[00:19] <Gallomimia> why's my gui filebrowser suddenly look like win95?
[00:22] <Gallomimia> what did i do? how can i undo it? it's not the worst in the world just feels icky
[00:22] <Gallomimia> like i'm drinking bill gates' urine
[00:24] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Did you change any themes or styles?
[00:24] <Gallomimia> don't think so. i checked on those...
[00:24] <Gallomimia> the rest of the system is still "normal"
[00:25] <YankDownUnder> What was changed or installed or re-configured since it was last the way you wanted it?
[00:26] <Gallomimia> haven't really done anything to the system. aside from add a monitor whose absence was causing problems, windows appearing on the wrong screen
[00:26] <Gallomimia> the absent screen. also, the Main Menu has abherrant behavior: it won't open.
[00:27] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Fair enough...have you gone back into the monitors/displays and made sure that all of that was correct - and rebooted afterwards to make sure it was kept right?
[00:27] <Gallomimia> yes
[00:27] <Gallomimia> several times in fact
[00:27] <Gallomimia> what's the name of the file browser?
[00:27] <Gallomimia> cujo?
[00:27] <YankDownUnder> Something you can do is to open a terminal - and type: killall -9 mate-panel
[00:28] <YankDownUnder> Caja
[00:28] <Gallomimia> right
[00:28] <Gallomimia> i was adding that to my panel as a hot-launch icon when i noticed the trouble
[00:28] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: In most instances, that will kill and re-load the "main" panel...
[00:28] <Gallomimia> thought i'd changed the default browser to something else
[00:28] <Gallomimia> killall
[00:28] <Gallomimia> doh.
[00:29] <Gallomimia> the problem with the main menu persists.
[00:29] <YankDownUnder> It's meant to...
[00:30] <Gallomimia> ah. i've discovered what's going on
[00:30] <Gallomimia> i've got my 27" monitor in portrait mode, and so, my desktop is rather huge and L shaped
[00:30] <Gallomimia> the menu is popping up in empty space!
[00:30] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Ah...well, funny that.
[00:30] <Gallomimia> changing the layout fixes the problem.
[00:31] <YankDownUnder> :)
[00:31] <Gallomimia> but this layout is dreadful!
[00:31] <Gallomimia> where's the bug report forum >:(
[00:31] <YankDownUnder> It's easy enough to muck with - to change around...experimentation...and as well, you can play around with different themes (GTK2/GTK3) to make things less, er, "Windows" like...
[00:32] <YankDownUnder> https://ubuntu-mate.community/ => you can find where to do bug-filing there, mate.
[00:32] <Gallomimia> still no idea why the caja browser suddenly took on the win95 theme
[00:32] <Gallomimia> it's the only program that looks that way.
[00:32] <Gallomimia> and it never used to...
[00:33] <Gallomimia> i changed themes and no luck
[00:33] <YankDownUnder> It's something freaking out the basic theme - could be the display settings that screwed it up...
[00:33] <Gallomimia> hm.
[00:33] <YankDownUnder> You can always "blow out" the configurations and "caches" to see if that helps...
[00:34] <Gallomimia> i'll admit, this portrait view is going to take some getting used to
[00:34] <Gallomimia> um. where might that be?
[00:34] <YankDownUnder> In a terminal, you can look in the ~/.config and ~/.cache directories - and figure out what to rename or delete => they'll be re-created on logout/login...
[00:36] <Gallomimia> i don't think this system likes logout :O
[00:37] <Gallomimia> most of the themes seem to have nuked themselves back to default
[00:38] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Kinda been through this before - what I ended up doing was exactly what I described...I logged out and did it from the console (CTRL-ALT-F1) - then restarted the DM and logged in - recreated all my stuff, and was happy after that...hmm...
[00:38] <Gallomimia> ah. that's better. danka
[00:38] <Gallomimia> caja looks normal again
[00:38] <Gallomimia> i nuked its entire dir in .config
[00:41] <Gallomimia> now for that menu bug. it's reproducible 100%
[00:43] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Yep...been there done that. Ja ja ja ja...I did the same to all the caches and configurations for the menu and mate-panel...seemed to fix it...(well, since last using it...using something else right now) :)
[00:43] <Gallomimia> no, this seems to be entirely related to the screen layout
[00:44] <Gallomimia> the height of my main monitor is less than half of the height of my 2nd
[00:45] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: You're going to have to sort that out - truly - and you're absolutely sure you've configured everything correctly for your display/monitor settings? Because I have several monitors and it did take me a bit, but once I figured out the "layout", I was able to properly setup the correct resolutions (two different resolutions) - oh, and I had to drag the "menu bar" from the one display to the next to set it as my
[00:45] <YankDownUnder> primary...hmm...
[00:46] <Gallomimia> the menu shows when i change the layout to have the tops of both monitors aligned
[00:46] <Gallomimia> but in RL the bottoms of the monitors are aligned
[00:46] <Gallomimia> some routine makes it show above the top of my screen, in a non-visible area
[00:47] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: And have you looked through the wiki about different display issues?
[00:47] <Gallomimia> if i change the layout to have the landscape screen in the middle of the portrait one's edge, things work fine also
[00:47] <Gallomimia> that i'm going to have to locate
[00:47] <YankDownUnder> Hang on...
[00:48] <YankDownUnder> Couple of different options for "chatting" or "reading up on" things: https://ubuntu-mate.org/community/
[00:49] <YankDownUnder> Meanwhile, have a read through some things - it's Monday here, and I'm going to get out of the house and get some lunch, mate....
[00:49] <Gallomimia> cheers
[00:49] <Gallomimia> i'll give a read. but maybe i should get back to what i was doing
[00:50] <YankDownUnder> Gallomimia: Coolbeans...see ya on the flipside
[02:00] <Guest6709> Has anyone gotten Repetier Host working on the RPi 3?
[11:39] <arun_> is there any video driver for Dell laptops ? The scrolling smoothness is pathetic on my newly installed ubuntu mate
[11:40] <ouroumov> arun_, dell is not a GPU maker as far as I know
[11:40] <ouroumov> Please check what graphics you have using the command: inxi -G
[11:41] <arun_> Graphics:  Card: Intel Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics
[11:41] <arun_>            Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
[11:41] <arun_>            Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
[11:41] <arun_>            GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Broadwell GT1
[11:41] <arun_>            GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
[11:41] <arun_> thats what i'm getting
[11:41] <ouroumov> So it's Interl integrated graphics. Usually not an issue and drivers are stock installed. Check under "Software & Updates" -> Additional Driver if you've got Inter Microcode in use
[11:42] <arun_> OK
[11:43] <ouroumov> Also your choice of window manager can impact your experience, use MATE Tweak to test it
[14:19] <DarkPsydeLord> hello!
[14:24] <swift110> hey all
[14:56] <lenovo> hi
[14:56] <lenovo> sus
[15:28] <yosuga> hi
[15:47] <swift110> how are you
[16:06] <Codfection> why my plank is not running automatically after restartin
[16:15] <bekks> plank?
[16:18] <Akuli> is it the dock thing?
[16:19] <DarkPsydeLord> well planks are forms of dead trees you cant make em you cant really restart em and turn em into living plants again :( its a shame
[16:23] <DarkPsydeLord> but for the docking thingy did you added it to the startup apps?
[17:28] <veter900> привет
[17:34] <veter900> how to install Navigator wound or seven roads on rasberry PI 3 for Ubuntu mate and how to install cards,especially cards that give the video to see how to do it I'm not a Profesional,let the installation video cards
[17:53] <veter900> как на навит установить карты видео есть или тут бесполезно писать??
[18:12] <mate|90409> Hi, I'm still having the issue with synapse, crashing when I try to type something.
[18:12] <mate|90409> I'm using the comment GTK_IM_MODULE='' 'synapse'
[18:13] <mate|90409> in a terminal window after every reboot
[18:13] <Akuli> what is synapse?
[18:14] <mate|90409> Sorry I'm not sure what do you mean?
[18:15] <Akuli> what is it supposed to do?
[18:15] <Akuli> is it a photo viewer? software manager? what is it?
[18:17] <mate|90409> Synapse is a graphical launcher enabling you to start applications and also to quickly find and access relevant documents and files (by making use of the zeitgeist engine).
[18:17] <mate|90409> Synapse is a graphical launcher enabling you to start applications and also to quickly find and access relevant documents and files (by making use of the zeitgeist engine).
[18:17] <mate|90409> Synapse is a graphical launcher enabling you to start applications and also to quickly find and access relevant documents and files (by making use of the zeitgeist engine).
[18:17] <mate|90409> Synapse is a graphical launcher enabling you to start applications and also to quickly find and access relevant documents and files (by making use of the zeitgeist engine).
[18:17] <mate|90409> Synapse is a graphical launcher enabling you to start applications and also to quickly find and access relevant documents and files (by making use of the zeitgeist engine).
[18:17] <mate|90409> sorry
[18:18] <mate|90409> its one of the pre-installed applications on Ubuntu-mate
[18:18] <DarkPsydeLord> wow spam!
[18:18] <mate|90409> Sorry :D
[18:19] <mate|90409> https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/synapse
[18:19] <mate|90409> Not spam I promise :D
[18:22] <Akuli> i wonder why it's not in my repositories
[18:22] <Akuli> anyway, just go to startup applications in whatever menu you use and add it there :)
[18:26] <mate|90409> This would resolve the issue. I can open the program that bit is fine, the problem that it crashes when I try to type anything into it
[18:27] <mate|90409> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/synapse-crashes-in-16-04/5348/6
[18:27] <mate|90409> This might give you some more info of the issue
[18:28] <mate|90409> I have seen few people posting about the issue but couldn't find a fix :/
[18:29] <Akuli> i have no idea why it segfaults
[18:30] <Akuli> if run it from the terminal with GTK_IM_MODULE="" synapse, does it still segfault?
[18:32] <mate|90409> I have been using this workaround for weeks now but I have to do this in a terminal window after every reboot its not really a fix
[18:33] <mate|90409> I was expecting a fix for the bug as its affecting many users
[18:33] <mate|90409> and the application is unusable
[18:39] <Akuli> on the ubuntu mate bug report there was a fix for your .desktop file that launches the program
[18:39] <mate|90409> what is the fix? is it just an update fix?
[18:40] <mate|90409> can I have the link?
[18:40] <Akuli> in this https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/synapse-crashes-in-16-04/5348/8
[18:40] <Akuli> the third last comment, by scarciuz
[19:57] <gordonjcp> evening
[19:57] <gordonjcp> I'm running Ubuntu MATE 16.04
[19:58] <gordonjcp> when I do CTRL-ALT-F1, F2, F3 and so on, I don't get a terminal window up
[19:58] <monery> same gordonjcp, I am running it on an armv8
[19:58] <gordonjcp> well, this is on plain ordinary intel
[19:59] <gordonjcp> is this specific to MATE or is it upstream in ordinary Ubuntu?
[20:01] <alkisg> gordonjcp: which graphics driver? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
[20:01] <gordonjcp> alkisg: intel
[20:01] <alkisg> monery: ctrl+alt+fX work fine here on a raspberry pi 2 / mate
[20:02] <gordonjcp> iirc it's an intel 4 series chipset
[20:02] <alkisg> gordonjcp: it should work fine with mate. Did you disable it with no vt switch somewhere in xorg.conf?
[20:02] <alkisg> You can run that command and see which drivers are loaded
[20:02] <gordonjcp> alkisg: it's a fairly fresh install
[20:02] <gordonjcp> alkisg: with nothing particularly strange done to it
[20:02] <gordonjcp> I could run the command if I could open a console
[20:03] <gordonjcp> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e12] (rev 03) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [103c:3646] Kernel driver in use: i915
[20:03] <alkisg> Inside vt7, in a normal graphical terminal
[20:03] <gordonjcp> alkisg: that had locked up
[20:03] <alkisg> Ah
[20:03] <gordonjcp> I've just rebooted it, same weirdass behaviour
[20:03] <gordonjcp> although now the desktop works
[20:03] <alkisg> If it locked, then that may be the reason it wouldn't switch
[20:03] <gordonjcp> nope, it still won't switch and it never has
[20:04] <alkisg> gordonjcp: can you try: sudo chvt 1
[20:05] <alkisg> Then login, and try sudo chvt 7 to come back
[20:05] <gordonjcp> nope
[20:05] <gordonjcp> same problem
[20:06] <alkisg> Any errors in dmesg or in xorg.log when you are trying to switch?
[20:06] <gordonjcp> it'll switch to a black screen, no way to type a command in, alt-F7 brings the desktop back
[20:06] <gordonjcp> no errors in dmesg that pertain to the display, nothing exciting in Xorg.0.log
[20:08] <gordonjcp> alkisg: aha, a clue
[20:09] <gordonjcp> alkisg: it works if I reboot (not restart X, actually reboot) with the second monitor disconnected
[20:09] <gordonjcp> alkisg: great, looks like I get to dig out my Intel chipset datasheets and go bughunting
[20:09] <alkisg> gordonjcp: the sna intel driver isn't very actively developed, and in 16.10 ubuntu will switch to the older one
[20:10] <alkisg> I think you can force it now with specifying UXA for the acceleration
[20:10] <alkisg> So, maybe a minimal xorg.conf will help
[20:10] <gordonjcp> alkisg: good point, I've got some old HP desktops that require UXA
[20:10] <alkisg> It shouldn't be related to mate at all though, just to the intel driver
[20:10] <gordonjcp> I wonder if this slightly newer one needs it - it doesn't have the stripey crap bug that older chipsets have with SNA
[21:00] <gordonjcp> alkisg: yup, plug the analogue VGA monitor in, and although I can switch to other VTs none of them are running getty
[21:19] <nomic> z.z.z.
[22:39] <mateGrant> yo
[22:54] <mateGrant> Anyone have issue with using multi-monitors with the new amdgpu pro drivers?
[23:49] <Gallomimia> have they come around? that sounds wonderful
[23:49] <Gallomimia> i changed to nvidia due to lack of drivers myself
[23:50] <Gallomimia> i'm looking at a graphical grub with the ubuntu-mate logo. it freezes. the graphical grub does not play nice at all with my system. willing to give bug reports on the issue if needed, but for now I just want to disable the graphics. how is this possible?
[23:51] <Gallomimia> er, pertinent info: it stops on the unlock full-disk encryption part
[23:52] <Gallomimia> freezes and doesn't work the first boot. ctrl-alt-del restarts, 2nd time thru it fails to display the unlock screen but at least captures the passphrase and unlocks, letting me boot. supremely annoying. how can i disable graphical grub?