[00:59] <cmaloney> We'll get started soon
[00:59] <cmaloney> Anyone here?
[01:03] <gamerchick02_> i am but i'm watching Lewis
[01:03] <cmaloney> Lewis?
[01:04] <gamerchick02_> Inspector Lewis on Masterpiece Mystery
[01:04] <gamerchick02_> its the final season
[01:04] <cmaloney> Ah
[01:04] <gamerchick02_> or series
[01:05] <gamerchick02_> i'm a HUGE Kevin Whately fan and a HUGE Robbie/Laura shipper.
[01:05] <gamerchick02_> ahem
[01:20] <cmaloney> Watching the THelonious Monk documentary
[01:21] <cmaloney> https://www.amazon.com/Thelonious-Monk-Straight-No-Chaser/dp/B000053VC9
[01:22] <gamerchick02_> nice!
[01:25] <jrwren> totally distracted by olympics
[01:26] <gamerchick02_> that's ok i'm distracted by Lewis
[02:02] <cscheib> cmaloney: interesting.  that wasn't the case 6 months ago when I looked
[02:02] <cscheib> but that may have been the AT&T MVNOs
[05:02] <Scary_Guy> I was distracted by sleep, not that I'd really have anything to say anyway
[05:10] <Scary_Guy> jrwren, would something like http://openbts.org work?
[05:11] <Scary_Guy> just set up your own personal tower, fuck'em
[05:12] <Scary_Guy> also if you plan on traveling I'd look into a dual-sim phone
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[12:11] <cmaloney> morning
[13:48] <Scary_Guy> hi
[13:50] <_stink_> yo
[13:51] <cmaloney> morning pt 2
[13:52] <_stink_> heh
[13:53] <Scary_Guy> I haven't really thought about it, we have an afternoon, why no forenoon or preenoon?
[13:54] <cmaloney> Because we probably did away with those terms
[13:54] <cmaloney> Much in the same way we dealth with half-pennies
[13:55] <Scary_Guy> well afternoon seems just as valid.  also pennies seem just as useless now, let's get rid of those too
[13:55] <cmaloney> And furlongs
[13:55] <cmaloney> Death to furlongs
[13:56] <Scary_Guy> death to the imperial system in general
[13:58] <Scary_Guy> also every other date format than YYYY-MM-DD, and 12 hour time
[13:58] <cmaloney> ++
[13:58] <Scary_Guy> and the Gregorian calander
[13:59] <Scary_Guy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
[14:03] <jrwren> all time should be based on seconds since unix epoch
[14:06] <Scary_Guy> no, screw that, and year zero too.  all time should be based on the human era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar
[14:08] <jrwren> unix epoch is the start of the human era that matters. :p
[14:12] <cmaloney> jrwren: Totes
[14:13] <cmaloney> That calendar reminds me of that naff idea that Swatch had for Internet beats
[14:14] <cmaloney> 634 beats
[14:15] <cmaloney> https://www.swatch.com/en_us/internet-time/
[14:15] <Scary_Guy> was just reading the wiki on it
[14:17] <Scary_Guy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time is a thing too
[14:17] <Scary_Guy> although I kind of like the idea of being able to use an 8 hour or 6 hour clock as well.
[14:20] <Scary_Guy> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37005226
[14:20] <cmaloney> That's old news, sadly
[14:20] <cmaloney> Although yay, it affects my handset.
[14:20] <Scary_Guy> mine too
[14:21] <Scary_Guy> also funny the blackphone 1 and 2 are on there
[14:32] <Scary_Guy> I need to just break down and get a Nexus
[14:32] <Scary_Guy> Then I can run this: https://copperhead.co/android/
[14:33] <jrwren> then you can get rooted in that quadrooter thing.
[14:33] <Scary_Guy> wat?
[14:33] <jrwren> i was j/k.
[14:34] <jrwren> the quadrooter thing came from defcon this weekend. qualcomm drivers are super vulnerable.
[14:34] <jrwren> nexus uses qualcomm chip, so its vulnerable.
[14:34] <Scary_Guy> goddamnit
[14:35] <jrwren> http://thehackernews.com/2016/08/hack-android-phone.html
[14:36] <Scary_Guy> oh, that was in the link I posted
[14:37] <jrwren> yeah, lol
[14:37] <Scary_Guy> what I get for skimming it
[14:38] <Scary_Guy> but I could still get an OG Nexus 5, I don't see that listed
[14:38] <jrwren> copperhead os looks like what apple ios does by default.
[14:38]  * jrwren ducks
[14:39] <Scary_Guy> but iOS isn't open source
[14:39] <cmaloney> jrwren: DOn't make me shun you. ;)
[14:40] <jrwren> I already ducked all these comments :]
[14:40]  * cmaloney directs the heat of a thousand shuns at jrwren
[14:44] <Scary_Guy> If I wanted an apple like device I'd at least get one with style https://www.turingphone.com/
[14:44] <Scary_Guy> (if it ever actually releases that is)
[14:50] <jrwren> i'm all locked into apple ecosystem now. i wish it were all open source, but its not, and its too convenient for me to care :[
[14:50] <rick_h_> for me is wasn't the open source, but my inability to use a better device with my other stuff
[14:51] <rick_h_> "this roku is awesome...oh wait I can't get at any of my apple purchases, or get my roku purchaes on my apple..."
[14:52] <jrwren> i don't purchase media other than CDs, so that hasn't been an issue for me ;]
[14:52] <jrwren> not trying to suggest your case isn't valid. I'm highlightning how diff our experiences are ;]
[14:52] <rick_h_> custom built customer
[14:52] <rick_h_> yea, understand
[14:53] <rick_h_> but you've never wanted to bring anything non-apple into your tech mix and been frustrated?
[14:53] <Scary_Guy> I have a great story, so I took photos on an old boss's iPhone to sell crap on craigslist.  then I try to transfer them to a PC
[14:54] <jrwren> hrm, yes now that you mention it.
[14:54] <jrwren> I hate that airplay is closed.
[14:54] <jrwren> the first airplay video was wide open protocol. TRIVIAL to implement
[14:54] <Scary_Guy> he said I needed to use some program called "ifunbox" to transfer them
[14:54] <Scary_Guy> I need nothing with an android
[14:54] <jrwren> then the airplay mirror came out with new protocol and it all went closed.
[14:54] <jrwren> yes, it angers me greatly.
[14:55] <jrwren> android and chrome are just as bad in this regarud.
[14:55] <Scary_Guy> that's why I use firefox
[14:55] <jrwren> Scary_Guy: that is not true at all. an iphone's camera shows up as any USB camera to a windows PC.
[14:55] <jrwren> what does firefox do?
[14:55] <Scary_Guy> well I don't know why his system didn't see it then
[14:55] <Scary_Guy> this was years ago
[14:56] <Scary_Guy> firefox isn't chrome, that's all it needs to do
[14:56] <jrwren> ah, yes, firefox is my favorite browser too. ;]
[14:59] <Scary_Guy> to me, apple is like TPM gone wrong.  It locks the user down instead of everyone else
[15:01] <jrwren> its true.
[15:02] <jrwren> the flip side to that is also true IMO. As long as you play in the confines, the experience is very good.
[15:02] <Scary_Guy> what is worse is that the users are so smug about it.  they aren't selling a device, they're selling a status symbol
[15:03] <jrwren> ha! that is sad but true.
[15:03] <jrwren> for me, its just a tool which works well.
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> can't sideload apps, can't get root, can't load your own OS.  I mean some android devices suffer from those issues as well
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> well, many
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> if that's all you need it for then great
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> but I also don't see the point in paying $700 for a device that shatters on impact with a feather either
[15:04] <jrwren> that has not been my experience.
[15:05] <Scary_Guy> worked in a phone store, most of the screens that needed repair were iPhone
[15:05] <jrwren> what models?
[15:05] <jrwren> i've never broke an iphone and I mostly did not use a case.
[15:05] <Scary_Guy> I don't know, I never touched them, but some people are more careful than others
[15:05] <jrwren> 3gs and 4s were solid. SE seems solid
[15:06] <jrwren> i could see 6 being fragile
[15:06] <jrwren> I did put a nice gauge in my SE recently.
[15:06] <Scary_Guy> the first 6+'s bent, that was funny
[15:06] <Scary_Guy> also was it the 5 which had both front and back glass?  yeah that was great
[15:07] <Scary_Guy> anyway boss knew I loved android and hated apple, so he worked on those and I just focused on android
[15:08] <jrwren> 4 and 4s did too.
[15:08] <jrwren> i have a 4 with cracked back glass.
[15:08] <Scary_Guy> I did jailbreak a couple iphones, and loaded pineapple on a 3
[15:08] <jrwren> one of the things that bum me out with all these old iphones is... there is nothing 3rd party you can do with them.
[15:08] <jrwren> its a damn shame you can't repurpose an old iphone 4 for something.
[15:09] <Scary_Guy> sorry, not pineapple, iDroid
[15:09] <Scary_Guy> http://lifehacker.com/5693309/how-to-install-android-on-an-iphone-in-six-easy-steps
[15:10] <jrwren> i'm pretty sure that does not work anymore.
[15:10] <Scary_Guy> no, it doesn't
[15:10] <Scary_Guy> but at the time I thought it was funny
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> also your device is older so it MIGHT work on it
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> otherwise it makes a neat wifi camera
[15:11] <jrwren> if you keep up with OS updates, those often include firmware patches which prevent the jailbreak.
[15:11] <jrwren> yup, was trying to find decent wifi camera software, none found.
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> wow, that sucks
[15:13] <jrwren> its ok. i can write my own.
[15:14] <Scary_Guy> but can you then sideload it on there? :P
[15:15] <jrwren> yes.
[15:15] <Scary_Guy> well at least that's something then
[15:15] <jrwren> dev cert is good for a while.
[15:15] <jrwren> at least you can make a dev cert without being a $99/yr member now.
[15:15] <Scary_Guy> oh good, I was worried about that too
[15:16] <jrwren> yeah, they changed that last year. A very welcome change.