[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:50] <acheronuk> Morning :D
[08:00] <yofel> clivejo, acheronuk: both patching qtchoose or backporting qt4-x11 should do the job, as the change is mostly just internal. So either way is fine
[08:02] <acheronuk> yofel: well, due to a slight miscommunication yesterday, Mirν's qt4-x11 already got copied across, and looks like LP built all of plasma ok.
[08:03] <acheronuk> yet to test it in any Xenial VM or machine yet though...
[08:03] <yofel> qt4 would only affect the couply remaining qt4 apps, so there's rather little regression potential here
[08:04] <yofel> *couple
[08:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: I would guess also need to re-upload pyqt5 5.5.1 for a no change rebuild against Qt 5.6 as before
[08:17] <acheronuk> as was done here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=pyqt5&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=xenial
[12:26] <acheronuk> clivejo et al: plasma staging upgrade on xenial looks about as expected without pyqt5 rebuild http://paste.ubuntu.com/22797149/ 
[12:34] <acheronuk> plasma-discover : Depends: packagekit (>= 1.0)
[12:35] <acheronuk> not going to be satisfiable in xenial ^^^^ so not sure on that one
[12:41] <clivejo> I uploaded pyqt5, has it not publsihed yet?
[12:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: I hadn't looked. presumably not
[12:42]  * clivejo rolls eyes
[12:43] <acheronuk> ummm. it needs a no change rebuild of pyqt5 5.5, not a v5.6
[12:44] <acheronuk> we had that before I think, as 5.6 needs too new python-sip
[12:48] <clivejo> ah yes
[12:48] <clivejo> and it wouldnt let me upload a lower version last time too
[12:48]  * clivejo hates LP
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:50] <clivejo> Timeout error
[12:50] <clivejo> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[12:53]  * clivejo wonders if we should move it to landing
[12:53] <clivejo> and upload pyqt 5.5 to there
 0/ Hello
[12:54] <clivejo> Hi Rick
[12:54] <clivejo> thats a very big head you got today
 O.o
[12:55] <clivejo> o/ compared to 0/
 Ah I see
 It's not that my head is big, its that my arms are short
[12:56] <clivejo> LOL
[13:05] <acheronuk> clivejo: it did let me upload it last time. just needed to give it long enough for the launchpad janitor to remove properly the old higher version
[13:06] <acheronuk> probably need to wait ~ 1hr after deletion
[13:21] <yofel> the question about discover is really "do we want to be compatible with ubuntu desktop" - which is not something I personally care about at least
[13:21] <yofel> because if we don't care about that, we could try backporting packagekit
[13:22] <yofel> otherwise it means xenial is stuck with discover 5.6
[13:24] <BluesKaj> muon still works ..prefer that anyway, it shows all packages in a search whereas discover omits quite a few ..that's been my experience
[13:32] <acheronuk> I'm not keen on software centres in the first place, and to be blunt discover is damn poor effort on one compared to the already not very great competition.
 /me has internet finally
[14:58] <tsimonq2> o/
[14:58] <tsimonq2> how are you all today?
[15:06]  * genii makes another pot of coffee and passes the mugs around
[15:07] <tsimonq2> \o/
[15:07]  * yofel sips
[15:08] <yofel> thanks
[15:09] <tsimonq2> ditto
[16:20] <clivejo> when did the Kubuntu installer get so greedy?
[16:20] <tsimonq2> when it started providing a graphical way to install things
[16:20]  * tsimonq2 runs
[16:22] <clivejo> wont run in 1GB of RAM
[16:22] <acheronuk> wow. for a fairly small source package, pyqt5 takes ages to build!
[16:23] <clivejo> LP on go slow mode?
[16:24] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. just looked at the previous builds of it, and seems they took 30-40 mins as well
[16:25] <clivejo> ha, you are right
[16:25] <clivejo> 8GB Hard disk isnt big enough for it!
[16:25] <genii> That means I won't be able to install it anymore on my Acer D260
[16:25] <genii> ( if it needs more than a gig )
[16:26] <clivejo> gave it 15Gb of HDD and installing now
[16:26] <clivejo> Thats mental
[16:29] <acheronuk> The virtualbox defaults are useless for kubuntu it seems
[16:30] <tsimonq2> ...which is why I use virt-manager :P
[16:30] <clivejo> you do everything different!
[16:31] <clivejo> I really dont have the resources to do testing on Xenial :(
[16:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: because at one point I did use graphical software updaters/installers, VirtualBox, and even pbuilder, but the solutions I use now work a LOT better and are 10x more flexible
[16:32] <clivejo> tsimonq2: what are you doing later?
[16:33] <clivejo> like 2hours?
[16:33] <tsimonq2> well I was just about to go make myself some food, so unless dad or dad's GF wants to do something, I'll be around to do whatever
[16:34] <clivejo> Im hoping to get together with acheronuk and backport apps
[16:35] <clivejo> fancy sitting in?
[16:35] <tsimonq2> oh shoot, I have to return a book to my former school (I'm going from middle to high school and it's an $80 fee if I don't return it by Aug 22)
[16:35] <tsimonq2> but it's not too far
[16:36] <clivejo> we'll probably go on BBB as its lot easier to communicate on there
[16:36] <clivejo> even though it does feel a bit odd talking to myself
 Router reboot :(
 But yeah I'm in
[16:37] <clivejo> and reading the replies on a terminal
 I hate this route
[16:40] <acheronuk> ok. back later
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Nbu1VFYG/file_90.jpg
[16:48] <tsimonq2> I need a wireless card baaaaaaaaaad
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9YJsYuEC/file_92.jpg
 I don't think this is mini PCIe... :/
[16:59] <mparillo> clivejo: The YY installer quits / crashes and burns if you only have 1GB of RAM? I used to get warnings, but now it cannot run?
[17:06] <blaze> oh my
[17:51] <clivejo> mparillo: I dont know, Im trying to install 16.04.1
[18:23]  * clivejo waits while plasma 5.7.2 downloads
[18:23] <clivejo> exit
 I think simon was talking about it
 Yofel knows the most I think clivejo
[18:28] <yofel> about what?
 The installer slideshow
[18:28] <clivejo> slideshow in the installer
 I know its Python issue
[18:29] <mparillo> Thanks clivejo. I do know I did install 16.04 on a 1GB netbook, but I got plenty of warnings about my filesystem (stored in RAM) being almost full. Maybe 16.04.1 just went over the edge.
[18:29] <yofel> pyqt4 in yakkety has no qtwebkit, so our slideshow cannot work. Needs to be replaced by something that doesn't need webkit, or the UI ported to qt5
 We could use what soee was working on for after it is installed
 Or look at what the other flavors are doing
[18:30] <yofel> yes, but we still need to show *something* while it's installing - even if just a static image
 Could we load qml in it?
 You could make a slideshow with it
 Someone did it at akadamy
[18:31] <yofel> maybe, this is qt4 remember, so I think you'll just have qtquick 1.0
 Its in qt4?
[18:32] <yofel> it's pyqt4
 Mm
[18:32] <yofel> that's the whole problem :P
 We need to do something quick as the freeze is coming fast
 Then fix next release
[18:33] <clivejo> ok well, I just upgrades a clean 16.04.1 install to Plasma 5.7.2 with no issues
 Where is our installer? In ubiquity?
 \o/ clivejo
[18:34] <clivejo> I think this could go to landing for testing
[18:35] <acheronuk> clivejo: qtcurve needs a rebuild (kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-5-1)
[18:35] <yofel> ubiquity is the installer, the kde UI is inside the same repository. If we split that out I might even take a look at it
[18:35] <yofel> if you put it in landing I'll try to get the transition list sorted for qt and plasma
 Split from ubiquity?
[18:36] <yofel> yes, because I refuse to do large changes to code under canonical CLA
[18:36] <clivejo> qtcurve mustnt be installed by default?
 Since you lose access to it or something?
[18:37] <clivejo> acheronuk: might uploading that to staging-plasma PPA?
[18:37] <acheronuk> clivejo: kde-spectacle : Depends: libkf5screen6 (>= 5.1.1) but it is not going to be installed. as we now have libkf5screen7
[18:37] <acheronuk> but new apps will sort that?
[18:37] <clivejo> yes
[18:37] <clivejo> thats why I want to get apps done tonight
[18:37] <yofel> since they can theoretically make it proprietary without my consent. If they want me to attribute code under such conditions they'll have to pay me
[18:38] <acheronuk> clivejo: we uploaded a qtcurve rebuild on the last backport try I think? so yes, can repeat
[18:38] <clivejo> acheronuk: thanks
[18:39] <acheronuk> ditto obviously with the language packs
 yofel I'll look at it when I get home
[18:40] <clivejo> acheronuk tsimonq2: want to make a start on apps?
[18:40] <acheronuk> clivejo: whenever you like
[18:40] <tsimonq2> clivejo: pizza is almost done, gimme 10 mins
[18:41] <clivejo> acheronuk: Ill hop on BBB and we can get setup?
[18:41]  * yofel off for the evening
[18:42] <acheronuk> clivejo: I'm there
[18:42] <clivejo> someones keen :)
[18:43] <acheronuk> want to see if the 'browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash' for Firefox does anything to help with the sound issues
[18:45] <BluesKaj-pi> ok some websites are suggeesting to download the latest adobe flash 
[18:47] <BluesKaj-pi> yet those sites are usually the most guilty of not upgrading their flash versions
[19:01] <blaze>  wasn't flash development dropped by adobe? 
 It was
 Still being used
[19:38]  * soee wrr...
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/DFNO5vbU/file_96.jpg
[19:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ^
 Webcam?
[19:56] <clivejo> ahoneybun we on BBB
 Oh ok
[19:59] <genii> I'm finding it hard to mentally make BBB mean Big Blue Button when all the rest of my life before that it always meant Better Business Bureau 
[20:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: https://github.com/jimeh/git-aware-prompt
[22:27]  * acheronuk now has git aware prompt :D
 That's pretty cool
 I'll get it when I get home
[22:35] <clivejo> BBB hangout sessions are cool, get to learn how other people do stuff!
[22:36] <acheronuk> That was very good. :D
[22:36] <clivejo> I was getting tired that last hour
[22:37] <acheronuk> I also now know that the audio in BBB with that pepper flash plugin wrapper works ok, so can screen share and hear in FF
[22:37] <acheronuk> no messing about with 2 browsers
[22:38] <clivejo> must look into downloading the lastest FF
[22:38] <acheronuk> I'm tired now, so won't be on here much longer tonight
[22:39] <clivejo> I was hoping those would have published before I came back
[22:39] <acheronuk> if just ECM would, could push some things on
[22:41] <clivejo> still, I think we covered a good amount this evening
[22:42] <clivejo> well worth it
[22:42] <acheronuk> that git prompt is great. so many times I've stopped before committing/pushing and wondered if I really did all that in the right branch
[22:42] <acheronuk> but now a glance tells me
[22:43] <acheronuk> yes, and it helps going through it with other people like that.
[22:46] <clivejo> oooooo
[22:46] <clivejo> just installed it#
[22:46] <clivejo> thats pretty
[22:48] <acheronuk> there are some seriously styled prompt scripts (think ovidiu has one?), but that git one is practical
 He has the fish one or something
[23:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yeah, I saw that on a screen share at some point
[23:10] <tsimonq2> :D acheronuk 
[23:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: I swear, after installing it, I would go nuts without it
[23:17] <tsimonq2> yofel: since Wily is EOL, I would suggest removing the Wily packages from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports to save space
[23:21] <ahoneybun> mm does not work for me
[23:21] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: what doesn't?
[23:21] <ahoneybun> that git thing
[23:21] <ahoneybun> did all the steps
[23:21] <tsimonq2> what isn't working?
[23:21] <clivejo> follow the instructions?
[23:21] <tsimonq2> did you close your terminal and open a new one?
[23:21] <ahoneybun> the change
[23:21] <ahoneybun> nope
[23:21] <tsimonq2> you need to do that ahoneybun 
[23:22] <ahoneybun> still nothing
[23:22] <clivejo> or refresh bash
[23:22] <clivejo> source ~/.bashrc
[23:22] <tsimonq2> oh I know
[23:22] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: are you in a git repo?
[23:22] <ahoneybun> yep
[23:22] <ahoneybun> athoneycutt@athoneycutt-A75MH:~/Projects/kubuntu-manual$ 
[23:23] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: could you run: cat ~/.bashrc | pastebinit
[23:24] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22859565/
[23:24] <ahoneybun> sweet tool
[23:25] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you should follow along on one of our BBB sessions
[23:25] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: where did you put the appropriate lines needed for this?
[23:25] <clivejo> lots to be learned
[23:25] <tsimonq2> +1 clivejo 
[23:25] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I was not home
[23:25] <tsimonq2> oh
[23:25] <ahoneybun> I was on the road to get home
[23:26] <ahoneybun> been gone since tues afternoon
[23:26] <ahoneybun> has no phone service over night
[23:26] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: in .bashrc
[23:26] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: yes
[23:26] <ahoneybun> at the top
[23:26] <ahoneybun> like it said
[23:26] <ahoneybun> cloned it in ~/.bash
[23:26] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: you lose
[23:27] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: you forgot the PS1 var
[23:27]  * ahoneybun does not care
[23:27] <ahoneybun> nope
[23:27] <tsimonq2> yeah you did
[23:28] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: add the following on line 3: export PS1="\${debian_chroot:+(\$debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\] \[$txtcyn\]\$git_branch\[$txtred\]\$git_dirty\[$txtrst\]\$ "
[23:28] <ahoneybun> yea I see it
[23:30] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: so?
[23:31] <ahoneybun> so?
[23:31] <ahoneybun> athoneycutt@athoneycutt-A75MH:~/Projects/kubuntu-manual (master)*$ 
[23:31] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:31] <tsimonq2> you did it!
[23:32] <tsimonq2> clivejo, ahoneybun, acheronuk: so, there's the branch, but the * means that it's dirty. It will also indicate when detached.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> really nice
[23:32] <clivejo> oh nice
[23:32] <clivejo> havent seen that on mine yet
[23:33] <acheronuk> :D
[23:33] <tsimonq2> been using this for a few months
[23:33] <tsimonq2> it's a godsend
[23:36] <ahoneybun> mm ImportError: No module named 'sphinx_bootstrap_theme'
[23:37] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: see your dependencies in the README
[23:37] <ahoneybun> I did
[23:37] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: the ones you stole from me :D
[23:37] <tsimonq2> ?
[23:37] <ahoneybun> Successfully installed setuptools-20.10.1 sphinx-bootstrap-theme
[23:37] <tsimonq2> :/ weird
[23:40] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.3_xenial.html :D
[23:42] <clivejo> we are out of space in the PPA
[23:42] <tsimonq2> D:
[23:42] <clivejo> and LP is taking forever to delete packages to make room
[23:42] <clivejo> its 0:42am so we are calling it a day!
[23:42] <tsimonq2> o/ clivejo 
[23:43] <clivejo> thanks to acheronuk and tsimonq2 for all your help tonight
[23:43] <ahoneybun> weird..,.
[23:43] <acheronuk> clivejo: no problem. it's been very helpful all round :)
[23:44] <tsimonq2> o/ clivejo 
[23:44] <acheronuk> thank you
[23:44] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no problem, thank *you* :)
[23:44] <clivejo> indeed, Ive got a new prompt 
[23:44] <tsimonq2> thanks to you too acheronuk :)
[23:45] <acheronuk> thanks all round then :P
[23:45] <clivejo> LOL
[23:45] <acheronuk> And with that, I think it's goodnight
[23:45] <tsimonq2> hehehehehe
[23:45] <tsimonq2> o/
[23:45] <acheronuk> I shall read back about the prompt features tomorrow
[23:46] <ahoneybun> so confuses
[23:46] <ahoneybun> *confused
[23:47] <ahoneybun> holy crap
[23:47] <ahoneybun> my pc is more then 5 years old?
[23:48] <clivejo> mine is 6!
[23:48] <ahoneybun> need an upgrade
[23:48] <ahoneybun> I want to use my laptop as my main machine
[23:48] <ahoneybun> since it is newer
[23:49] <tsimonq2> I have a niiiiiiiice system and it only cost $400 max
[23:49] <tsimonq2> (I got the case and the HDD free)
[23:57] <clivejo> tsimonq2: if you wanted something to do - https://www.digikam.org/node/756
[23:58] <clivejo> digikam 5.1.0 needs packaged