[00:37] <blackwater1> guys, I need your help. Upgraded to 16.04. Now compiz does this. http://i.imgur.com/rArjx99.png
[00:38] <ouroumov> What did you upgrade from?
[00:46] <blackwater1> 15.10
[00:46] <blackwater1> using the gui software update utlity
[00:47] <ouroumov> Maybe your config settings got screwed up, did you reinstall ccsm?
[00:48] <blackwater1> Unable to locate package ccsm
[00:48] <ouroumov> uh
[00:49] <blackwater1> i did apt-get install compiz-* after having issues just to be sure
[00:52] <blackwater1> is it possible to rollback this upgrade back to 15.10?
[00:52] <ouroumov> I don't know, I don't think so
[00:52] <ouroumov> May I ask why you're using compiz?
[00:53] <blackwater1> what else would I use?
[00:53] <blackwater1> there's marco but it's very basic
[00:53] <blackwater1> oh
[00:54] <blackwater1> nvm
[00:54] <blackwater1> yes compiz and marco
[00:54] <blackwater1> what else?
[00:54] <ouroumov> Marco + Compton is a good option if you only care about screen tearing
[00:54] <ouroumov> During video playback
[00:55] <ouroumov> It's lighter and less buggy than compiz
[01:04] <blackwater1> i could just be a newbie, but marco doesnt give me much options for window managment
[01:04] <blackwater1> window snapping, sizing, etc
[01:05] <blackwater1> no vertical workspaces either unless im wrong
[01:06] <ouroumov> You can set up those things using classic tools, the workspace switcher applet let you pick the layout, snapping can be enabled via MATE Tweak
[01:08] <ouroumov> Also, my guess is your issue was triggered by something during the upgrade, maybe you should consider a clean reinstall of 16.04?
[01:23] <aee> Hello all
[01:23] <aee> Need some help
[01:23] <aee> I recently migrated from Ubuntu 14.04 to Ubuntu-Mate 16.04 and I'm having problems when playing video files (not audio. The audio of the Video file always works fine). I didn't have this problem with 14.04.
[01:23] <aee> I'm using VLC player (although I tried using another video player and got the same problem) and when the window size is small the video plays fine without problems, but when i resize the window, reproduction gets slower. When the window uses all the screen or when the window exceeds certain size, video freezes.
[01:23] <ouroumov> reproduction?
[01:24] <aee> yes
[01:25] <aee> video playing
[01:25] <aee> i speak spanish
[01:25] <ouroumov> I take it you don't think this is a hardware limitation?
[01:26] <aee> as i said: it worked fine in 14.04
[01:26] <aee> whith mate desktop
[01:27] <aee> my hardware is limited, but it worked fine before
[01:27] <ouroumov> What window manager are using under MATE Tweak -> Windows -> Window Manager?
[01:27] <aee> marco
[01:28] <ouroumov> Try Marco+Compton
[01:28] <aee> software composition
[01:29] <aee> it didnt get better
[01:29] <aee> it get worse
[01:30] <ouroumov> Can you go to welcome -> Getting started and hit the two buttons in the "driver and firmware" steps then reboot?
[01:31] <ouroumov> Also
[01:31] <ouroumov> You don't happen to have an AMD GPU by any chance?
[01:31] <aee> integrated video
[01:31] <aee> onboard
[01:31] <ouroumov> k
[01:32] <aee> in "getting started" i have a "driver" button. Is this one?
[01:33] <ouroumov> yes
[01:36] <aee> in "Graphics" I'm getting this:
[01:36] <aee> Sorry, Welcome was unable to automatically identify the graphics vendor on this system.
[01:36] <aee> Card/Chipset: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)
[01:40] <blackwater1> ouroumov: i dont know that a clean install of 16.04 would actually fix the problem, im considering reinstalling but probably back to 15.10.. you know, the way it was before
[01:41] <blackwater1> you seem knowledgeable
[01:43] <ouroumov> 15.10 is no longer supported
[01:44] <ouroumov> aee, I've never seem that before, maybe ask about it on the forums? https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[01:45] <aee> ok. Thanks anyway
[01:51] <ouroumov> blackwater1, can you try something? Create a new user, log into it, set the preferences to use compiz and see if the bug persists
[01:51] <blackwater1> sure
[01:53] <blackwater1> brb
[01:58] <blackwater1> ouroumov: logged in with new user, set as compiz, no issues so far. switched back to main user, switched to compiz, acted funny, switched theme back to ambiant mate, seems ok, switched back to numix, seems ok
[01:58] <blackwater1> ouroumov: it doesnt always do that
[01:59] <blackwater1> back in 15.10 when i click reboot, the theme would change to a plain grey and some icons would be missing, and it would just get stuck there and not reboot
[01:59] <ouroumov> There have been theme adjustments since 15.10, mainly GTK version stuff
[01:59] <blackwater1> so as this point I can't tell if it's a 16.04 issue, a mate issue, a compiz issue or a numix theme issue
[01:59] <ouroumov> blackwater1, I know what you mean lol, I've seen that too
[01:59] <blackwater1> ouroumov: but it wouldn't happen always either
[01:59] <ouroumov> I think it's a MATE issue but I haven't managed to get a screenshot of that in action for a bug report yet
[02:00] <ouroumov> blackwater1, for me it usually happens when pluma is open with a changed file that has not been saved
[02:00] <blackwater1> i almost keep forcing myself to like ubuntu but as much as i hate windows and it being a resource hog, it seems like windows 10 is just more reliable
[02:02] <blackwater1> idk if switching to straight up ubuntu would be a good idea
[02:02] <ouroumov> blackwater1, I think you'd get some benefits from a fresh 16.04 install
[02:02] <blackwater1> then just installing mate desktop.. or would that be literally the same thing
[02:02] <ouroumov> It wouldn't be the same
[02:03] <blackwater1> i mean, what's different besides default programs
[02:03] <ouroumov> Stuff like Welcome, Software boutique etc have been created for Ubuntu MATE
[02:03] <blackwater1> welcome is just the welcome screen that pops up and no one ever uses, right?
[02:04] <ouroumov> Remind me how you got here again? :)
[02:04] <blackwater1> i dont follow
[02:05] <ouroumov> Didn't you get here using the "Chatroom" button in welcome? (I don't remember exactly the label)
[02:05] <blackwater1> oh.
[02:05] <blackwater1> no
[02:05] <blackwater1> i googled ubuntu mate irc channel
[02:05] <ouroumov> People use Welcome for post install stuff mainly
[02:06] <blackwater1> i didnt mean it in a rude though, if it came out like that i apologizer
[02:06] <blackwater1> way*
[02:06] <ouroumov> yeah no problem
[02:06] <ouroumov> Anyway
[02:07] <blackwater1> im just trying to figure out the best option here, I like to setup my workspaces/virtual desktops a certain way and start being productive
[02:07] <ouroumov> I think your problem comes from something screwwy in the compiz settings
[02:07] <blackwater1> i dont wanna reinstall 16.04 and have everything seem normal then somehow down the line problems start coming up
[02:07] <blackwater1> it's possible
[02:07] <ouroumov> Maybe you can use that new user you created?
[02:08] <blackwater1> I could try resetting compiz settings to default
[02:08] <ouroumov> yes
[02:09] <blackwater1> ok i did that, i'll give it a week or so see how it pans out
[02:10] <blackwater1> i like ubuntu and i really like mate, i certainly appreciate all the effort they put into it
[02:10] <blackwater1> i just hate tinker with things just so they can work properly
[02:11] <ouroumov> Yeah I don't blame you on that one
[02:12] <ouroumov> I would also like for things to "just work", but we're not there yet and I don't think this is an attainable goal either
[02:13] <blackwater1> it's my workstation too, not a home machine, so it really sucks when things are buggy. i can't stand windows so i'll always stick with ubuntu, and i hope it's just a compiz issue not mate. it would make sense that window manager issues would cause issues.. with windows, and not the OS.
[02:13] <blackwater1> ouroumov: how do you mean, though? what have you ran into that doesn't just work?
[02:14] <blackwater1> on my end, things are buggy, but things that do work do seem to just work, you know?
[02:15] <ouroumov> blackwater1, well a couple of things. That 16.04 release has had a few issues. I've got lock screen problems, the gvfsd-smb bug (this one though is on the verge of being fixed in 16.04, I know because I'm following the bug report) I've also been hit by various things hardware related (drivers)
[02:16] <blackwater1> it's funny how things that worked in 15.10 would stop working in 16.04
[02:16] <ouroumov> 'tragic' is the word I'd use
[02:19] <blackwater1> now, is it a 16.04 issue or a mate 16.04 issue?
[02:20] <ouroumov> 16.04. Most problems come from the Ubuntu Base, the few problems I have with MATE are not really show-stoppers you know, just annoyances
[02:20] <blackwater1> i guess i should've read up on reviews before upgrading
[02:21] <ouroumov> I don't think any of your troubles come from Ubuntu Base
[02:21] <ouroumov> I mean, you're using compiz. Compiz is notoriously buggy for starters
[02:47] <erasmus_> o7
[03:30] <ouroumov> .ô7
[03:35] <jay_> hi
[07:36] <alkisg> gordonjcp: getty is ran asynchronously by systemd when the vt switch occurs
[07:36] <alkisg> Did you do something that could disable that functionality?
[07:36] <alkisg> Does "sudo openvt bash" open a bash on the first available vt for you?
[07:42] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: I'm trying to update the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi page so that it works with 16.04
[07:42] <alkisg> In my raspberry pi 2 ubuntu-mate installation, I see that you're not using the raspi2 kernel, but a package named "raspberry-bootloader"
[07:43] <alkisg> Is that what people should install in their rpi chroots nowadays? Or that's mate-specific, and other flavors shouldn't rely on it?
[07:44] <erasmus_> people talking & got no notification :/
[07:45] <alkisg> erasmus_: by your irc client? usually notifications only appear when someone is mentioning your name...
[07:46] <erasmus_> ah
[07:46] <erasmus_> I do not know anyone here since I just got Ubuntu Mate. In process of switching from Windows for most things.
[07:50] <ouroumov> erasmus_, how's it going so far?
[07:51] <erasmus_> Great, better than Elementary OS.
[07:51] <erasmus_> Got AMDGPU Pro drivers to install here
[07:51] <erasmus_> Just having one small issue with my vga monitor
[07:52] <erasmus_> The system is reading both of my DVI ports as DVI-D but one of them is DVI-I
[07:52] <erasmus_> It has the vga monitor hooked up via dvi-I adapter
[07:54] <erasmus_> Could take my 32" TV back from my roommate and use it lol
[07:54] <erasmus_> I play EVE Online and having 2 screens is very helpful
[07:56] <ouroumov> Didn't know there was a Linux version of Eve Online
[07:57] <erasmus_> I think its unofficial official
[07:57] <erasmus_> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread
[07:57] <erasmus_> If that makes since
[07:57] <erasmus_> *sense
[07:58] <erasmus_> Group of devs I think on their own accord maintain it
[07:59] <erasmus_> So you wont find it on steam for linux
[07:59] <erasmus_> but you can get it here
[08:01] <ouroumov> That's pretty sweet, though I don't play myself I know a few people that will probably be interested
[08:01] <erasmus_> I like it, it about the high risk long troll
[08:02] <erasmus_> Not an instant gratification kind of game for the most part
[08:04] <erasmus_> I guess how they built the wine my R9 380 registers as a HD 5600
[08:04] <erasmus_> Without the AMDGPU Pro drivers it only registers as HD 2900 and I have to turn down some settings
[08:15] <JohnDroid> Hello, I need to connect to a server using a ssh-key and I got this error msg: sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation
[08:16] <JohnDroid> I tried to disable the ssh-agent at boot start. The process is still running and it won't kill even if i do sudo kill -9
[08:25] <ouroumov> hm
[08:25] <ouroumov> you need the ssh agent I think
[08:25] <ouroumov> you're using ssh-copy-id?
[08:31] <JohnDroid> I'm using ssh-add
[08:32] <JohnDroid> when I do ssh-add -l there is already my key. Event if I do ssh-add -D the key is not removed
[08:32] <ouroumov> Is there a particular reason you don't want to use the classic route of ssh-copy-id?
[08:37] <JohnDroid> I don't need ssh-copy-id my public key is already configured on the server side. I just want to load my ssh key in the agent to connect to the server like I always did under Kubuntu. I just switched to Mate recently
[08:41] <ouroumov> Did you verify the file permissions in ~/.ssh?
[08:45] <JohnDroid> ok nevermind, I did : eval `ssh-agent -s` and it worked. http://askubuntu.com/questions/762541/ubuntu-16-04-ssh-sign-and-send-pubkey-signing-failed-agent-refused-operation
[08:45] <ouroumov> great
[08:49] <JohnDroid> thanks anyway
[11:58] <ubuntu-mate> hy
[12:31] <myth> hy
[12:47] <TwoNotes> I am using the "Caja" file viewer on Ubuntu-MATE and since the upgrade form 15.10 to 16.04.1 the "folder color" feature seems to have dissapeared.
[12:48] <mate|31050> Hi, all.  Receiving an error message when running software updater on 32-bit Mate.  First, there's a warning that only a partial upgrade is possible.  Then I receive a new window that indicates an unresolvable error: unable to calculate upgrade.  Anyone else seen this or have an idea about what's going on?
[12:50] <Akuli> are you upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04?
[12:51] <mate|31050> No: I installed 16.04 on a windows celeron powered laptop
[12:52] <Akuli> well, that doesn't surprise me :) 16.04 seems to be pretty awful and buggy overall
[12:52] <Akuli> since it was released there has been a bunch of people coming to ubuntu support channels with all kinds of weird problems
[12:53] <mate|31050> Now you're calling me weird :-)
[12:53] <mate|31050> Anyway to upload screenshots of the error windows?
[13:03] <Akuli> pasteboard.co
[13:03] <Akuli> is what i use
[13:16] <JohnDroid> with Caja, is it possible on the left to have "Places" and "Tree" at the same time, instead to have to switch between the two
[13:49] <Akuli> JohnDroid, F3 seems to do something interesting, maybe thats what you want?
[13:51] <JohnDroid> Akuli, no F3 is adding another panel with folders view. I guess it's not possible to do what I want
[13:51] <JohnDroid> is someone using another file explorer with mate?
[13:52] <JohnDroid> or maybe I could just install dolphin
[13:53] <JohnDroid> oh no it's installing baloo, this is a nogo for me
[14:05] <DarkPsydeLord> klaatu barada nikto!
[14:43] <ryan_> hi
[14:43] <ryan_> any arabic users here ?
[14:44] <ryan_> :(
[14:52] <jasin39> Hello All
[15:02] <DarkPsydeLord> hello
[15:02] <lee_> hi
[15:03] <jasin39> sorry for the delay I was googling, how to stop screen tearing ubuntu mate 16.04 intel graphics
[15:04] <lee_> did you solved the problem?
[15:04] <jasin39> i wont know until i restart.
[15:04] <jasin39> but i dont think i did
[15:05] <jasin39> am i allowed to past,post an internet link ?
[15:05] <jasin39> *paste
[15:08] <jasin39> anyway, I found a site that suggested i create a startup app with that invokes  "compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc"
[15:09] <jasin39> i did that. and although i havent restarted my pc yet, i did enter that command into a terminal, and it told me the another composite manager already running
[15:09] <jasin39> so now Im concerned that the two will conflict with each other when i reboot my machine.
[15:10] <Akuli> of course :)
[15:10] <Akuli> links are allowed
[15:10] <jasin39> okay. thanks.
[15:10] <jasin39> the site i found was this one, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/eliminate-screen-tearing/2156
[16:05] <mate|46752> installing mate 1st time
[18:00] <PartyLine> hi there i need little help
[18:06] <Akuli> Hi PartyLine, whats the problem?
[18:07] <PartyLine> i like to del some partition beffore to install ubuntu mate alpha
[18:07] <PartyLine> i try in win but i cant
[18:07] <PartyLine> can i do from ubuntu
[18:09] <Akuli> of course
[18:09] <Akuli> which windows?
[18:12] <PartyLine> i trying n windows 10 but i cant del
[18:13] <Akuli> make sure your windows shuts down correctly
[18:13] <Akuli> disable fast boot in its power settings, you can look up more instructions on google
[18:14] <Akuli> when you've done that you can just boot ubuntu from the installation usb stick, choose to try ubuntu and use a partitioning tool to delete your partition
[18:55] <christoph> is it possible to not use the softwareboutique
[18:56] <christoph> i mainly not use it
[18:56] <Akuli> i don't even have it installed :)
[18:56] <Akuli> i do everything with aptitude
[18:56] <christoph> and how to remove it ?
[18:56] <Akuli> boutique or aptitude?
[18:57] <christoph> boutique
[18:57] <Akuli> sudo aptitude remove software, then hit tab twice
[18:57] <christoph> sudo apt-get autoremove and then ?
[18:57] <Akuli> why would you autoremove?
[18:57] <Akuli> actually
[18:57] <christoph> because it uses space which i can ned for other things
[18:57] <Akuli> run this: dpkg --get-selections | grep boutique
[18:57] <Akuli> what do you get?
[18:58] <christoph> and why install things which i even dont need
[18:58] <Akuli> i mean, of course you can run autoremove but run it after a regular remove :)
[18:58] <Akuli> so, what does the dpkg command say?
[18:59] <christoph> it says nothing
[18:59] <Akuli> then i have no idea how to remove it
[18:59] <Akuli> or wait
[18:59] <Akuli> maybe i have an ubuntu mate 16.04 iso somewhere
[18:59] <nomic> z.z.z.z
[18:59] <christoph> ok then i ask google :-)
[19:00] <pavlushka> Akuli: you forget to add sudo before "dpkg --get-selections | grep boutique", without it , will not show anything
[19:00] <Akuli> pavlushka, nope
[19:00] <Akuli> --get-selections does not require sudo, and you shouldn't use sudo with it
[19:00] <pavlushka> Akuli: or if you are in root mode
[19:01] <Akuli> pavlushka, please don't use sudo when you don't need to
[19:01] <Akuli> christoph, i have an iso, lets boot it
[19:01] <pavlushka> Akuli: sorry, my bad, copy paste mistake
[19:02] <Akuli> no problem :)
[19:03] <pavlushka> it does gives the result, wondering why it didn't show anything for christoph !
[19:03] <Akuli> damn virtualbox eats up all my ram
[19:03] <christoph> pavlushka: also with sudo it shows nothing
[19:03] <Akuli> 64MB free
[19:05] <Akuli> christoph, i managed to open a terminal, lets see how this should be done
[19:06] <Akuli> or not
[19:06] <Akuli> the welcome screen is trying to come over my terminal
[19:08] <christoph> Akuli: do you use linux ?
[19:08] <christoph> or windwos instead ?
[19:08] <Akuli> definitely linux over windows
[19:08] <Akuli> i just don't like virtualbox :)
[19:09] <christoph> me too :)
[19:10] <Akuli> oh now the welcome screen is gone
[19:12] <Akuli> christoph, meanwhile my virtual machine is frozen, try to find a terminal command that runs the boutique
[19:13] <Akuli> bah i should probably extract the iso and chroot into it
[19:14] <pavlushka> Akuli: give it a try, :)
[19:14] <pavlushka> unfortunately , me too not in MATE atm.
[19:18] <Akuli> alright time to extract the iso
[19:19] <christoph> Akuli: what distro ?
[19:19] <Akuli> ubuntu mate 14.04 on this system
[19:19] <christoph> ok
[19:19] <Akuli> actualy i can just mount and chroot
[19:19] <Akuli> or not
[19:21] <Akuli> awesome
[19:21] <pavlushka> Akuli: what?
[19:21] <Akuli> oh he came back
[19:21] <Akuli> or not..
[19:22] <Akuli> i just started unsquashfsing
[19:23] <Akuli> and we're done
[19:24] <Akuli> weird
[19:24] <Akuli> is the software boutique somehow the same thing as the welcome screen?
[19:24] <Akuli> i just can't find it
[19:26] <pavlushka> Akuli: me to, not in bin, sbin, usr/bin, usr/sbin
[19:26] <Akuli> by the way, you can just which it
[19:26] <Akuli> i wonder what's the command for launching it
[19:27] <Akuli> i could dpkg -S if i knew that
[19:30] <Akuli> whatever, christoph quit anyway :)
[19:59] <pavlushka> Akuli: yes it is "ubuntu-mate-welcome --software-only"
[20:00] <Akuli> at least we know what christoph needs to remove if he comes back :)
[20:19] <sslove> hey everybody, i just spotted ubuntu 'in the wild' on a tv series called homestead rescue season 1 episode 6 @ 22:33, MATE desktop with ambiance theme, classic ubuntu setup with 2 panels, green folder icons. Ubuntu MATE perhaps?
[20:20] <sslove> u see it for a few seconds, at one point close up of a vlc window and desktop background, and then u see the whole desktop
[20:25] <ouroumov> sslove, lol thanks for the tip. Maybe it'd be cool to mention it in the forums / send a link to Linux Action Show? x)
[20:26] <sslove> haha, yea neat
[20:27] <sslove> http://imgur.com/a/isM9M here's 2 screenshots, what do you think?
[20:28] <sslove> i have mine customized with different theme, is the the UMATE default?
[20:28] <sslove> how do i submit that to LAS?
[20:29] <ouroumov> I don't know exactly but each episode they do a "The Pic" segment and I think people basically contact Noah to tell him
[20:29] <sslove> um, kernellinux@?
[20:30] <ouroumov> yeah
[20:30] <sslove> do u know the rest?
[20:30] <ouroumov> Oh uh no I think that's his twitter handler, not sure if he's got the mail too
[20:31] <sslove> noah is definitely the more ubuntu guy right? mate user?
[20:31] <ouroumov> Damn my wifi is so weak since earlier I didn't manage to load your screenshots
[20:31] <sslove> oh damn, why is that?
[20:31] <ouroumov> sslove, yeah I think the other is an Arch diehard
[20:32] <ouroumov> sslove, cause it's my phone's hotspot
[20:32] <sslove> oh oh, where do u live?
[20:32] <ouroumov> France
[20:32] <sslove> i'm in se asia where internet is generally pretty awful
[20:33] <sslove> ah right, man i wish i was there now, eating cheese
[20:33] <sslove> no cheese here
[21:12] <pavlushka> I am having an issue with login for a quite long time, with the login prompt, when I just select any user other than that showing, the login prompt vanishes and switching to tty shells, it saya a
[21:13] <pavlushka> I am having an issue with login for a quite long time, with the login prompt, when I just select any user other than that showing, the login prompt vanishes and switching to tty shells, it says a start job is running.
[21:20] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: stop stealing "internets" from your neighbors
[21:20] <DarkPsydeLord> thats why it is slow
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> xD
[21:26] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, lol wtf u talkin bout mate?
[21:26] <sslove> i haven't done that in years
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> yd?
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> i know you are doing it right now XD! cause you are stealing mine i can see your ip in my router
[21:27] <DarkPsydeLord> hehehe
[21:28] <DarkPsydeLord> how you doing btw? its being days since we talked where you been?
[21:56] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, hey man, r u serious??
[21:56] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, u see my ip in your router???
[21:56] <sslove> LMAO
[21:56] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, i'm chillin mang
[21:56] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, how are u?
[21:57] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: im just chilling b4 going back home im still trapped im my awesome job
[21:57] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, i had work in taiwan, a chef gig, only paid 1200us for 3 days of work
[21:58] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, ur awesome job being?
[21:58] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, u see my ip in your router???
[21:58] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: thats freaking awesome, "awesomer" than my awesome job of awesomness as a developer and system admin
[21:59] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, sounds fun to me
[21:59] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, that is awesome bro, chef work is painful, lots of hours on ur feet, neck back and shoulder hurt like a mufugga
[22:00] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: it is fun i develop headaches to regular users and i make sure everything works fine on the servers XD!
[22:00] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, u can do ur work remotely yea?
[22:00] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove: as im doing it right now! im in OHIO! not mexico.
[22:01] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, i wonder if i could bs my way into a job like that, i have no prior experience
[22:01] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, wait, ur physically in ohio? and maintaining mexico servers?
[22:02] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, makes me wonder tho, why would u be in ohio over mexico? i miss mexico man, but hard to 'pull' there, lol
[22:03] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove, for now! i work in mexico, but right now im here in a big factory in OHIO to get some information to develop an EDI with their clients in mexico aka my office!
[22:04] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove, so pretty much im in vacation BIOTCH!
[22:04] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, factory in ohio? oh i didn't think they actually made anything in america anymore
[22:05] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, hahaha, enjoy your vacation in ohio
[22:05] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove, its a "factory" we do whatever they need in mexico wink wink, and well its not really vacation im kind of working but well
[22:06] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, i'm totally pooping on ohio but actually, u should check out cedar point, world
[22:06] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, i'm totally pooping on ohio but actually, u should check out cedar point, world's largest concentration of rollercoasters
[22:07] <DarkPsydeLord> btw somebody called me the N word in chick fil LOL that mean im dark enough no more beaches for a while
[22:07] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, Ah so it's a factory the way hollywood does old western towns
[22:07] <sslove> really? someone called u a nigger?
[22:07] <sslove> holy sh1t
[22:07] <DarkPsydeLord> sslove, yes! its pretty much a storage
[22:07] <ouroumov> pavlushka, hi
[22:08] <sslove> DarkPsydeLord, funny thing is, u can count the black people in mexico on one hand
[22:08] <ouroumov> DarkPsydeLord, sslove, please don't stray off topic when there's someone on the channel asking a question
[22:08] <pavlushka> Hi ouroumov !
[22:08] <sslove> and still give someone the bird, lol
[22:08] <ouroumov> pavlushka, what do you mean "select any user other than that showing" ?
[22:09] <DarkPsydeLord> ouromov: i apologize didnt realize we had a queue question...
[22:09] <DarkPsydeLord> missed a u
[22:09] <sslove> ouroumov, DarkPsydeLord ur right, i'm in #ubuntu-offtopic if u wanna shoot the sh1t
[22:09] <ouroumov> ^^
[22:10] <sslove> what was the question?
 I am having an issue with login for a quite long time, with the login prompt, when I just select any user other than that showing, the login prompt vanishes and switching to tty shells, it says a start job is running.
[22:11] <pavlushka> ouroumov: I have a normal user, and an admin, and guest, so i have 3 choices in login but when I choose the other than that is selected from the previous login, the prompt vanishes, and its getting worse.
[22:12] <sslove> sorry pavlushka, didn't see ur q
[22:12] <ouroumov> pavlushka, so when you hit tty1 can you switch back to GUI using CTRL+ALT+F7?
[22:12] <pavlushka> sslove: np
[22:13] <ouroumov> pavlushka, I have multiple user accounts on several machines running 16.04 LTS and I've not seen that kind of issues
[22:13] <sslove> u could try installing a different login manager rather than the headache of troubleshooting it if it's not a simple solution
[22:13] <pavlushka> ouroumov: nope, I logged into tty3 shell and used startx.
[22:13] <ouroumov> pavlushka, is the system fully up to date?
[22:14] <pavlushka> because even tty1 shells says after that selecting event, "a start job is running"
[22:14] <pavlushka> ouroumov: yep, updated using tty3.
[22:14] <ouroumov> pavlushka, is the login prompt LightDM or mate-screensaver?
[22:15] <pavlushka> ouroumov: oops, supposed to be the default, coz I didn't change any.
[22:16] <ouroumov> pavlushka, even by default there's two programs handling logins:
[22:16] <ouroumov> LightDM - you hit it when you boot
[22:16] <ouroumov> mate-screensaver - you hit it after locking your screen using CTRL+ALT+L
[22:17] <pavlushka> So I just do "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" and see if it fixes the issue?
[22:17] <ouroumov> If that's the one we're talking about, you sure can try
[22:18] <pavlushka> ouroumov: I have the problem right after booting.
[22:18] <pavlushka> from the beginning
[22:18] <ouroumov> Lightdm it is then
[22:19] <pavlushka> hmm
[22:19] <pavlushka> I use Xubuntu and Lubuntu and Ubuntu, but faced this in only Ubuntu-Mate
[22:20] <ouroumov> Did you do something specific with this Ubuntu MATE install?
[22:20] <ouroumov> Anything that might have triggered this behavior?
[22:21] <pavlushka> ouroumov: nope, I just installed some packages I used to use, but no alteration.
[22:21] <ouroumov> Do you have a list of the packages?
[22:22] <ouroumov> Also, what method did you use to create that new desktop user? The GUI or sudo adduser?
[22:24] <pavlushka> ouroumov: The admin user was during installation, normal one was created using "sudo adduser"
[22:24] <pavlushka> and let me pastebin the list then.
[22:38] <pavlushka> ouroumov: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22855528/
[22:39] <ouroumov> What's k3b?
[22:39] <sslove> disc burning software
[22:40] <sslove> for kde
[22:40] <pavlushka> ouroumov: kde based burner
[22:40] <bekks> A very powerful cd/dvd creation software.
[22:40] <ouroumov> lot of stuff here is already in Ubuntu MATE by default
[22:41] <ouroumov> anyway, did you dpkg-reconfigure lightdm already?
[22:41] <pavlushka> because the dafault brasero craps my lots of CD/DVD
[22:41] <pavlushka> ouroumov: nope
[22:42] <pavlushka> now doing it.
[22:43] <pavlushka> ok, done
[22:45] <ouroumov> Reboot/check?
[22:49] <pavlushka> ouroumov: give me some minutes, something pending.
[22:49] <sslove> pavlushka, u try the burning software from xfce?
[22:50] <pavlushka> sslove: nope
[22:50] <DarkPsydeLord> whats a dvd?
[22:51] <ouroumov> DarkPsydeLord, it's an obsolete storage medium
[22:56] <sslove> damn and i've got stacks of new dvds
[22:57] <DarkPsydeLord> ooooh, nice! now you are rich since they are old XD
[22:57] <sslove> i am rich
[22:57] <sslove> got everything but the money
[22:57] <pavlushka> brb
[22:59] <DarkPsydeLord> well last time i used one i think... was 03
[23:01] <rahtgaz> that's the same as me DarkPsydeLord. the last time I used one was about the 3rd of this month
[23:06] <DarkPsydeLord> rahtgaz, lol XD i ment the year but yeah not so common now isnt it
[23:07] <rahtgaz> coincidentally they are discussing just that on #linux. Not so common for sure among home users, but still widely used professionally
[23:08] <rahtgaz> I don't agree they are obsolete. Just on the home market.
[23:09] <rahtgaz> Heck, you will get fired in many companies if you even dare bringing a USB stick in. Those things are considered dirty by many IT managers. Like some kind of used condom
[23:27] <DarkPsydeLord> well if you use windumbs you must be afraid of every single usb stick on the planet
[23:28] <DarkPsydeLord> but its not the same for us posix users
[23:28] <ouroumov> DarkPsydeLord, it's exactly the same
[23:28] <ouroumov> BadUSB is not a windows vuln
[23:29] <ouroumov> It's a fundamental problem
[23:29] <DarkPsydeLord> i know theres some issues regarding information but nothing you can handle
[23:29] <DarkPsydeLord> cant
[23:29] <ouroumov> If you can plug an USB keyboard and have your OS detect it as such, then you're vulnerable, period.
[23:30] <DarkPsydeLord> well somehow i agree and disagree
[23:30] <rfleming> Greetings!
[23:30] <DarkPsydeLord> but i just like to argue about everything XD
[23:31] <DarkPsydeLord> rfleming: hi how are ya!
[23:31] <ouroumov> Hello rfleming
[23:31] <rfleming> DarkPsydeLord, Great thanks!
[23:31] <ouroumov> rfleming, what literature do you spawn from again? Your name reminds me of something.
[23:31] <rfleming> just turned my secondary laptop to Mate and giving it a go
[23:31] <rfleming> ouroumov, I don't spawn from any literature.  This happens to be my name ;)
[23:32] <ouroumov> wow cool
[23:32] <DarkPsydeLord> i love mate as i always say, it reminds me my beloved ubuntu 8
[23:32] <DarkPsydeLord> gnome 2 at its best
[23:32] <rfleming> I replaced budgie-remix
[23:33]  * rfleming looks at everyone looking it up :)
[23:35] <rfleming> It's been a while since I used MATE.  It's really grown
[23:35] <DarkPsydeLord> lol not me
[23:36] <DarkPsydeLord> im cli now! when i get home i will look for it
[23:36] <rfleming> I like budgie.  I can't wait for Canonical to roll it in as an alt
[23:36] <DarkPsydeLord> my lynx wont lemme see the pictures
[23:36] <rfleming> aww...
[23:37] <rfleming> DarkPsydeLord, mark this for later https://solus-project.com/budgie/
[23:37] <rfleming> Budgie is the desktop for SolusOS
[23:37] <rfleming> and it's built tight to GNOME
[23:38] <rfleming> ... it's kinda like Cinnamon, but better :)
[23:38] <DarkPsydeLord> o yeah! i tried solus once
[23:38] <DarkPsydeLord> beautiful
[23:39] <rahtgaz> infidel!
[23:39] <rahtgaz> you don't try Solus once. You try it forever
[23:39] <rfleming> someone released an Ubuntu remix with Budgie as the DE... Canonical is supposedly going to make it an official remix some day
[23:40] <DarkPsydeLord> well i mainly use umate and arch so no solus needed for now!
[23:40]  * rfleming would love to tinker with arch... but I don't have time anymore.  I just want something that works.
[23:41] <DarkPsydeLord> thats why i use umate
[23:41] <DarkPsydeLord> when in need of a distro that works
[23:41] <rfleming> I used to use Gentoo and Fluxbox... I was a known masochist...
[23:42] <rfleming> then I got married and had kids.
[23:42] <DarkPsydeLord> i was a mint user but well you know ubuntu mate just looks great and remind me my early days in linux
[23:42] <rfleming> I've been floating between Unity, XFCE and Gnome for a while... did a brief stint with lxde
[23:43] <rfleming> yeah, I used to use mate... until manual updating broke my system and I realized that clem renames deb packages to fit his needs :)
[23:43] <rfleming> so I went back to xubuntu 14
[23:44] <rahtgaz> I'm still a fan of tiling vms. And mate shares a space with i3.
[23:44] <rfleming> I'm still trying to figure a few things out.
[23:44] <DarkPsydeLord> i'm still
[23:44] <rfleming> I'm going to use i3w on my 'server' laptop
[23:44] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[23:44] <DarkPsydeLord> im curious about e17
[23:45] <rfleming> lol
[23:45] <rahtgaz> you do it, rfleming. the best twm out there
[23:45] <rfleming> rahtgaz, that's the plan... but tinker time is premium time :)
[23:45] <rfleming> DarkPsydeLord, when it comes to E, I find YouTube the best place to try it out.
[23:46] <DarkPsydeLord> thats true thats why i like arch once you set your machine the way you like it you just keep rolling
[23:46] <rahtgaz> well, it's just getting the initial setup right. one or two days until you tweak enough until you are satisfied. then it's rock and roll
[23:46] <sslove> no way, e is a delight to play around with
[23:46] <sslove> u can tweak the hell out of it
[23:46] <DarkPsydeLord> there you are!
[23:46] <rfleming> sslove, yeah but what practical use is it? >:)
[23:47] <rahtgaz> i honestly don't know what e is
[23:47] <rahtgaz> and with that name, i don't want to google it :p
[23:47] <sslove> rfleming, what do u mean?
[23:47] <sslove> rfleming, it's a de
[23:48] <rfleming> sslove, I'm just teasing
[23:48] <sslove> rfleming, u run apps like in any other
[23:48] <sslove> rfleming, you punk
[23:48] <sslove> :p
[23:48]  * rfleming is guilty
[23:48] <DarkPsydeLord> hahahaha
[23:49] <sslove> anyone here flying from the us to malaysia by chance?
[23:49] <rfleming> Icons seem to be strange in mate... but maybe it's my expectations
[23:49] <rahtgaz> that's a shot in the dark eh
[23:50] <rahtgaz> rfleming: not really. You are right. I find mate icons the one thing I dislike
[23:50] <sslove> rfleming, unless ur being a punk again, ubuntu mate comes with loads of alt icon sets, including several versions of faenza, still the best imho
[23:50] <rfleming> ok, so monochrome panel icons are a pipe-dream then?
[23:51] <rfleming> one of the things I LOVE with my xubuntu
[23:51] <rfleming> sslove, Icons aren't a problem  I like using the 'paper' icons with the 'arc-darker' theme
[23:52] <rfleming> I just don't like colour icons in my panels :)
[23:52] <sslove> yea why are the panel icons not monochrome? for instance, clipit panel icon on unity is but on mate no, even with same icon theme, faenza
[23:52] <rahtgaz> ugh, flat icons!
[23:52] <sslove> lol
[23:52] <sslove> not flat, monochrome
[23:52] <rfleming> rahtgaz, You're entitled to your opinion... but I'm entitled to ridicule your ridiculous opinions.
[23:52] <sslove> there's a difference
[23:52] <rahtgaz> I was talking about the paper icons.
[23:53] <rahtgaz> And I am going to ridicule the hell of those icons now
[23:53] <rfleming> haha
[23:53] <rahtgaz> :p
[23:53] <sslove> paper icons? what's that?
[23:53] <rfleming> for those wanting to see: https://snwh.org/paper/icons
[23:54] <sslove> tnx
[23:54] <rfleming> Sorry DarkPsydeLord... I don't think Lynx is going to show that proper :)
[23:54] <rahtgaz> dman. that's ugly. that's like a 7 year old icon set. it's only missing sticky figures
[23:54] <rfleming> rahtgaz, is Moka (https://snwh.org/moka) betteR?
[23:55] <DarkPsydeLord> rfleming, its ok i see some words in my black screen :) now im tempted to open it in my phone
[23:55] <rahtgaz> hmm.. actualy that moka seems nicer. and it's not flat
[23:55] <rfleming> Faba (the ones below) are the basis and fallback to Moka.  If it doesn't exist in Moka, then Moka uses Faba
[23:56] <sslove> those are pretty nice actually, but what i have found with most icon sets is they're not complete, so ur system ends up looking kinda shite
[23:56] <rfleming> all three of those have PPAs
[23:56] <sslove> whereas faenza is very nearly complete
[23:56] <rfleming> and very square
[23:56] <rfleming> in a Pulp Fiction sort of way
[23:56] <rfleming> :)
[23:56] <sslove> yea i like that look
[23:57] <rfleming> I wonder how elementary-icon-theme looks in Mate
[23:57] <rfleming> that's the default for xubuntu
[23:57] <rahtgaz> installing moka
[23:58] <rfleming> but yeah... monochrome panel icons would be really nice
[23:58]  * rfleming believes a rainbow doesn't belong in the panel
[23:59] <sslove> i like the lubuntu icons too, they did a pretty good job with those, now i wish ubuntu proper would get on the ball and release a new icon set, they hired the faenza guy years ago, for what?
[23:59] <onmytoes> ouroumov: hello, to no avail