[06:23] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro paddatrapper chesedo theblazehen and others
[06:34] <andrewlsd> Morning
[06:34] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[06:34] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[06:35] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos, andrewlsd
[06:45] <dlPhreak> Good morning.
[06:47] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, andrewlsd, paddatrapper, dlPhreak
[06:52] <theblazehen> I probably should write a screen lock script for my desktop. Latest (well, not _latest_, but new) version removed DPMS support
[06:52] <andrewlsd> Hi paddatrapper, theblazehen
[06:52] <theblazehen> And I need it to quit quassel so desktop doesn't read the notifications on desktop and not show laptop
[06:53] <andrewlsd> theblazehen:  write a haskel version of Quassel, call it Hassel
[06:53] <andrewlsd> with ascii-art of David Hasselhof.
[06:53] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: heh. 
[06:53] <andrewlsd> ... Hassel: never log hoff.
[06:53] <Kilos> chores wbb
[06:54] <theblazehen> Hmm. Smuxi does vertical channel list too
[06:54] <theblazehen> Might consider it
[06:55] <paddatrapper> Hey theblazehen, dlPhreak
[07:08] <christol> Hi
[07:23] <christol> apt upgrade today = fun
[07:26] <magespawn> good morning
[07:31] <theblazehen> hi christol, magespawn, Symmetria
[07:35] <Squirm> Morning
[07:56] <christol> hi Squirm
[07:56] <Kilos> hi christol magespawn Squirm 
[07:56] <christol> hello
[08:04] <Kilos> nice to see you back christol 
[08:05] <christol> yes. Had a catastrophic laptop failure.
[08:06] <christol> forgot my charger at the office
[08:06] <christol> :(
[08:06] <Kilos> ai!
[08:08] <christol> but i use linux on my laptop, so i was ok.
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:47]  * theblazehen gets around https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/jlg0izsl.jpeg <- that long when accessing laptop over ssh
[08:47] <theblazehen> No power saving tools either
[08:57] <andrewlsd> `alias au="apt-get update`
[08:57] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: https://xkcd.com/1654/ close enough?
[08:59] <andrewlsd> lol.
[08:59] <andrewlsd> I'd prefer some ||  to be used.
[09:00] <andrewlsd> but that is the general idea.
[09:03] <theblazehen> I'd say replace the '&' with ';'. If we're going with bad ideas, why not make sure you have the latest version of the software?
[09:04] <theblazehen> 3rd last line needs to use && at the end though
[09:04] <magellanic> hmm, does that xkcd cover the new snappy package thingy :p
[09:05] <magellanic> heya andrewlsd 
[09:05] <theblazehen> hey magellanic. 
[09:05] <magellanic> anyone played with the snaps stuff, looks interesting
[09:05] <magellanic> heya theblazehen 
[09:05] <andrewlsd> hi magellanic
[09:05] <theblazehen> Nope. Nor appimage, or what are they calling it now? flatpak?
[09:06] <andrewlsd> .... appimage I've used. Seems to work the best (as in, it runs)
[09:06] <andrewlsd> ... appimage has not sandboxing built in.... but I just run them via firejail instead.
[09:07] <andrewlsd> omgubuntu.co.uk had a couple of posts about snaps.
[09:08] <andrewlsd> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/snap-package-of-vlc-player-daily-build
[09:08]  * theblazehen remembers https://www.turnkeylinux.org/
[09:20]  * andrewlsd also remembers TurnKeyLinux 
[09:21] <andrewlsd> 80MB of daily VLC snap downloaded...
[09:21] <andrewlsd> out of 110MB
[09:23] <theblazehen> Wow. That's huge
[09:36] <christol> Does anybody know of any Linux conferences in the near future arround gauteng?
[09:37] <theblazehen> christol: how near?
[09:38] <christol> :)
[09:38] <christol> August September
[09:39] <theblazehen> christol: 17 september?
[09:40] <theblazehen> Software freedom day
[09:41] <christol> 17th is good.
[09:52] <christol> we should have defcon sometime.
[09:54] <theblazehen> christol: That would be neat
[09:54] <theblazehen> I wonder what I'd contract if I brought my laptop and phone along
[09:55] <christol> hags - like my brother says.
[09:55] <christol> if i had the money, i would defnatly do one in JHB.
[09:56] <christol> i'll call it christocon!!!
[09:56] <christol> lol
[09:56] <theblazehen> heh
[09:56] <theblazehen> Would you risk going there with laptop etc?
[09:57] <christol> not a laptop, but maybe a burner phone??
[09:58] <theblazehen> Hmm. And chuck it when you leave?
[09:58] <christol> no, i'll give it to someone, i do not like :o
[10:01] <theblazehen> heh
[10:02] <ra1v3n> how does one get a Burner phone in SA
[10:02] <christol> CNA
[10:03] <ra1v3n> AppImage is awesome especially for getting something ancient to run on a newer distro
[10:03] <ra1v3n> CNA
[10:03] <ra1v3n> really
[10:03] <ra1v3n> I thought you had to RICA a sim ..... 
[10:03] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: You do
[10:04] <christol> yes only the sim, phone differant story...
[10:04] <theblazehen> Or wait
[10:04] <theblazehen> Yeah, was gonna say that
[10:04] <ra1v3n> well then its not exactly a burner now is it 
[10:04] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: How so?
[10:04] <christol> sure
[10:04] <theblazehen> Well, I guess govt can track you
[10:04] <ra1v3n> your Identity will be linked to the sim
[10:05] <theblazehen> But not others
[10:05] <ra1v3n> lol
[10:05] <andrewlsd> +1 ra1v3n (re appimage + newer distro)
[10:05]  * theblazehen is gonna install GNU/Linux on a phone. Wonder what they'd do with that :) (ty andrewlsd!)
[10:06] <ra1v3n> I have Cyanogen and tiny Linux on my old P100
[10:06] <christol> nice, theblazehen.
[10:06] <christol> linux on everything
[10:06]  * theblazehen wonders which distro. Perhaps debian
[10:06] <theblazehen> Binary packages
[10:06]  * andrewlsd has linux on his toaster.
[10:06] <andrewlsd> (not really)
[10:06] <theblazehen> Or gentoo, more packages because of source, and distcc
[10:07] <theblazehen> http://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html
[10:07] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: how long to compile a kernel on the 1Ghz arm processor with 512MB ram?
[10:07] <christol> arch??
[10:07] <christol> two years - andrewlsd
[10:07] <ra1v3n> lmao
[10:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Well, gonna be hitting flash a lot. 3 hours on an x86_64 atom single core with hyperthreading at 1.6GHz, 2 GB RAM and a 5400 RPM HDD. That was back in 2012 though
[10:08] <theblazehen> Maybe if I use nfs/nbd
[10:08] <theblazehen> or iSCSI
[10:08] <andrewlsd> lol. iSCSI over Wifi.
[10:08] <theblazehen> I think you _can_ use swap over iscsi..
[10:08] <andrewlsd> or iSCSI over USB.
[10:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Nah. USB Gadget
[10:09] <theblazehen> Run it as usbnet or rndis
[10:09] <theblazehen> Put swap on a ramdisk over network
[10:09] <theblazehen> Hmm. Wifi and usb
[10:10] <theblazehen> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit wanna do this sometime
[10:10] <theblazehen> > This results in a maximum bandwidth of about 300 kilobytes per second. 
[10:11] <theblazehen> If storage is 200 KB/s, why even bother with the RAM?
[10:13] <christol> theblazehen -- you could show us your project at christocon.
[10:14] <theblazehen> christol: Heh. yeah
[10:14]  * theblazehen needs to get a reverse proxy set up on dedicated server
[10:14] <theblazehen> Got stuff I want to write for blog.
[10:14] <theblazehen> Home saltstack setup
[10:14] <theblazehen> Finding security bug in http://rocket.chat
[10:14] <theblazehen> And other things I forgot
[10:15] <theblazehen> And phone thing. Yeah
[10:15]  * theblazehen will hopefully break https://github.com/Seitanas/kvm-vdi/ today also
[10:16] <theblazehen> Well, it's already broken I think
[10:16] <theblazehen> Just need to use it
[10:16] <theblazehen> How do people not see these security bugs... So easy, ffs!
[10:16] <theblazehen> Literally found it withing 4 min of looking for security stuff
[10:16] <theblazehen> And 6 min of looking at general code
[10:18] <christol> have you looked at X2Go for your VDI
[10:19] <theblazehen> christol: I've used it, ran primary pc with it
[10:19] <theblazehen> Virtualized pc on an i3-2100 with IIRC 16 GB RAM
[10:20] <christol> nice
[10:20] <theblazehen> connected with netbook mentioned earlier
[10:20] <theblazehen> Depending on wifi link it was either good performance or a little bit better than running on the netbook itself
[10:20] <theblazehen> good=4mbit, little better = 2 mbit/s
[10:25]  * theblazehen should probably get some sleep some time... Those sleep deprivation headaches are fun
[10:26] <christol> sleep is good
[10:28] <theblazehen> It's good, yes. But it's really annoying when you're trying to get stuff done
[10:29]  * theblazehen finds 5-7 hours on week days, 10 on friday night, 8 on saturday night is _okay_
[10:39] <theblazehen> hi Na3iL
[10:39] <Na3iL> hello theblazehen 
[10:42] <Kilos> hi jerit Na3iL 
[10:42] <Na3iL> o/ Kilos jerit 
[10:43] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[10:45] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[10:53] <jerit> ello Na3iL and Kilos and thatgraemeguy
[11:09] <superfly> .
[11:20] <theblazehen> 
[11:30] <jerit> is it bad that its only now lunch time and already I want to kill people?
[11:36] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <theblazehen> jerit: Nope
[11:39] <theblazehen> Well, depends on who I guess
[11:40] <theblazehen> At the moment I'd decline your offer, but thanks anyway
[11:40] <theblazehen> :D
[11:43] <ra1v3n> Am I still here
[11:44] <paddatrapper> ra1v3n: It would seem so
[11:44] <ra1v3n> wonderful
[11:44] <ra1v3n> hello again all
[11:46] <ra1v3n> does anyone know of an online store where I can get a good graphics card (prefer Nvidia) cheap
[11:46] <jerit> card for gaming or...
[11:47] <ra1v3n> Mainly for my painting and 3d work 
[11:49] <ra1v3n> I wouldnt mind if it could handle games either :P
[11:50] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: I find wootware.com to be pretty cheap normally
[11:50] <ra1v3n> ok I will have a look there thanx
[11:51] <ra1v3n> My last machine died in a surge (I just love eskom)
[11:52] <ra1v3n> so Im trying to build a i3 machine from scrap on the cheap just to carry on with my work for now
[11:56] <theblazehen> ra1v3n: Which i3?
[11:57] <ra1v3n> its an older model .... slavged the mobo and cpu 
[12:00] <ra1v3n> the mobo is a H55M-P31
[12:02] <ra1v3n> i3 Socket 1156
[12:05] <ra1v3n> My goal is to get it up and running so I can get back to painting
[12:07] <Kilos> how much ram
[12:07] <Kilos> i3 should go well with 4g
[12:07] <Kilos> my dualcore is great with 4g
[12:08] <ra1v3n> 4g = 4gb?
[12:08] <Kilos> ya that
[12:08] <Kilos> gig
[12:08] <Kilos> technically its 4 GB or gB
[12:08] <ra1v3n> I have one 1gb card in there but have managed to source a matching 4gig pair
[12:08] <Kilos> small be is bits
[12:09] <Kilos> so 8 gig
[12:09] <Kilos> that will ge great
[12:09] <ra1v3n> so if the cards that a friend is sending me work it will have 8GB
[12:09] <Kilos> plenty
[12:09] <ra1v3n> so It needs HDD and A GPU now
[12:09] <Kilos> what speed cpu
[12:10] <Kilos> my dualcore is a 3.2GHZ cpu
[12:11] <Kilos> and strangely its almost as fast as this i5 laptop
[12:11] <ra1v3n> The machine itself works I booted it up with parted magic on a USB 
[12:11] <Kilos> then the internal graphics should be fine
[12:11] <ra1v3n> I had that written down somewhere ... lol the "where" is the problem
[12:12] <Kilos> dont fiddle with what works
[12:12] <Kilos> ram is another matter
[12:13] <arts> hey Kilos 
[12:13] <Kilos> hi arts 
[12:13] <arts> hows tricks?
[12:13] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[12:14] <arts> good good, still using Kubuntu?
[12:14] <ra1v3n> hmmm
[12:14] <Kilos> of course
[12:14] <arts> hahaha!
[12:14] <Kilos> but 14.04
[12:15] <arts> y u no upgrade
[12:15] <ra1v3n> well I did put my old GPU in there and it works ... but its old only has 256ram
[12:15] <Kilos> will upgrade next month
[12:15] <ra1v3n> but we will see how things go
[12:16] <arts> cool, Kilos do you know of any channels that can help with javascript and css
[12:17] <ra1v3n> arts try #javascript 
[12:17] <Kilos> oi 
[12:17] <Kilos> ty ra1v3n 
[12:17] <ra1v3n> oi?
[12:17] <ra1v3n> :P
[12:17] <Kilos> ai!
[12:17] <ra1v3n> that seems to be a popular question of late
[12:17] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <arts> they no want to help
[12:19] <arts> know of any others?
[12:21] <Kilos> all i find is http://irc.lc/freenode/javascript
[12:44] <arts> darn
[13:14] <magellanic> arts: what issue are you having?
[13:15] <arts> hey magellanic 
[13:15] <arts> I'm trying to re adjust the heigt of my graph in chart.js
[13:15] <arts> can I show you the site?
[13:19] <andrewlsd> arts: have you been to www.chartjs.org/docs
[13:19] <arts> yep
[13:19] <arts> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38874529/chart-js-adjust-height-in-mobile-view
[13:19] <arts> I've been trying to fix this thing the whole dau
[13:19] <arts> dayu
[13:19] <arts> *day
[13:19] <arts>  LOL
[13:28] <andrewlsd> anyone else find this to be somewhat ironic:
[13:28] <andrewlsd> vtop                              1.0.1                         stephen-stewart-blah  -      A graphical activity monitor for the command line. Written in node.js
[13:28] <andrewlsd> a graphical activity monitor, for CLi, in Node.
[13:32] <magellanic> arts: I have no experience with chartjs, but that SO post mentions that it does resize just is then too small to work with after the resize?
[13:33] <magellanic> andrewlsd: weird yeah
[13:33] <arts> yep
[13:33] <magellanic> arts: when I load the link mentioned in the SO post, chrome dev console complains that bootstrap requires jquery, did you perhaps forget jquery?
[13:34] <magellanic> oh I see you do have it
[13:35] <arts> yeh, damn graphs
[13:35] <magellanic> arts: load jquery before bootstrap
[13:36] <arts> I will but there is no need for jquery theres nothing on the page tht uses it, but let me change it quick
[13:36] <magellanic> bootstap uses it
[13:39] <arts> yeah only for madals, dropdowns etc not chart.js
[13:39] <magellanic> ah okay
[13:40] <arts> madals... I'm losing my mind! I meand modals :X
[13:41] <magellanic> so on mobile you want a larger height?
[13:43] <arts> yeah, the bars are too short
[13:48] <magellanic> in the docs they set the height of the canvas element
[13:52] <magellanic> I'd look at the maintainAspectRatio option too
[13:53] <jerit> either my pc is confused about who I am
[13:53] <jerit> or I'm confused about who I am
[13:54] <jerit> O_o
[13:54] <jerit> I don't know which is actually the case her
[13:54] <jerit> here*
[14:10] <magellanic> arts: setting a height on the canvas to test, works for me, it makes the chart longer. I guess you need some css and media queries to resize it dynamically?
[14:44] <arts> nice on magellanic 
[14:45] <superfly> paddatrapper, Kilos, I'll let you know when you  can join #iterum again
[14:50] <paddatrapper> superfly: ack
[14:50] <superfly> waiting for magespawn and inetpro to exit
[15:09] <magespawn> need to ge my attention superfly, exiting
[15:10] <magespawn> i caould have been there for a long time
[15:10] <magespawn> could
[15:25] <superfly> Kilos: ping?
[15:25] <superfly> where is Kilos? he's usually pretty responsive when he's online
[15:26] <Kilos> here
[15:26] <Kilos> superfly pong
[16:18] <superfly> Kilos, paddatrapper, magespawn, inetpro: you can join again, thank you
[16:18] <superfly> #iterum
[16:18] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[16:18] <magespawn> thanks
[16:19] <magespawn> waht were you doing superfly ?
[16:19] <superfly> magespawn: everyone had to exit so that I could join again and be given operator
[16:19] <Kilos> yeah looks the same
[16:19] <superfly> then I registered the channel to myself
[16:19] <Kilos> aha
[16:20] <Kilos> painful work all that oping and stuff
[16:22] <magespawn> ahh right
[16:22] <magespawn> cool beans
[16:24] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[16:27] <Kilos> hellooooo inetpro 
[16:28] <Kilos> wb
[16:40] <SEptic> Maaz coffee on
[16:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:42] <SEptic> evening all
[16:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for SEptic!
[16:45] <SEptic> Maaz thanks
[16:45] <Maaz> SEptic: Sure
[16:48] <SEptic> hmm
[17:02] <Kilos> hi sep
[17:03] <Kilos> ai!
[17:14] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[17:14] <Kilos> hiya pavlushka 
[17:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: i cant swim that well, so watching womens swimming on Olympics, :p
[17:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <magespawn> chat later home time.
[18:29] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[18:29] <Kilos> ill only be here late tomorrow, another trip to pension offices, sigh
[18:32] <superfly> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/researchers-crack-open-unusually-advanced-malware-that-hid-for-5-years/
[18:44] <SEptic> eish
[18:44] <SEptic> super interesting
[18:50] <Kilos> big brother is watching you
[18:50] <Kilos> betcha its the nsa 
[18:50] <Kilos> or othe usa agency
[18:51] <SEptic> nah ... i think its from the Guptas, it picks up on key words for available tenders
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <theblazehen> 'Nited states of America!
[18:57] <Kilos> yip i think so
[18:57] <nsnzero> lol
[18:57] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:58] <pavlushka> evening nsnzero !
[18:58] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[18:59] <nsnzero> i always envy virus writers - the dedication to their cause is commendable but their product is disgraceful 
[19:00] <nsnzero> hello  Kilos
[19:03] <SEptic> indeed
[19:04] <SEptic> hmm, ok sure, some super clever software can nail air-gapped pcs and remain hidden for 5 years
[19:04] <SEptic> makes me wonder what is lurking in apple's / microsoft's clouds
[19:07] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Yeah. I find http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm reaper really cool though
[19:07] <nsnzero> hi SEptic : the big corp are bound by law to turn over any and all data if required - so no need for virus or malware needed
[19:07] <theblazehen> nsnzero: http://corewar.co.uk/index.htm experience that feeling yourself :)
[19:12] <SEptic> hey nsnzero : very true
[19:16] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen : is that like hacking in the movies ?  furious throwing of commands at the prompt to out wit your opponent ?
[19:17] <theblazehen> nsnzero: No. Pre programmed programs
[19:17] <theblazehen> Try and write over memory etc
[19:19] <theblazehen> http://antru.ru/
[19:19] <theblazehen> http://www.tacticalneuronics.com/content/main.asp check these too
[19:19] <theblazehen> Sites really need an update for 4k displays..
[19:20] <nsnzero> i will give it a try 
[19:22] <nsnzero> good night guys
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:33] <theblazehen> night Kilos
[19:37] <ra1v3n> gnyt all
[19:42] <cal_py> Hey guys!
[19:43] <theblazehen> hey cal_py
[19:46] <cal_py> how are you theblazehen 
[19:46] <theblazehen> cal_py: Good and you?
[19:47] <cal_py> good thanks theblazehen, group quiet?
[19:48] <theblazehen> cal_py: Not too much
[19:48] <cal_py> lol, theblazehen do you know any javascript?
[19:48] <theblazehen> cal_py: Enough to know I don't like it
[19:49] <cal_py> who does? LOL
[19:49] <theblazehen> Yeah lol
[19:49] <theblazehen> People who thought nodejs was a good idea when anything else still existed?
[19:50] <cal_py> LOL
[19:56] <cal_py> javascript is kicking my ass
[19:56] <kulelu88> rm -rf /node/
[19:57] <cal_py> lol
[19:57] <kulelu88> are you a pythonista?
[19:57] <superfly> cal_py: what's the problem?
[19:58] <cal_py> can I show you superfly ?
[19:58] <kulelu88> pastee.org cal_py 
[19:58] <superfly> cal_py: sure
[19:58] <cal_py> btw hey superfly 
[19:58] <superfly> cal_py: yes, use a pastebin of some sort
[19:59] <kulelu88> or pastebin.snyman.info
[19:59] <kulelu88> https://bin.snyman.info
[19:59] <kulelu88> that's the right 1
[20:00] <cal_py> ok let me show you something first
[20:02] <cal_py> http://preview.qaxawkzy7e6d2t9vhswkar3v1n8w7b9p705un9k2ojkbj4i.box.codeanywhere.com/#
[20:03] <cal_py> ok so this is my attemp to making a dashboard with cards, I've spent the whole day getting the JS to create multiple graphs, it works, everyone on the same page?
[20:03] <superfly> ooo, nice
[20:04] <cal_py> ok now here the problem
[20:04] <cal_py> load the page again and press "push!"
[20:05] <cal_py> apologies my typing is not so good tonight
[20:06] <superfly> the graphs don't load?
[20:07] <cal_py> exactly, google's chart API seems to only load when the pages loads which is a deal breaker, any suggestions? 
[20:07] <kulelu88> works for me after reloading and hitting push
[20:07] <cal_py> no way send a screenshot!
[20:08] <kulelu88> should the cards load the first time I visit the site without clicking push? it shows blank for me everytime
[20:08] <cal_py> they should have charts in them
[20:08] <kulelu88> I don't see any charts 0.o
[20:09] <cal_py> thats the issue, 
[20:09] <kulelu88> even the first time I load it
[20:09] <cal_py> change the code that it loads shaker_maker() on load, and the graphs will load
[20:12] <kulelu88> you changed it? 
[20:12] <cal_py> yep
[20:14] <cal_py> superfly, any comments? 
[20:24] <cal_py> fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddd
[20:24] <cal_py> thanks u stackoverflow!!!!!!!!
[20:24] <kulelu88> don't you know about stackoverflow? we are all stackoverflow programmers
[20:25] <superfly> it's how we do things... SDD Stackoverflow Driven Development
[20:25] <cal_py> hahahaha true kulelu88 
[20:25] <superfly> cal_py: why aren't you using jquery?
[20:25] <kulelu88> which part is ass? going toilet?
[20:25] <superfly> you've got it, but you're not using it
[20:26] <cal_py> jquery is for modals and fancy buttons
[20:26] <cal_py> also 
[20:26] <superfly> cal_py: and for DOM manipulation
[20:27] <cal_py> I used it for clearing the screen when I change the resolution 
[20:27] <cal_py> exactly superfly 
[20:27] <superfly> cal_py: but you're not doing it
[20:27] <superfly> "document.getElementById('cards').appendChild(new_card);"
[20:28] <superfly> $("#cards").append(new_card);
[20:28] <cal_py> jquery scares me
[20:28] <superfly> var new_card = $("<div>");
[20:28] <cal_py> ive only been programming in JS for like 3 weeks now
[20:28] <superfly> ^^ like way less typing than your version
[20:28] <cal_py> but your right jquery is easier
[20:28] <kulelu88> cal_py: what's your other IRC username?
[20:28] <superfly> scripting. programming means using a real programming language
[20:28] <superfly> *you're
[20:28] <cal_py> arts or cal_py
[20:29] <cal_py> my bad superfly scripting 
[20:29] <superfly> ;-)
[20:29] <superfly> having said that, at work I'm writing an entire application in JavaScript
[20:30] <kulelu88> so you're new here cal_py 
[20:30] <cal_py> haha same, well a dashboard, what are you writing, if you can tell
[20:33] <kulelu88> why are you rebuilding a dashboard cal_py ? there are many solutions out there already
[20:34] <superfly> cal_py: http://nomanini.com/ the big orange device and the web dashboard next to it? both, actually.
[20:34] <cal_py> because im fussy kulelu88, 
[20:34] <superfly> but the web dashboard is written in JS
[20:34] <cal_py> are you using a framework? superfly 
[20:35] <superfly> AngularJS
[20:36] <cal_py> look awesome superfly 
[20:36] <cal_py> *looks
[20:36] <superfly> it is awesome
[20:37] <superfly> I was using jQuery for a project, and I wanted to do a lot of GUI stuff in it, and I didn't feel like all the boilerplate and manual labour. then I found AngularJS and I didn't have to care about that again
[20:37] <cal_py> question, is the styling of the dashboard part of angular? 
[20:38] <kulelu88> there should be a lib for it
[20:38] <kulelu88> a lot of these JS frameworks inherit from JQuery
[20:39] <cal_py> haha seems like jquery is the root to all evil
[20:39] <superfly> negative, the love of money is the root of all evil. jQuery is awesome for its intended purpose
[20:40] <superfly> but application development is not what jQuery was intended for. it was intended for DOM manipulation
[20:40] <superfly> our app uses a bit of jQuery where Angular can't do what we want
[20:40] <kulelu88> then again, the browser itself was never intended for heavy JS apps
[20:40] <superfly> and it also uses Bootstrap, which is a UI framework
[20:40] <cal_py> google's legends for charts suck!
[20:41] <kulelu88> Are you using Google to render charts? 
[20:41] <cal_py> yep
[20:50] <cal_py> end result http://imgur.com/a/SvSCf
[21:15] <cal_py> hey pavlushka 
[21:16] <pavlushka> HEY cal_py 
[21:17] <cal_py> how you doing?