[04:20] <hikiko> hi
[05:56] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, hi, https://paste.debian.net/plain/788134
[07:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning, Sebastien! Any chance you have time to revisit bug #1607937? Patch attached, and I verified that it fixes the issue.
[07:12] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, hey desktopers
[07:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can have a look today if no other patch pilot beats me to it
[07:36] <desrt> hello world
[07:48] <jcjordyn120> go join #thelinuxgeekcommunity
[07:49] <Trevinho> Morning...
[07:53] <duflu> Morning Trevinho.
[07:53] <duflu> I think we just got spammed on IRC
[07:53] <duflu> That's new
[07:54] <TheMuso> I've seen that kind of thing on and off.
[07:55] <TheMuso> I think its generally ignored.
[07:56] <duflu> TheMuso: Happy Census week ;)
[07:56] <duflu>  /month
[07:59] <TheMuso> duflu: You too, and yes I agree, census month.
[07:59] <TheMuso> I actually got it filled out but couldn't submit it.
[08:00] <duflu> Hurray
[08:00] <RAOF> I think the census site is actually available now, two days after census day.
[08:04] <Laney> BACK ONLINE
[08:06] <duflu> RAOF: Yes. Now everybody please stay on your side of the boat or else it will topple
[08:06] <duflu> RAOF: Uh, no. It's gone again
[08:26] <seb128> hey Trevinho duflu TheMuso RAOF Laney desrt
[08:26] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:30] <Laney> what's upé
[08:34] <Laney> looks like autumn is here
[08:34] <seb128> ~ubuntu-desktop-members+=1
[08:34] <seb128> same here, cold rainy day :-/
[08:34] <seb128> yesterday was nice though, perfect evening for tennis ;-)
[08:35] <Trevinho> hey seb128
[08:35] <Trevinho> and Laney
[08:35] <Trevinho> and duflu which I forgot to greet before :)
[08:35] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you? having power today? ;-)
[08:35] <Trevinho> seb128: full power
[08:36] <Laney> luxury
[08:36] <Trevinho> yesterday it was back after lunch... All my batteries were enough
[08:36] <Laney> bring back berlusconi
[08:36] <Laney> there was always power under him
[08:36]  * Trevinho turned on all the lights just because... he can
[08:36] <seb128> lol
[08:36] <Trevinho> yeah... and trains were always in time.
[08:36] <seb128> good old times
[08:37] <seb128> but mind that when italians say "on time" they mean "don't make you wait more than 15 minutes"
[08:37] <Trevinho> not true... :-), our hight speed trains are really the most on time of the europe...
[08:38] <seb128> jaja
[08:38] <Trevinho> Then you think to regional trains and..... ok, No one around :-D
[08:38] <seb128> :-)
[08:38] <Trevinho> I'm indeed a regional train :-D
[08:38] <seb128> we noticed!
[08:38]  * seb128 hugs Trevinho
[08:38] <Trevinho> BUt... Really a nice one, isn't it!? :-D
[08:38]  * Trevinho seeking for hugs
[08:39] <Laney> definitely the first class
[08:39] <Laney> man
[08:39] <Laney> this armhf on arm64 inside lxd stuff is flaaaaaaaaaky
[08:39] <Trevinho> ahah :D
[08:39]  * Laney is bisecting ffmpeg inside there
[08:39] <Laney> fun
[08:39] <seb128> still wrestling with ffmpeg?
[08:40] <Laney> getting there
[08:40] <Laney> maybe
[08:40] <Laney> ...
[08:40] <seb128> go Laney go!
[08:40]  * seb128 enables xenial-proposed to get the new goodness from andyrock and Trevinho
[08:41] <andyrock> morning and yay for seb128
[08:41] <Trevinho> and... getting some breakage? :)
[08:41] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[08:41] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, looking forward that, wouldn't be fun without a bit of those ;-)
[08:41] <Trevinho> seb128: going to verify bugs too?
[08:41] <seb128> yes
[08:41] <Trevinho> good...
[08:42] <Trevinho> I'm a little afraid from the... seb128's maledition. That means: every single race condition, is just a crash for him.
[08:43] <seb128> it's good to be good
[08:43] <seb128> I'm told that version is going to stop warning me that my keypad is working!
[08:44] <seb128> how dare you input numbers on a keypad without warning the user?! ;-)
[08:44] <Laney> now just get the systemd service in for yakkety and you'll make me happy
[08:44] <Laney> :)
[08:45] <seb128> Laney, btw what's the deal with gstreamer, should we go for 1.9?
[08:45] <Laney> didn't think about it
[08:45] <Laney> I'm struggling for time a bit
[08:45] <seb128> I noticed because it's in experimental/red on version
[08:45] <seb128> I can have a look if you want
[08:45] <Laney> and nothing required it yet as far as I could tell
[08:45] <Laney> sure
[08:45] <Laney> you get to use the git branches
[08:46] <seb128> we are also behind on glib and need that test fix from d_esrt
[08:46] <Laney> i know
[08:46] <seb128> oh, urg
[08:46] <Laney> next week
[08:46] <seb128> yeah, no hurry, might make sense to make the new tarball that includes the fix
[08:46] <seb128> well in fact we are in sync so I guess we could already sync the update that debian did in experimental if we wanted
[08:47] <Laney> for glib?
[08:47] <seb128> yes
[08:47] <seb128> pochu did updates there
[08:47] <Laney> correct
[08:47] <Laney> I didn't test them yet
[08:48] <Laney> and it won't have the test fix
[08:48] <seb128> no hurry
[08:48] <seb128> let's wait for next week and bring the test fix in
[08:51] <willcooke> seb128, @ gstreamer.  jhodapp is doing some work getting mediahub ready for desktop.  He might be able to offer some advice and support here, he knows it quite well.
[08:51] <seb128> willcooke, hey, thanks for the suggestion
[08:51] <seb128> I think as a rule it's good to follow the current version, they are more likely to have improvements that benefit us
[08:51] <willcooke> +1
[08:52] <willcooke> maybe they fixed vaapi integration
[08:52] <willcooke> lulz
[08:52] <seb128> Laney, is there a page explaining that git workflow? it's on alioth?
[08:52] <seb128> haha
[08:52] <seb128> the day that happens willcooke is going to feel lost
[08:52] <seb128> "what's next?!"
[08:52] <willcooke> I have a list of things ready to moan about.
[08:52] <seb128> :-)
[08:53]  * willcooke is amazed at the speed the cards are moving around the Trello board 
[08:53] <Laney> don't know about a page, sorry
[08:53] <Laney> it's just git-buildpackage
[08:53] <seb128> but can I push? or how do I MR or PR on alioth?
[08:53] <Laney> they are on launchpad
[08:53] <seb128> oh, ok
[08:53] <seb128> that I can probably manage
[08:53] <Laney> you add the debian branches as a remote, then merge the tags
[08:54] <seb128> I though you had branches on pkg-gstreamer
[08:54] <Laney> look in `man dpkg-mergechangelogs' and do the git integration it says in there
[08:54] <Laney> that will make your life better
[08:54] <Laney> also if you want me to review the first one, let me know ;-)
[08:57] <duflu> In other news... seb128 if you could backport that Wayland/Mir fix for nautilus it would be awesome
[09:17] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, good job, that unity SRU seems to work as described without regression ;-)
[09:38] <Trevinho> seb128: indeed, all the changes are in between statements: if (glib::gchar_to_string(g_get_user_name()) != "seb128") != { ... } :-D
[09:39] <seb128> :-)
[09:49] <Laney> roughly 0 steps left
[09:50] <Laney> ♥ git
[10:17]  * Laney is being spammed by italians on launchpad
[10:17]  * Laney got subscribed to unity bugs
[10:18] <Trevinho> you'll love it :-)
[10:19] <Laney> giving me a warm fuzzy feeling inside
[10:19] <Laney> seeing such top quality work
[10:19] <Laney> 😘😘😘😘😘
[10:34] <Laney> cyphermox: right, this unity-settings-daemon thing
[10:34] <Laney> what's the best way to test it?
[11:37] <Laney> oh look, unity went in
[12:10] <cyphermox> Laney: the right way to test it is to make sure the scaling works, but it requires some HiDPI hardware
[12:10] <jbicha> good morning
[12:11] <cyphermox> otherwise you can start ubiquity and make sure the desktop background still shows up in the "Install" session (Try doesn't use ubiquity-dm), and perhaps with sufficient logging you can see that things happen the way you expected them to
[12:12] <cyphermox> Laney: if you add "debug-ubiquity" to the command-line (hit F6) you can put ubiquity in debug mode, then the logs will be in /var/log/installer/debug
[12:20] <seb128> hey cyphermox jbicha
[12:31] <seb128> jbicha, you merged e-d-s/evo but you don't plan to upload yet right?
[12:32] <jbicha> seb128: right, but is tonight ok? or the weekend?
[12:33] <seb128> well unsure, I though we wanted to clear some of the transitions before
[12:33] <seb128> check with Laney I would say, he has a better overview of the proposed state
[12:33] <ochosi> hey folks!
[12:33] <seb128> but next week is still fine, no feature freeze yet
[12:33] <seb128> hey ochosi! how are you?
[12:33] <ochosi> quick question, has anything changed wrt compiz's window decorator in 16.10? people are reporting my theme suddenly has square corners (instead of rounded ones)
[12:34] <jhodapp> hey willcooke, seb128
[12:34] <ochosi> seb128: good good :) trying to get a release of my theme out
[12:34] <seb128> hey jhodapp!
[12:34] <seb128> ochosi, that's one for Trevinho
[12:34] <jhodapp> hey hey :)
[12:34] <ochosi> ok thanks, i'll ping him with it directly :)
[12:34] <seb128> could be a gtk 3.20 side effect?
[12:34] <ochosi> Trevinho: hey! quick question, has anything changed wrt compiz's window decorator in 16.10? people are reporting my theme suddenly has square corners (instead of rounded ones)
[12:35] <ochosi> i dunno, i didn't think that normal window decos had anything to do with gtk
[12:35] <jhodapp> seb128, we are upgrading the phone gstreamer to 1.8.x right now...it's in silo 58 in fact
[12:35] <ochosi> those are drawn by compiz or metacity, right?
[12:35] <seb128> jhodapp, nice, any opinion on 1.9 for yakkety?
[12:35] <seb128> ochosi, right, I though you were speaking headerbar/csd
[12:35] <seb128> but let's wait for Marco
[12:36] <jhodapp> seb128, I haven't looked at the changelog yet, but why go with a dev version? Is there something compelling in there?
[12:36] <ochosi> no, curiously it only seems to affect "normal" ssd windows
[12:36] <seb128> jhodapp, well it's dev cycle, we would get 1.10 before release so get that stable version
[12:38] <jhodapp> seb128, it'd be nice for the desktop and the phone to be in sync for a little bit ;)
[12:38] <seb128> the phone needs to catch up! :p
[12:39] <jhodapp> seb128, hehe
[12:40] <jhodapp> willcooke, btw, yesterday I got media-hub, music-app, unity8 music-scope and indicator-sound in unity8 all working together on the desktop :)
[12:40] <seb128> jhodapp, nice ;-)
[12:44] <willcooke> seb128, nice!!
[12:44] <seb128> jhodapp, ^
[12:44] <seb128> :-)
[12:45] <willcooke> oh
[12:45] <willcooke> oops
[12:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[12:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, the recent cups changes in debian removed the ubuntu patches and made it fail to build on ubuntu, could you have a look?
[12:45] <jhodapp> video isn't playing, but we agreed that's ok for a first go at it
[12:46] <jhodapp> we'll have to finalize our hardware acceleration approach for video playback on the desktop
[12:46] <seb128> get vaapi to work and willcooke is going to buy you lot of beer rounds ;-)
[12:46] <willcooke> \o/
[12:47] <jhodapp> haha
[12:47] <jhodapp> isn't he going to buy me lots of beer anyway? ;)
[12:47] <willcooke> of course
[12:47] <willcooke> :D
[12:55] <Trevinho> ochosi: gtk has changed, you need to update your .css to make selectors to work
[12:56] <Trevinho> ochosi: something like https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/gtk320.unity/+merge/298072 should work
[13:03] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: thx, patched.
[13:03] <jbicha> seb128: I'm thinking about evolution 3.22 for yakkety because it ports to webkit2
[13:03] <jbicha> while https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?id=6c3cff9 isn't bad,
[13:04] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=332789f is an awfully big commit to backport
[13:06] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark1, how are you?
[13:06] <seb128> jbicha, I didn't look at the details of the 2.20->22 change but it looks like yakkety should have new enough libs for it and it's not too crazy, so why not
[13:07] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: heya.
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: merging some more packaging tweaks for 5.2 dpkg, which should be good then.
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: the theming stuff is still annoying though ...
[13:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, great, aiming for a friday upload? ;-)
[13:08] <seb128> I can imagine :-/
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah, should work.
[13:09] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, yw, did you manage to successfully build 5.2.0 against current yakkety-proposed?
[13:10] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: needed to cherry-pick a change from debian: -draw needs some stuff we used to have in -impress, thus running draw without having impress installed created nasty crashers ...
[13:10] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: yes, did so twice this week on multiple archs. why?
[13:13] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, 5.2.1.1 build freezes at "[build CUT] sd_export_tests" on yakkety
[13:13] <ricotz> see the prerelease ppa
[13:13] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: meh.
[13:14] <ricotz> orcus and xixion isnt using boost1.61 yet afaics
[13:14] <ricotz> so I am curious if 5.2.0 magically succeeds on the yakkety archive builders
[13:15] <ricotz> *libixion
[13:20] <jibel> cyphermox, can you look at bug 1611010 ?
[13:27] <hikiko> i forgot to change my nickname :p
[13:35] <seb128> hey hikiko
[13:36] <Sweet5hark1> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7e/TDFAnnualReport2015LR.pdf <- still no news on my helicopter in there.
[13:36] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[13:36] <hikiko> I was there...
[13:36] <hikiko> just forgot the nick since lunch break 5 hrs ago :p
[13:37] <hikiko> \m/
[13:37] <Sweet5hark1> despite TDF spending 518.000 EUR in 2015: no helicopter.
[13:38] <qengho> hikiko: Five hour lunch? What, are you French?
[13:39] <seb128> qengho, not friday yet!
[13:40] <hikiko> hahaha
[13:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, do you possibly have time to revisit bug #1607937? Patched 3.16 with that commit.
[13:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, sure, thanks for working on that!
[13:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great, thanks!
[13:42] <seb128> yw!
[13:45] <cyphermox> jibel: ack
[13:49] <Laney> cyphermox: don't need hidpi to test the signal stuff?
[13:49] <Laney> I do have hardware, but it's my laptop and I would prefer not to use it directly :-)
[13:49] <cyphermox> Laney: well, you can approximate it doing the right thing if xsettings really does show up and then the desktop background, etc.
[13:49] <Laney> right
[13:50] <Laney> now how to get ubiquity onto it early enough
[13:50] <Laney> cyphermox: how do I get VTs when in ubiquity-dm?
[13:51] <Laney> or would a systemd debug shell work?
[13:51] <cyphermox> you don't
[13:51] <cyphermox> add break=bottom that will get you in the system before ubiquity starts
[13:52] <Laney> it would be easier to be able to iterate by restarting lightdm
[13:56]  * Laney has started the debug shell
[14:10] <ricotz> Laney, hey :), I see you are fighting with ffmpeg, please don't ignore that 3.1.2-1 is available
[14:11] <Laney> One thing at a time
[14:13] <ricotz> ok
[14:14] <Laney> ricotz: Also it doesn't contain that commit
[14:19] <ricotz> Laney, I mean no need to waste time on this old release, but alright
[14:19] <seb128> the new one might be buggy in other exciting ways ;-)
[14:20] <Laney> ok, thanks - I saw it yesterday but it doesn't have the fix, so it was less risky to just find the commit and take that than try to merge at the same time
[14:20] <Laney> feel free to re-merge after it goes in
[14:22] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, sure
[14:23] <ricotz> this is just my opinions by looking at the upstream release dates
[14:23] <seb128> right, it's a fine balance between newest and stable
[15:30] <jbicha> anyone want to try to get the gspell tests to pass on autopkgtest.u.c? bug 1610588
[15:31] <seb128> jbicha, that gspell MIR, is the issue that builder don't have a session bus? didyou try with dbus-run-session
[15:31] <seb128> lol
[15:31] <seb128> I was just typing about that
[15:31] <seb128> look a gnome-keyring or policykit
[15:31] <seb128> jbicha, e.g http://sources.debian.net/src/gcr/3.20.0-2/debian/rules/?hl=25#L25
[15:48] <seppestas> Hi, are there any plans to fully support the Freedesktop StatusNotifierItem specification (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/) on Ubuntu?
[15:49] <seppestas> I would like to do it, but it kind of contradicts the Ubuntu Design guides regarding status menu's (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines)
[15:50] <seb128> seppestas, hey, there is no plan to change from the current ubuntu design no
[15:52] <qengho> seppestas: Is this an x/y question? You're asking about StatusNotifierItem, but that is a facility for doing something. What is it you want to do?
[15:52] <seb128> going for some exercice, bbl
[15:52] <seppestas> seb128: But what about the design guidelines? I.e, would code that allows applications to draw stuff when the status menu icon is pressed be submitted in the Unity panel / libappindicator?
[15:55] <seppestas> 'cause in the current state Ubuntu is inconsistent with other operating systems for the sake of consistency
[15:55] <seppestas> (and by Ubuntu I mean Ubuntu Unity)
[16:06] <seppestas> So specifically: If I put code in the Unity service panel so that it sends an Activate method (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/StatusNotifierItem/#activate) when an menu status is clicked and if I put code in libappindicator so that applications can use those events, for things that might not comply with the Ubuntu Status Menu design guidelines, would pull request ever be accepted?
[16:07] <seppestas> s/request/requests
[16:11] <ximion> Laney willcooke: Ever wondered why GNOME Software shows nothing but apps? (not even addons)
[16:11] <ximion> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/2c479053850958575c8de50fbee4433ec05019d3
[16:11] <willcooke> ximion, ahh.  I thought it was a design decision
[16:11] <willcooke> interesting
[16:12] <ximion> willcooke: for apps, yes - but this means that also fonts, addons, input-methods, etc. won't be shown
[16:12] <willcooke> ahh, kk
[16:13] <ximion> willcooke: I wonder if this warrants a fix in Xenial... Afterall, addons should really be shown (e.g. for gedit)
[16:13] <ximion> for this to work, this patch needs to be taken too https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/2c479053850958575c8de50fbee4433ec05019d3
[16:13] <willcooke> ximion, I'm +1 - will speak to Robert
[16:14] <ximion> this is really insane...
[16:14]  * ximion should have investigated why addons don't show up way earlier
[16:15] <Laney> you linked the same commit twice
[16:17] <ximion> copy-pasting is hard....
[16:17] <ximion> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/ea8b160c8f05ae018dcf54181204cc5740c2aa1c
[16:19] <ximion> Laney: I also got an email from vlc people yesterday, wondering why their app isn't showing up in Ubuntu
[16:19] <ximion> might be the good old Contents-file-not-up2date issue
[16:20] <ximion> jbicha said it would also not show up on Debian, but I couldn't reproduce this here
[16:21] <jbicha> ximion: it does show up in Debian with 'appstreamcli search vlc' but not in the Software app
[16:23] <ximion> jbicha: does appstream-util search vlc give any results?
[16:23] <Trevinho> EOD here... See you tomorrow.
[16:24] <Laney> don't ask me
[16:24] <Laney> the icon was always in vlc-data
[16:25] <ximion> jbicha: or rather: can you run killall gnome-software; gnome-software --verbose and paste the full outout somewhere?
[16:25] <jbicha> bash: appstream-util: command not found
[16:25] <ximion> the Debian data itself is fine: https://appstream.debian.org/data/stretch/main/
[16:25] <ximion> (also the icon is there)
[16:27] <Laney> I'll re-run for vlc, just in case
[16:27] <ximion> for the Ubuntu data, I have no idea what happened there - the dep11gen algorithm should have found the right icon
[16:27] <Laney> One day I'll get time to work on asgen
[16:27] <jbicha> ximion: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/406303/
[16:27] <Laney> re-running is stupid, it relies on people noticing
[16:27] <Laney> need to switch
[16:28] <ximion> jbicha: also looks like an appstream-glib bug
[16:30] <Laney> cyphermox: getting there
[16:30] <Laney> don't know if I will get all the way before EOD
[16:31] <ximion> jbicha: could actually also be an issue in GS icon-refine
[16:32] <cyphermox> ok
[16:33] <ximion> jbicha: I'll update GS and asglib in Debian, let's see if that changes anything
[16:40] <ximion> jbicha: can you also paste the output of appstreamcli status?
[16:41] <jbicha> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/406309/
[16:42] <ximion> okay, so the icon sets are there
[17:02] <Laney> cyphermox: got to go now, do you want my wip or shall I try to finish it fully on monday?
[17:05] <Laney> WTF
[17:06] <Laney> right, sorry, got to go - but I've fixed it apart from checking the name of the signal
[17:08] <Laney> happy weekend!
[17:26] <willcooke> night all
[17:28] <seb128> Laney, have a nice w.e!
[23:07] <liuxg> does anyone know what it means "while [ ! -f "$mysqld_pid_file_path" -o ! -S "$mysql_socket_file_path" ]; do ...." I do not fully understand the "-o ! -S" part, thanks
[23:07] <sarnold> -o means "or"
[23:07] <sarnold> ! means not
[23:07] <sarnold> -S probably means "file of type socket"
[23:08] <liuxg> sarnold, thanks for your explanation.