[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <robru> \o
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:03:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:03] <slangasek> robru caribou cyphermox mwhudson sil2100 xnox infinity bdmurray pitti slangasek doko chiluk barry tdaitx
[15:03] <robru> yay!
[15:03] <cyphermox> oh, so close
[15:03] <robru> very short week due to vacation mon-wed
[15:03] <chiluk> slangasek: caribou is on vacation this week.
[15:04] <robru> started porting publish job from jenkins to bileto, but just a tiny stub, not functional yet
[15:04] <robru> (done)
[15:04] <slangasek> chiluk: copy, thanks
[15:04] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:04] <cyphermox> trusty:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - investigate upgrade prompt bug for shim-signed (bug LP: #1607929)
[15:04] <cyphermox> yakkety:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - NetworkManager bugs (bug LP: #1589401)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - check legacy grub uses in grub-installer
[15:04] <cyphermox>  - console-conf networking code
[15:04] <cyphermox> - debug ubiquity non-english translation crash (bug LP: #1611010)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - debugging network-manager openvpn split-tunnelling (bug LP: #1603898)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - shim extendedKeyUsage code
[15:04] <cyphermox> - test & upload new shim
[15:04] <cyphermox> - validate grub -> grub2 upgrade path
[15:04] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:05] <sil2100> Is mwhudson actually around at this time? ;)
[15:05] <cyphermox> doubtful
[15:05] <sil2100> Ok, so my turn
[15:05] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:05] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:05] <sil2100> - Touch xenial:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Reverted repowerd on xenial as well (which has now re-landed with fixes)
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Reviewed libhybris arm64-fix branches, coordinating landing
[15:05] <sil2100> - Experimenting with snappy and snaps
[15:05] <sil2100> - Update touch seeds per management requests
[15:05] <sil2100> - Staging a golang-1.6 forward-port from trusty with package rebuilds
[15:05] <sil2100> - Various updates to landing-team-tools, cleanup
[15:05] <sil2100> - Re-spinning snapshot-based OTA-12 emulator images + copying to stable
[15:05] <sil2100> - Familiarizing with bileto code, proposing small bugfix for PPA descriptions
[15:05] <sil2100> - zeromq3 update request:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Experimented with libzmq git snapshot package, refreshed patches
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Prepped syncing zmqpp from upstream + the required patch from devel
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Built test packages
[15:06] <sil2100> - Looked into the general migration issues in yakkety for touch-based packages
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Prepared chroot, tried parsing update_output, waiting for transitions to finish
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <xnox> * merging all the things
[15:06] <xnox> * Build atlas with zEC12 optimisations on s390x, and POWER8 timings on ppc64el (with coordination in Debian)
[15:06] <xnox> * fix FTBFS dbus-cpp (gcc-6)
[15:06] <xnox> * coordinate improved s390x support upstream in screenfetch, upload to yakkety
[15:06] <xnox> * oprofile SRU to xenial for goldmont & z13 support
[15:06] <xnox> * openssl SRU to xenial in the unapproved queue
[15:06] <xnox> * zua - implement whitelist builds only
[15:06] <xnox> *  s390x bugproxy wants new kernels, but apw is on holiday =)
[15:06] <xnox> ..
[15:06] <doko> they are working on the kernel, I'm told ...
[15:07] <infinity>  * glibc 2.24 work, still sorting out some locale issues
[15:07] <infinity>  * a bit of kernel SRU help
[15:07] <infinity> (done)
[15:07] <xnox> well, i'm not building a kernel on a debie's laptop and giving IBM to take that for a spin on their mainframes ;-)
[15:07] <infinity> xnox: "new kernel" in what sense?
[15:07] <xnox> infinity, 4.7 or 4.8
[15:08] <bdmurray> modified mojo spec / charms to use swift for apport code storage
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into RT 90399 daisy Traceback
[15:08] <bdmurray> submitted test crashes to lift and shift ET (rt 90399)
[15:08] <bdmurray> update daisy to stop accepting / retracing wily crashes
[15:08] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy updated in staging / production
[15:08] <infinity> xnox: Well, 4.6 is landing soon.  4.7 will follow.
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE support wording changes
[15:08] <bdmurray> wrote HWE support test case for testers
[15:08] <bdmurray> research into / fixing of HWE support multi-arch issue
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE multi-arch fix
[15:08] <bdmurray> reported bug 1611982 re missing packages in HWE X stack
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated update-notifier w/ hwe support for Trusty
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded improved fix for LP: #1579834
[15:08] <bdmurray> updated bug bot with 16.04.1 iso ident information
[15:08] <bdmurray> uploaded u-r-u for X fixing LP: #1611909
[15:08] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <slangasek> pitti is on vacation
[15:09] <slangasek>  * slow week, taking me a long time to recover from cold
[15:09] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image spec finalization
[15:09] <slangasek>  * console-conf design discussions
[15:09] <slangasek>  * finishing a handful of merges before Feature Freeze
[15:09] <slangasek>  * proposed-migration nudging
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> doko:
[15:09] <doko> - binutils 2.27
[15:09] <doko> - got gnat-6 into the release pocket
[15:09] <doko> - working on build failures, transitions ...
[15:09] <doko> - look at gcc bugs, upstream, ...
[15:09] <doko> - prepare GCC linaro builds
[15:09] <doko> - look at "Killed" build failures, reduce parallelism during the build. not sure if that is the right way ...
[15:09] <doko> - openjdk-9 update
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:10] <chiluk> - just opened lp#1612294 - not sure if anything can be done, but it's annoying.
[15:10] <chiluk> - other than that, mostly working ceph cases as most of my team have been on vacation the last few weeks.
[15:10] <chiluk> - Vacation Friday - Got Lasik
[15:10] <chiluk> (done)
[15:10] <barry> ubuntu-image: LP: #1605434 (more-parsing branch); gadget-yaml branch (WIP); prepare-image branch; sample-data branch
[15:10] <barry> debuntu: python-coverage sponsorship; pyparsing 2.1.6+dfsg1-1; LP: #1611503; various other discussions; claws-mail merge from Debian before FF (WIP)
[15:10] <barry> --done--
[15:11] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK security update
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Fixed broken JamVM: 2 new native methods were introduced in sun.misc.Unsafe and had to be implemented in JamVM as well (LP: #1611598); a bug has been reported to both JamVM and IcedTea and fixes have been provided for review
[15:11] <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 8 packages with JamVM seem to be broken as well but jtreg is not being run, working on that
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Waiting for 8u102 backport to be approved on aarch64-port to update the source package
[15:11] <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 7 builds still segfaults on Trusty on Arm64 (but it doe eventually passes); it used to be that building on trusty-security only segfaulted and trust-updates didn't, but now both have the same version; under investigation
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Keeping an eye on errors report related to LP: #1609190
[15:11] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:11] <tdaitx> - Went through a few bug reports
[15:11] <tdaitx> = AOB
[15:11] <tdaitx> - landline+adsl installed and working at 50/6 Mbps, torrents ups and running (for ISOs I say); also got a new battery for my UPS (does anyone else calls it a "no-break" besides Brazilians?)
[15:11] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:12] <xnox> bug #1612294
[15:12] <doko> tdaitx, is this with pch enabled? if yes, please can you try to disable that?
[15:14] <slangasek> chiluk: the timestamp is added by the syslog server, which systemd can only dump to once syslog is started
[15:14] <slangasek> so systemd can either send this info or not, but not control the timestamp
[15:14] <xnox> read journal?
[15:14] <chiluk> slangasek: Yeah I'm aware.. doesn't mean I can't bitch about it .. or at least get it documented.
[15:14] <slangasek> ok
[15:15] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[15:15] <infinity> Can't reasonably fix the timestamp thing, but the order is definitely a bug.
[15:15] <chiluk> slangasek ... If there's ever a discussion about switching away from systemd.. this will just be one more bit of ammo.
[15:15] <xnox> do we even have syslog by default? i thought we just use journal, and make that syslog.
[15:15] <slangasek> chiluk: switching away from systemd to what? :)
[15:15]  * chiluk misses upstart..
[15:15]  * xnox systeme
[15:15] <infinity> xnox: We definitely have syslog.
[15:16] <slangasek> xnox: absolutely not.  we don't bury our logs in a non-standard binary db :)
[15:16] <xnox> ok. I can't tell with my frankenstein machines =)
[15:16] <infinity> slangasek: Of course it's a standard, Lennart declared it thus.
[15:16]  * xnox ponders if we should make journal dump plaintext logs and rotate that.
[15:17] <xnox> aka pg_dump for journald
[15:17] <slangasek> orrr we could continue using the perfectly good syslog that we already have infrastructure for
[15:17] <infinity> xnox: And that would be better than a standard syslog interface how?
[15:17] <sil2100> Asking for the last time: anyone against me updating zeromq3 to the latest git snapshot? ;)
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: So, sorry, I'm only half awake.  You said this was for scopes people, which implies maybe phone work?
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: Which implies they'd want this in xenial?
[15:18] <sil2100> infinity: yes, actually for ubuntu-personal
[15:18] <infinity> sil2100: s/phone/unity8/ then.
[15:18] <tdaitx> doko, thanks, I will check that
[15:18] <sil2100> Since they need that to get things working for snappy
[15:18] <sil2100> Yeah
[15:19] <infinity> sil2100: If this is only for yakkety *and* a real upstream release is around the corner, then fine.  If this is for xenial, then hahahaha no.
[15:19] <xnox> sil2100, snap zeromq3 ? =/
[15:19] <infinity> Or tell people that relying on features in git isn't really the way forward?
[15:19] <sil2100> I'm prepping it for yakkety right now, don't know anything about xenial - but who knows ;)
[15:19] <sil2100> Anyway yeah, the new version will be out soonish I guess
[15:19] <doko> sil2100, well, if all rdeps work with it ...
[15:20] <xnox> wait they want to put zeromq3 on every client? isn't that a bit heavy weight?
[15:20] <sil2100> No changes in symbols, just a few ones added
[15:20] <infinity> xnox: It's not.
[15:20] <infinity> xnox: It's quite little, in fact, which is the appeal.
[15:21] <xnox> ok.
[15:21] <infinity> xnox: Think of it like the sqlite of the MQ world.
[15:21] <infinity> xnox: An MQ with no engine, just a library and a socket.
[15:22] <slangasek> and incorrect case-insensitive matching behavior? :)
[15:23] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not sure the sqlite analogy extends that far. ;)
[15:23] <xnox> "like sqlite" ?! =)
[15:23] <slangasek> xnox: he didn't say "like couchdb", so it must be ok
[15:23] <infinity> (But it probably has similar failings... The size tradeoff is likely similarly worth it, though)
[15:24] <infinity> So, since we seem to have devolved into AOB, despite a topic change...
[15:24] <infinity> despite a lack of topic change.
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:25] <infinity> Has anyone seen bizarre issues on Intel GPUs with an up-to-date yakkety?
[15:25] <sil2100> I'll be on holidays on Monday
[15:25] <infinity> Like, flickering, render tearing, world exploding spectacularly requiring a reboot...
[15:25] <sil2100> I mean, one-day national holiday
[15:25]  * xnox points out that Cold Water by Justin Bieber & Make me by Britney Spears are amazing songs
[15:26] <tdaitx> doko, so, I do have your latest patches (from debian's 7u111-2.6.7-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 for arm64 pch) but the build is not using disable-precompiled-headers, I will retry it with that and see how it goes
[15:26]  * sil2100 still didn't figure out when to take his holidays
[15:26] <xnox> infinity, define bizarre?
[15:26] <xnox> and desktop / mobile / ultramobile graphics?
[15:26] <bdmurray> infinity: I've seen flickering
[15:26] <xnox> flickering yes.
[15:26] <infinity> xnox: Broadwell-U
[15:26] <xnox> also disable / uninstall flash plugin
[15:26] <cyphermox> secure boot magic win, yay.
[15:26] <xnox> oh the worst of them all.
[15:26] <cyphermox> ^ that was AOB ;)
[15:27] <slangasek> "secure boot magic win"?
[15:27] <xnox> I'm on skylake and it's ok. I don't think Broadwell-U was ever fixed.
[15:27] <cyphermox> https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/
[15:27] <infinity> Alright, if everyone's seeing flickering, I at least know not to assume my laptop is dying.
[15:27] <slangasek> the magic won? you won the magic?
[15:27] <infinity> Now to figure out who to yell at.
[15:27] <cyphermox> nah
[15:27] <cyphermox> there was no magic
[15:27] <cyphermox> and much less won.
[15:27] <xnox> is that just ARM keys, or x86_64 keys too?
[15:27] <slangasek> well, /we/ win, because now we can put Ubuntu on all the Windows ARM devices :)
[15:27] <cyphermox> shrugs
[15:28] <slangasek> xnox: ARM only
[15:28] <cyphermox> I checked, it doesn't include any of our shim hashes
[15:28] <xnox> cause if it is just ARM keys, then it's intentional leak to open up the platform, as microsoft todate refused / didn't sign anybody else for that.
[15:28] <slangasek> uhm
[15:28] <slangasek> conspiracy theory much? :)
[15:29] <cyphermox> I wasn't under the impression this was only ARM though.
[15:29] <infinity> slangasek: Have you met Dmitri?
[15:29] <cyphermox> did the reptilian overlords already get him?
[15:30]  * xnox saw new star trek, was very confused about lack of either aliens or predators
[15:31] <barry> xnox: saw it in imax 3d the day it premiered.  still pretty awesome
[15:32] <infinity> xnox: Pretty sure Kirk is a predator.
[15:32] <barry> infinity: only the shatnerkirk
[15:33] <barry> aoaob?
[15:33] <infinity> barry: Nah, the new Kirk is too.  They set that up in the very first movie.
[15:35] <bdmurray> he was even hiding under a bed in that one
[15:35] <barry> shatner would have never hid under a bed
[15:35] <barry> s/would/could/
[15:36] <infinity> That's because Shatner's Kirk lived in a 60s sci-fi world where beds were either welded to the ground or floating 4 feet in the air.
[15:36] <cyphermox> heh. I still have total respect for McCoy, who had the worst job of them all
[15:36] <infinity> cyphermox: McCoy worked on Secure Boot?
[15:37] <cyphermox> no, he cured Kirk's STDs.
[15:37] <infinity> Similar.
[15:37] <cyphermox> that's still a little bit above working on Secure Boot ;)
[15:37] <barry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms
[15:37] <barry> the 60s were so awesome
[15:38] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 15:38:22 2016 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-08-11-15.03.moin.txt
[15:38] <slangasek> thanks, all :)
[15:38] <barry> slangasek is so herbert
[15:38] <barry> :)
[15:38] <barry> thanks!