[00:00] <flying_sausages> oh god it's Intel 82945G
[00:00] <flying_sausages> whatever the hell that is
[00:00] <daftykins> anyway, sounds like 1) 16.04 ISO boot from GRUB 2) PLOP ISO boot from GRUB 3) network boot from another host 4) give up and do a horrible, horrible upgrade slowly
[00:00] <daftykins> ok you shouldn't even install a modern OS on that machine - i'm not even kidding
[00:01] <daftykins> and if you do, you should be looking at xubuntu or lubuntu - definitely not vanilla ubuntu
[00:01] <flying_sausages> yeah I'll switch to xfce after I install but that can just be done via terminal
[00:01] <flying_sausages> or indeed lubuntu still gotta choose
[00:01] <daftykins> just get the right ISO to begin with
[00:02] <flying_sausages> it can run 64, just not graphics...
[00:02] <flying_sausages> 3GHz Pentium 4
[00:02] <daftykins> mmm no, that should not even be used right now
[00:03] <daftykins> i have 2009 core 2 duos here that people don't even want
[00:03] <daftykins> that system should be retired and recycled
[00:03] <flying_sausages> hahahaha we can't all be choosers
[00:03] <flying_sausages> and after all it runs, which is good enough for my mum
[00:03] <daftykins> i bet the disk in there is even failing :(
[00:03]  * daftykins looks at diddledan 
[00:04] <flying_sausages> hmmmm we replaced those a couple years back
[00:04] <diddledan> daftykins: don't you dare :-p
[00:04] <daftykins> XD
[00:04] <flying_sausages> now it's a whopping 80GB hdd
[00:04] <diddledan> 80GB?!
[00:04] <daftykins> i'm not kidding, next to nothing cost wise could get such a better machine
[00:04] <diddledan> that's teeny
[00:05] <daftykins> she may not need much, but how much do you value your mothers sanity for using it - and your own for supporting it?
[00:05] <flying_sausages> After 6 or so years it's only got 25 GBs filled, including win10
[00:05] <flying_sausages> it's just filled with .docs
[00:05] <daftykins> 10 was definitely a very bad idea
[00:05] <flying_sausages> yeeeeeeeah
[00:05] <flying_sausages> hahahahah
[00:05] <daftykins> i don't think P4s were 64-bit though, so it must be something else
[00:05] <daftykins> grep -i model /proc/cpuinfo
[00:06] <flying_sausages> doesn't say if it's 64, just model:4, the name, and all that twice
[00:07] <flying_sausages> guessing two cores
[00:07] <daftykins> can you not just paste it here
[00:08] <flying_sausages> daftykins running this irc client on another machine
[00:08] <daftykins> keyboard.
[00:08] <flying_sausages> I'll ssh in and paste it :D
[00:09] <daftykins> supreme lazy++
[00:09] <flying_sausages> uname -a // Linux office 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:09] <daftykins> uname -a is very different to grep...
[00:10] <flying_sausages> model		: 4
[00:10] <flying_sausages> model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[00:10] <flying_sausages> model		: 4
[00:10] <flying_sausages> model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[00:10] <daftykins> now "grep -i flags /proc/cpuinfo"
[00:10] <daftykins> you only need one set since they're identical
[00:10] <flying_sausages> indeed they are
[00:10] <flying_sausages> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
[00:10] <daftykins> mmm lm indeed
[00:11] <daftykins> ah well, it's a turd so it's a waste of time doing anything with
[00:11] <flying_sausages> i have no idea what i'm looking at or for hahaha
[00:11] <flying_sausages> daftykins well it's connected to 80Mb/s line so seedbox worthy
[00:11] <flying_sausages> it boots haha
[00:11] <daftykins> ah so now we find out the real reason you want it...
[00:11] <flying_sausages> that, and openvpn
[00:12] <flying_sausages> stepfather goes to china for work
[00:13] <daftykins> VPS would make more sense
[00:13] <daftykins> anyway, you have your options!
[00:13] <flying_sausages> yeah but why pay for something when you can recycle an ancient ruin and have it for free
[00:13] <daftykins> all of them are wrong on said museum piece
[00:13] <flying_sausages> that's what I love about linux :p
[00:14] <daftykins> because it's going to run rubbishly - and anyone telling you otherwise is enabling time wasting
[00:14] <flying_sausages> is there any general benchamrk linux machines can go by?
[00:14] <flying_sausages> just curious what this thing would tell me
[00:15] <daftykins> ask anyone what they think of a Pentium 4 and if they understand hardware they'll laugh
[00:15] <daftykins> it doesn't require metric to be proven
[00:15] <daftykins> *metrics
[00:16] <flying_sausages> gah I'm off to pcpartpicker hahahah
[00:17] <daftykins> i have core 2 quads here i can't even sell for like £100
[00:17] <daftykins> even with SSDs in
[00:29] <flying_sausages> daftykins thanks again for the help, I'll try to boot from the usb via grub and then throw this thing away once I found out I can do it ha
[00:31] <daftykins> ;]
[00:31] <daftykins> lu/xubuntu ISO, or PLOP
[00:31]  * diddledan plops
[00:31] <daftykins> i'm gonna plop off to bed!
[00:31] <daftykins> nn all \o
[00:31] <diddledan> tata
[06:34] <knightwise> morning
[06:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:47] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[06:48] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise ?
[07:24] <knightwise> Doin ok
[07:24] <knightwise> Lot to do this week :( ..
[07:31] <MooDoo> yeah tell me about it, collegue is off this week
[07:45] <knightwise> Just getting at this "perfect shitstorm" moment where everyone wants everything at the same time
[08:00] <MooDoo> knightwise: the best ones are, I need it for 10am, and 09:57 :)
[08:00] <MooDoo> s/and/at
[08:07] <knightwise> yep , an the "i'll procrastinate as long as I can and then we will get to it next week" approach
[08:07] <knightwise> where the client puts stuff off right untill the end
[08:08] <MooDoo> "we have visitors in the office, wheres the presentation I forgot to ask you to do" :)
[08:11] <SuperMatt> to which you always reply "lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"
[08:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: definately
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:48] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[08:51] <brobostigon> MooDoo: average, and you?
[08:51] <JohnHunt> lol you're not British are you?
[08:52] <MooDoo> brobostigon: I'm ok thanks :)
[08:53] <MooDoo> JohnHunt: most of us are british here, and we enjoy a spiffing time drinking tea, can't you tell from how Jolly we all are what? ;)
[08:53] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[09:03] <SuperMatt> tea drinking is declining
[09:03] <SuperMatt> and I'm one of those tea shirkers sending tetley's stocks plumetting
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Son and Daughter Day! 😃
[09:28] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:30] <JamesTait> 👋 MooDoo
[09:44] <JohnHunt> MooDoo: brits always say 'I'm fine thanks' even if in the depths of dispair
[09:44] <JohnHunt> :p
[09:45] <popey> hello JohnHunt, long time no see
[09:45] <JohnHunt> yes, been busy
[09:45] <JohnHunt> became a dad in December
[09:45] <JohnHunt> 'nuff said right? :)
[09:46] <JohnHunt> I just happened to be on freenode, thought I'd pop in here
[09:46] <JohnHunt> are you still an ubuntu ambassador?
[09:49] <popey> hehe
[11:59] <knightwise> Ok :) Got the oll chromebook back from a loan
[12:00] <knightwise> What to do with it ...
[12:00] <knightwise> (perhaps turn it into a cheap carry-everywhere linux box ? )
[12:00] <knightwise> Thinking of running Kali on it
[12:02] <BigRedS> just wander round pentesting things? :)
[12:04] <knightwise> BigRedS: kinda
[12:04] <knightwise> Got me the kali cookbook
[12:04] <knightwise> and the social engineering guide
[12:08] <BigRedS> ooh, actually that sounds like the sort of thing I should probably have a crack at
[12:09] <knightwise> I think I can run it on Crouton but i'm not a 100 percent sure if things like wifi sniffers will have direct access to the hardware
[12:12] <BigRedS> ooh, the kindle edition of that looks a bit carelessly assembled
[12:12] <BigRedS> only £2 though...
[12:52] <knightwise> BigRedS: 2 ?
[12:54] <knightwise> BigRedS: I found the pdf versions of both books somewhere
[13:08] <brmbrmcar> freenode is overdue to go off!
[13:08] <foobarry> packtpub were giving it away the other day
[13:09] <Myrtti> brmbrmcar: to go off?
[13:09] <foobarry> i forgot to check the site and missed it though
[13:09] <brmbrmcar> 22:28:59 -e(e@freenode/staff/spy.edk)- [global notice] freenode webchat will be offline for maintenance for a short time tomorrow starting at 13:00 UTC. Sorry for any inconvenience  and thank you for using freenode.
[13:10] <Myrtti> oh, webchat.
[13:10] <brmbrmcar> That is what I mean
[13:10] <brmbrmcar> oh, webchat
[13:10] <MooDoo> I don't use webchat so I'm ok
[13:10] <MooDoo> :)
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> webchat... pffft... kids... :-P
[13:10] <brmbrmcar> Neither do I
[13:10] <brmbrmcar> I thought it was all chat
[13:10] <foobarry> seem to have solved my problem of coaster baking, since mp3 Cds are working at home but not in the car.. use k3b instead and burn at 8x
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> all chat going down would be big and i'd expect to see mention everywhere...
[13:40] <diddledan> here's a fun one for adults: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/07/your_sec_toy_is_spying_on_you_hackers_crack_our_plastic_pals/
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i was thinking about what sort of info you could extrapulate from such a device...
[14:04] <diddledan> next episode of mr robot is on amazon prime
[14:04] <diddledan> (released today)
[14:36] <foobarry> which ep diddledan
[14:36] <foobarry> think i am on se2ep2
[14:36] <diddledan> 5
[14:36] <diddledan> nope, 6
[14:37] <foobarry> ah good
[14:37] <foobarry> has anything happened yet? no spoilers ofc
[14:37] <diddledan> yes.
[14:37] <diddledan> it's getting going now
[14:37] <foobarry> nervous about getting stitched up
[14:37] <diddledan> gathering momentum
[14:37] <foobarry> until last ep where everything dangling i bet
[14:38] <diddledan> prolly
[15:32] <m0nkey_> you guys been watching mr. robot too?
[15:35] <diddledan> yup
[15:37] <bashrc_> I tried watching mr robot, but got distracted
[15:38] <diddledan> bashrc_: by the console-porn in the show?
[15:38] <diddledan> waggott14: fix your connection
[15:38] <bashrc_> I didn't get as far as that. They all seemed to be talking really slowly
[15:46] <BigRedS> yeah, I had a go at watching it, but it turned out it was more about people than computers
[15:56] <foobarry> or drugs and craziness in the case of series 1
[15:57] <JohnHunt> yeah, we got through the first 3 eps
[15:57] <JohnHunt> then it was a bit of a yawnfest
[15:57] <JohnHunt> I heartily recommend watching star trek: the next generation instead
[15:58] <foobarry> i found mr robot compelling but reserved judgement until i know if they are gonna do a lost /under the dome/ etc and string everyone long
[15:58] <foobarry> and sacrifice story for viewers
[15:58] <JohnHunt> yeah heh
[15:58] <JohnHunt> I don't have time for that
[15:58] <JohnHunt> I watch about 2hrs of tv a month
[15:58] <JohnHunt> it's gotta be good
[15:59] <JohnHunt> right, home time
[20:35] <diddledan> ICANN are currently doing a DNSSEC root key refresh ceremony
[20:35] <zmoylan-pi> swapping sacred scrolls?
[20:36] <diddledan> something like that
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> and swapping external hard drives with all their media at the same time... :-P
[20:40] <diddledan> it's VERY analogue
[20:40] <diddledan> but in a digital way
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> they put the keys on vinyl... just like the old 8-bit days...
[20:41] <diddledan> lots of hand-written forms/audit logs. two safes
[20:41] <diddledan> and a little trolly
[20:57] <diddledan> hah, they're using centos for their secure os
[20:58] <diddledan> unclear which release it is tho
[20:58] <diddledan> looks like gnome2
[20:58] <diddledan> so a fairly old one
[21:03] <daftykins> evening all
[21:03] <daftykins> thought i'd go fishing to see what i could catch for playing with this old server :)
[21:03] <daftykins> http://dafty.rocks/stuff/disks.jpg
[21:03] <diddledan> :-o
[21:04] <diddledan> that's a lotta epeen
[21:04] <daftykins> all out of warranty now, 8 x 4TB replaced 'em
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> that's a lorra lorra 1's and 0's
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> i see mention of seagate putting together a <4pb storage system...
[21:07]  * zmoylan-pi checks arthur c. clarkes timeline and seems about on time...
[21:07] <diddledan> isn't 1KB <4PB?
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> depends if you're sandisk or not
[21:09] <diddledan> well surely most storage systems are currently less-than 4 petabytes
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> 3.9pb or so
[21:11] <diddledan> my point is you said seagate are putting together a less-than 4 petabyte system which afaict 1 kilobyte is less-than 4 petabytes
[21:11] <diddledan> I think what you wanted was ~4PB
[21:12]  * zmoylan-pi is more literal and ~4pb is around 4pb whereas <4pb is just under 4pb...
[21:13] <diddledan> no, <4PB means literally ANYTHING BELOW 4PB
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> literally yes but can also be used to imply just under in common usage
[21:17]  * zmoylan-pi will be playing d&d this weekend with pedantic dm so am probably flexing my vague language to irk him... i should do that less... :-P
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> 4pb is kinda special as it was once calculated as capable of storing a text only copy of  library of congress
[21:23] <brobostigon> :D
[21:31] <popey> i remember watching an episode of star trek enterprise where something happened where all the data on the ship computer. it said something like "4 XiB Deleted"
[21:31] <popey> which is convenient that XiB is undefined
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> yeah they don't use binary in trek universe... apart from the binars aiui...
[21:31] <diddledan> xenialbibytes
[21:32] <diddledan> trinary ftw
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> any units they give would date so fast...
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> that it took hours for stations computer to recognise song in ds9 now looks a bit sad...
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> we now expect searches to be _very_ fast even complicated ones
[21:34] <diddledan> don't forget startrek ds9 had the data of MANY civilisations' songs in the databanks
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> so the database is a 100,000 times bigger... it would still be indexed with a much faster computer to search it
[21:34] <diddledan> it prolly had to use shortwave or subspace comms to talk with other computers to get the data
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> considering the trillions of calculations they stuffed into data's skull the space stations computer should be pretty nippy
[21:35] <diddledan> yeah, but it's probably running off a raspi
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> even if it is a cardassisan military jobbie
[21:36] <diddledan> you know what with cutbacks and stuff
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> red leaf pi for the cardassian
[21:36] <diddledan> commies
[21:36] <diddledan> ?
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> so station would have made a quick link to bajor to it's musical database and scored a hit fairly quickly for a bajoran musician
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> whoops trill...
[21:39] <diddledan> at 112k baud?!
[21:39] <diddledan> :-p
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> 300baud bell mode...
[21:40]  * diddledan screeches
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> watch those characters scroll past...
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> or prestel!!
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> v23 1200/75
[21:42]  * diddledan throws up a little bit in his mouth
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> i remember been really excited when they launched minitel in ireland till i learned how they were going to have 0 free services...
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> for some reason i don't understand it didn't take off...
[21:47] <daftykins> all disks plugged in and fired up!
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> daftykins desk now has gyroscopic stabilisers... :-)
[21:48] <daftykins> Model: AMCC 9650SE-8LP DISK (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 12.0TB
[21:48]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how many legs we can cut off desk and still have it remain level... :-P
[21:52] <daftykins> yay juggled a few disks around to have them in numerical order ;)
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> ascending or descending?
[21:53] <daftykins> 0 through 7 from top to bottom!
[21:54] <daftykins> been a few moons since those little guys were verified, so that's what they appear to be doing!
[21:54] <daftykins> hardware RAID is so nice ;)
[21:55]  * zmoylan-pi having only dealt with raid when it goes horribly wrong lumps the technology unfairly in with tape drives which also only came my way when everything went wrong...
[21:57] <diddledan> yeah, but this is daftykins.. if they weren't going horribly wrong before they will do now
[21:58] <daftykins> XD
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> does daftykins have a cat to push the high stack of hard drives off the desk? :-)
[21:59] <daftykins> despite wiping those drives down before i loaded them up in my backpack, my word they were dusty
[21:59] <daftykins> i do! but so far she's only conveyed a hatred toward Apple products
[21:59] <daftykins> clever girl.
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> dust means undisturbed with little vibration
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> expensive cat... seems normal... :-)
[22:00] <daftykins> put her near cables, the white ones get it - none else
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> we had a cat as a kid that bit and chewed everything... my father 'cured' her by rubbing a tiny bit of mustard into his hand and provoking the cat to bite him... the cat learned humans taste horrible that day and started limiting her biting
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> i can still remember her running backwards into the kitchen to drink some milk to get the horrible taste of human out of her mouth
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> 272 to 512 years old... wow, just wow... http://www.nature.com/news/near-blind-shark-is-world-s-longest-lived-vertebrate-1.20406
[22:23] <daftykins> haha