| cmaloney | Evening | 00:21 |
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| greg-g | fuck | 00:22 |
| greg-g | just got done dealing with 2 simultaneous outages/incidents | 00:22 |
| greg-g | new images uploaded were getting stupid black lines across them, and then our CI infra fell over | 00:22 |
| * greg-g signs off | 00:22 | |
| greg-g | adios | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | :( | 00:23 |
| cmaloney | Hope tomorrow is better | 00:24 |
| cmaloney | (also: WTF is with the black lines?) | 00:24 |
| greg-g | gorey details: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142638 | 00:25 |
| cmaloney | brb | 00:27 |
| cmaloney | https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/greg/ <- that is a handsome beard there. | 00:29 |
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| greg-g | cmaloney: why thank you, sadly I cut it off recently (I trimmed it down to 10mm on Sunday, it was trimmed to 20mm a month ago from the gloriousness it was) | 05:18 |
| greg-g | still have a beard, I don't think I'll be clean shaven again in my life (unless something weird happens in my head) | 05:18 |
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| cmaloney | heh | 10:55 |
| shakes808 | morning all | 12:46 |
| shakes808 | wondering if there is anywhere you can point me to get a basic understanding of linux sys admin roles | 12:56 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: what kinds of roles? | 12:57 |
| jcastro | jorgeops! | 12:57 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: just a general understanding of what you need to know to be a linux sys admin. what should one know inside and out and what are the common issues one would come across and need to troubleshoot | 12:59 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: so there was a really good book I loved back in the day | 12:59 |
| jcastro | that's a really open ended question | 12:59 |
| rick_h_ | oreilly system administration | 12:59 |
| jcastro | that's like "how do I scientist?" | 12:59 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: I am going to be starting up my server again and want to get back into admin my own stuff. | 13:00 |
| shakes808 | jcastro: I know, sorry for the endless possibilities that this could lead down | 13:00 |
| jcastro | http://devops.com/2015/02/11/five-great-books-on-devops/ | 13:01 |
| jcastro | more higher level | 13:01 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, this is a sort of "Teach me UNIX" question | 13:02 |
| shakes808 | jcastro: thank you for that | 13:02 |
| cmaloney | if you're doing just basic home-server admin then you'll want to lay out what it is that you're looking to accomplish and go from therem | 13:02 |
| jcastro | I try to do my home server like I would a work server | 13:03 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: that is what i was trying to do 5 years ago, when i started working with you. i want to get back into linux things | 13:03 |
| jcastro | not that I do ops professionally anymore, but I try to understand the new way of doing things | 13:03 |
| cmaloney | jcastro: Same, though I'm not using Ansible on it. :) | 13:03 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: The best way I've found is to use Linux 24/7 | 13:03 |
| cmaloney | as your primary desktop | 13:03 |
| shakes808 | I have a general concept of all the things i want to do for my home server. | 13:03 |
| cmaloney | anything less and you'll be tempted to not do it. | 13:04 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Such as? | 13:04 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: i was doing that until that laptop died. i have another one that I am going to convert. just need to make time | 13:04 |
| shakes808 | i want it to be a file || network share, media, repository... | 13:04 |
| shakes808 | potentially run an email server | 13:05 |
| cmaloney | Which protocols? CIFS? NFS? UPNP? | 13:05 |
| jcastro | I would just skip email | 13:06 |
| jcastro | I mean, it's how I learned, but it's also 2016 | 13:06 |
| shakes808 | that is something that i would need to hash out with someone that knows this stuff to make those deeper decisions | 13:07 |
| jcastro | learn something more applicable | 13:07 |
| shakes808 | jcastro: why skip the email server portion? | 13:07 |
| cmaloney | jcastro: Don't be dissing email. ;) | 13:07 |
| cmaloney | Because jcastro has no compunction over letting gmail be his end-all-be-all | 13:07 |
| jcastro | because there are more important things to learn than managing email servers | 13:07 |
| jcastro | unless you specifically want to become an email engineer or something heh | 13:07 |
| cmaloney | It's still important, but I wouldn't get too down the rabbit-hole of spam prevention | 13:08 |
| jcastro | learn hadoop, or mesos, or kubernetes, or something that is in demand | 13:08 |
| cmaloney | a few remote blacklists and some SPF filtering and you're fine. | 13:08 |
| shakes808 | i just want to know how all that works. i figure i would start with the file || network share. that would seem to be the biggest and most useful to know | 13:08 |
| cmaloney | Hadoop is dead. ;) | 13:08 |
| cmaloney | shakes808: Start from what you need first | 13:09 |
| jcastro | right, people always need file shares, that's a good one | 13:09 |
| cmaloney | Otherwise it's work | 13:09 |
| shakes808 | gotcha | 13:09 |
| cmaloney | So if you need centralized file storage start with that | 13:09 |
| cmaloney | get that working | 13:09 |
| cmaloney | and then figure out the next bit that you need | 13:10 |
| cmaloney | You'll be more motivated for things you need / want than things you think you want | 13:10 |
| shakes808 | sounds about what I was going to do. | 13:10 |
| cmaloney | And while Hadoop / Kubernetes / Mesos are cool you're probably not going to start one of those up on a whim. ;) | 13:11 |
| cmaloney | At least not Hadoop | 13:11 |
| shakes808 | I don't even know what that is :| | 13:14 |
| cmaloney | http://hadoop.apache.org/ | 13:14 |
| cmaloney | It's a distributed database for large sets of data | 13:15 |
| shakes808 | cmaloney: i am on that site already :) | 13:16 |
| shakes808 | thank you | 13:16 |
| cmaloney | np | 13:16 |
| cmaloney | Again, not something that you'll accidentally set up. ;) | 13:16 |
| shakes808 | Thank you all for your input. When I start working on my server again, I will probably be in here quite a bit | 13:19 |
| cmaloney | No worries. At the very least have fun with it | 13:20 |
| shakes808 | that is the idea ;) | 13:20 |
| shakes808 | what would be the best way to set up the server so that windows machines can talk to it? My wife isn't going to switch too linux :| | 13:21 |
| cmaloney | Youll need to set it up as a samba server | 13:21 |
| cmaloney | and that's about as helpful as I can be. :) | 13:21 |
| shakes808 | sounds good :) | 13:22 |
| shakes808 | thank you | 13:22 |
| cmaloney | np | 13:22 |
| jrwren | *gasp* i just glanced and saw jcastro suggesting learning hadoop or mesos? WTF?! | 13:35 |
| * jrwren throws up. | 13:35 | |
| shakes808 | ... did webchat go down for anyone else? | 13:36 |
| jrwren | jcastro: said skip email becuase he gave up and sold his email to google. :p | 13:37 |
| jrwren | even hilary clinton had her own email server. | 13:37 |
| shakes808 | jrwren: HAHAHA | 13:37 |
| shakes808 | I will sign up for that email server ;) | 13:37 |
| jrwren | shakes808: ignore hadoop unless you are doing big data (as in more than you are willing to buy RAM) and since you said home server, you probably don't need hadoop. | 13:38 |
| jrwren | shakes808: check out reddit r/selfhosted | 13:38 |
| shakes808 | jrwren: will look into that | 13:39 |
| shakes808 | thank you | 13:39 |
| jrwren | shakes808: we don't have any good answers, i think, because technology for technologies sake isn't a good solution. If you have a real problem to solve, you'll get good solutions. You fileserver one is a good problem with lots of possible good solutions. | 13:39 |
| Scary_Guy | I'll check it out, in return have you seen reddit.com/r/datahoarding ? | 13:40 |
| jrwren | i've had a linux home server of some form for over 20 yrs now. This makes me feel old. | 13:40 |
| jrwren | i've not seen r/datahoarding | 13:40 |
| Scary_Guy | https://www.reddit.com/r/datahoarder screwed up the name anyway | 13:41 |
| Scary_Guy | it's even in the related subs on the sidebar, neat | 13:42 |
| jrwren | oh, thanks. | 13:43 |
| jrwren | so, datahoarders is more about how to store your hoards of data? I really should follow this, but I feel like I've already got a working system for storing mine. | 13:54 |
| Scary_Guy | I enjoy it, better than having a series of drives just laying about. I really need a better way to organize it all though | 13:57 |
| Scary_Guy | I just saw Seagate made a 60TB SSD. Not RTM yet but hopefully one day | 13:58 |
| cmaloney | That's a scary amount of data to just go "poof" | 13:59 |
| jrwren | you've heard of LVM? | 13:59 |
| Scary_Guy | With 12 drives you've got 1PB | 13:59 |
| cmaloney | I've heard of it. What does that have to do with 60TB SSD go boom? | 13:59 |
| jrwren | ya know what, THAT amount of storage for home is in a whole different world than me. | 14:00 |
| cmaloney | That would be awesome for backups. Write once, never overwrite. ;) | 14:01 |
| jrwren | i'm fine with my 6-8, 4-8TB drives each bought with lowest $/GB at the time. | 14:01 |
| Scary_Guy | remember this classic? https://i.imgur.com/vxw7t7q.jpg | 14:01 |
| jrwren | no, althought that looks like a 45 drives predecessor | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | First I'm seeing it | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | Wonder if that was a RAID. ;) | 14:01 |
| Scary_Guy | http://stefansinclair.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GigabyteComparison_20yago_small_thumb.jpg going back even further | 14:08 |
| Scary_Guy | hell, I remember the warm fuzzies I got moving from 40MB in the Compudyne to a 512MB in the Packard Bell. I will never not miss that | 14:09 |
| jrwren | me too, but mine was 100MB NEC to WD 540MB. | 14:14 |
| shakes808 | off-topic -> Claypool and Lennon at the Majestic tonight if anyone is interested :) | 14:18 |
| Scary_Guy | I've got a gathering to go to tonight at 7 in Wayne | 14:19 |
| Scary_Guy | sounds awesome though | 14:19 |
| shakes808 | yeah, i have my date night with the wife. she isn't into the odd music like i am :| wish i could go. | 14:20 |
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