[00:21] Evening [00:22] fuck [00:22] just got done dealing with 2 simultaneous outages/incidents [00:22] new images uploaded were getting stupid black lines across them, and then our CI infra fell over [00:22] * greg-g signs off [00:23] adios [00:23] :( [00:24] Hope tomorrow is better [00:24] (also: WTF is with the black lines?) [00:25] gorey details: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142638 [00:27] brb [00:29] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/greg/ <- that is a handsome beard there. === nodoubleg is now known as help === help is now known as nodoubleg [05:18] cmaloney: why thank you, sadly I cut it off recently (I trimmed it down to 10mm on Sunday, it was trimmed to 20mm a month ago from the gloriousness it was) [05:18] still have a beard, I don't think I'll be clean shaven again in my life (unless something weird happens in my head) === brousch_ is now known as brousch [10:55] heh [12:46] morning all [12:56] wondering if there is anywhere you can point me to get a basic understanding of linux sys admin roles [12:57] shakes808: what kinds of roles? [12:57] jorgeops! [12:59] rick_h_: just a general understanding of what you need to know to be a linux sys admin. what should one know inside and out and what are the common issues one would come across and need to troubleshoot [12:59] shakes808: so there was a really good book I loved back in the day [12:59] that's a really open ended question [12:59] oreilly system administration [12:59] that's like "how do I scientist?" [13:00] rick_h_: I am going to be starting up my server again and want to get back into admin my own stuff. [13:00] jcastro: I know, sorry for the endless possibilities that this could lead down [13:01] http://devops.com/2015/02/11/five-great-books-on-devops/ [13:01] more higher level [13:02] Yeah, this is a sort of "Teach me UNIX" question [13:02] jcastro: thank you for that [13:02] if you're doing just basic home-server admin then you'll want to lay out what it is that you're looking to accomplish and go from therem [13:03] I try to do my home server like I would a work server [13:03] cmaloney: that is what i was trying to do 5 years ago, when i started working with you. i want to get back into linux things [13:03] not that I do ops professionally anymore, but I try to understand the new way of doing things [13:03] jcastro: Same, though I'm not using Ansible on it. :) [13:03] shakes808: The best way I've found is to use Linux 24/7 [13:03] as your primary desktop [13:03] I have a general concept of all the things i want to do for my home server. [13:04] anything less and you'll be tempted to not do it. [13:04] shakes808: Such as? [13:04] cmaloney: i was doing that until that laptop died. i have another one that I am going to convert. just need to make time [13:04] i want it to be a file || network share, media, repository... [13:05] potentially run an email server [13:05] Which protocols? CIFS? NFS? UPNP? [13:06] I would just skip email [13:06] I mean, it's how I learned, but it's also 2016 [13:07] that is something that i would need to hash out with someone that knows this stuff to make those deeper decisions [13:07] learn something more applicable [13:07] jcastro: why skip the email server portion? [13:07] jcastro: Don't be dissing email. ;) [13:07] Because jcastro has no compunction over letting gmail be his end-all-be-all [13:07] because there are more important things to learn than managing email servers [13:07] unless you specifically want to become an email engineer or something heh [13:08] It's still important, but I wouldn't get too down the rabbit-hole of spam prevention [13:08] learn hadoop, or mesos, or kubernetes, or something that is in demand [13:08] a few remote blacklists and some SPF filtering and you're fine. [13:08] i just want to know how all that works. i figure i would start with the file || network share. that would seem to be the biggest and most useful to know [13:08] Hadoop is dead. ;) [13:09] shakes808: Start from what you need first [13:09] right, people always need file shares, that's a good one [13:09] Otherwise it's work [13:09] gotcha [13:09] So if you need centralized file storage start with that [13:09] get that working [13:10] and then figure out the next bit that you need [13:10] You'll be more motivated for things you need / want than things you think you want [13:10] sounds about what I was going to do. [13:11] And while Hadoop / Kubernetes / Mesos are cool you're probably not going to start one of those up on a whim. ;) [13:11] At least not Hadoop [13:14] I don't even know what that is :| [13:14] http://hadoop.apache.org/ [13:15] It's a distributed database for large sets of data [13:16] cmaloney: i am on that site already :) [13:16] thank you [13:16] np [13:16] Again, not something that you'll accidentally set up. ;) [13:19] Thank you all for your input. When I start working on my server again, I will probably be in here quite a bit [13:20] No worries. At the very least have fun with it [13:20] that is the idea ;) [13:21] what would be the best way to set up the server so that windows machines can talk to it? My wife isn't going to switch too linux :| [13:21] Youll need to set it up as a samba server [13:21] and that's about as helpful as I can be. :) [13:22] sounds good :) [13:22] thank you [13:22] np [13:35] *gasp* i just glanced and saw jcastro suggesting learning hadoop or mesos? WTF?! [13:35] * jrwren throws up. [13:36] ... did webchat go down for anyone else? [13:37] jcastro: said skip email becuase he gave up and sold his email to google. :p [13:37] even hilary clinton had her own email server. [13:37] jrwren: HAHAHA [13:37] I will sign up for that email server ;) [13:38] shakes808: ignore hadoop unless you are doing big data (as in more than you are willing to buy RAM) and since you said home server, you probably don't need hadoop. [13:38] shakes808: check out reddit r/selfhosted [13:39] jrwren: will look into that [13:39] thank you [13:39] shakes808: we don't have any good answers, i think, because technology for technologies sake isn't a good solution. If you have a real problem to solve, you'll get good solutions. You fileserver one is a good problem with lots of possible good solutions. [13:40] I'll check it out, in return have you seen reddit.com/r/datahoarding ? [13:40] i've had a linux home server of some form for over 20 yrs now. This makes me feel old. [13:40] i've not seen r/datahoarding [13:41] https://www.reddit.com/r/datahoarder screwed up the name anyway [13:42] it's even in the related subs on the sidebar, neat [13:43] oh, thanks. [13:54] so, datahoarders is more about how to store your hoards of data? I really should follow this, but I feel like I've already got a working system for storing mine. [13:57] I enjoy it, better than having a series of drives just laying about. I really need a better way to organize it all though [13:58] I just saw Seagate made a 60TB SSD. Not RTM yet but hopefully one day [13:59] That's a scary amount of data to just go "poof" [13:59] you've heard of LVM? [13:59] With 12 drives you've got 1PB [13:59] I've heard of it. What does that have to do with 60TB SSD go boom? [14:00] ya know what, THAT amount of storage for home is in a whole different world than me. [14:01] That would be awesome for backups. Write once, never overwrite. ;) [14:01] i'm fine with my 6-8, 4-8TB drives each bought with lowest $/GB at the time. [14:01] remember this classic? https://i.imgur.com/vxw7t7q.jpg [14:01] no, althought that looks like a 45 drives predecessor [14:01] First I'm seeing it [14:01] Wonder if that was a RAID. ;) [14:08] http://stefansinclair.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GigabyteComparison_20yago_small_thumb.jpg going back even further [14:09] hell, I remember the warm fuzzies I got moving from 40MB in the Compudyne to a 512MB in the Packard Bell. I will never not miss that [14:14] me too, but mine was 100MB NEC to WD 540MB. [14:18] off-topic -> Claypool and Lennon at the Majestic tonight if anyone is interested :) [14:19] I've got a gathering to go to tonight at 7 in Wayne [14:19] sounds awesome though [14:20] yeah, i have my date night with the wife. she isn't into the odd music like i am :| wish i could go.