[00:21] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:22] <greg-g> fuck
[00:22] <greg-g> just got done dealing with 2 simultaneous outages/incidents
[00:22] <greg-g> new images uploaded were getting stupid black lines across them, and then our CI infra fell over
[00:22]  * greg-g signs off
[00:23] <greg-g> adios
[00:23] <cmaloney> :(
[00:24] <cmaloney> Hope tomorrow is better
[00:24] <cmaloney> (also: WTF is with the black lines?)
[00:25] <greg-g> gorey details: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142638
[00:27] <cmaloney> brb
[00:29] <cmaloney> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/greg/ <- that is a handsome beard there.
[05:18] <greg-g> cmaloney: why thank you, sadly I cut it off recently (I trimmed it down to 10mm on Sunday, it was trimmed to 20mm a month ago from the gloriousness it was)
[05:18] <greg-g> still have a beard, I don't think I'll be clean shaven again in my life (unless something weird happens in my head)
[10:55] <cmaloney> heh
[12:46] <shakes808> morning all
[12:56] <shakes808> wondering if there is anywhere you can point me to get a basic understanding of linux sys admin roles
[12:57] <rick_h_> shakes808: what kinds of roles?
[12:57] <jcastro> jorgeops!
[12:59] <shakes808> rick_h_: just a general understanding of what you need to know to be a linux sys admin.  what should one know inside and out and what are the common issues one would come across and need to troubleshoot
[12:59] <rick_h_> shakes808: so there was a really good book I loved back in the day
[12:59] <jcastro> that's a really open ended question
[12:59] <rick_h_> oreilly system administration
[12:59] <jcastro> that's like "how do I scientist?"
[13:00] <shakes808> rick_h_: I am going to be starting up my server again and want to get back into admin my own stuff.
[13:00] <shakes808> jcastro: I know, sorry for the endless possibilities that this could lead down
[13:01] <jcastro> http://devops.com/2015/02/11/five-great-books-on-devops/
[13:01] <jcastro> more higher level
[13:02] <cmaloney> Yeah, this is a sort of "Teach me UNIX" question
[13:02] <shakes808> jcastro: thank you for that
[13:02] <cmaloney> if you're doing just basic home-server admin then you'll want to lay out what it is that you're looking to accomplish and go from therem
[13:03] <jcastro> I try to do my home server like I would a work server
[13:03] <shakes808> cmaloney: that is what i was trying to do 5 years ago, when i started working with you.  i want to get back into linux things
[13:03] <jcastro> not that I do ops professionally anymore, but I try to understand the new way of doing things
[13:03] <cmaloney> jcastro: Same, though I'm not using Ansible on it. :)
[13:03] <cmaloney> shakes808: The best way I've found is to use Linux 24/7
[13:03] <cmaloney> as your primary desktop
[13:03] <shakes808> I have a general concept of all the things i want to do for my home server.
[13:04] <cmaloney> anything less and you'll be tempted to not do it.
[13:04] <cmaloney> shakes808: Such as?
[13:04] <shakes808> cmaloney: i was doing that until that laptop died.  i have another one that I am going to convert. just need to make time
[13:04] <shakes808> i want it to be a file || network share, media, repository...
[13:05] <shakes808> potentially run an email server
[13:05] <cmaloney> Which protocols? CIFS? NFS? UPNP?
[13:06] <jcastro> I would just skip email
[13:06] <jcastro> I mean, it's how I learned, but it's also 2016
[13:07] <shakes808> that is something that i would need to hash out with someone that knows this stuff to make those deeper decisions
[13:07] <jcastro> learn something more applicable
[13:07] <shakes808> jcastro: why skip the email server portion?
[13:07] <cmaloney> jcastro: Don't be dissing email. ;)
[13:07] <cmaloney> Because jcastro has no compunction over letting gmail be his end-all-be-all
[13:07] <jcastro> because there are more important things to learn than managing email servers
[13:07] <jcastro> unless you specifically want to become an email engineer or something heh
[13:08] <cmaloney> It's still important, but I wouldn't get too down the rabbit-hole of spam prevention
[13:08] <jcastro> learn hadoop, or mesos, or kubernetes, or something that is in demand
[13:08] <cmaloney> a few remote blacklists and some SPF filtering and you're fine.
[13:08] <shakes808> i just want to know how all that works.  i figure i would start with the file || network share.  that would seem to be the biggest and most useful to know
[13:08] <cmaloney> Hadoop is dead. ;)
[13:09] <cmaloney> shakes808: Start from what you need first
[13:09] <jcastro> right, people always need file shares, that's a good one
[13:09] <cmaloney> Otherwise it's work
[13:09] <shakes808> gotcha
[13:09] <cmaloney> So if you need centralized file storage start with that
[13:09] <cmaloney> get that working
[13:10] <cmaloney> and then figure out the next bit that you need
[13:10] <cmaloney> You'll be more motivated for things you need / want than things you think you want
[13:10] <shakes808> sounds about what I was going to do.
[13:11] <cmaloney> And while Hadoop / Kubernetes / Mesos are cool you're probably not going to start one of those up on a whim. ;)
[13:11] <cmaloney> At least not Hadoop
[13:14] <shakes808> I don't even know what that is :|
[13:14] <cmaloney> http://hadoop.apache.org/
[13:15] <cmaloney> It's a distributed database for large sets of data
[13:16] <shakes808> cmaloney: i am on that site already :)
[13:16] <shakes808> thank you
[13:16] <cmaloney> np
[13:16] <cmaloney> Again, not something that you'll accidentally set up. ;)
[13:19] <shakes808> Thank you all for your input.  When I start working on my server again, I will probably be in here quite a bit
[13:20] <cmaloney> No worries. At the very least have fun with it
[13:20] <shakes808> that is the idea ;)
[13:21] <shakes808> what would be the best way to set up the server so that windows machines can talk to it?  My wife isn't going to switch too linux :|
[13:21] <cmaloney> Youll need to set it up as a samba server
[13:21] <cmaloney> and that's about as helpful as I can be. :)
[13:22] <shakes808> sounds good :)
[13:22] <shakes808> thank you
[13:22] <cmaloney> np
[13:35] <jrwren> *gasp* i just glanced and saw jcastro suggesting learning hadoop or mesos?  WTF?!
[13:35]  * jrwren throws up.
[13:36] <shakes808> ... did webchat go down for anyone else?
[13:37] <jrwren> jcastro: said skip email becuase he gave up and sold his email to google. :p
[13:37] <jrwren> even hilary clinton had her own email server.
[13:37] <shakes808> jrwren: HAHAHA
[13:37] <shakes808> I will sign up for that email server ;)
[13:38] <jrwren> shakes808: ignore hadoop unless you are doing big data (as in more than you are willing to buy RAM) and since you said home server, you probably don't need hadoop.
[13:38] <jrwren> shakes808: check out reddit r/selfhosted
[13:39] <shakes808> jrwren: will look into that
[13:39] <shakes808> thank you
[13:39] <jrwren> shakes808: we don't have any good answers, i think, because technology for technologies sake isn't a good solution. If you have a real problem to solve, you'll get good solutions. You fileserver one is a good problem with lots of possible good solutions.
[13:40] <Scary_Guy> I'll check it out, in return have you seen reddit.com/r/datahoarding ?
[13:40] <jrwren> i've had a linux home server of some form for over 20 yrs now. This makes me feel old.
[13:40] <jrwren> i've not seen r/datahoarding
[13:41] <Scary_Guy> https://www.reddit.com/r/datahoarder screwed up the name anyway
[13:42] <Scary_Guy> it's even in the related subs on the sidebar, neat
[13:43] <jrwren> oh, thanks.
[13:54] <jrwren> so, datahoarders is more about how to store your hoards of data? I really should follow this, but I feel like I've already got a working system for storing mine.
[13:57] <Scary_Guy> I enjoy it, better than having a series of drives just laying about.  I really need a better way to organize it all though
[13:58] <Scary_Guy> I just saw Seagate made a 60TB SSD.  Not RTM yet but hopefully one day
[13:59] <cmaloney> That's a scary amount of data to just go "poof"
[13:59] <jrwren> you've heard of LVM?
[13:59] <Scary_Guy> With 12 drives you've got 1PB
[13:59] <cmaloney> I've heard of it. What does that have to do with 60TB SSD go boom?
[14:00] <jrwren> ya know what, THAT amount of storage for home is in a whole different world than me.
[14:01] <cmaloney> That would be awesome for backups. Write once, never overwrite. ;)
[14:01] <jrwren> i'm fine with my 6-8, 4-8TB drives each bought with lowest $/GB at the time.
[14:01] <Scary_Guy> remember this classic?  https://i.imgur.com/vxw7t7q.jpg
[14:01] <jrwren> no, althought that looks like a 45 drives predecessor
[14:01] <cmaloney> First I'm seeing it
[14:01] <cmaloney> Wonder if that was a RAID. ;)
[14:08] <Scary_Guy> http://stefansinclair.name/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GigabyteComparison_20yago_small_thumb.jpg going back even further
[14:09] <Scary_Guy> hell, I remember the warm fuzzies I got moving from 40MB in the Compudyne to a 512MB in the Packard Bell.  I will never not miss that
[14:14] <jrwren> me too, but mine was 100MB NEC to WD 540MB.
[14:18] <shakes808> off-topic -> Claypool and Lennon at the Majestic tonight if anyone is interested :)
[14:19] <Scary_Guy> I've got a gathering to go to tonight at 7 in Wayne
[14:19] <Scary_Guy> sounds awesome though
[14:20] <shakes808> yeah, i have my date night with the wife.  she isn't into the odd music like i am :|  wish i could go.