[20:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: merged! \o/ https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202
[20:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: one down, one to go :)
[20:08] <wxl> cool
[20:08] <wxl> i didn't even see the response
[20:09] <wxl> slangasek got sick of waiting on infinity and just did it? :)
[20:09] <tsimonq2> XD yep
[20:09] <wxl> daang
[20:10] <wxl> i have to say it's rather strange
[20:10] <wxl> adam is usually very on top of things
[20:10]  * tsimonq2 nods
[20:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: we even get our own version XD 2.423
[20:10] <wxl> oooooh
[20:10] <tsimonq2> !info livecd-rootfs yakkety
[20:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: we just have to wait :P
[20:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: what happens when the images are spun up? do you think it would be good to announce something?
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: get all the testcases taken care of
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: then start testing!
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: then finalize the choices on applications
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: make new testcases
[20:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: test more
[20:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: then make it lubuntu :)
[20:14] <wxl> tsimonq2: we also need to discuss what to do with lxde. i mean we shouldn't really do two images. i don't think. maybe we should have lubuntu-lxde-core/desktop? i don't know. more thinking here.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: the question is, will LXQt be *default* for 16.10 or will we just have an extra LXQt set of images?
[20:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: our plan was the latter, right?
[20:20] <wxl> tsimonq2: i suspect the latter. we have a lot of work to do still.
[20:20] <wxl> i think decisions on the applications alone will take us a whole cycle.
[20:20] <wxl> like seriously.
[20:21] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: let me whip up a step-by-step proposal detailing our transition to LXQt. Then, if you like it and the rest of the team likes it, we can refer to it in the future.
[20:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: and it will at least be a for-sure roadmap
[20:22] <wxl> tsimonq2: sounds good. would be nice in the form of a blueprint. there's probably already one there you can just edit
[20:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: good idea
[20:23] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think you should put a date on there for people to refer to. maybe i'm stepping out here, but i'd advise putting 17.10 as the plan.
[20:23] <wxl> tsimonq2: as i don't necessarily support the notion of releasing new features in an LTS and it's too late for 16.10
[20:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: why not 17.04?
[20:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: new features in an LTS can be a problematic matter. people depend on an LTS being absolutely rock solid. if we're not 100% sure of that, it will create a riot.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: 17.04 is not an LTS...
[20:25] <wxl> izznot?
[20:25] <wxl> oh
[20:25] <wxl> it's not :)
[20:25] <wxl> yeah right
[20:25] <wxl> derp
[20:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: 18.04 is, :P
[20:25] <tsimonq2> hehehehehehe :)
[20:25] <wxl> so yes maybe 17.04 might be good. if we can make it there.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> alright I'll plan this out
[20:26] <wxl> i think it will take us several weeks just to figure out each application. i'm not freaking kidding.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: so for a work item, do you think it would be smart or excessive to specify a work item for each LXQt blueprint we have?
[20:34] <wxl> tsimonq2: i kind of think so.
[20:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: E: Invalid option. Please specify either "smart" or "excessive"
[20:35] <tsimonq2> XD
[20:35] <wxl> smart
[20:35] <tsimonq2> k
[20:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: is there any specific order we should decide on things, and if so, what do you suggest?
[20:38] <tsimonq2> (applications for LXQt)
[20:39] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'm not sure it matters too much. but if we get the "easy" ones first it might allow us to test them while we work on the "hard" ones (like the browser)
[20:39] <tsimonq2> ok
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: so there's "Approved" and "Discussion" blueprints
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: we only need to decide on "Discussion" ?
[20:40] <wxl> tsimonq2: yes, but i didn't think we had decided on ANY :O
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
[20:40] <wxl> soooo might want to run those past gilir to be sure
[20:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: well obviously LXQt :P
[20:41] <wxl> bah launchpad's updating
[20:41] <tsimonq2> not for me...
[20:42] <wxl> now it works
[20:42] <wxl> ugh all those should be renamed to z-series then i guess
[20:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: but what about Discussion/Approved
[20:43] <tsimonq2> s/Approved/Approved?/g
[20:43] <wxl> assume that approved is approved but check with gilir for certainty
[20:45] <tsimonq2> ok
[20:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm struggling, what should I start with, and given the blueprint's current status, what's the due date
[20:46] <tsimonq2> s/date/date?/g grrrrrr
[20:47] <wxl> like i said
[20:47] <wxl> start with the easy stuff :)
[20:47] <wxl> your guess is as good as mine, really
[20:47] <tsimonq2> well you said browser is hard
[20:47] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:47] <wxl> yeah there's that
[20:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: due date?
[20:49] <wxl> tsimonq2: well, we'd HOPE to do z cycle, eh?
[20:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: well are we going to allocate a week or two for each or are we going to set one due date for all?
[20:50] <wxl> well at this point let's make a proposal based on what we think is best
[20:51] <wxl> i think if we give us a week or so it gives us time to argue it and the ability to focus on just one thing at a time
[20:51] <wxl> we can use it as an opportunity to get the community to engage
[20:52] <tsimonq2> ok
[20:52] <wxl> we need to submit the proposal to the community and make sure they accept it, too
[20:52] <wxl> so we need to be willing to change it
[20:53] <wxl> and of course we need gilir's backing
[20:54] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:57] <wxl> lunch
[20:59] <tsimonq2> me too :P
[21:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: so Julien responded
[21:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: he said: "It was approved at some point, but if you have a better idea, you can add it to the discussion"
[21:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: I also asked him about the poll, he said that he can't look now, but he'll let me know later
[21:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: slangasek approved and the crontab is in production!
[21:45] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:57] <tsimonq2> hey yofel, LXQt image gets generated tomorrow! \o/
[21:58] <yofel> \o/
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I remember you saying something about that...
[21:58] <tsimonq2> thought I would let you know :)