[00:59] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:16] <jrwren> anyone ever setup their own rtmp server?
[02:27] <cmaloney> Not familiar with that
[02:51] <jrwren> i finally got it going.
[02:51] <jrwren> i didn't realize how endpoint + streamkey works.
[13:26] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:28] <rick_h_> morning
[13:28]  * rick_h_ can't wait to get his truck back today
[13:28] <rick_h_> I don't know how folks get by with 1 car
[13:30] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Heh, I can imagine that is annoying as fuck
[13:30] <cmaloney> esp since you don't like that car
[13:30] <cmaloney> btw: Does anyone have a VW Jetta Wagon?
[13:30] <cmaloney> Managed to mess up an order and ordered the wrong driver's side wiper replacement
[13:31] <cmaloney> It's off by a millimeter
[13:31] <cmaloney> or two
[13:32] <jrwren> rick_h_: i'm TRYING to sell a car so we can be a 1 car family ;]
[13:32] <jrwren> rick_h_: but I'm also a short walk to a bus stop and zipcar/maven
[13:32] <cmaloney> You can get away with that in Ann Arbor, the city of tomorrow
[13:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: bwahahaha
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, maybe I guess
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: but isn't harder with the kid chucking them around?
[13:35] <cmaloney> Welcome to Ann Arbor, the city of tomorrow, where everything floats to your kid on-demand
[13:38] <jrwren> rick_h_: wife not working makes it a lot easier, I think
[13:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, we survived with one car when I was working from home / unemployed / working from home
[13:39] <cmaloney> It wasn't until $currentjob that I needed another car
[15:27] <greg-g> we're still one car (still that '02 Subaru). The '83 G30 RV doesn't count :P
[15:27] <cmaloney> Heh
[17:20] <shakes808> hello my ubuntu peoples, had a question that I wanted to clarify.  I just read that ubuntu is built off of a debian test release, is this true?
[17:22] <shakes808> This is what I seen: "Ubuntu LTS is from Testing. Other Ubuntu releases are from Unstable."
[17:23] <rick_h_> shakes808: well it's sync'd across and such
[17:23] <rick_h_> shakes808: but it's the start yes
[17:23] <greg-g> debian testing at the time of the start of the new Ubuntu release (iow: right after latest release, iow: in May and November, after the releases in April and October), which is what turns into the next stable Debian release every couple years, is what is pulled into the start of the next Ubuntu release
[17:24] <greg-g> lots of subordinate clauses in there, sorry
[17:24] <shakes808> rick_h_: gotcha
[17:24] <shakes808> greg-g: haha, i followed that ;)
[17:25] <shakes808> rick_h_ and greg-g : thank you
[17:25] <shakes808> I am trying to figure out if I should go Debian or Ubuntu server
[17:25] <shakes808> Sounds like Ubuntu Server LTS and Debian are going to be similar
[17:26] <greg-g> depends if you want any of the special Ubuntu-juice
[17:26] <shakes808> that is a better understanding and explanation for LTS than I thought it was before
[17:26] <greg-g> We (Wikimedia Foundation) switched from Ubuntu Trusty to Debian Jessie, fwiw (but we also have a fair number of DDs on staff)
[17:26] <shakes808> greg-g: If I am doing server, it is going too command line, so what extra "juice" would Ubuntu offer that Debian doesn't?
[17:26] <greg-g> juju, snap, etc
[17:26] <greg-g> snappy, whatever that thing is :)
[17:27] <shakes808> --> OFF TOPIC <-- Deftones tonight at Freedom Hill
[17:27] <greg-g> I saw some friends indicating they're going to the Rob Zombie + KoRn "Return of the dreadlocks" shows... middleschool and highschool revisited :)
[17:28] <shakes808> greg-g: I am going to be part of that middle school and high school revisited :)
[17:29] <shakes808> Both put on a great show.  I was at the Manson / Slipknot concert a week or so ago]
[17:29] <shakes808> Manson wasn't at his best, but Slipknot was on point like usual
[17:29] <jrwren> shakes808: you should use ubuntu-server.
[17:29] <shakes808> and Korn's guitarist is rumored to have came back
[17:29] <jrwren> shakes808: because this is #ubuntu-us-mi ;]
[17:29] <shakes808> jrwren: haha, right
[17:30] <jrwren> shakes808: i like debian, do not get me wrong, but ubuntu is just so much better.
[17:30] <greg-g> "better"
[17:30] <greg-g> :P
[17:30] <jrwren> greg-g: yes, its subjective.
[17:30] <jrwren> shakes808: things like apt-add-repository OOTB.
[17:31] <jrwren> shakes808: IMO ubuntu releases have better docs. The Ubuntu Server Guide for example.
[17:31] <greg-g> shakes808: I saw a Manson + Rob Zombie concert while in undergrad, actually, and boy are their musicians awesome. To be with them you have to be top of the line.
[17:31] <jrwren> its been a while since I used debian, but last time I did I was surprised by how much was missing compared to ubuntu. It felt like someone stripped features.
[17:32] <greg-g> jrwren: it's the opposite, someone failed to upstream/share their additions </end decade old rant>
[17:32] <greg-g> :)
[17:32] <greg-g> (yes, I </ and used "end" like a newb)
[17:32] <shakes808> jrwren: alright, will go ubuntu; will be ubuntu all around.  repurposing another old laptop with ubuntu as well
[17:33] <greg-g> shakes808: that's the other thing to consider, yeah, consolidating on one platform for all your machines
[17:33] <shakes808> greg-g: right?! can't go wrong seeing them.  Also, NiN.  His road musicians are on point!
[17:33] <greg-g> cognitive overhead of multiple platforms isn't worth it
[17:34] <jrwren> if you run apt-cacher you will reap the benefits even more.
[17:34] <shakes808> greg-g: kind of what I was thinking, but then again, it should be OS agnostic when using a server.  My Windows machine should be able to talk to it and send and retrieve files just as well as Debian / Ubuntu
[17:34] <greg-g> jrwren: that too
[17:34] <jrwren> greg-g: believe me i understand about upstreaming... i experience it all the time wiht juju :p
[17:35] <greg-g> shakes808: cognitive overhead wrt maintenance, is what I mean. Same upgrade schedule, same version of packages so you know they won't be incompatible, etc
[17:35] <jrwren> right... you don't have to remember mundane shit like, debian's apache2 pkg has http2 support, but ubuntu's does not.
[17:36] <greg-g> word
[17:36] <jrwren> pardon my curse.
[17:37] <greg-g> asshole
[17:37]  * greg-g is in a weird Friday mood after a crazy week
[17:37] <greg-g> outages related to things my team 'owns' this week:
[17:37] <greg-g> 	* CI: 2016-08-07 - wikitech:Incident_documentation/20160807-CI
[17:37] <greg-g> 	* MW: 2016-08-09 - wikitech:Incident_documentation/20160809-MediaWiki
[17:37] <greg-g> 	* CI: 2016-08-10 - TBC
[17:37] <greg-g> 	* MW: 2016-08-10 - wikitech:Incident_documentation/20160810-MediaWiki
[17:38] <_stink_> yuck
[17:38] <cmaloney> Rob Zombie took a page from Alice Cooper in surrounding himself with amazing musicians
[17:38] <cmaloney> and Alice Cooper learned that from Zappa afaict
[17:41]  * greg-g puts on some Porcupine Tree and gets to work
[17:44] <shakes808> greg-g: haven't heard from them in a long time
[17:44]  * shakes808 switches from RATM to Porcupine Tree
[17:45]  * greg-g is listening to The Incident album
[17:45] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4OqtyoDAto
[17:47] <cmaloney> https://meanmessiah.bandcamp.com/album/let-us-pray-ep <- up next
[17:47] <shakes808> cmaloney: haha, i was listening to dethklok all morning then changed it to RATM and some 90s stuffs
[17:48] <Scary_Guy> needs more Children of Bodom
[17:48] <shakes808> cmaloney: my co-workers said that Dethklok was heavy so turned on  RATM and they said that it was better but not by much  :)
[17:48] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: CoB is amazing live! have you seen them?
[17:48] <cmaloney> Dethklok heavy?
[17:48] <cmaloney> Challenge accepted.
[17:48] <shakes808> haha
[17:48] <Scary_Guy> not live :(
[17:49] <shakes808> they are good.  seen them 2x at Harpos.  I think Trivvium opened both times
[17:49] <shakes808> I want to see Opeth
[17:49] <Scary_Guy> although my favorite band...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DF60OqiW34
[17:49] <shakes808> Oct 7th :) at the State Theater
[17:50] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: never heard of this band
[17:50] <Scary_Guy> try not to kill yourself in anguish :)
[17:50] <shakes808> HAHA
[17:54] <greg-g> Funeral Doom Metal, heh, yep
[17:55] <greg-g> I love the genre names of doom/death metal
[17:55] <greg-g> subgenre*
[17:55] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ
[17:58] <cmaloney> yeah, they're pretty out there.
[17:58] <cmaloney> (the genres)
[17:58] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: You've heard of my podcast - Open Metalcast, right?
[17:58] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: HAHAHA
[17:59] <Scary_Guy> nope
[17:59] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/
[17:59] <cmaloney> Creative Commons Licensed Metal Music
[17:59] <cmaloney> aka shit Craig likes.
[17:59] <Scary_Guy> oh yeah, I thoguht it was about actual metal casting though :p
[17:59] <cmaloney> naturally.
[17:59] <cmaloney> I get orders all the time. ;)
[18:00] <Scary_Guy> I'm mostly into industrial music myself
[18:00] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/?s=club+metal&submit=Search
[18:00] <Scary_Guy> actually DJ'ing tomorrow at City Club
[18:00] <cmaloney> I have to get another Club Metal out there.
[18:00] <cmaloney> it's been over a year. :(
[18:01] <cmaloney> Mostly finished but I have to get the voices back onto my machine. :(
[18:05] <cmaloney> But yeah, check it out, give it a spin. Money back if not satisfied. ;)
[18:07] <Scary_Guy> if I ever get to it.  always a lot on my plate
[18:07] <Scary_Guy> bookmarked though and I fully intend to
[18:07] <cmaloney> Add it to your podcatcher of choice.
[18:07] <cmaloney> tx
[18:09] <greg-g> +1 to OMC
[18:10] <cmaloney> <3
[18:11] <Scary_Guy> I also have a bunch of other friends with shows.  WXOU's Hard-Wired and nachtlich.com
[18:11] <Scary_Guy> was also a part of the Detroit Electronic Coalition for a minute
[18:12] <Scary_Guy> (nachtlich is horribly out of date though)
[18:13] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: you dj at City?  I haven't been there since high school haha.  what is the scene like there?
[18:14] <Scary_Guy> slow, things died off when it started sucking
[18:14] <shakes808> that sucks
[18:14] <Scary_Guy> then the owner fired everyone and we're trying to rebuild the crowd
[18:15] <shakes808> I wanted to bring my wife there, she is not into that scene at all but she likes to people watch.  What better place to be out of place and watch them when they watch her haha. Only reason she comes with me to Slayer and my metal shows haha
[18:15] <Scary_Guy> lots of apathy from the old staff.  wouldn't fix anything and treated the crowd like shit if they weren't regulars
[18:15] <shakes808> that sucks
[18:15] <Scary_Guy> sucked*  much better now
[18:15] <shakes808> good.  might have to take her there :)
[18:15] <Scary_Guy> fixed the stairs, put in a new soundsystem, painted shit
[18:16] <Scary_Guy> go tomorrow if you can
[18:16] <shakes808> What time are you DJ'n?
[18:16] <jrwren> why did the owner fire everyone?
[18:16] <Scary_Guy> they weren't doing their jobs, best reason there is IMO
[18:16] <shakes808> haha
[18:17] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: what is the address again?  Like I said, it has been over a decade since I've been there
[18:17] <Scary_Guy> 400 Bagley Ave
[18:17] <Scary_Guy> cross street is Cass
[18:18] <shakes808> yeah, the basement of the hotel, correct?
[18:19] <jrwren> that is labrynth
[18:19] <Scary_Guy> yeah, no, other side upstairs
[18:19] <Scary_Guy> labyrinth is long dead :(
[18:19] <shakes808> will have to see if we can make it out there
[18:20] <Scary_Guy> I'll be DJ'ing up front with my friend Mike
[18:21] <shakes808> what is your DJ name?>?
[18:22] <Scary_Guy> Scary guy
[18:23] <shakes808> haha, easy enough ;)
[18:23] <cmaloney> kiss
[18:23] <Scary_Guy> no u
[18:24] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUlRe9OTjzY
[18:26] <shakes808> Scary_Guy: that's pretty cool
[18:36] <Scary_Guy> anyway bbl, much to do!