[00:02] kyrofa: curious, once you build the nextcloud snap, what's involved in updating it? Is it the same process all over again? [00:02] roasted, I guess that depends on what you consider to be the "process" [00:03] kyrofa: I guess I'm talking time-wise. If packaging the nextcloud snap takes 1 hour due to the tasks involved, I was wondering if updating it from 9 to 10 (for example) is expected to take just as long. [00:05] roasted, it depends on what needs to change. For example, if nextcloud just needs to be updated from 9.0.50 to 9.0.53, it takes maybe 5 minutes. Make the change, verify that it works, spin off new builds on launchpad and they're automatically published once done [00:05] roasted, but if something fundamental needs change (e.g. use nginx instead of apache) that'll obviously take longer [00:05] ah yeah that's understandable. [00:06] I suppose it could be the same if apache needs (as per nextcloud requiring it for some reason) to be upgraded as well. [00:08] Indeed. Assuming the next release works fine, that's a pretty small amount of time [00:08] And if you have people willing to test your edge channel, it could be even less time if you just make the change and spin up edge builds [00:08] are you running nextcloud-server? [00:08] roasted, are you familiar with channels? [00:08] I know they exist, and their fundamentals. [00:08] I'm not a dev by any stretch to say "yeah I've done that" though [00:09] Actually no, my personal machine in a plug computer that is an arm architecture that ubuntu doesn't support [00:09] personal server rather [00:09] ah, was just curious. I wasn't sure if you were using owncloud server + owncloud app or nextcloud server + still using the owncloud app [00:12] roasted, ahh, sorry I was still stuck on the snap [00:12] roasted, actually no, I'm still on ownCloud 8 :P [00:12] sounds like ya got some debian blood in ya [00:12] :P [00:13] Yeah, if I can't have my ubuntu, I gotta have my debian [00:13] good stuff. you a big ubuntu user? [00:13] probably a dumb question but whatevs... :P [00:19] roasted, well, I work for canonical, so yeah [00:19] roasted, but even before that, yeah :) [00:20] kyrofa: hahahaha. imagine that. [00:21] kyrofa: we have a pretty large scale ubuntu deployment at work. does the job well. [00:22] roasted, oh yeah? Good to hear! [00:22] just bumped everything to 16.04 [00:22] though nobody has gotten to use them yet [00:22] (summer vacation -- school district) [00:24] Ah yes [00:24] Perfect time to upgrade [00:24] When no one can whine at the downtime [00:26] hopefully with something we're toying with now, the future won't have any downtime besides a reboot [00:27] (aside from a reboot, of course) we shall see though. [03:55] trouble building a practice tcl/tk snap. staging seems fine. all the binaries seem to be where they should be. i am getting the error "cant find /usr/bin/tclsh even though i see it in the staging file. same with other binaries. can someone point me to documentation that answers this? ive read snapcraft.io and the whole how to build a snap series. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === Vinicius_ is now known as Guest38753 [12:30] hey guys, trick question. Can I install snapcraft on a chromeOS? [12:53] Guest38753, i guess inside an ubuntu chroot you can [12:55] ogra_: humm, yes i guess, but that exacly what I wanted to avoid. [12:57] why is that ? [12:57] ypu actually want to mess up your host system with build crap and dependencies ? [13:01] well, I don't like the ideia of entering in a chroot env all the time I wanted to run a program. [13:01] perhabs I could install snap on a place like /mnt/stateful_partition/snappy [13:01] that wont change anything [13:01] snapcraft installs all build deppendencies on the host ... [13:01] when you use it to build snaps [13:02] you really dont want that (i dont even build ubuntu packages on a plain ubuntu host ... be it snaps with snapcraft or debs ....) [13:04] you are aware that snapcraft is a build tool (has nothing to do with installing or running snaps (well, you can test-run them if your system is capable)) [13:04] ? [13:04] but it's not self conteined? [13:04] if you actually want snapd (the thing that installs and runs snaps) natively on chromeOS i suggest to talk to zyga during the week [13:05] he does allteh ports to non ubuntu oses [13:05] I am, there is a tool that do a similar job, nix packages manager, but I had some problems using it. [13:07] hummmm. I see, Ok. I will look for him this week. [13:07] he is usually around during european work hours [13:08] cool, thanks a lot. === Marty_ is now known as Guest99413 === mup_ is now known as mup [23:10] is there a CMake script for generating snappy packages?