[00:02] <roasted> kyrofa: curious, once you build the nextcloud snap, what's involved in updating it? Is it the same process all over again?
[00:02] <kyrofa> roasted, I guess that depends on what you consider to be the "process"
[00:03] <roasted> kyrofa: I guess I'm talking time-wise. If packaging the nextcloud snap takes 1 hour due to the tasks involved, I was wondering if updating it from 9 to 10 (for example) is expected to take just as long.
[00:05] <kyrofa> roasted, it depends on what needs to change. For example, if nextcloud just needs to be updated from 9.0.50 to 9.0.53, it takes maybe 5 minutes. Make the change, verify that it works, spin off new builds on launchpad and they're automatically published once done
[00:05] <kyrofa> roasted, but if something fundamental needs change (e.g. use nginx instead of apache) that'll obviously take longer
[00:05] <roasted> ah yeah that's understandable.
[00:06] <roasted> I suppose it could be the same if apache needs (as per nextcloud requiring it for some reason) to be upgraded as well.
[00:08] <kyrofa> Indeed. Assuming the next release works fine, that's a pretty small amount of time
[00:08] <kyrofa> And if you have people willing to test your edge channel, it could be even less time if you just make the change and spin up edge builds
[00:08] <roasted> are you running nextcloud-server?
[00:08] <kyrofa> roasted, are you familiar with channels?
[00:08] <roasted> I know they exist, and their fundamentals.
[00:08] <roasted> I'm not a dev by any stretch to say "yeah I've done that" though
[00:09] <kyrofa> Actually no, my personal machine in a plug computer that is an arm architecture that ubuntu doesn't support
[00:09] <kyrofa> personal server rather
[00:09] <roasted> ah, was just curious. I wasn't sure if you were using owncloud server + owncloud app or nextcloud server + still using the owncloud app
[00:12] <kyrofa> roasted, ahh, sorry I was still stuck on the snap
[00:12] <kyrofa> roasted, actually no, I'm still on ownCloud 8 :P
[00:12] <roasted> sounds like ya got some debian blood in ya
[00:12] <roasted> :P
[00:13] <kyrofa> Yeah, if I can't have my ubuntu, I gotta have my debian
[00:13] <roasted> good stuff. you a big ubuntu user?
[00:13] <roasted> probably a dumb question but whatevs... :P
[00:19] <kyrofa> roasted, well, I work for canonical, so yeah
[00:19] <kyrofa> roasted, but even before that, yeah :)
[00:20] <roasted> kyrofa: hahahaha. imagine that.
[00:21] <roasted> kyrofa: we have a pretty large scale ubuntu deployment at work. does the job well.
[00:22] <kyrofa> roasted, oh yeah? Good to hear!
[00:22] <roasted> just bumped everything to 16.04
[00:22] <roasted> though nobody has gotten to use them yet
[00:22] <roasted> (summer vacation -- school district)
[00:24] <kyrofa> Ah yes
[00:24] <kyrofa> Perfect time to upgrade
[00:24] <kyrofa> When no one can whine at the downtime
[00:26] <roasted> hopefully with something we're toying with now, the future won't have any downtime besides a reboot
[00:27] <roasted> (aside from a reboot, of course) we shall see though.
[03:55] <frodowiz> trouble building a practice tcl/tk snap. staging seems fine. all the binaries seem to be  where they should be. i am getting the error "cant find /usr/bin/tclsh even though i see it in the staging file. same with other binaries. can someone point me to documentation that answers this? ive read snapcraft.io and the whole how to build a snap series.
[12:30] <Guest38753> hey guys, trick question. Can I install snapcraft on a chromeOS?
[12:53] <ogra_> Guest38753, i guess inside an ubuntu chroot you can
[12:55] <Guest38753> ogra_: humm, yes i guess, but that exacly what I wanted to avoid.
[12:57] <ogra_> why is that ?
[12:57] <ogra_> ypu actually want to mess up your host system with build crap and dependencies ?
[13:01] <Guest38753> well, I don't like the ideia of entering in a chroot env all the time I wanted to run a program.
[13:01] <Guest38753> perhabs I could install snap on a place like /mnt/stateful_partition/snappy
[13:01] <Guest38753> that wont change anything
[13:01] <ogra_> snapcraft installs all build deppendencies on the host ...
[13:01] <ogra_> when you use it to build snaps
[13:02] <ogra_> you really dont want that (i dont even build ubuntu packages on a plain ubuntu host ... be it snaps with snapcraft or debs ....)
[13:04] <ogra_> you are aware that snapcraft is a build tool (has nothing to do with installing or running snaps (well, you can test-run them if your system is capable))
[13:04] <ogra_> ?
[13:04] <Guest38753> but it's not self conteined?
[13:04] <ogra_> if you actually want snapd (the thing that installs and runs snaps) natively on chromeOS i suggest to talk to zyga during the week
[13:05] <ogra_> he does allteh ports to non ubuntu oses
[13:05] <Guest38753> I am, there is a tool that do a similar job, nix packages manager, but I had some problems using it.
[13:07] <Guest38753> hummmm. I see, Ok. I will look for him this week.
[13:07] <ogra_> he is usually around during european work hours
[13:08] <Guest38753> cool, thanks a lot.
[23:10] <Birchy> is there a CMake script for generating snappy packages?