[03:41] <Not_a_Robot> But Vivaldi is not Libre
[03:41] <Not_a_Robot> Don't use it!
[03:42] <Not_a_Robot> Or use it if you want to be violated in terms of your privacy and such.
[03:42] <ahoneybun> Not_a_Robot: please let people make their own choices
[03:42] <ahoneybun> that's a freedom as well
[03:43] <Not_a_Robot> That's what I said!
[03:43] <Not_a_Robot> Use it if you want
[03:43] <ahoneybun> But saying it like that
[03:43] <Not_a_Robot> Ok sorry
[03:43] <Not_a_Robot> Will not happen again
[04:10] <Theory> My Kubuntu system keeps freezing up.  I have to do a manual reset.  Is there anyway I can figure out why this is happening?
[04:12] <SporkWitch> Theory: check dmesg and /var/log/syslog
[04:12] <SporkWitch> Theory: not using ATI drivers, are you?
[04:13] <Theory> I'm not sure.
[04:15] <Theory> While using /var/log/syslog it tells me permission denied.
[04:15] <SporkWitch> Theory: glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[04:15] <SporkWitch> (capitalization matters)
[04:16] <Theory> And it tells me no command check found.
[04:16] <SporkWitch> Theory: you need sudo to get at syslog
[04:16] <Theory> I am root.
[04:16] <SporkWitch> check isn't a command
[04:16] <SporkWitch> dmesg is
[04:16] <Theory> ok got it.
[04:16] <SporkWitch> and /var/log/syslog is a file
[04:17] <SporkWitch> Theory: do glxinfo | grep OpenGL and look for the line that mentions the renderer; that should tell you what driver you're using
[04:18] <Theory> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Bay Trail
[04:19] <Theory> Thats what that line says.
[04:21] <Theory> I"m looking through those other files,
[04:21] <Theory> I'm not sure exactly when the lockup happened.
[04:25] <Theory> not sure where you went..
[04:26] <SporkWitch> Theory: kk, you're using the right drivers then, so it's probably not any of the GPU-related stuff i had to fight with
[04:26] <SporkWitch> i'm not a personal support tech, mate, i'm in a dozen different channels lol
[04:26] <Theory> oh ok ;)
[04:27] <Theory> these lock ups are pissing me off though
[04:33] <Theory> Windows 10 never locked up on this.
[04:34] <Theory> But I hate windows.
[04:34] <Theory> something must have messed up in the install
[04:35] <valorie> which version are you using, Theory?
[04:35] <valorie> I remember random freezes happening in the past, but not in the last year or so
[04:35] <Theory> The latest.
[04:37] <Theory> Linux 4.4.0-31-generic x86_64
[04:37] <valorie> so 16.04?
[04:38] <valorie> most strange
[04:39] <Theory> yes 16.04
[04:39] <Theory> Release:        16.04
[04:39] <Theory> Codename:       xenial
[04:40] <SporkWitch> Theory: highlighting people is also a good way to get attention back lol *tries to catch up*
[04:40] <Theory> if i knew something to look for in this dmesg
[04:40] <Theory> its a cluttered mess
[04:41] <Theory> SporkWitch: sorry man
[04:41] <SporkWitch> not that strange; i've been seeing hiccups with sandrybridge on 16.04 as well, though switching to nosplash from nomodeset has helped
[04:42] <SporkWitch> (workarounds for the splash password entry not accepting input to decrypt the drive)
[04:44] <Theory> SporkWitch: So what do you suggest I do?
[04:44] <SporkWitch> Theory: any reproduction steps? anything in particular you can tie it to or is it intermittent?
[04:45] <Theory> SporkWitch: It seems intermittent.  Nothing I can link it too.
[05:06] <valorie> heisenbugs are the worst
[09:41] <user|78835> hola
[10:31] <viewer|8684> The menu freezes and the mouse cursor  moves but cannot not select any thing.  The keyboard also cannot input
[10:32] <hateball> viewer|8684: What menu? Can you be a bit more specific?
[10:32] <hateball> !details | viewer|8684
[10:44] <viewer|8684> New install, K  button on the bottom left hand corner,  afterv few clickc the mouse stops selecting
[10:45] <hateball> viewer|8684: Well, a common suggestion is to use the Kubuntu PPA as the default release is... pretty unstable
[10:46] <viewer|8684> The Lord bottom seems to have a little gear coming off of it and it's function is like that of the start button in Windows
[10:46] <viewer|8684> * k button
[10:46] <hateball> viewer|8684: at your own risk you can run this in a terminal to add the PPA "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" and then upgrade "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y"
[10:49] <viewer|8684> How show those command look when entered into the terminal?
[10:50] <hateball> What?
[10:51] <viewer|8684> And what is the risk.
[10:51] <hateball> !ppa
[10:52] <hateball> well the risk is that they are not officially supported and could potentially crash or whatever
[10:52] <hateball> I'm guessing 90%+ in here are using the Kubuntu PPA however
[10:52] <hateball> the rest probably Neo
[10:52] <hateball> Neon*
[12:01]  * Walex uses Kubuntu PPA
[12:03] <soee> -.-
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:20] <moparisthebest> bahahaha I was reporting the reproducible bug I have that plasma segfaults when you click to connect to an openvpn
[15:20] <moparisthebest> and then drkonqi segfaulted....
[15:21] <moparisthebest> and you can't report bugs for it, the bug reporting application? :)
[16:57] <user|11216> Hello. Where i can get list supported video adapters for kubuntu 16.04.1 ?
[16:57] <SporkWitch> user|11216: if it's not ATI, you're probably fine
[16:58] <user|11216> its ATI :( , im trying find info about support MESA drv
[16:59] <SporkWitch> does it also have intel on-board as an option? if so, switch to that
[16:59] <SporkWitch> if not, stick to 14.04
[17:00] <user|11216> meh
[17:01] <user|11216> fglrx is not actual now ?
[17:03] <SporkWitch> nope
[17:03] <SporkWitch> removed in 15.10, i believe
[17:04] <user|11216> :(((((((((((((
[17:06] <dax> yep, use radeon or amdgpu (if your card's new enough) instead
[18:15] <skipmo_> #digikam
[18:18] <ahoneybun> !info digikam
[18:30] <mgolden> moparisthebest: How far in does it segfault?
[18:32] <moparisthebest> mgolden: I checked options like I can reproduce every time and know what I was doing when it crashed, clicked next, segfault
[19:57] <mgolden> moparisthebest: So you got the stacktrace?
[20:03] <moparisthebest> I *had* it, I can see if that's 100% reproducible like the other bug
[20:06] <moparisthebest> mgolden: drkonqi crash https://paste.kde.org/py4m4qyc0
[20:07] <moparisthebest> mgolden: here is the plasma crash I was trying to report: https://paste.kde.org/p3kqxzx5i
[20:07] <moparisthebest> is there an alternative way to report those?
[20:22] <debauchery1st> Just installed the new Kubuntu. It looks awesome. driver manager seems stuck at "collecting information about your system". Any way to fix this?
[21:18] <mparillo> Could it be this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1530523
[21:20] <mparillo> If so, comment 28 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1530523/comments/28 advises sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[21:23] <mparillo> Also you can try the command line: sudo ubuntu-drivers devices as recommended by: http://askubuntu.com/questions/761429/kubuntu-16-04-driver-manager-broken
[21:33] <SporkWitch> just be careful, the default dependency conflict resolution is sometimes destructive
[21:34] <SporkWitch> (i had it suggesting to remove most of KDE and x11 on one machine)
[21:47] <mgolden> moparisthebest: So you have the good parts.  What you can do is go to
[21:47] <mgolden> moparisthebest: https://bugs.kde.org/
[21:48] <mgolden> moparisthebest: and open two bugs - one for drkonqi and one for plama
[21:48] <mgolden> moparisthebest: be sure to paste those stack traces in
[21:53] <mgolden> mparisthebest: BTW, have you tried upgrading to the backports? Some chance it will help