[05:02] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning 
[05:02] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:17] <magespawn> good morning
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:19] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:57] <theblazehen> Hi all
[08:16] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:19] <dlPhreak> Morning everyone
[08:21] <paddatrapper> Morning dlPhreak, inetpro, theblazehen, nsnzero, thatgraemeguy, everyone 
[08:21] <theblazehen> hey paddatrapper, dlPhreak, inetpro
[08:25] <dlPhreak> paddatrapper, theblazehen, how art thee?
[08:26] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: seems like I'm getting flu again... You? 
[08:29] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: Pretty decent, you?
[08:29] <dlPhreak> My brain is still melted and I'm typing on autopilot..
[08:30] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: I know that feel..
[08:35] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: Hah, acid?
[08:36] <theblazehen> Sometimes way too little sleep combined with some of my meds. Kinda cool though. Like feel hyper alert almost. Didn't work today though :(
[08:37] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: ^
[08:44] <dlPhreak> Lol yeah I now the feels. I pop a tonne of adderall just to get work done but then the next day I'm a zombie.
[08:44] <dlPhreak> theblazehen
[08:47] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: Heh, okay
[08:47] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: Like adhd or something?
[08:55] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: actually no but adderall is pretty effective.
[09:08] <dlPhreak> Has anyone seen suicide squad yet?
[09:34] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: I have
[09:34] <paddatrapper> I quite enjoyed it
[09:50] <dlPhreak> Really? Everyone seems like like it but I really did not like it at all.
[09:58] <stumenz> Hi guys
[10:08] <theblazehen> hey stumenz
[10:09] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: what didn't you like about it? 
[10:29] <dlPhreak> paddatrapper: I thought the story was very bland and unoriginal.
[10:31] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: Bland and unoriginal: The best kind of movie to watch when you're browsing the web
[10:31] <theblazehen> gotta maximize the efficiency of your chilling out times
[10:33] <dlPhreak> Yeah but I paid with blood money to see that movie at imax.
[10:37] <theblazehen> Ah. I just stream
[10:37] <theblazehen> RIP kat.cr :(
[10:40] <dlPhreak> It's now here:  https://kickass.cd/
[10:41] <MaNI> but can it still be trusted :)
[10:42] <dlPhreak> Never trust public trackers. 
[11:43] <andrewlsd> Hi All
[11:43] <andrewlsd> Anyone here want to meetup for a beverage in Centurion this evening?
[11:48] <andrewlsd> I'll check back here a bit later, otherwise PM me. I'll be out of reception for a bit.
[11:51] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: What time?
[11:51] <theblazehen> dlPhreak: That's what seedboxes are for, right?
[12:10] <dlPhreak> theblazehen: and private trackers.
[12:16] <magespawn> anybody know of a progran that doea like VNC but with encyption but for free?
[12:16] <magespawn> enryption
[12:17] <magespawn> i give up
[12:18] <theblazehen> magespawn: Windows or linux host?
[12:37] <magespawn> mostly windows
[12:40] <MaNI> well you can of course encrypt vnc :/
[12:41] <MaNI> windows had RDP built in which is free 
[12:41] <MaNI> NX is another option
[12:46] <theblazehen> magespawn: Yeah, probably +1 on NX, but test it first. x2go is based on nx and works great on windows. Not sure if x2go is available too. Otherwise vnc + ssh
[12:47] <MaNI> on the VNC front I've found tigerVNC to outperform the others quite drastically in the past
[12:48] <MaNI> but I'll admit I've never been entirely happy with any VNC setup yet :(
[12:51] <magespawn> is rdp secure? it wasn't before in the older versions
[12:56] <theblazehen> magespawn: Yes
[12:56] <theblazehen> Might need to make sure NTLM is enabled
[12:56] <MaNI> if you enable tls/ssl it's in theory as secure as those are - there were one or two issues over the year (mostly to do with the default configuration) - but I'm not aware of any major security flaws
[12:56] <theblazehen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_the_hash just make sure you're aware of this
[12:57] <magespawn> cool thanks
[12:57] <theblazehen> But if users can capture that I think you may have bigger issues
[12:57] <MaNI> that said, not my area of expertise :p
[13:06] <Kilos> helloooooo za peeps
[13:06] <Kilos> just got back from last trip to pension offices
[13:15] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[14:15] <Symmetria> heh so, this morning we converted all our v6 clients to static ranges 
[14:15] <Symmetria> so if you have a home user link with us in KE, you now get a /48 worth of IP space with it 
[14:19] <theblazehen> Symmetria: nice
[14:19] <Symmetria> heh, I dont think with a /48 any home user will ever need another address again, ever
[14:19] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:20] <theblazehen> Symmetria: Yeah.. Even I only use a /16 internally
[14:21] <Symmetria> because in every /48 there are 120,892,581,961,462,917,470,617,6 addresses
[14:21] <Symmetria> lol I bet you don't even use a fraction of the addresses in that /16 either
[14:21] <Symmetria> I have more gadgets and IP connected crap in my house than anyone I know and I don't even fill the 255 addresses in a /24 
[14:22] <theblazehen> Symmetria: https://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-08-15-1622511157x141scrot.png not even close
[14:23] <theblazehen> Brother's downloading stuff at home, got a 10 - 15 second delay on vnc.. :/
[14:24] <theblazehen> I guess I need to create a virtual interface, and route the current networks through that so I can then properly do QOS
[14:24]  * theblazehen wonders if I should maybe just move that to a linux box rather than pfSense
[14:25] <theblazehen> Or freebsd. But I hear pf is a nice firewall
[14:25]  * theblazehen is waiting to see if I can a ^C through to VM so terminal can stop scrolling...
[14:36] <Symmetria> heh I think I have around 160 IPs in use at my house at the moment
[14:36] <Symmetria> I dont use DHCP though so I'd have to really think about it to tell you exactly
[14:36] <Symmetria> lol
[14:36] <theblazehen> heh. On what?
[14:37] <theblazehen> Max I've had was around 290 when testing how quickly I could create lxd containers
[14:37] <Symmetria> heh, a shitload of things, just as a basic start on the normal gear, let me think
[14:39] <Symmetria> Gateway, PC has 2 IPs on it (one to the internet LAN and one to the ISCSI LAN), Server has 2 IPs on it (one to Internet LAN and one to ISCSI LAN), 7 Wifi AP's, 3 Laptops, 5 Cellphones, 2 IPAD's, 15 CCTV Cameras, 3 Baby Monitors, 5 Smart Televisions 
[14:39] <Symmetria> :P and thats just the start of it before I start talking about other random shit and virtual machines etc 
[14:40] <Symmetria> heh so thats 44 just on physical hardware 
[14:41] <Symmetria> oh, there are IPs on the Sound System and on the smarthome control system as well
[14:41] <Symmetria> oh and IPs on the two UPS's and 1 rectifier 
[14:41] <Symmetria> lol
[14:41] <magespawn> i am sure that is a normal home use scenario
[14:43] <theblazehen> CCTV's are kinda cheating :) But teah, cool
[15:04] <aalston_> mmmmm
[15:05] <Symmetria> how much would a 100/100 package cost you in ZA at the moment
[15:05] <Symmetria> (uncapped)
[15:26] <magespawn> R1599 
[15:29] <Kilos> Maaz seen chesedo
[15:29] <Maaz> Kilos: chesedo was last seen 3 days, 8 hours, 52 minutes and 45 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-08-11 23:36:19 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-08-12 22:19:13 PDT
[15:29] <Kilos> ai!
[15:34] <Symmetria> magespawn does that include last mile or not?
[15:42] <magespawn> thats the monthly cost from the isp
[16:18] <magespawn> chat later 
[16:18] <magespawn> home time
[17:29] <Cryterion> hi
[17:30] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[17:30] <Kilos> and ra1v3n 
[17:30] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[17:32] <Cryterion> Kilos, do you know why the bottom task bar in could suddenly stop displaying the running desktop apps?
[17:32] <inetpro> oh wb Kilos
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my
[17:33] <Kilos> konversation?
[17:33] <Kilos> ty inetpro , i get pension from next month wooot
[17:34] <Kilos> then ill be able to look at better packages
[17:34] <Cryterion> heya inetpro
[17:39] <inetpro> great news Kilos!
[17:39] <Kilos> yeah
[17:40] <Kilos> all good there inetpro ?
[17:40] <inetpro> sign up for the Unlimited deal :-)
[17:40] <Kilos> cost?
[17:40] <Kilos> i still have to save for plane tickets hey
[17:41] <inetpro> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/173658-this-is-how-telkoms-unlimited-freeme-fair-use-policy-works.html
[17:42] <inetpro> Telkom’s new contracts kill Vodacom and MTN’s http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/172938-telkoms-new-contracts-kill-vodacom-and-mtns.html
[17:43] <inetpro> Kilos: how much have you been working with now?
[17:43] <Kilos> 200
[17:43] <inetpro> 200MB?
[17:44] <Kilos> it used to be 3g for 2 months but almost 3g monthly now
[17:44] <Kilos> R199
[17:44] <inetpro> ah
[17:46] <inetpro> 1GB: R99, 2GB: R149, 5GB: R299, 10GB: R399, 20GB: R599, Unlimited: R999
[17:46] <Kilos> eish
[17:46] <Kilos> no man the 3g is cheaper im sure
[17:47] <Kilos> the 10G bundle could be good for me
[17:47] <Kilos> then i can upgrade often again'
[17:47] <Kilos> hehe
[17:47] <Kilos> but you guys have given me too much work to have playtime anymore
[17:48] <Kilos> even the 5gig bundle looks good
[17:49] <Kilos> dont forget ill be saving for plane tickets all the time too
[17:49] <Kilos> and maybe a faster pc
[17:49] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <Kilos> my girls will kill me
[17:51] <inetpro> you planning to travel often?
[17:51] <Kilos> depends on the next 3 months , but atm yes as much as possible
[17:52] <Kilos> 30 years to catch up
[17:54] <inetpro> cool!
[17:56] <Kilos> exciting times ahead
[17:56] <Kilos> 14 days till i fly
[17:56] <Kilos> bit scared but no other options
[17:58] <inetpro> I can imagine
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe weird but ive never been in a plane
[17:58] <inetpro> you'll be fine
[17:59] <Kilos> and i get lost in town so whats gonna happen in abu dabi
[17:59] <inetpro> wow, you first fly North?
[17:59] <Kilos> yes 2 hours in abu dabi
[17:59] <Kilos> cheapest flight
[17:59] <inetpro> interesting
[18:00] <Kilos> direct flight is 5 k more
[18:01] <Kilos> fly 30th arrive 31st and 6am board meeting at 6am on the 1st
[18:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:02] <inetpro> and when you come back you arrive here before leaving that side?
[18:02] <Kilos> oh inetpro pavlushka has applied for membership
[18:03] <Kilos> hahaha yes weird hey
[18:03] <Kilos> im gonna have bad jet lag
[18:04] <paddatrapper> Kilos: first time I was on a plane was last year. It is a weird experience, but great fun for about the first half :p
[18:05] <Kilos> eish i have a 24 hour trip
[18:05] <Kilos> and how to sleep with someone else driving 
[18:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:05] <Kilos> you cant get out and push
[18:07] <SEptic> eve all
[18:07] <paddatrapper> Well you can always wake up and push! 
[18:07] <paddatrapper> Hey SEptic
[18:07] <SEptic> hi paddatrapper
[18:08] <paddatrapper> How you doing SEptic? 
[18:08] <Kilos> hi SEptic 
[18:08] <SEptic> doing good
[18:08] <SEptic> self?
[18:08] <SEptic> hey Kilos
[18:08] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:08] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[18:09] <SEptic> any1 here use Virtualbox a lot?
[18:09] <paddatrapper> Good thanks 
[18:09] <magespawn> SEptic: a bit 
[18:09] <paddatrapper> SEptic: I used to. Then realised I have no need for windows VM's
[18:09] <SEptic> rofl!
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> you can use vms in ubuntu as well
[18:10] <magespawn> nice one paddatrapper 
[18:10] <Kilos> i once ran one ubuntu release in another ones vm
[18:11] <SEptic> i'm probably doing something stupid but ... in a win7 ultimate VM i run / work on a project from the host's share, no problems
[18:11] <Kilos> used virtualbox but hear that k thing is better
[18:11] <paddatrapper> Kilos: KVM
[18:11] <Kilos> ya that ty paddatrapper 
[18:11] <Kilos> i like k things
[18:11] <paddatrapper> It is. And it's open source 
[18:11] <paddatrapper> Lol
[18:12] <magespawn> hah Kilos 
[18:12] <paddatrapper> SEptic: what are you struggling with? 
[18:12] <SEptic> however when i do a semi-intensive compile / build on the application, it just sucks CPU and doesn't get the build done
[18:12] <Kilos> even got a k dev guy following me all over hehe
[18:12] <SEptic> i've noticed this with Phoenix Contact (AutomationWorx) as well as LabView from National Instruments
[18:12] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:12] <Kilos> anyone interested in translating
[18:12] <paddatrapper> SEptic: how many cores are you giving the guest? 
[18:13] <Kilos> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/tree/master/source/locale
[18:13] <SEptic> 2 cores guest, 2 cores host ... only have 4 :/
[18:13] <paddatrapper> SEptic: And RAM?
[18:13] <SEptic> 4GB ram
[18:13] <paddatrapper> Try give it another GB or so? 
[18:13] <Kilos> another 4g
[18:14] <magespawn> 4GB total?
[18:14] <Kilos> dont skimp on ram if you can
[18:14] <SEptic> 4GB for the guest
[18:14] <Kilos> ah thats ok
[18:14] <SEptic> the guest VM is only using about 1.4GB RAM
[18:14] <paddatrapper> Unfortunately because of how virtualisation works it will never work as optimally on the same amount of resources as if it was running on bare metal
[18:14] <SEptic> very true
[18:14] <paddatrapper> Try 3 cores? Though that's pushing it a bit 
[18:15] <SEptic> hmm, will give it a bash
[18:16] <paddatrapper> KVM is a little more powerful when it comes to optimizing virtual hardware 
[18:16] <SEptic> the second i change it and copy the applications to the guest C:\ and compile, it spits out the compile in 4 or 5 secs, running off a share it just loses its mind
[18:16] <SEptic> oh yea?
[18:16] <SEptic> havent looked at KVM before
[18:16]  * magespawn goes to do some reading on KVM
[18:17] <Kilos> hey you clever guys
[18:17] <paddatrapper> I am yet to find a nice front end for it (would love to though, so if you find anything shout), but apparently it blows VirtualBox out the water 
[18:17] <Kilos> i bought a chinese webcam but have a prob now
[18:18] <sicelo> :)
[18:18] <sicelo> you're green? :p
[18:18] <Kilos> internal speakers crashed so need to get and audio adapter so i can use separate headfones
[18:18] <paddatrapper> You have slanted eyes? 
[18:18] <Kilos> does one get such adapters
[18:19] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Does your pc have an audio out jack? 
[18:19] <paddatrapper> (small round hole). I'll get a picture now now 
[18:19] <SEptic> Kilos: a USB sound card?
[18:19] <Kilos> its a lappy and yes it has one but if webcam is in i dont get audio
[18:20] <sicelo> linux?
[18:20] <Kilos> duh?
[18:21] <Kilos> always only linux
[18:21] <SEptic> lol
[18:21] <paddatrapper> Ah Kilos that is the mic input you've plugged in 
[18:21] <sicelo> check the volume control .. look at the input/output settngs
[18:21] <Kilos> yes it has mic in and audio out all in one
[18:21] <SEptic> i like that answer "always only linux"
[18:21] <Kilos> desktop has separate sockets
[18:22] <SEptic> laptop model?
[18:22] <Kilos> thinkpad t410i
[18:22] <Kilos> was hoping to be able to skype for 24 hours in the sky
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe
[18:22] <paddatrapper> Ah I see. Then what you can do is find a pair of headphones that go to the combo jack or a converter that goes from 2 mini jacks to one 
[18:23] <paddatrapper> I'll see if I can find a link 
[18:23] <Kilos> ya the converter thing is what i nead
[18:23] <Kilos> 2 into one
[18:23] <Kilos> nt sure if they will clash though
[18:25] <paddatrapper> Kilos: http://i.stack.imgur.com/6ByWv.jpg
[18:25] <paddatrapper> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/595423486/JL0033-3-5mm-Headset-Audio-Jack-TRRS-Connector-Black-20-Piece-.jpg
[18:25] <Kilos> ty paddatrapper 
[18:26] <paddatrapper> Not sure where you can get them locally though... I usually just make them
[18:26] <Kilos> see
[18:26] <Kilos> theres the prob i worry about
[18:27] <paddatrapper> If you're willing to wait for the post I can send you one!
[18:27] <Kilos> the webcam plug has three sections only
[18:27] <Kilos> you have?
[18:27] <paddatrapper> Yeah because it is only a microphone
[18:27] <paddatrapper> I can make on in the next few days
[18:27] <Kilos> yes but look at it
[18:27] <Kilos> the three connections 
[18:28] <Kilos> the 2 nearest the plastic are solid
[18:28] <Kilos> wont that short it out
[18:28] <Kilos> the one nearest plastic is mic i think
[18:29] <Kilos> then neutral then left and right audio
[18:29] <Kilos> iirc
[18:29] <paddatrapper> No - it is designed so that connecting a 3 connector one works for speakers, and a 4 connector adds a mic
[18:29] <Kilos> oh cool
[18:30] <paddatrapper> That's why your audio is cutting out - it thinks the mic is actually headphones and it's trying to play through it when in fact it is trying to send sound to the PC...
[18:30] <Kilos> paddatrapper first get courier cost so i can pay it . snail mail wont be here in 2 weeks
[18:31] <Kilos> or maybe i can find one locally
[18:31] <Kilos> just need to find where
[18:31] <paddatrapper> You should be able to find one at the local PC or audio shop
[18:31] <MaNI> SEptic, FWIW I did extensive benchmarking of software compiles on both Virtualbox and KVM a few years back and KVM totally blew virtualbox out the water
[18:31] <Kilos> what is it called
[18:32] <MaNI> I use only KVM for my dev VMs now as a result
[18:32] <Kilos> see SEptic stuff with K in are better
[18:32] <Kilos> ty MaNI 
[18:33] <MaNI> if your use case is compiling things I'd strongly recommend trying KVM - using the direct passthrough for IO though is especially important
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Dual TRS 3.5" jack to single TRRS 3.5" jack (probably ask for a mic + headphone connectors to a dual connector)
[18:33] <Kilos> ty frog boots
[18:33] <SEptic> MaNI: aaah i see!
[18:33] <MaNI> compiling is usually quite an IO bound task - and VirtualBox IO hit is just too much
[18:33] <Kilos> you handy to have around
[18:34] <SEptic> that makes sense, i figure that pulling a compile across a share is a different type of traffic
[18:34] <SEptic> hence why i can open and create applications no problem
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Kilos: show them this: https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/MUYHSMFF.Main.jpg
[18:34] <SEptic> and also, same issue with more than one type of 3rd party software package
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i can make that
[18:35] <MaNI> if you are compiling off a network share thats always going to hurt - compiling software usually consists of lots of small file access
[18:35] <MaNI> so any added latency to file open/read will hurt
[18:36] <SEptic> makes perfect sense
[18:36] <MaNI> but again if you must do that - KVM will probably do it faster at least
[18:36] <Kilos> MaNI you still like us?
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Kilos: even better :) 
[18:37] <SEptic> i'm gonna try KVM
[18:37] <SEptic> thanks MaNI
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:37] <Kilos> friendliest cleverest channel on the net
[18:37] <paddatrapper> SEptic: once you've worked it out let me know? :D
[18:39] <SEptic> hahaha
[18:39] <MaNI> I personally do basically all my non linux (windows osx) development in a bunch of KVM machines - the performance hit is so tiny that I barely notice it
[18:39] <SEptic> paddatrapper: I've become a master at documenting installations so yea, will do
[18:41] <SEptic> MaNI: i guess i could just side-step the issue and copy the application onto the VM's C:\ and work on there ... but defeats the point of VMs, i'd spend all day copying files around
[19:07] <SEptic> yoh
[19:07] <SEptic> KVM for president
[19:08] <SEptic> installation was too easy
[19:08] <SEptic> gonna backup this one VM then give an identical test to the issue i was having on Vbox
[19:11] <Kilos> yay for the k stuff
[19:16] <SEptic> indeed
[19:17] <magespawn> iam off
[19:17] <magespawn> i am off
[19:17] <magespawn> good night all
[19:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:22] <SEptic> night