[00:00] <theorem> k1l_: this seems to work ... :  dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver /org/gnome/ScreenSaver org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock
[00:00] <de-facto> murphy_ you may want to read up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm and also http://askubuntu.com/questions/7002/how-to-set-up-multiple-hard-drives-as-one-volume/7841#7841
[00:00] <k1l_> theorem: you are running a end-of-life ubuntu. no one will ever fix anything on that anymore. you should make sure to upgrade to 14.04
[00:00] <murphy_> thanks de-facto im reading up on both right now
[00:01] <theorem> k1l_: yes, have to consider that.  lots of things to break and migrate though.  That's why I've been putting it off.
[00:01] <k1l_> if you dont like upgrading: install and stay on the LTS versions
[00:01] <cores> hi does anyone here speak chinese?
[00:01] <k1l_> theorem: you are very late. its a security issue and doesnt get any updates since july 2014
[00:02] <theorem> k1l_: ah, so kinda bad.
[00:02] <k1l_> so, you should focus on making backups of important stuff and upgrade to 14.04. maybe the locking issue is gone anyways then :)
[00:02] <tgm4883> !cn | cores
[00:02] <theorem> k1l_: the problem was every time I did a major upgrade on Ubuntu the next version would break something.
[00:03] <theorem> k1l_: can't backup 22TB anywhere else.
[00:03] <tgm4883> theorem: 22TB of data shouldn't be on your OS drive
[00:03] <adriano_> net
[00:03] <theorem> tgm4883: it's not, but it is ZFS
[00:04] <tgm4883> theorem: zfs on 13.10, yikes
[00:04] <k1l_> the upgrades on ubuntu get automated testings since some time.  so for the general setup and original ubuntu repo packages the ugprades do work
[00:04] <theorem> k1l_: just because it's automated doesn;t mean all the cases are covered.
[00:05] <theorem> k1l_: for example, there's a bluetooth issue with 16.04  --  been having problems for months.
[00:05] <k1l_> theorem: as i said: for the packages from the repo and common setups.
[00:05] <theorem> k1l_: is zfsforlinux on repos ?
[00:06] <k1l_> theorem: but, you have no choice. since you choose to not install a LTS version, you knew you had to upgrade after the EOL timeframe. only LTS releases do have 5 years support timeframe.
[00:06] <theorem> k1l_: which versions are LTS ?
[00:06] <theorem> 13.04 ?  14.04 ?
[00:07] <OerHeks> if you don't have a backup of your data, it is not important. golden rule
[00:07] <tgm4883> theorem: even years
[00:07] <tgm4883> !lts
[00:07] <k1l_> theorem: 12.04, 14.04, 16.04,...
[00:07] <theorem> OerHeks: dual rudundant drives in 1 location is OK.  still important, not mission critical to warrant 2x the cost.
[00:08] <theorem> *grumble*
[00:08] <theorem> ok
[00:08] <theorem> I will move up the timeline to upgrade.
[00:08] <tgm4883> theorem: That's high availability, not a backup
[00:08] <k1l_> there is no way around the fact, that you need to upgrade or make a new install.
[00:08] <theorem> tgm4883: touche -- you're right.
[00:09] <theorem> alright, then let's talk upgrade.
[00:09] <theorem> let's assume 16.04 is a target.
[00:10] <k1l_> doesnt work
[00:10] <theorem> I have a 500G SSD for this.
[00:10] <k1l_> you need to upgrade to 14.04 first. from that you can do a second upgrade to 16.04
[00:10] <theorem> do I jump through the upgrades sequentially from 14 - 16 , or cut bait and jump to a clean install of 16.04 ?
[00:10] <theorem> I'm bound to break a ton of stuff ...
[00:11] <tgm4883> theorem: you would have to upgrade to 14.04, then you could upgrade directly to 16.04
[00:11] <stephenmac7> Jordan_U: Are you still there? I've read a few articles on it but since I'm booting in legacy mode I don't have access to any of the tools for EFI.
[00:11] <theorem> tgm4883: yes, how do I flip it onto another physical drive ?
[00:11] <theorem> can I choose the upgrade target drive ?
[00:11] <k1l_> its your decision if you want to make a clean 16.04 install or do the upgrade to 14.04 and then 16.04
[00:12] <k1l_> flip the upgrade to another drive?
[00:12] <theorem> yes, just thought of a solution ...
[00:12] <tgm4883> theorem: you've have to clone the drive somehow
[00:12] <k1l_> i dont think you understand what a upgrade is?
[00:12] <theorem> tgm4883: upgrading software is replacing it.  usually in-place.
[00:12] <theorem> this would be "not in place"
[00:12] <tgm4883> theorem: correct
[00:12] <theorem> but anyhow, off to dd.
[00:13] <k1l_> you could clone the OS from a live OS onto the new ssd.
[00:13] <theorem> would need to clone from 1TB to 500G
[00:13] <theorem> can I rezise during clone , or only after ?
[00:13] <theorem> *resize
[00:14] <k1l_> you are making this more difficult every time now.
[00:14] <k1l_> maybe its best you make a clean 16.04 install onto the ssd, set it up how you like it. then boot and run that
[00:14] <theorem> maybe.
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Sorry, got called away . what have we for the control file ' cat /etc/network/interfaces " ?
[00:22] <talmos> python
[00:27] <Neccy> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/m3uA0u9h
[00:28] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Look'n .
[00:31] <Bashing-om> Neccy: That too is correct for when network-manager is active . Now what returns ' ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ' ? As I still look at this as a config issue as pong on 127.0.0.1 is good .
[00:31] <deidyomega> I'm confused about using upstart
[00:32] <k1l_> deidyomega: on what ubuntu release?
[00:32] <deidyomega> I have an service I just created, and can start it with service myprog start/stop
[00:32] <deidyomega> 14.04 lts
[00:32] <deidyomega> it's stored in /etc/init/myprog.conf
[00:32] <k1l_> ok
[00:32] <deidyomega> However, when I restart, it doesn't autorun
[00:33] <deidyomega> when I restart: status myprog --> waiting/stop
[00:33] <tgm4883> deidyomega: have you checked the logs? maybe it's starting and failing to start?
[00:33] <smokeless> deidyomega: is there an event triggering it to start?
[00:33] <deidyomega> start on startup
[00:34] <deidyomega> Where would the logs be?
[00:34] <Neccy> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/3UX14KHP
[00:34] <tgm4883> deidyomega: /var/log/upstart/jobname
[00:36] <deidyomega> tgm4883:  It appears to be failing because its starting before postgresql is running.  can I have the start on be last in line?
[00:36] <tgm4883> deidyomega: does postgresql start via upstart? if so, you could just wait for that to start
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Neccy: That too is proper . And if we bring the network up manually ' ifconfig enp6s0 up ' what results ?
[00:38] <deidyomega> service postgresql Usage: /etc/init.d/postgresql {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|status} [version ..]
[00:38] <deidyomega> ^--- does that mean yes?
[00:39] <theorem> k1l_: ok, question on swap for SSD drives and 8G of RAM
[00:39] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Still just does the never ending "Wired Connecting" thing
[00:39] <theorem> k1l_: I feel like with that much RAM swap is kinda useless now.
[00:39] <Neccy> Bashing-om: with the three dots in the icon
[00:41] <helpmepls> hey
[00:42] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Well. well .. then is network-manager fully installed ' dpkg -l network-manager' ?
[00:42] <helpmepls> can i dual-boot win10 with ubuntu? i set up a raid5 array (5x500GB HDDs) and idk if win10 will work since my filesystem is already formatted under EXT4
[00:43] <tgm4883> deidyomega: maybe. You might have to get fancy like this when I had to wait for mysql to be up https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/master/deb/debian/mythtv-backend.upstart
[00:45] <Neccy> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/Vnv5r7yC
[00:45] <deidyomega> tgm4883: I'll try that.  If that fails, could I just do:  exec sleep 10; python myprogram.  Because I'm sure within 10 seconds all services will be up and ready
[00:47] <helpmepls> is anyone here experienced with dual boot windows and ubuntu?
[00:47] <smokeless> helpmepls: What's the problem?
[00:47] <helpmepls> well i had a question
[00:47] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Now its saying "Wired connected" but no internet connection
[00:47] <helpmepls> I have already installed Ubuntu and formatted it under EXT4. I also set up a RAID5 Array with 5 500GB HDD's. Can I install Windows 10 normally, or do I have to reformat/free up a disk for the installation? Thanks.
[00:48] <OerHeks> !dualboot
[00:48] <OerHeks> install windows first ..
[00:48] <Bashing-om> !info network-manager
[00:48] <smokeless> helpmepls: windows first, windows is going to want to overwrite your grub.
[00:49] <smokeless> helpmepls: though if you give it a space you can probably rescue disk your system and get your grub all sorted and pointing to the right spots.
[00:49] <Neccy> Bashing-om: is googles dns server 8.8.8.8?
[00:49] <helpmepls> smokeless: ok, i guess i will try that because id rather not reinstall ubuntu
[00:50] <OerHeks> windows cannot handle ext3/4 .. so yes, make free space, but then again, maybe win10 wipes all..
[00:50] <helpmepls> setting up the RAID array took long enough
[00:51] <Blue1> OerHeks: Windows will only see windows partitions.  It won't see anything created by Linux.  However, if you install Windows, it overwrites the boot block.  You can re-install grub after doing a windows install to get your Linux back.
[00:51] <smokeless> helpmepls: what blue1 said.
[00:51] <helpmepls> so install windows and then reinstall grub?
[00:52] <helpmepls> thanks for the help, i will try it out
[00:52] <Blue1> OerHeks: This is a fairly straightforward method of re-installing grub:  http://www.pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/
[00:53] <energizer1> Somehow my default file manager is Disk Usage Analyzer. How can i change this?
[00:53] <energizer1> 14.04
[00:53] <deidyomega> tgm4883:  Thanks for the help, I just added a while loop to wait for sql to be ready, then start the main execution.  It's likely not the *correct* solution, but it works for me
[00:54] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Well fully installed . can  not tell if it is up2date . Have a read through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#Editing_Network_Settings_in_nm-connection-editor and see if you see a setting out of place in the GUI .
[00:54] <OerHeks> Blue1, i would use our guide, but i give no guarantee with installing windows 10
[00:54] <OerHeks> !#grub
[00:55] <energizer1> x
[01:02] <tyler_d> evening folks
[01:03] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:03] <MannyLNJ> Hello. I had to download a DDNS client from my ISP  and when i execute it I get the follwong error ./ddnsd: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:03] <OerHeks> i can open & close my dvd-tray, but i can not poweroff my printer.
[01:04] <OerHeks> !find libcurl
[01:04] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: you need curl
[01:04] <tyler_d> :p
[01:05] <OerHeks> wild guess: libcurl33
[01:05] <OerHeks> err libcurl3
[01:05] <tyler_d> OerHeks: good guess.... by 1000 people
[01:05] <tyler_d> lol
[01:06] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Ill check that. Did did you notice if my drivers looked ok?
[01:06] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: thank you
[01:06] <Mojtaba> Hi, I am trying to login using TTY1, but it is blank. (16.04 LTS) Any idea?
[01:07] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: curl is supposedly installed already and is current
[01:07] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: what about the other ttys?
[01:07] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: what version?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Driver is loaded . And as Intel . I do expect it is correct . The card is good . Not known is the cable !
[01:08] <breathe> wat is this
[01:08] <tyler_d> !irc
[01:08] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: and what are you doing down in the tty?
[01:08] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: of curl? curl 7.35.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.35.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1f zlib/1.2.8 libidn/1.28 librtmp/2.3
[01:08] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ye. wireless is expected because i havnt had a change to connect and download additional drivers ( i would have thought?) as for wired, idk..
[01:09] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: I'm trying to run my ISP's DDNS client for Linux (optimun.net)
[01:09] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: what is the ddns? ie. is it for noip or such?
[01:09] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: it's my ISP's ddns so I can host my own mail server
[01:10] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: ddns = dynamic dns
[01:10] <tyler_d> or domain name server
[01:10] <tyler_d> you have a dynamic ip address trying to host mail
[01:10] <tyler_d> I can only assume
[01:10] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: dymanic dns
[01:10] <tyler_d> painful
[01:10] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Wired connection is the default . Nother thought, I bet if ya boot up the liveDVD that the wired connectiuon will work . That will be a quick easy check .
[01:10] <tyler_d> I've always used wget http://www.no-ip.com/client/linux/noip-duc-linux.tar.gz
[01:11] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: sounds like either way you need to get libcurl working though
[01:11] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: My ISP's instructions are at http://optimumbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1930/related/1
[01:11] <Neccy> Bashing-om: tried that.didnt work
[01:11] <Neccy> :(
[01:11] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: reading
[01:11] <Neccy> Bashing-om: might have a word with the sales
[01:11] <Mojtaba> tyler_d: No TTY
[01:11] <Mojtaba> except TTY7, which is graphical
[01:12] <fione> Hello.
[01:12] <bo0z3> hello, world!
[01:12] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Now that is a surprise that the liveDVD had no network functionality  ! In the installer boot menu is " check disk for defects" is the copy good ?
[01:12] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: are you sure? try typing your creds, often the screen resolution is messed in TTY
[01:12] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: where is the script please?
[01:12] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: I'm going to assume since your here it's opensource
[01:13] <Mojtaba> tyler_d: alt+ctrl+f1, blank black screen
[01:13] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: try logging in... type your username, enter, then password and enter
[01:13] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: it came from my ISP url is https://sitecontrol.webhosting.optimum.net/SiteControl/static/com/hostway/plugins/ddns/bin/ddnsd-linux.tar.gz
[01:13] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ye. i think it will have that.
[01:13] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: or press enter a bunch and see if you see hte login prompt
[01:13] <Neccy> Bashing-om: shall i give it a go?
[01:13] <Mojtaba> tyler_d: nothing
[01:14] <fione> So... I've read the first chapter of secureshell : the definitive guide. Help, I don't understand a thing? Still new at ubuntu, I am.
[01:14] <Neccy> Bashing-om: however. i tried an old live cd, and no connectivity on that also
[01:14] <Neccy> Bashing-om: maybe its inompatible hardware
[01:15] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: I used tar -xvf to extract the archive
[01:15] <Neccy> incompatable *
[01:15] <Bashing-om> Neccy: I am to the point of considering seriously a bad install .. likely due to a bad copy of the .iso file . Wont take long to verify that the image is good " check disk for defects" on that liveDVD(USB) .
[01:15] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: MannyLNJ 2 secs
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Neccy: It is Intel . and Intel supports us very well . Not likely a driver issue .
[01:16] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: take your time. All help is appreciated
[01:16] <burak> MannyLNJ: hey, pm me
[01:17] <Neccy> Bashing-om: is it strange that its an amd processor but intel NIC?
[01:17] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: they have taken minimal effort to encrypt that, so
[01:17] <Bashing-om> IF the disk checks good, then is the cable known good ( wired ) ? and is there a router in the configuration of your network ?
[01:17] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: either get the source code from them, or try a different app sadly
[01:18] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: I think optimum uses  hostaway for their business hosts. At least thats what the windows version is showing.
[01:18] <tyler_d> Mojtaba: you should drop to tty1 and press enter a bunch...
[01:18] <Mojtaba> tyler_d: yep
[01:19] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: you can't expect that any free irc is going to hack beyond encryption though...
[01:19] <Neccy> Bashing-om: if it was windows it would be just a matter of installing the discs.
[01:19] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Not at all strange for Intel NIC on AMD board .. I have Abit board running AMD procesors and Nvidia as the NIC(s) .
[01:19] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: I'm sorry, but you need to call them at this point as they've not allowed troubleshooting of the file
[01:19] <OerHeks> MannyLNJ, i think you cannot use that ddns client from your isp, use the one in ubuntu? > ddns3-client
[01:20] <tyler_d> or like OerHeks says, use a diff client..
[01:20] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: thank you
[01:22] <Neccy> Bashing-om: im gong to have to go offline for abit to test this cable. if i dont return can i just say thanks.
[01:24] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Oh .. well not doce much to help . We ar not done 'til you are up .. I will be here for a few more hours yet . IF we get stuck on this .. there are others I can call in for assistance .
[01:25] <OerHeks> maybe time to say what machine gives these issues, Neccy
[01:25] <OerHeks> sure there must be simular users ..
[01:26]  * OerHeks wonders why people don't mention this vital info 
[01:28] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: could it be I need the 32bit version of libcurl?
[01:31] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: That was the problem! I did 'sudo apt-get install curl:i386' and now the ddns client works. Did that remove the 64bit libraries
[01:37] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: oops much, did they provide requirements for this?
[01:37] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: might have saved some headache... but I'm happy you got it fixed
[01:38] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: No they didn't. I did some more googling and found that error on an old stackoverflow page that mentioned 32 bix vs 674 bit
[01:39] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: how can I check that I didn't lose the 64bit curl library
[01:39] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: search for it?
[01:40] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: or alternately run curl `which curl`
[01:40] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: but it's the library, not curl
[01:40] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: so searching your system would be easiest...
[01:41] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: Thanks again. Now to get Zimbra setup
[01:43] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: lol
[01:43] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: now that I know.
[01:45] <MannyLNJ> tyler_d: Care to help me get that setup then?
[01:49] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: go to #zimbra
[01:49] <tyler_d> MannyLNJ: i'm in there as well on YT Live
[01:57] <Mike123890> hello, I am trying to upgrade from 14.10 but unable to connect to  http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[01:57] <Mike123890> seems like it down: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <tyler_d> Mike123890: okay.
[02:00] <Mike123890> tyler_d: is it ok?
[02:01] <tyler_d> Mike123890: well, it's down. and I'm not clear on the validity of the site
[02:01] <tyler_d> Mike123890: what's stopping you from doing dist-upgrade?
[02:02] <Mike123890> getting error W: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/Release.gpg  Unable to connect to old-releases.ubuntu.com:http: on apt-get update
[02:03] <Mike123890> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gives me: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:03] <tyler_d> Mike123890: it would appear to have a dns record
[02:04] <Mike123890> tyler_d: you mean the site is really down or something on my end?
[02:04] <tyler_d> Mike123890: but it is down, and I'm not sure hwat you mean by okay?
[02:05] <Mike123890> tyler_d: i mean is it expected to be down? like moved to different addres or so?
[02:05] <tyler_d> Mike123890: archive.ubuntu.com is still good
[02:06] <tyler_d> Mike123890: update your sources list as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Breezy?_ga=1.91171930.1502092347.1471313041
[02:07] <tyler_d> cp -r your/sources.list/file ~/sources.list.BAK
[02:07] <tyler_d> then copy and paste over and tias
[02:07] <Mike123890> tyler_d: that exacly what I did - replaced the original repo with old-releases in sources.list
[02:08] <Mike123890> tyler_d: should I try with archive.ubuntu.com?
[02:10] <Neccy> Bashing-om: I thinking; if I could install the driver on that disk "compat-wireless-3.0", maybe i could use the wireless to update and download the additional drivers, which might get me around the problem?
[02:10] <Neccy> Bashing-om: might work doing it at that angle
[02:10] <Mike123890> tyler_d: tried... getting 404s now
[02:10] <tyler_d> Neccy: if your kernel supports it even
[02:11] <tyler_d> Mike123890: okay, well that's.... better?
[02:11] <Bashing-om> Neccy: If networking is functional in the liveDVD .. that is an option .
[02:11] <Mike123890> tyler_d: nope :) it was the original error I was getting
[02:11] <Neccy> Bashing-om: not functional in live cd
[02:12] <Mike123890> tyler_d: seems like I have to wait until old-releases is up again?
[02:12] <Neccy> Bashing-om: might have no option to call the company i bough it off tommorow. dont know how that will go.
[02:12] <Bashing-om> Neccy: " < OerHeks> maybe time to say what machine gives these issues, Neccy " .
[02:13] <Neccy> Bashing-om, OerHeks: My hardware?
[02:14] <zthodd> how do i get a free client fro irc on ubuntu
[02:14] <zthodd> for
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Neccy: More than just the hardware .. the actual machine (name) and it's motherboard .
[02:15] <Bashing-om> zthodd: Install one from the repo .. there are several . I am partital to the terminal irc client irssi .
[02:15] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Motherboard: Gigabyte 990X. Made by a company who builds computers in the UK.
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Neccy: I find a bios setting ! " Also look for "iommu controller" and set it to "enable." "".
[02:18] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ahh. bios. .. ok.. F2?
[02:21] <Neccy> Bashing-om: im in bios
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Look for the iommu settings . Once more I find " In the BIOS, set IOMMU to "Enabled". That fixed both USB and networking for me. " .
[02:23] <Neccy> Bashing-om: OK. ill restart...
[02:24] <Neccy> Bashing-om: *looks around*
[02:24] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Fingers crossed .
[02:28] <propetis> To bad Hillary Clinton is a crooked old hag
[02:29] <Bashing-om> propetis: If you are looking for an argument -- or a political debate, you are in the wrong channel .
[02:30] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Some of the usb ports are working now, and my thumb wifi nic is working. However, pci wifi and wired connections are not.
[02:30] <Neccy> Bashing-om: maybe its another bios setting
[02:31] <Neccy> Bashing-om: maybe i should check the additional drivers using my thumb wifi nic.
[02:31] <Neccy> :s
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Let's use what we have ! As the thumb wiresless driver is functional . get this system updated . ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' . then we see what remains to be done .
[02:36] <Neccy> Bashing-om: 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get-upgrade' ?
[02:37] <Neccy> Bashing-om: with the semi colon together?
[02:37] <tyler_d> umm.
[02:37] <tyler_d> n/m
[02:39] <Bashing-om> Neccy: While one can run it together with the simi-colon . that ';' is a separator to show as 2 commands , and best run the commands one at a time .
[02:39] <Neccy> Bashing-om: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get-upgrade'  - i did this, nvm
[02:40] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ok. done.
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Neccy: K: and now what returns ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' ?
[02:42] <Neccy> Bashing-om: this: amd64-microcode /n nvidia-361
[02:44] <Neccy> - in 'Additional Drivers' however mad64-microcode is listed as "this device is not working"
[02:45] <MannyLNJ> Trying to get all my services setup I keep making things worse. I lost my dhcp server and now dnsmaq won't start it says  dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for 192.168.1.3: Address already in use
[02:47] <Neccy> Bashing-om: im going to restart for them to take effect.
[02:47] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Humm .. amd64-mucrocode should have updatd . what returns ' grep -w AMD /proc/cpuinfo ' ?
[02:48] <patricio> hola
[02:49] <Neccy> Bashing-om: six cores of "AMD FX(tm) - 6300 Six-core Processor
[02:49] <Neccy> "
[02:49] <Guest25166> hola
[02:54]  * theorem stretches
[02:54] <theorem> ok, kicking off the drive copy k1l_  :)
[02:56] <MannyLNJ_> I need help with DNSMASQ it says it can't listen
[03:00] <Bashing-om> Neccy: We for sure want the amd64-microcode working . see: ' apt show amd64-microcode ' .
[03:02] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, permission denied?
[03:02] <Neccy> Bashing-om: paste.ubuntu.com/23060232/
[03:02] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: I don't think so says address is in use but it is not giving out IP's
[03:03] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, ok, let me see what i can find about it
[03:03] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, is this the message? "dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use."
[03:03] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: yes it is
[03:04] <glitchd> is it listed with this command?
[03:04] <glitchd> netstat -anlp | grep -w LISTEN
[03:06] <Neccy> Bashing-om: do you think there could be another bios setting to enable ethernet nic and wireless pci
[03:06] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: yes I see dnsmasq in that lsit
[03:06] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: tcp        0      0 127.0.1.1:53            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1697/dnsmasq
[03:07] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, it seems that dnsmasq is just throwing errors, i found a post describing this problem and the steps taken to fix it.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Yeah .. there could be additional setting for networking in bios . I am still concerned "  Neccy> - in 'Additional Drivers' however mad64-microcode is listed as "this device is not working" "".
[03:08] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: Whats the link?
[03:08] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, these are the steps
[03:08] <glitchd> I got around this by replacing dnsmasq-base with dnsmasq. Because of dependencies on it, I did the following:
[03:08] <glitchd> sudo apt-get remove dnsmasq-base (this removes network manager...)
[03:08] <glitchd> sudo apt-get install dnsmasq
[03:08] <glitchd> sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome
[03:09] <Neccy> Bashing-om: https://askubuntu.com/questions/613579/unknown-additional-driver-processor-microcode-firmware-for-intel-cpus-for-intel
[03:09] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, im not sure if it going to disconnect you from the internet, but its a possibility
[03:09] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: I hope it doesn't as  I am connected over ssh
[03:09] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, for this to work you first need to sudo apt-get install aptitude
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Neccy: reading .
[03:10] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, like i said, i dont know if it will kill the connection when removing network manager or not, but we'll find out for sure..
[03:11] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: looks like I lost the network after doing  sudo apt-get remove dnsmasq-base
[03:11] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, so does that mean that your no longer connected to the machine?
[03:12] <MannyLNJ_> glitchd: correct. I am no longer connected to it. Let me go to the basement and hook it up to a monitor
[03:12] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, sorry about that..
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Well, I too run AMD processors, and I have the microcode enabled ,, and have always allowed the microcode updates .
[03:13] <glitchd> MannyLNJ_, also im assuming your on 16.04?
[03:14] <Neccy> Bashing-om: i guess it will be fine to enable it then..
[03:14] <Neccy> :\
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Neccy: I think enable .
[03:15] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Should i go propritory with the NVIDIA or stick with X.Org
[03:16] <Bashing-om> Neccy: IF gamming and performance is a priority , then go with the proprietary graphic's drivers .
[03:17] <Neccy> Bashing-om: thats the plan.. and it dont want to swap. so i shall.
[03:18] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ill look around bios again
[03:18] <Neccy> Bashing-om: some usb still dont work. the 3.0 ones expecially
[03:19] <Bashing-om> Neccy: K; We know the router is good wireless . We know the wired interface on the system is good . Is the wired cable verified ?
[03:20] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ye
[03:23] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Another thing I do not know, when you booted the liveDVD, did you find " check disk for defects" and the check was good ?
[03:23] <Neccy> yee
[03:23] <Neccy> Bashing-om: ye
[03:26] <Bashing-om> Neccy: K; so we are safe in saying the install is good .
[03:27] <Neccy> Bashing-om: Yes.
[03:33] <Bashing-om> Neccy: Back to square one ( as I have cleared my board ) show ' sudo lshw -C network ' .
[03:38] <Absenth> is there a dedicated room for Unity8 & Mir?
[03:38] <juan_> hello need help i whant to install virtualbox but it ask for a trusty disk 14.4 that i dont have
[03:39] <juan_> how can i install
[03:39] <cfhowlett> juan_, what OS do you have now?
[03:39] <juan_> xubuntu 14.4
[03:39] <glitchd> juan_, sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[03:40] <netham45> Where's the setting to disable fading on the run dialog (alt+F2) in Gnome?
[03:41] <kivi> Hey I am going to reintall ubuntu. I'm a developer, and wondering if I should grab 1610?
[03:41] <cfhowlett> kivi, no
[03:41] <kivi> Is it unity8 exclusive?
[03:41] <Absenth> I'm wondering, if I install the Unity8 package.  I assume it installs mir as well.  Does it include an x compatability layer for non-MIR optimized packages?
[03:41] <cfhowlett> kivi, it's in development, it's not stable and should be considered experimental until it is finally released.  bleeding edges are bloody.
[03:41] <kivi> cfhowlett, why? Is it unstable?
[03:42] <kivi> cfhowlett, When you are a developer though, you need recent libraries.
[03:42] <cfhowlett> kivi, let it be on your head then ...
[03:42] <kivi> cfhowlett, for me, the actual question is whether the SDK is running fine on it. Last time I checked about a year back, this was not possible on Unity8
[03:44] <cfhowlett> kivi, sorry but I can't answer that.  the ubuntu-dev channel would know more
[03:44] <themusicgod1> trying to upgrade to 16.04 getting conflict between gir1.2-gtk-3.0 libtinfo5 libudev1 zlib1g.  what can i get away with removing to unclog this dependency cycle?
[03:44] <kivi> cfhowlett, thanks
[03:44] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[03:44] <themusicgod1> (15.10->16.04)
[03:44] <themusicgod1> ( http://pastebin.com/8zpJvt4L )
[03:44] <Jordan_U> themusicgod1: How did you initiate the upgrade?
[03:45] <themusicgod1> update-manager
[03:45] <themusicgod1> hrm
[03:48] <Jordan_U> themusicgod1: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt full-upgrade".
[03:50] <elhoir|afk> Jordan_U, whats the difference between "sudo apt full-upgrade" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:50] <juan_> hi it still ask for a  disk
[03:53] <juan_> how to upgrade  xubuntu 14.04
[03:53] <cfhowlett> juan_, sudo do-release-upgrade
[03:54] <juan_> ok is seaching
[03:56] <juan_> it said there another aplication running how do i stop it
[03:56] <cfhowlett> !aptlock | juan_
[03:59] <juan_> anyone speek spanish
[03:59] <cfhowlett> !es | juan_
[04:01] <krozzwu> greetings
[04:04] <juan__> hola kiero upgrade pero no me deja la maquina
[04:05] <juan__> desde el terminar
[04:09] <cfhowlett> !es | juan
[04:17] <Digi-Phoo> Hi
[04:24] <dkam> Hi guys.  Updated to 16.04 from 14.04 and php5-pfm seems to be missing.
[04:25] <Ben64> dkam: yep, time for php7
[04:26] <dkam> Ben64: Ta.  Wordpress work ok with it?
[04:26] <Ben64> no idea
[04:29] <Paradise> hi
[04:31] <Afrotoast> my users are actually beginning to help each other with installs
[04:31] <afro> considering eq is very smash/bash/merged patch friendly
[04:33] <badcatalex> I am installing Ubuntu 16.04, but first, I have a Radeon X1300 Graphics card. Where can I get the video drivers for it?
[04:34] <cfhowlett> !amd | badcatalex see if it's supported
[04:34] <Bashing-om> badcatalex: The driver is included in the kernel . you will have it upon install .
[04:35] <badcatalex> I sware I remembered it not being supported back in the Ubuntu 14.04/.1 and 15.04 days
[04:35] <badcatalex> Thanks.
[04:36] <Bashing-om> Bad_Dream: If it is an old old card . then will be the radeon driver . While ATI dropped support for the card ubuntu did not .
[04:39] <badcatalex> Also, I havre an old wireless adapter. Does it work?: Accton Technology Corp. SMCWUSB-G 802.11bg
[04:39] <cfhowlett> !wifi | badcatalex see for yourself
[04:39] <cfhowlett> badcatalex, better yet, make your ubuntu USB and boot up your machine.  test it from there
[05:12] <Guest23445> hello
[05:26] <Tyrex> ver irc.europanet.net
[05:35] <user> hello
[05:38] <SIARLYSEDD> user: niggers
[05:39] <Anuski> niggers
[05:59] <weacks> 这是什么
[06:00] <milestone234> !addons
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> im working on a pc upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 with "quiet splash" disabled from grub (textbooting) that doesnt boot to GUI anymore, ive tried nomodeset,restart lightdm,tested all previous kernels, whatever i try i always result into a tty login instead of the unity desktop, any clues?
[06:12] <theorem> hmm, anyone used boot-repair ?
[06:12] <theorem> trying to get grub installed on a cloned disk
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | theorem
[06:13] <theorem> no
[06:13] <theorem> will try that site though
[06:18] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: x and lightdm logs - any hints there?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ill check them later tnx
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: first i thought of a driver issue, but all graphics drivers were installed correctly
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cant even trigger recoverymode anymore, still comes to tty
[06:23] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: anything in dmesg that looks suspicious?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ill check that aswell, perhaps boot up a liveusb to rescue
[06:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: you can use 'systemctl --state=failed' to list failed services, that might be a good starting point. pastebin dmesg, x and lightdm logs if you need a hand looking at them.
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ok tnx, i have new tryings on the box
[06:48] <promet> I allowed ubuntu 16.04 to automount a luks encrypted usb drive. I now think this isn't such a hot idea. How can I "revoke" this auto-approval?
[06:48] <_joey> is there a channel for mint distrubtion on this network?
[06:48] <ochikun007> cok
[06:48] <ochikun007> kontol
[06:48] <Makulit> Yes, #linuxmint
[06:49] <Redjoke> what..?
[06:49] <ochikun007> nc linux :D
[06:49] <Makulit> Correction: ##linuxmint
[06:49] <Redjoke> yeah nc linux
[06:49] <hateball> !mint | _joey
[06:49] <ochikun007> hahaaa :D
[06:50] <Redjoke> chi
[06:50] <Era> Uhm Excuse me I need a bit of help. I just bought a new laptop, and I thought I'd install Ubuntu onto it. I dd'd the xubuntu iso onto the fat32 formatted USB drive and tried to boot it, but it only showed me a blinking cursor
[06:51] <Era> I dont know what Im doing wrong
[06:51] <alkisg> Era, did you dd to sdb or to e.g. sdb1?
[06:51] <Era> sdb1
[06:51] <alkisg> You need to dd to sdb
[06:51] <Era> Oh
[06:51] <Era> So remake the partition, then dd to sdb?
[06:52] <alkisg> No need to bother with partitions, dd deletes them anyway
[06:52] <Redjoke> what brand your laptop
[06:52] <Era> Aha, well I didnt make a partition last time, and it didnt work then either
[06:52] <Era> Lenovo Ideapad
[06:52] <alkisg> (the partitions are in the first sector of sdb)
[06:52] <alkisg> What was the message that you saw when dd'ing to sdb?
[06:52] <alkisg> ...and booting from it?
[06:53] <Era> ddd
[06:53] <Era> dd*
[06:53] <Era> ```301+1 records in
[06:53] <Era> 301+1 records out
[06:53] <Era> 1265106944 bytes (1.3 GB, 1.2 GiB) copied, 78.2297 s, 16.2 MB/s
[06:53] <Era> ```
[06:53] <alkisg> No no the boot message, like the blinking cursor
[06:53] <alkisg> Was it a blinking cursor when booting the properly dd'ed stick as well?
[06:54] <Redjoke> model ngon ngendi kui.?
[06:54] <Era> Ok, I only tried sdb1 so I wouldnt know if it were properly dd'd stick
[06:55] <Era> also, It was only a blinking cursor the whole time
[06:55] <Redjoke> How many months that your laptop
[06:55] <alkisg> Era, ok then just dd to sdb and boot from that
[06:55] <Era> Just bought it 2 days ago, just shipped today by amazon
[06:55] <Redjoke> online shop..?
[06:56] <alkisg> Redjoke: this channel is for ubuntu support. For offtopic chat, go to #ubuntu-offtopic or something.
[06:57] <Redjoke> owh. ok, im sorry
[06:57] <alkisg> np
[06:58] <Era> isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
[06:58] <alkisg> Era, that's after properly dd'ing to sdb?
[06:58] <Era> Yes
[06:59] <Era> I assume this is because I didnt format it fat32 firstly?
[06:59] <alkisg> That was fast... are you sure it was properly written? Try : sudo md5sum /dev/sdb
[06:59] <alkisg> No, there's no need to format to fat32
[06:59] <Era> Sure, Gimme a min
[06:59] <alkisg> The file system is iso9660
[06:59] <alkisg> compare the md5sum with the xubuntu.iso md5sum that appears in their download site
[07:01] <Era> Its taking a while
[07:02] <alkisg> Era, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/MD5SUMS
[07:02] <ochikun007> ren ndak ngerti out ae lah
[07:02] <alkisg> Compare the output to that
[07:02] <ochikun007> kui lho ubuntu sing anyar
[07:02] <Redjoke> yoh
[07:03] <ochikun007> download ten
[07:03] <alkisg> Era, hmm my advice there might be wrong as it might read all of sdb and not only the bytes that you wrote, you would need to only count the bytes that you wrote
[07:03] <alkisg> Is your .iso md5sum correct?
[07:03] <alkisg> md5sum xubuntu*.iso
[07:04] <Era> Its taking a while
[07:04] <alkisg> How large is your usb stick?
[07:04] <Era> 32gb
[07:04] <alkisg> Cancel it with ctrl+c
[07:04] <Era> Done
[07:04] <alkisg> Try with md5sum of your xubuntu.iso
[07:04] <alkisg> Is that correct?
[07:05] <Era> It is correct
[07:06] <alkisg> OK, how big is it, in bytes? ls -l xubuntu*.iso
[07:06] <Era> 1265106944
[07:07] <alkisg> OK now do: sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1 count=1265106944 | md5sum
[07:07] <alkisg> That should match the previous md5sum that you saw
[07:07] <alkisg> If it doesn't, then the usb stick was not written correctly, e.g. it was removed without "sync"ing properly
[07:11] <Era> Seems like my CPU is dying
[07:11] <Era> what with 120% usage
[07:11] <alkisg> Haha, what recent cpu is that that can't cope with md5sum of one iso?!
[07:11] <Era> Celeron man
[07:12] <Era> the new laptop has i3 but this thing is rocking celeron
[07:12] <KpuCko> hello, my openstack-installer stuck on "Releation pending" how to stop this process and re-run it again?
[07:12] <KpuCko> im using ubuntu 14.04.05 LTS
[07:13] <Era> Still not done
[07:14] <alkisg> on another terminal tab: sudo killall -USR1 dd
[07:14] <alkisg> This will tell dd to show how much it has written
[07:14] <alkisg> E.g. "copied 1 gb so far"
[07:14] <Era> my killall is aliased to pkill -9 just for keks
[07:14] <Era> Wait while I remove the alias...
[07:14] <alkisg> Eeew don't do that then :D
[07:15] <alkisg> ok
[07:16] <Era> 200 mb
[07:16] <Era> well
[07:16] <Era> This is gonna take a while
[07:16] <alkisg> ...that doesn't sound very efficient...
[07:16] <alkisg> Do you see any complains in `dmesg`?
[07:17] <Era> Its mainly complaining about my touchpad
[07:17] <Era> not the USB
[07:17] <Era> or dd
[07:17] <alkisg> OK. Well, maybe the "bs=1" approach was wrong, and it takes too long because we told it to read byte by byte...
[07:17] <Era> Right
[07:18] <Era> should half an MB be alright?
[07:18] <alkisg> maybe this would be faster.... sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1265106944 count=1 | md5sum
[07:18] <Era> ....
[07:18] <Era> Read it all at once
[07:18] <Era> Dude
[07:18] <Era> My PC cant handle it
[07:19] <alkisg> Haha, why, less than 1 gb ram? :D
[07:19] <Era> 2gb ram
[07:19] <Era> 1.3gb of it runs xubuntu
[07:19] <Era> 700mb free
[07:19] <alkisg> A typical USB stick read speed would be 5 to 20 MB/sec
[07:19] <alkisg> The USB3 ones, on USB2 ports, go up to 35 MB/sec
[07:20] <Era> Sigh
[07:20] <Era> Lemme have a go at it
[07:21] <Era> f8e7811e1d3712f243dfd33a86265afa
[07:21] <Era> I got this
[07:21] <alkisg> Wow, that was fast...
[07:21] <Era> PC didnt respond to any stimulus
[07:21] <alkisg> And I assume it's different from the xubuntu.iso md5sum?
[07:21] <Era> for the whole duration
[07:21] <Era> and yes
[07:21] <Era> it is different
[07:22] <alkisg> Then dd the .iso again
[07:22] <alkisg> sync after dd
[07:22] <alkisg> and md5sum again
[07:22] <Era> Uh
[07:22] <Era> How does one do tht
[07:22] <alkisg> Era, ah
[07:22] <alkisg> note that if you had e.g. sdb1 there,
[07:22] <alkisg> and it was automounted,
[07:22] <alkisg> and then you dd'ed to sdb,
[07:22] <Era> It wasnt
[07:22] <Era> I unmounted through gparted
[07:22] <alkisg> it wouldn't have write access to the "mbr"
[07:22] <alkisg> OK then
[07:22] <he1kki> just one big recommend for alternative ssh client mosh. Suprisingly time consuming when keyboard input has zero latency
[07:22] <alkisg> Try again dd'ing the .iso
[07:23] <he1kki> /consuming/time saving/
[07:23] <sammywest> hi all, new to ubuntu and hex chat :D
[07:23] <Era> Gg
[07:24] <Era> My USB drive is successfully dead
[07:24] <sammywest> well ubuntu not so much but hex chat yes :D
[07:24] <Era> Lemme remake the partition table
[07:24] <alkisg> Era, don't bother at all with the usb partition table
[07:24] <alkisg> era, dd erases it anyway
[07:24] <Era> Dd fucked it up
[07:24] <Era> it says it has 200gb of space
[07:24] <alkisg> Just make sure you don't have mounted partitions
[07:24] <sammywest> yeah i had a hell of a time installing on a uefi system ll
[07:24] <viktor_> This is actually pretty cool.
[07:25] <alkisg> Era, don't worry about it, it's read-only iso file system, hybrid
[07:25] <sammywest> what is victor?
[07:25] <Era> How do I sync dd
[07:25] <Era> I dont know how, teach me Senpai
[07:25] <viktor_> I am new this, and really amazed.
[07:25] <sammywest> damn didn't realise how many people used hex chat
[07:25] <viktor_> Is this chat encrypted?
[07:25] <alkisg> Era, sudo umount everything; sudo dd if=xubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M; sync; then md5sum\
[07:26] <sammywest> doubt it, its been around sense the 90s
[07:26] <sammywest> depends on your client you use
[07:26] <Era> Do I include the semi colons?
[07:27] <alkisg> viktor_: this chat is publicly logged in the web; it wouldn't make much sense to encrypt the communication this particular channel anyway...
[07:27] <alkisg> Era, you can either use semicolors or "enter" between the commands, it's equivalent
[07:27] <sammywest> private servers might be with a modded server
[07:28] <Era> I always used && for that, honestly
[07:28] <Bomber4Chats> trying to figure out how to read raw data readouts from a bluetooth device I have paired and connected
[07:28] <Bomber4Chats> I tried using hcitool, hcidump, bluetoothctl
[07:28] <Bomber4Chats> rfcomm isn't really working well for me
[07:28] <alkisg> Era, && is good too, because it only continues if the previous command succeeded
[07:28] <Era> I see
[07:28] <sammywest> i haven't seen an active chat for years! lol i feel like nostolgia
[07:28] <Bomber4Chats> but in anycase, I'm not sure which solution gives me the data I need
[07:28] <sammywest> lol
[07:29] <Bomber4Chats> hcidump does give some data, but I think it pertains to the communication between the bluetooth devices, not the data sent from the device to my pc
[07:30]  * osmc 
[07:30] <Era> Oh this time the md5sum is different
[07:30] <Era> Ill try to boot it now
[07:30] <Redjoke> is there any here that Indonesian nation ?
[07:31] <osmc> hello
[07:31] <alkisg> Era, is it the correct one?
[07:31] <Era> Yes
[07:31] <Era> It is
[07:31] <alkisg> Nice
[07:31] <Era> It booted!
[07:31] <Era> Thanks for the hel
[07:31] <Era> help*
[07:31] <Era> Ill stay logged in for the duration of the install tho, just incase
[07:32] <alkisg> You're welcome
[07:37] <Era> I only hope that the wifi driver works
[07:37] <Era> in the new laptop, out of the box
[07:39] <Bomber4Chats> anyone with bluetooth experience?
[08:04] <msdd> why does ubuntu ship C++ compiler by default?
[08:05] <nschoe> Hi all, I'm having a problem: I've just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade (one week without it), then rebooted the machine and now I cannot 'startx'. When I run 'startx' I've got a single error: xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[08:05] <nschoe> Any idea what's wrong?
[08:06] <nschoe> ho and in the ~/.local/xorg/Xorg.log.0 I have one error too: (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied
[08:07] <nschoe> WHy does this happen now? I have been able to startx for months now, and this suddenly happens. ANy idea?
[08:08] <menace> hi, is there a mechanism in ubuntu that i can specify that all usb-mounts should only be mounted readonly?
[08:09] <chandu20> hi
[08:09] <venkat_330> After enabling apparmor on my debian 8 i get : and my lightdm session does not open up : operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/lightdm" name="/run/lightdm.pid" .. http://pastebin.com/JQwpB6ev
[08:10] <ducasse> venkat_330: then try #debian
[08:11] <venkat_330> ducasse: Sorry, posted in wrong forum
[08:11] <nschoe> Nobody? All I can find on Google about these problems dates back a couple of years, after so,e update of xorg. But this is not it: it has just failed today after working fine for months. This is probqbly different
[08:11] <algern-n> nschoe dilletante guess: chown permissions not uptodate?
[08:11] <Era> successfully installed
[08:11] <Era> thanks
[08:11] <Era> alkisg:
[08:11] <hateball> nschoe: dont use startx, restart lightdm
[08:12] <nschoe> algern-n: thanks for answering. How can chown permissions not be up to date? I haven't changed them ?
[08:13] <nschoe> hateball: I don't have lightdm installed
[08:13] <chandu20> i am using this notebook --->http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201411-16163/ it was snape and fast in the in the beginning but my ubuntu is slowing down
[08:13] <nschoe> I log in manually on the console; then run startx as a user, and i3 starts.
[08:16] <nschoe> What should the permission be on /dev/fb0 ?
[08:17] <nschoe> okay so I have added my user to the video group and grepping the .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for (EE) returns nothing, so I don't have the permission denied on /dev/fb0
[08:18] <ducasse> nschoe: crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jul 12 15:10 /dev/fb0
[08:18] <Zta77> I cannot find "Drag & Drop Threshold" setting in Ubuntu 16.04: https://people.gnome.org/~shaunm/ubuntu/mouse-drag-threshold.html  Anyone else have this problem?  Anyone know how to do this in Ubuntu?
[08:18] <nschoe> But I still have that xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not per,itted)
[08:19] <nschoe> ducasse: thanks, I have the same, and now that my user is in the video group I don't have this message anymore
[08:21] <dante> hey
[08:21] <dante> anybody online?
[08:22] <K50215> hello, can anybody check if you have acces to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[08:23] <nschoe> K50215: seems to hang for me
[08:24] <K50215> dang it, i need stuff from there and i cant do nothing without it
[08:24] <nschoe> :/
[08:24] <nschoe> I can't start X from this morning and I can't do much either :/
[08:25] <K50215> yeah X is a pain in the neck sometimes
[08:26] <nschoe> K50215: yes but it has been working fine for months. Now this morning, back from 1-week vacation, dist-upgrade then reboot -> not working
[08:27] <nschoe> I have basically only one error message: xf86EnableIOPOrts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Opeation not permitted) but I can't find anything recent on Google :/
[08:27] <msdd> why does ubuntu ship C++ compiler by default?
[08:28] <K50215> i never liked the dist-upgrade thing, sometimes the update goes bad, one time it mess up my grub config and deleted my kernel files
[08:29] <nschoe> K50215: the man page seems to say it's preferred to upgrade. But ok.
[08:29] <K50215> msdd: li think it needs the c++ compiler to install things from the OS
[08:29] <nschoe> Any idea what the pb might be ?
[08:30] <keini> good morning
[08:31] <K50215> nschoe: i have my files in one partition and the SO in another then i reformat and install a new distro when i need and upgrade
[08:31] <nschoe> K50215: ho no, but 'dist-upgrade' doesn't upgrade the Ubuntu version!
[08:32] <nschoe> It's just a software upgrade, like 'apt-get upgrade'
[08:32] <ducasse> msdd: how did you install?
[08:32] <msdd> ducasse: from the livecd
[08:32] <K50215> nschoe: really? i think the dist was from disttibution
[08:33] <ducasse> msdd: any proprietary drivers?
[08:33] <ducasse> K50215: that's a debian thing, they upgrade to new release with dist-upgrade. ubuntu does not, dist-upgrade is recommended for normal upgrades.
[08:34] <nschoe> K50215: it's not, see man apt-get. It just better handles conflicts, it is supposed to provide apt with a smart conflict resolution
[08:34] <msdd> ducasse: virtualbox stuff only
[08:34] <ducasse> msdd: those modules need to be compiled.
[08:34] <K50215> ohhh i see
[08:34] <msdd> they are C modules, not C++
[08:35] <ducasse> msdd: it probably dragged in build-essential, which provides both afaik.
[08:35] <nschoe> Okay there is something weird: when I run startx as root, I *don't* see the IOPL PErmission error anymore, BUT startx still returns immediately and X does not startx. Qnd I hqve NO error in the log file
[08:35] <nschoe> WHat is wrong ?
[08:36] <nschoe> ho and the return code is 0, so "everything is all right", unless I don't have a freakking X server!
[08:38] <K50215> nschoe: always running startex in the tty7 thing right?
[08:38] <ducasse> msdd: yes, dkms depends on make | build-essential | dpkg-dev, so build-essential will be installed by default i assume. anyway, what is the problem?
[08:38] <JockeTF> Hellopaca!
[08:39] <JockeTF> Does anyone know of any working repository mirrors for Ubuntu Lucid Lynx?
[08:39] <nschoe> K50215: no, usually I log in tty as my user; then I run startx and it switches to TTY7
[08:39] <msdd> it has no business to be on the computer, that's all
[08:39] <JockeTF> The http://old-releases.ubuntu.com seems dead.
[08:40] <JockeTF> (This is not my machine, but I'm forced to work on it like this. I cannot upgrade it.)
[08:41] <ducasse> msdd: it does if it is a dependency.
[08:41] <msdd> JockeTF: same here
[08:41] <mcphail> msdd: micromanaging packages like that is going to be frustrating int he extreme
[08:42] <K50215> well thats weird, is the x server running? i think i had the same issue but it was drivers
[08:42] <JockeTF> msdd: Has it worked before today? I can wait until tomorrow with this.
[08:42] <msdd> i have 0 idea
[08:42] <ducasse> JockeTF: works fine here.
[08:42] <alkisg> JockeTF: try again now
[08:43] <alkisg> JockeTF: it didn't work 1 minute ago, it does now
[08:43] <JockeTF> Yeah, it works now. Excellent.
[08:43] <JockeTF> Thanks.
[08:43] <nschoe> Okay so apparently I've fixed it: looking at the .xsession-errors revealed that I had a syntax error in my /usr/share/dbus-1/session.conf
[08:43] <nschoe> ...
[08:43] <ducasse> msdd: if you have no idea, why not just trust the dependency system?
[08:44]  * JockeTF wishes he could fix this server, but is not allowed to. >_<
[08:44] <JockeTF> Oh well.
[08:44] <JockeTF> Someone will kill it off in time, I suppose...
[08:44] <nschoe> Thanks for your help
[08:44] <alkisg> JockeTF: you could tell someone to hack into it (unpatched security issues etc) and format it for you... :D
[08:45] <JockeTF> I wish. ;P
[08:45]  * ducasse volunteers :)
[08:45] <JockeTF> It is bound to happen at some point though. ;D
[08:45] <ducasse> j/k
[08:46] <Zta77> Anyone feel some of their clicks are mistaken for drag-and-drops?  Here's the fix: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse drag-threshold 20
[08:50] <backbox> ?
[08:51] <k1l_> !backbox | backbox
[08:57] <pimpMyNick> Need to add a custom screen resolution of 1366x768 in ubuntu 16.04 with intel integrated graphic card. The xorg.conf and xrandr method doesnot work. Can anyone help?
[08:57] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: did you try cvt 1366 768, then xrandr --newmode, xrandr --addmode etc? Where was the error?
[08:58] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  yes. When I apply resolution through terminal or graphical settings, it doesnot work. Only native resolution is appared back which is fullHD for my monitor.
[08:59] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: run those commands and put the whole output to pastebin
[08:59] <pimpMyNick> ok
[08:59] <alkisg> "it doesn't work" doesn't help in troubleshooting, while actual error messages do
[09:06] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  pastebin is under heavy load, website says. where do i post that now?
[09:06] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: paste.ubuntu.com
[09:07] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23060933/
[09:09] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: and after the last command, the output of xrandr shows that 1366 is not selected?
[09:09] <alkisg> *1368
[09:09] <pimpMyNick> no alkisg  ...no error message appears.
[09:09] <pimpMyNick> just normal
[09:09] <pimpMyNick> no return
[09:09] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: run xrandr again after the last command
[09:09] <alkisg> And paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <alkisg> I don't understand "normal"... I want to see if there's a * right next to 1368 in the output of xrandr, after all those commands, or not
[09:11] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  It says Current resolution is 1400x900, which was before applying this command.
[09:11] <alkisg> OK
[09:11] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: any messages in: dmesg | tail, or in: tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[09:11] <Ind> Help! my both control(ctrl) button stops working many times a day but my keyboard is working well on another computer(ubuntu 16.14 lts)
[09:11] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  i ll see... just a minute
[09:12] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: actually, better upload your whole Xorg.0.log to paste.ubuntu.com...
[09:12] <pimpMyNick> ok
[09:16] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  here is output of xorg.0.log     http://pastebin.com/1r090rck
[09:17] <notadeveloper> you cant have different video cards under ubuntu
[09:17] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  here is output of demsg http://paste.ubuntu.com/23060953/
[09:17] <notadeveloper> i tried the same
[09:17] <notadeveloper> nvidia and radeon and x got mad
[09:17] <notadeveloper> x11
[09:18]  * pimpMyNick is not sure whether notadeveloper  says to him or not
[09:18] <notadeveloper> thats for you pimpMyNick
[09:19] <pimpMyNick> thanks
[09:19]  * alkisg has used up to 3 cards
[09:19] <alkisg> with 16.04
[09:19] <pimpMyNick> but i only have intel default one. No dedicated GPU
[09:20] <notadeveloper> what does line 75 do?
[09:20] <pimpMyNick> wait, ill see
[09:20] <Ind>  Help! my both control(ctrl) button stops working many times a day but my keyboard is working well on another computer(ubuntu 16.14 lts)
[09:20] <notadeveloper> s
[09:21] <pimpMyNick> notadeveloper,  Seriously buddy. I dont have any dedicated GPU. I have no idea from where it is loading.
[09:21] <dalto> Ind: 16.04 and ** 16.14 I presume - is 16.14 out yet? :)
[09:22] <pimpMyNick> Ind,  maybe keyboard not configured properly. just a guess. Try reconfiguring
[09:22] <Ind> how
[09:22] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: what's the output of this? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
[09:22] <Ind> Sorry. this is 16.04 lts
[09:22] <pimpMyNick> Ind,  from keyboard settings which can be found from main settings
[09:22] <dalto> an answer for correct V No. - help is at hand
[09:23] <dalto> pimp is your man
[09:23] <pimpMyNick> alk             00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0102] (rev 09)
[09:23] <pimpMyNick> 	DeviceName: Intel(R) HD Graphics Device
[09:23] <pimpMyNick> 	Subsystem: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2017]
[09:23] <farhad> msg nickserv identify kjkszpjj
[09:24] <farhad> can any body know how install hexo
[09:24] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: err, can you try again with `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 4 VGA` ==> I want to see if it says "drivers in use" anywhere there, I think that the driver doesn't get loaded
[09:24] <notadeveloper> farhad, whats hexo
[09:24] <farhad> http://blog.kavoori.com/2014-10-13/installing-hexo-on-ubuntu.html
[09:25] <notadeveloper> pimpMyNick, try lspci -vvv | grep VGA
[09:25] <ducasse> dalto: there will never be a *.14, there are only 12 months in the year...
[09:25] <notadeveloper> if it only shows intel vid card
[09:25] <notadeveloper> then do
[09:26] <notadeveloper> sudo dpkg-reconfigure Xorg
[09:26] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  additional output is          Kernel driver in use: i915
[09:26] <pimpMyNick> 	Kernel modules: i915
[09:26] <pimpMyNick>     Rest output is same. If u need full, i will pastebin it
[09:26] <notadeveloper> or Xserver
[09:26] <notadeveloper> pls pastebin
[09:27] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: and are you sure your Xorg.0.log ends at line 113? nothing after "[   170.072] No devices to configure.  Configuration failed." ?
[09:27] <pimpMyNick> notadeveloper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23060972/
[09:27] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  i see, a minute plz
[09:27] <notadeveloper> npm is ruby right
[09:28] <ducasse> notadeveloper: npm is node, i believe.
[09:28] <notadeveloper> ok
[09:29] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  yes
[09:29] <pimpMyNick> it ends there
[09:29] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: it seems like the wrong file: [   170.039] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jul 31 11:08:58 2016
[09:29] <notadeveloper> pimpMyNick, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[09:29] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: try another one of the Xorg.?.log files
[09:29] <alkisg> E.g. Xorg.1.log or so
[09:32] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  xorg.1.log    Here is output     http://paste.ubuntu.com/23060988/
[09:32] <pimpMyNick> notadeveloper,  should i reconfigure xorg? alkisg  is working. So it may not be rude and it may not interupt his investigation
[09:32] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: that one is from [   174.993] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.1.log", Time: Sun Jul 31 11:09:03 2016 as well
[09:33] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: you've rebooted since then, haven't you?
[09:33] <notadeveloper> yes cause you have many module getting loaded
[09:33] <alkisg> If so, find another one of the Xorg.log files and check the correct date
[09:33] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  how to check date
[09:33] <alkisg> pimpMyNick:  $ grep Time /var/log/Xorg.*
[09:34] <alkisg> Or just check the file dates, see which one is newer
[09:34] <notadeveloper> how do i run hexo on my server
[09:34] <notadeveloper> it looks nice
[09:35] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  checked. No newer log found. I have booted system today, on tuestday 16 aug.
[09:36] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: what's the output of this?  ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*
[09:36] <baimaker> hello,world
[09:37] <k1l_> notadeveloper: farhad i would not trust that howto: curl someurl.com/install.sh | bash. that is a highway to desaster
[09:37] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6314 Jul 31 11:08 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:37] <pimpMyNick> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6314 Jul 31 11:08 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[09:37] <pimpMyNick> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6314 Jul 31 11:09 /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[09:38] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: can you put the output of this, to pastebin? ls -l /var/log
[09:38]  * pimpMyNick is really thankful to notadeveloper  and hopes he understands pimp has put him on hold to pay respect to alkisg 
[09:39] <k1l_> notadeveloper: better take a look at pelican
[09:39] <k1l_> pimpMyNick: please run "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:39] <pimpMyNick> alkisg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23061003/
[09:40] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: it seems that your /var/log/ is normally writeable, yet your Xorg.log doesn't get created... very strange
[09:40] <pimpMyNick> kil_    dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:41] <k1l_> pimpMyNick: it should output a url. please show that
[09:41] <liava_> Test
[09:41] <pimpMyNick> http://termbin.com/0ghm
[09:41] <pimpMyNick>    kil_
[09:41] <liava_> Hey fresh ubuntu install what's term Cms for flash again? Novice user
[09:42] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  thanks a lot for ur help. any suggestions?
[09:43] <liava_> Got it . Later . Be  nice
[09:43] <aryo> howdy?
[09:43] <aryo> i want to know linux mint general room?
[09:43] <k1l_> !mint | aryo
[09:43] <aryo> about channel
[09:43] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: is there something weird in your ubuntu setup? For example, how are you running xorg? Why do you have gdm3.log?
[09:44] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  I am using ubuntu gnome
[09:45] <pimpMyNick> gdm3.log no such file
[09:45] <alkisg> drwx--x--x 2 root              gdm     4096 Apr 21 10:11 gdm3
[09:46] <pimpMyNick> maybe
[09:46] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: I don't know why no recent xorg.log exists; you may try asking in #ubuntu-x, although they do take a lot time to answer usually, but their answers are very informative
[09:46] <alkisg> I wonder if somehow systemd journals are used there, instead of logs.. dunno
[09:47] <pimpMyNick> ok, i will try reconfiguring X as suggested by notadeveloper  and see what happens
[09:47] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: note,
[09:47] <alkisg> that notadeveloper suggested that based on a xorg.log that is not current
[09:47] <alkisg> And, it's normal for xorg to load multiple modules and unload them after they are not needed
[09:47] <alkisg> But ok the dpkg-reconfigure won't hurt, afaik...
[09:47] <pimpMyNick> ok
[09:48]  * alkisg would try #ubuntu-x
[09:48] <pimpMyNick> alkisg,  yeah i would try that channel too
[09:48] <alkisg> pimpMyNick: start with "why don't I see a xorg.log", not with your xrandr issue
[09:49] <Anticom> Hi all. Is there any raspberry pi toolchain available somewhere in the repositories / ppa?
[09:49] <Anticom> if possible i'd like to avoid buildling the toolchain myself
[09:51]  * pimpMyNick is thankful to alkisg      notadeveloper      and k1l_     for their effort
[09:51] <diverdude> Hello...i am trying to make NFS share on a directory where there are new devices mounted and unmounted in subdirectories. However when i browse these mounted subdirectories on the remote machine i cannot see the content. What is the best way to handle this? I think there is a parameter called crossmnt, but it seems to be not so robust. Is there a good way to handle such a problem?
[09:55] <lol521> :) hi all
[09:59] <aryo> nobody alive on #linuxmint
[09:59] <aryo> so i want to know. which better ubuntu or mint?
[10:00] <Makulit> I did advise you where to go to get specific Linux Mint help aryo.
[10:01] <Makulit> I have not used Ubuntu as a desktop O/S, but I do have Mint on my laptop and it seems to work well. Everything worked, even Wi-Fi on install.
[10:02] <aryo> yes i also have Mint on my laptop
[10:02] <k1l_> aryo: didnt you answer that question already to yourself? you are asking here in #ubuntu
[10:03] <aryo> but i have some problem when installing Metasploit-framework and Genymotion
[10:03] <aryo> kil_, i just compare
[10:03] <Anticom> aryo: first of all you'd have to define what "better" actually is for you
[10:04] <glitchd> hello all
[10:04] <Makulit> Do you have a commercial licence for Metasploit aryo?
[10:04] <aryo> i am linux new user, actually
[10:04] <glitchd> trying to change the color of the font of my clock in the indicator plugin..
[10:04] <aryo> no idon't have
[10:04] <k1l_> aryo: well, that is an issue with those 2 projects you named. that will be an issue on every other distro, too
[10:05] <aryo> ahh i see
[10:05] <glitchd> anyone have clue how to change the color of the clock in the indicator plugin? or maybe some configs i cant look at to find what color is set?
[10:06] <aryo> indicator plugin?
[10:06] <aryo> try to edit configuration file
[10:06] <glitchd> ...did you even read the entire question?
[10:07] <aryo> ahhh my bad, so sorry
[10:07] <glitchd> lol its all good
[10:07] <aryo> i am Linux new user actually
[10:09] <Makulit> Me too :)
[10:09] <aryo> yep and it's fun.... isn't it?
[10:09] <notadeveloper> hey Makulit
[10:09] <notadeveloper> are you from manila?
[10:13] <yanku>  Hi,when root partition is full, and i delete some files,but it is the same,is there some people met the same ?
[10:14] <Makulit> notadeveloper: No.
[10:14] <alkisg> (12:59:20 μμ) aryo: nobody alive on #linuxmint ==> go to irc.spotchat.org, not to freenode. They are different servers with different people. https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
[10:15] <alkisg> yanku: which file did you delete? are you sure it was in the root partition? Also, if some file is in use, and it's deleted, the space is freed later on when the file descriptor is closed...
[10:16] <yanku> alkisg: I delete the /hoe/sam/ ,and I have reboot,
[10:17] <alkisg> yanku: and are you sure that /home/sam is in the root partition and not in a separate home partition?
[10:17] <alkisg> yanku: run this: df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:17] <alkisg> What's the output?
[10:18] <yanku> alkisg;wait a moment
[10:18] <hateball> A wild guess is that this is an LVM install with /boot full of old kernels
[10:20] <yanku> alkisg: you are right,/home and / is not in the same partition
[10:21] <hateball> yanku: are you able to run "sudo apt-get autoremove" ? That should clean out old kernels taking up space
[10:22] <yanku> hateball: I have./var in sda3 / in sd2 and /home in sda6
[10:22] <hateball> yanku: could you provide us with the resulting link from the command alkisg asked you to run?
[10:24] <yanku> root@debian:/# df -h | nc
[10:24] <yanku> Cmd line: Filesystem: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host
[10:24] <hateball> ...
[10:25] <yanku> I can not understand wht "nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:25] <yanku> I can not understand what "nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:26] <joelio> yanku: netcat used to pipe the output of the previous command to termbin.com on port 9999
[10:26] <joelio> you then get an url to the thing you posted
[10:26] <joelio> which you can share here, for diagnostics
[10:27] <yanku> root@debian:/# df -h
[10:27] <yanku> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:27] <yanku> /dev/sda2       6.3G  6.3G   68K 100% /
[10:27] <yanku> udev             10M     0   10M   0% /dev
[10:27] <yanku> tmpfs           3.2G  9.2M  3.2G   1% /run
[10:27] <yanku> tmpfs           7.8G   80K  7.8G   1% /dev/shm
[10:28] <joelio> yanku: pasting lots of lines in IRC generally considered bad form, use a pastebin/termbin ;)
[10:29] <yanku> sorry for that
[10:30] <yanku> Is it possible to resize the root partition if I delete the /home partition?
[10:31] <hateball> you dont need to delete anything as long as there is free space, just liveboot gparted and resize
[10:32] <yanku> I can not install gparted
[10:33] <k1l_> yanku: is this debian or ubuntu?
[10:34] <yanku> debian, actually,But I think the same
[10:34] <k1l_> yanku: then please ask in #debian
[10:36] <yanku> ok thank you all the same
[10:48] <wangyao> clear
[10:50] <certaci2> joelio: Thanks for the clue to netcat and termbin - after a quick bit of research and installation into my virginal new ubuntu config I am now successfully using nc and termbin....
[10:52] <reednj_> quit
[10:53] <joelio> certaci2: no problem :)
[10:59] <barq> Is there any workaround for this? I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1612965 this bug.
[11:04] <idoko> so if I'm trying to make a huge update via ssh, which device will consume more bandwidth, remote or local?
[11:06] <k1l_> idoko: the remote one. the ssh is just displaying what is happening but not downloading everything to your local system
[11:10] <ThetaOrionis> !distros
[11:10] <ThetaOrionis> !flavours
[11:11] <idoko> k1l_: I see, thanks for clearing that up :)
[11:13] <OerHeks> With a command, i can open & close my dvd-tray, but i can not poweroff my printer.
[11:13] <OerHeks> I don't know where to look for anymore ..
[11:14] <popey> bet you can turn off your printer if it has a web UI
[11:14] <popey> using curl
[11:14] <SunOS> hello ,  i have a problem with the  network interfaces in 16.04
[11:14] <OerHeks> popey, no webui, it's a samsung usb laserprinter, but find nothing related in cups
[11:15] <OerHeks> popey, and i find no simular questions too.. so i am smart or this feature is not widely needed?
[11:16] <popey> OerHeks: I suspect most people just reach over and press the power button
[11:16] <popey> OerHeks: but there may be some command you can throw at the printer over USb to do it, never looked into it
[11:16] <SunOS> networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[11:16] <OerHeks> It would be a nice campagne: IoT-EoT
[11:17] <SunOS> Failed to bring up eth0.
[11:17] <SunOS> what can i do really ? to start this network interfaces
[11:17] <OerHeks> SunOS, on what ubuntu version ? ifconfig -a # should tell the interface names33
[11:18] <SunOS> the name of interfaces is a eth0
[11:19] <ExIT> re
[11:19] <k1l_> SunOS: "lsb_release -d" brings you what output?
[11:20] <SunOS> lsb_release -d
[11:20] <SunOS> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[11:21] <k1l_> SunOS: what did you do or change?
[11:21] <SunOS> i try with this  dmesg | grep eth0
[11:21] <SunOS> notihng
[11:21] <SunOS> just after reboot my interface did`n work
[11:22] <k1l_> what desktop is it?
[11:22] <joelio> 16.04 uses consistent device naming
[11:22] <SunOS> it`s VPS
[11:22] <joelio> unless you've set your grub line to net.ifnames=0 and biosdevname=0...
[11:22] <joelio> or it's a dist-upgrade (at a pinch)
[11:22] <k1l_> its a vserver
[11:23] <SunOS> it`s dist-upgrade ;)
[11:23] <SunOS> an then broken
[11:23] <joelio> do you see it in #ifconfig -a
[11:23] <k1l_> so you upgraded it and then it doesnt work?
[11:23] <k1l_> are you sure your hoster supports upgrades at all? some vserver systems dont support that.
[11:24] <SunOS> joelio , still show me a latest configuration before update
[11:24] <SunOS> k1l_ , i have another ubuntu and on him work fine
[11:25] <SunOS> i change the names of interfaces from eth0 to ens
[11:25] <SunOS> i do thah with  dmesg | grep eth0
[11:25] <SunOS> and show me [    4.194185] e1000 0000:00:12.0 ens18: renamed from eth0
[11:26] <mbwe> MM
[11:26] <k1l_> SunOS: "dmesg | grep eth0" doesnt change anything, it only shows something
[11:26] <SunOS> yeah i know that
[11:26] <joelio> SunOS: as I said, consistent device naming
[11:26] <k1l_> "ifconfig -a | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here please
[11:27] <wish^> So apparently my ubuntu 14.04 LTS was on an old kernel 3.6.17 generic. Is it possible that this could have had something to do with compiz sometimes freezing?
[11:27] <SunOS> http://termbin.com/mm3h
[11:27] <wish^> I am on 4.4.0-34-generic now
[11:28] <hateball> wish^: are you using an Intel GPU?
[11:28] <wish^> I am
[11:28] <k1l_> wish^: yes. 3.6er kernel will do make a lot of issues. 14.04 was shipped with 3.13 kernel
[11:28] <wish^> 4770K
[11:29] <wish^> k1l_, Ok, but using the newer 4.4 is best right now right? OR should i be on the old one?
[11:30] <hateball> wish^: newer kernel means newer intel drivers and hopefully a more stable experience
[11:30] <k1l_> !hwe | wish^
[11:30] <acresearch> hello people, i am starting to learn how to use vi, i thought it would highlight codes when you use it, but mine does not, is there a way to highlight the codes (for example bash) etc...?
[11:31] <k1l_> SunOS: hmm. i would ask the hoster, to be honest
[11:31] <SunOS> ;)
[11:31] <aryo> i have tried cracking WPA2/PSK with Aircrack
[11:31] <aryo> it's really worked like a charm
[11:32] <wish^> Yes that is where i got this current kernel from, k1l_
[11:32] <aryo> but it's difficult to guessing, huh?
[11:32] <aryo> hahaha
[11:32] <k1l_> aryo: we dont support that in here
[11:32] <cfhowlett> aryo, off-topic
[11:32] <aryo> ahh my bad, so sorry
[11:32] <wish^> hateball, Great, then i look forward to having a system that does not freeze. I was getting some random freezes that would freeze the screen but the mouse would still be able to move, nothing was clickable though
[11:34] <fstx> Hi! I get "ads_find_dc: name resolution for realm ... failed: NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS" in log.winbindd-dc-connect. kinit works.
[11:37] <vahe> hi all ,I have a strange situation,I don't know what to do)) I bought a minipc if you connect to an hdmi TV then the Internet is working (LAN) but if without a monitor or tv without it the Internet doesn't work))  mini pc pcg02u
[11:40] <acresearch> hello people, i am starting to learn how to use vi, i thought it would highlight codes when you use it, but mine does not, is there a way to highlight the codes (for example bash) etc...?
[11:41] <hateball> vahe: by LAN, do you mean ethernet or wifi?
[11:41] <vahe> hateball:  ethernet
[11:42] <freakyy> hi all i have a question. im on ubuntu gnome 16.04.1 i have it installed once on my laptop and once on my big pc. now my problem is when it starts, on my laptop it shows everything in a good resolution but on my big pc the resolution is kinda small and everythign is so big on the screen like grub, the boot screen, the ALT+F1 consoles etc.
[11:42] <freakyy> how can i fix htis?
[11:43] <freakyy> shouldnt this be setup automatically?
[11:45] <NeoFrontier> Hi, how big is the upgrade from 14.04 to the next one 16 ?
[11:46] <SunOS> it`s so strange for me
[11:46] <SunOS> the network interface works
[11:46] <SunOS> but still show me a error
[11:46] <hateball> NeoFrontier: depends on the amount of installed packages. The upgrader will tell you before it starts as well
[11:46] <SunOS> [....] Restarting networking (via systemctl): networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[11:46] <SunOS>  failed!
[11:47] <NeoFrontier> oh will it, great @ hateball s
[11:47] <NeoFrontier> :)
[11:49] <FManTropyx> should I just do aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:53] <FinalX> hey, hey - something keeps changing my /etc/timezone after I manually edit it (through Puppet), but dpkg-reconfigure tzdata "fixes" it.. what is changing it back automatically, and how can I prevent that (by setting it in a more appropriate file?)
[11:53] <mbwe> i would just use timedatectl set-timezone FinalX
[11:54] <joelio> manually edit via puppet? if using the standard puppetlabs module, then that shouldn't be needed
[11:54] <joelio> it's a fire and forget
[11:55] <mmahmoud> is mint better than ubuntu?
[11:55] <bazhang> mmahmoud, ask in the chat channel
[11:56] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic mmahmoud
[11:58] <FinalX> joelio: which would that be, then? the module we use edits /etc/timezone, and something changes it back, and it's only on our Ubuntu 16.04 servers/containers :)
[11:58] <wish^> Is there anyone that can recommend an alternative to Unity?
[11:59] <bazhang> gnome-shell wish^
[11:59] <mbwe> ehm you are running ubuntu otherwise switch to the other flavours wish^
[11:59] <bazhang> it's the other gnome3 shell wish^
[11:59] <mbwe> like xubuntu xfce
[12:00] <mbwe> or install the budgie desktop wish^
[12:00] <mbwe> wish^: budgie desktop info https://solus-project.com/budgie/
[12:01] <mbwe> Or if you want something more simple install i3 :)
[12:02] <wish^> Can i use KDE Plasma on Ubuntu?
[12:02] <hateball> wish^: yes
[12:02] <mbwe> yes ofcourse you can, you can install any desktop flavour you want
[12:02] <hateball> wish^: sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
[12:02] <bazhang> !find plasme
[12:03] <bazhang> oops
[12:03] <BluesKaj> wish^, yes it's called kubuntu
[12:03] <OerHeks> !flavors
[12:03] <bazhang> !find plasma
[12:03] <OerHeks> tons of choise
[12:03] <mbwe> There is also the most updated version of the kde desktop, and kde people tell me that it gets the best kde experience, take a look at https://neon.kde.org/
[12:04] <mbwe> it uses ubuntu 16.04lts as a base wish^
[12:04] <wish^> Yes that is the tone i saw mbwe, i really liked the look of it. But i am not sure i can use it on 14.04
[12:04] <mbwe> 14.04 well it would be a nice time to upgrade or reinstall your system :)
[12:05] <wish^> I looked into upgrading but i heard that it is not good for stable system
[12:05] <wish^> So I will do a fresh install
[12:05] <mbwe> yeah its always good to do a fresh install, although i use ubuntu on my servers and arch for my desktop combined with some other devices which run freebsd
[12:06] <OerHeks> you heard wrong :-D
[12:06] <wish^> OerHeks, I read that upgrading can cause certain issues
[12:06] <mbwe> well i did a server upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 with minor problems
[12:06] <OerHeks> oh boy, here we go again ..
[12:06] <mbwe> Nothing one could not fix,
[12:06] <OerHeks> !fud
[12:07] <wish^> OerHeks, please dont be rude
[12:07] <mbwe> OerHeks: who is spreading FUD
[12:07] <Fedoration> Is this channel also for ElementaryOS?
[12:07] <OerHeks> you can call me rude, but don't spread uncertain facts please
[12:07] <OerHeks> Fedoration, nope
[12:08] <OerHeks> !elementary
[12:08] <Fedoration> Aww.
[12:08] <wish^> I simply said I read something, I am not spreading anything. Instead of whining about what I stated I read, please tell me why I am wrong
[12:08] <wish^> Nothing worse then a condescending attitude
[12:08] <bazhang> wish^, please not here
[12:08] <Fedoration> OerHeks: fantastic - thanks!
[12:08] <bazhang> wish^, get back to support here, chit chat NOT here
[12:08] <wish^> Ok sorry bazhang
[12:08] <FManTropyx> I just want to try the automatic upgrade first and if it won't work, I will install anew from a 16.04 image
[12:09] <OerHeks> there is just 1 thing missing in the upgrade story: always prepare a dvd/usb with the iso.
[12:09] <baffometi> Does anyone know how many developers Ubuntu has?
[12:09] <FManTropyx> not useful for a remote host
[12:10] <bazhang> try a chat channel baffometi like #ubuntu-discuss
[12:14] <reednj> .
[12:14] <wish^> Is there some way to make all my updates go through synaptic package manager and disables ubuntu software center?
[12:14] <ikonia> just use what you want
[12:14] <ikonia> don't like software center, don't use it
[12:14] <ikonia> synaptic will still pick up updates
[12:15] <wish^> Ubuntu software center still pops up though
[12:15] <ikonia> ahhh the notifications pop up you mean ?
[12:17] <Ussat> I am having a odd issue here when installing 2 packages on 16.04. The packages are samtools and bcftools. I am building the server for a researcher here at work. The two packages are disctinctly different, have different uses, commands etc, but sem to conflict and overwrite each other. I install them via standard apt-get commands, please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/23061365/. Any advice here how to get both packages installed at the same
[12:29] <OerHeks> Ussat, interesting, libhts1 gives in the changelog:
[12:29] <OerHeks> htslib (1.2.1-2ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=high  * Skip test-suites on armhf, powerpc and s390x due to broken endiannes   and alignment issues. See https://github.com/samtools/htslib/issues/98   for details. Hopefully upstream will agree on a concept and merge it soon.
[12:34] <Ussat> yea, in am in the server channel and seem to have found the issue.
[12:35] <OerHeks> Ussat, excellent!
[12:36] <Ussat> Fortunately, these two servers I am building for the researchr are one off's. ONly two systems, a test and prod
[12:37] <OerHeks> To ensure production, that snapcraft solution takes time, but i think it is a good solution, for now.
[12:43] <Ussat> oh sure...looking into that not
[12:43] <Ussat> looks like the best non-sucky solution atm
[12:44] <engy> hello
[12:44] <Ussat> anf TBH does not suprise me ran into this, these are niche toolsets
[12:44] <Ussat> We generally use RHEL as our *nix of choice but have recently introduced ubuntu into our standards for our researchers
[12:52] <redRose> hi
[12:59] <redRose> hoe can i install veracrypt in ubuntu 16.04?
[13:00] <redRose> how can i install veracrypt in ubuntu 16.04?
[13:02] <Ben64> redRose: it's not in the repositories so you're kind of on your own with it. check for a PPA maybe, or their website or something
[13:04] <redRose>  how can i install veracrypt in ubuntu 16.04?
[13:05] <Ben64> redRose: look above
[13:05] <DJones> redRose: There is a ppa for that https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Contributed%20Resources  Add the ppa,  update sources, and sudo apt install ....
[13:05] <DJones> !ppa | redRose
[13:05] <redRose>  how can i install veracrypt in ubuntu 6.04?
[13:05] <Ben64> :|
[13:06] <redRose> thanks
[13:08] <redRose> is there any officially supported app to decrypt true-crypt volume?
[13:11] <Ussat> OerHeks, I found a PPA for samtools here, https://launchpad.net/~nebc/+archive/ubuntu/bio-linux/+packages?field.name_filter=samtools&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= thoughts ?
[13:24]  * engy waves hello
[13:25] <engy> whois akaWolf
[13:34] <paracusia> hello, I have problems seeing new created partition device nodes in /dev - /proc/partitions shows them all and "partprobe" also changed nothing, what can I do instead of rebooting? I guess it has something to do with udev?
[13:36] <ikonia> paracusia: it won't happen if the disk is in use
[13:37] <ikonia> not even a udev trigger event will work
[13:37] <paracusia> its not in use ikonia, just created a partition with fdisk
[13:37] <paracusia> kernel sees it(dmesg)
[13:38] <Mani_> hello
[13:38] <paracusia> hi mani
[13:38] <ikonia> paracusia: the disk is not in use at all
[13:38] <ikonia> no other partitions on it
[13:38] <Mani_> i want to install whats app on my ubuntu phone
[13:38] <paracusia> correct ikonia
[13:38] <paracusia> there is only one partition on this disk, never used the disk before
[13:38] <ikonia> paracusia: so if you do "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" for example does it show the partitions
[13:39] <paracusia> yes
[13:39] <paracusia> partprobe also shows it
[13:39] <Mani_> does it possible or not?
[13:39] <ikonia> paracusia: so what's actually missing
[13:39] <ikonia> paracusia: what are you expecting to happen thats nt
[13:39] <ikonia> not
[13:39] <paracusia> ikonia, the /dev/sda1 node is missing
[13:39] <ikonia> paracusia: can you pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" please
[13:39] <paracusia> only /dev/sda exists in /dev
[13:39] <Mani_> hello paracusia
[13:39] <Mani_> i want to install whats app on my ubuntu phone
[13:40] <Mani_> is it posible
[13:40] <paracusia> ikonia, sure: https://nopaste.me/view/386950e4
[13:40] <paracusia> Mani_, dunno, look at whatsapp.com maybe
[13:41] <ikonia> paracusia: so if you do "ls -la /dev/sda1" what do you get
[13:41] <paracusia> no such file or directory
[13:41] <k1l_> Mani_: no, whatsapp doesnt allow a client on ubuntu touch phones.
[13:42] <ikonia> paracusia: thats quite odd,
[13:42] <Mani_> thank you k1l
[13:42] <ikonia> paracusia: you may want to look at a udev trigger event
[13:42] <ikonia> but that really shouldn't be needed
[13:42] <ikonia> paracusia: how many disks does this system have
[13:42] <paracusia> only 3 disks ikonia
[13:42] <paracusia> in rules.d folder is only one file for network devices
[13:42] <ikonia> paracusia: can you pastebin the output of "mount" please
[13:42] <OerHeks> Mani_, there is a webwhatsapp https://uappexplorer.com/apps?q=whatsap&sort=relevance
[13:44] <paracusia> ikonia, https://nopaste.me/view/74f586fe
[13:46] <paracusia> ikonia, devtmpfs is correctly mounted as far as I can tell
[13:46] <ikonia> paracusia: aufs ?? what is this system running
[13:47] <paracusia> its a rescue system ikonia
[13:47] <ikonia> paracusia: from what ?
[13:47] <paracusia> aufs mounted on debian
[13:48] <paracusia> thats only for writes in ram, because the source nfs is r/o
[13:48] <paracusia> has nothing to do with /dev
[13:48] <jiohdi> pls help: I have an UNLOCK KEYRING popup which is causing problems, I don't have a password that works for it... how do I fix it?
[13:49] <k1l_> jiohdi: its your users password. the one you set on install
[13:49] <jiohdi> k1l_, does not work
[13:49] <paracusia> ikonia, will try to run udev in debug mode now
[13:49] <k1l_> jiohdi: make sure that capslock is not active or such things
[13:49] <ikonia> paracusia: is the debian solution a livecd or is it running from a disk ?
[13:50] <paracusia> its running via network, nfs
[13:51] <jiohdi> k1l_, tried every password I have ever used nothing works
[13:52] <k1l_> did you change the password?
[13:52] <OerHeks> jiohdi, check your keyring ( passwords & keys)
[13:52] <jiohdi> k1l_, I did change my personal password
[13:52] <jiohdi> OerHeks, I am using mate and that option does not seem to exist
[13:53] <k1l_> and do you use autologin?
[13:53] <jiohdi> k1l_, nope, I put in my password at every login
[13:53] <Fione> hello.
[13:57] <Tameiki> Hello
[13:58] <Fione> I want to request with a trojan situation which may or may not involve ubuntu. So, apparently I had to install packet sniffer on my pc and make all of my device network go through it. ubuntu software repository doesn't give me anything and apt-cache search wireshark gives me several options: wireshark, wireshark-common, wireshark-dev, wireshark-gtk, wireshark-qt. any recommendation on what I should choose (if I even should choose wireshark over other packet
[13:59] <Tameiki> On my laptop, the cdrom isn't working. I have a /dev/sg0, but it didn't mount auto or with 'mount /dev/sg0 /mnt'. Anyone have some idea please ?
[13:59] <Tameiki> (sr0 * )
[14:02] <OerHeks> Fione, this is what i get, installing wireshark > http://paste.ubuntu.com/23061670/ no need for -dev unless you need wireshard dev packages to build something
[14:02] <OerHeks> c/wireshark
[14:11] <Fione> another question. Right now I'm using my parent's phone wifi, where the IP is reported as spam/botnet infected with trojan tinba. need help on eliminating list of suspected devices? does this trojan infect android devices?
[14:11] <OerHeks> Fione, that would be a Q for #android
[14:12] <Fione> need root? I cannot do it on my parent's phone.
[14:12] <Fione> oh. Q you mean is question?
[14:12] <Fione> sorry.
[14:12] <avioniiic> W:The repository 'http://deb.playonlinux.com xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:Failed to fetch http://deb.playonlinux.com/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[14:13] <OerHeks> avioniiic, check the playonlinux site how to add the key
[14:13] <avioniiic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayOnLinux
[14:13] <avioniiic> I'm reading instructions from ubuntu website....
[14:13] <OerHeks> wget -q "http://deb.playonlinux.com/public.gpg" -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[14:14] <OerHeks> avioniiic, i see, there is no mention of adding the key on our wiki
[14:15] <OerHeks> https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html and click ubuntu
[14:15] <avioniiic> OerHeks: Thanks!
[14:15] <OerHeks> avioniiic, see that red line:  install the package wine:i386
[14:16] <avioniiic> Yes, what's the difference between Trusty, Saucey, and Precise?
[14:17] <OerHeks> avioniiic, those are ubuntu verions, i notice they haven't updated to xenial, so use the trusty version, and change trusty>xenial
[14:17] <kobalter> EriC^^: could you remind me of the permissions required to fix the ssh password less thingy
[14:17] <kobalter> ?
[14:18] <OerHeks> sudo wget http://deb.playonlinux.com/playonlinux_xenial.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/playonlinux.list
[14:18] <kobalter> i tried 750 on .ssh and authorized keys
[14:18] <EriC^^> kobalter: check the home dir that it's 750 too
[14:19] <kobalter> i just thought of that
[14:19] <kobalter> i need to write this in a stone or something
[14:19] <ducasse> kobalter: iirc, ~/.ssh should be 700
[14:19] <OerHeks> kobalter, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys # chmod 700 ~/.ssh  # chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[14:19] <fpqc> heya
[14:19] <kobalter> yesterday with fewer permissions was not working ducasse OerHeks
[14:19] <fpqc> installed xenial server to run an mpd last night at work
[14:19] <kobalter> 750 should do it
[14:20] <fpqc> I got it working with alsa outputting through hd audio in stereo
[14:20] <fpqc> but before that, I tried using hdmi
[14:21] <fpqc> now the weird thing was, I didn't have pulse installed, no gui, just alsa and the mpd and some supporting python packages
[14:21] <ducasse> kobalter: what didn't work? unless i'm mistaken, sshd will complain if permissions are too lax.
[14:21] <fpqc> rewrite the asound.conf to change thedefault audio device for pcm to the hdmi
[14:21] <fpqc> works great for about 8 minutes of continuous play
[14:21] <avioniiic> $ sudo wget http://deb.playonlinux.com/playonlinux_xenial.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/playonlinux.list
[14:21] <avioniiic> --2016-08-16 09:21:16--  http://deb.playonlinux.com/playonlinux_xenial.list
[14:21] <avioniiic> Resolving deb.playonlinux.com (deb.playonlinux.com)... 51.254.83.230, 2001:41d0:2:37ca::1e
[14:21] <avioniiic> Connecting to deb.playonlinux.com (deb.playonlinux.com)|51.254.83.230|:80... connected.
[14:21] <avioniiic> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[14:21] <avioniiic> 2016-08-16 09:21:16 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[14:22] <fpqc> then, suddenly, music stops, cannot test the device again, says it's locked by a program
[14:22] <fpqc> even when I killall the mpd and cancel it in systemd
[14:22] <ducasse> !paste | avioniiic
[14:22] <fpqc> disable and stop
[14:22] <fpqc> does that sound like a driver bug?
[14:23] <avioniiic> sorry didn't think it would be 6 lines
[14:23] <Tameiki> Hello, I have an issue with my cdrom. He spin, but it didn't mount auto or with mount command.
[14:23] <kobalter> ducasse: i am getting the password prompt instead of key access
[14:24] <fpqc> my asound.conf was simple, I unmuted the device
[14:24] <fpqc> and it worked but then somehow died and exploded
[14:24] <kobalter> somehow just changed it and didnt work :/
[14:24] <fpqc> also when I did lsof on /dev/snd, none of the devices had active handles
[14:25] <BluesKaj> fpqc,  configure alsmixer then sudo alsctl store rather than recofigging asound
[14:25] <fpqc> BluesKaj, ?
[14:25] <jiohdi> is there a way to remove the keyring from ubuntu
[14:25] <BluesKaj> err alsamixer and alsactl store, fp
[14:25] <fpqc> what do you mean configure alsamixer
[14:26] <fpqc> I unmuted the device
[14:26] <fpqc> but I still need asound to change the default
[14:26] <BluesKaj> set it up for your audio inpts and outputs
[14:26] <fpqc> in alsamixer?
[14:26] <fpqc> alsamixer is like a curses gui
[14:26] <fpqc> do you mean amixer?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> no alsamixer
[14:27] <fpqc> what do you mean configure alsamixer then
[14:27] <fpqc> I pressed f1 and there is no place to set a default device in it
[14:27] <fpqc> I have it open right now
[14:27] <fpqc> you can select a device and unmute it
[14:27] <fpqc> that's it
[14:28] <fpqc> you can't even change the volume in alsamixer on hdmi
[14:29] <fpqc> bc it's s/pdif and doesn't have a preamp value
[14:29] <BluesKaj> fpqc, ok set up alsamixer then , forget the configure part if semantics sidetracks you
[14:29] <fpqc> BluesKaj, what do you mean set up alsamixer
[14:29] <fpqc> I installed alsamixer
[14:29] <fpqc> I used it
[14:29] <fpqc> I unmuted the device
[14:29] <fpqc> now what
[14:29] <BluesKaj> type alsamixer in the terminal
[14:29] <fpqc> yes
[14:29] <fpqc> done
[14:29] <fpqc> I'm in
[14:29] <fpqc> I have two available devices
[14:30] <fpqc> hw 0,0 "hd audio" and hw 1,3 "hdmi"
[14:30] <fpqc> in alsamixer how do you propose I set hw 1,3 to be my default output device?
[14:31] <fpqc> I don't see any place to do it mate
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hdmi audio is channeled from your default soundcard thru the gpu to the hdmi audio digital output
[14:32] <BluesKaj> fpqc,^
[14:32] <fpqc> BluesKaj, and?
[14:33] <fpqc> it's not muted I'm looking at it
[14:33] <fpqc> hdmi_vol is 100%
[14:33] <fpqc> is it bc of auto-mute?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> yes if automute is enabled
[14:33] <fpqc> so what does automute do
[14:33] <fpqc> mute all other devices?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> it mutes everything
[14:34] <fpqc> except what
[14:34] <BluesKaj> use the down arrow key to disable automute
[14:35] <fpqc> yes
[14:35] <fpqc> what is it muting
[14:35] <fpqc> it doesn't look like it's muting hdmi bc it's not muted
[14:39] <CJ17MR> Helllo
[14:39] <soreau> using 16.04, I'm trying to get network-manager-pptp upgraded from xenial-updates, from version 1.1.83 to 1.2.0 and have all xenial-updates related repos enabled in sources.list (except deb-src) but after apt update/upgrade/dist-upgrade, it doesn't upgrade this package
[14:41] <kobalter> EriC^^: OerHeks after changing persmission should i restart something or is it supposed to work
[14:41] <kobalter> the ssh passwordless with keys
[14:41] <EriC^^> it should work
[14:42] <EriC^^> without restarting
[14:42] <kobalter> i set it up same as the other user
[14:42] <soreau> EriC^^: might need to restart sshd
[14:42] <kobalter> on client or server
[14:43] <kobalter> i guess server
[14:43] <soreau> d is for daemon, which is usually the server, yes
[14:45] <ducasse> soreau: the latest version in the repos is 1.1.93-1ubuntu1
[14:45] <soreau> ducasse: I want this one http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/network-manager
[14:45] <m_tadeu> hi...where's the best place to ask about lost partitions?
[14:46] <fpqc> m_tadeu, church mainly
[14:46] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Why not tell us a bit about your problem? What happened?
[14:46] <soreau> m_tadeu: maybe #grub
[14:46] <soreau> and here
[14:46] <yancho> hi. i'm doing an upgrade and got this error after the restart: A start job is running for raise network interfaces (2 minutes of 5 mins 1 sec) - any idea what I can do please?
[14:46] <kobalter> nada :/
[14:46] <fpqc> you do not need a technician you need a priest =O
[14:46] <fpqc> =(
[14:46] <ducasse> soreau: that is network-manager, not network-manager-pptp
[14:46] <soreau> ducasse: oh ok, let me see
[14:47] <m_tadeu> I was reorganizing my partitions and moved one to a "better" place...now I can't mount it...it complains about a bad super block
[14:48] <k1l_> soreau: "apt-cache policy network-manager-pptp" can you pastebin the output?
[14:48] <fpqc> m_tadeu, did you try seeing if fdisk can auto-fix
[14:48] <m_tadeu> here's the log of the operations http://pastebin.com/KnmKgdpB
[14:48] <fpqc> obviously dd a backup of the drive
[14:48] <fpqc> before you work on a live version
[14:48] <soreau> k1l_: *** 1.1.93-1ubuntu1 500        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[14:50] <soreau> ducasse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/+bug/1568336
[14:50] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Did you try running one of those fsck commands that is said to run?
[14:50] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: yup...no lock...tried all superblock backups
[14:51] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Is this an MBR or GPT disk?
[14:51] <ducasse> soreau: that package should contain the fix
[14:52] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: what is GPT?
[14:52] <soreau> ducasse: I have this version and it's still broken for me, but I also read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820295;msg=38 which states "Fixed in version network-manager-pptp/1.2.0-1"
[14:52] <soreau> m_tadeu: the question is, what is google?
[14:52] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Are you using BIOS or UEFI? (Do you know?)
[14:53] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: BIOS
[14:53] <FinalX> answering my own question earlier, /etc/localtime now needs to be a symlink in 16.04, which target is read bij dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and recreates /etc/timezone. fixed, Puppet now just sets the symlink :)
[14:53] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Then it sounds as though you moved a logical partition, that's probably going to end in a bad time.
[14:53] <soreau> ducasse: and there was a lot of fixed/notfixed back-n-forth
[14:53] <ducasse> soreau: that fix is in a debian package, not in ubuntu
[14:54] <soreau> ducasse: sure, but upstream the versions should be the same
[14:54] <k1l_> soreau: no. dont mix debian and ubuntu packages
[14:54] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: yes, it's a logical partition
[14:54] <ducasse> soreau: it is a higher version than what ubuntu has available
[14:54] <soreau> k1l_: I know that..
[14:55] <soreau> ducasse: 16.04 at least http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/network-manager-pptp-gnome
[14:55] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: And how is it that you came across the extra space before said partition?
[14:55] <k1l_> soreau: yakkety is 16.10
[14:55] <soreau> indubitably
[14:55] <ducasse> soreau: so what is the question?
[14:56] <kobalter> it is when i enable IdentityFile that gives me errors
[14:56] <soreau> ducasse: well I got confused because I thought I wasn't getting a version from xenial-updates
[14:56] <soreau> ducasse: but now I have to figure out what to do in order to fix this..
[14:56] <ducasse> soreau: ask for a sru?
[14:56] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: I installed the system in another disk...so / and /home  partition were not necessary anymore....so I moved my "data" partition back
[14:56] <kobalter> when i use rsync i have the error where rsync logs on with another user rather than the one specified in .ssh/config
[14:57] <k1l_> soreau: is there a bugreport on launchpad for your issue?
[14:57] <soreau> ducasse: slippery rock university?
[14:57] <ducasse> !sru | soreau
[14:57] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Sounds like you tried to move a logical partition to a normal partition.
[14:58] <soreau> ducasse: ok thanks
[14:59] <ducasse> soreau: but if no bug is filed nothing will happen. file one, and point to the debian bug report.
[14:59] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: any idea what can I do about this?
[15:01] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: I hope you took a backup before attempting to move your data. It might still be salvage able, but it will probably take one-on-one help.
[15:02] <m_tadeu> rypervenche: didn't have any storage that big
[15:02] <rypervenche> m_tadeu: Then you didn't care about losing that data.
[15:12] <nighthawk663> Hello, I'm trying to get an NFS share set up with anonymous access and having absolutely zero luck. Can anyone help me?
[15:13] <nighthawk663> It's actually for hosting up disk images for an IP KVM. But I can't connect to it with Windows or with the IP KVM
[15:13] <nighthawk663> It seems to be giving me permissions errors. But I haven't really set any permissions. Not sure how to fix it. I've done what the guides I've found said and ... I'm stuck.
[15:17] <Fione> hi.
[15:17] <ducasse> nighthawk663: it would be helpful if you could pastebin some errors from the server or other details
[15:18] <nighthawk663> ducasse honestly there are no errors to paste
[15:18] <kobalter> when using IdentityFile u should point to the private key right? not the pub
[15:18] <nighthawk663> ducasse: the server seems to start happily enough, but when I try to connect from the IP KVM, I get a "Access denied" error
[15:18] <joelio> nighthawk663: how do you know they are permissions errors then?
[15:19] <ducasse> nighthawk663: with no errors or further details there is absolutely nothing we can do
[15:19] <ducasse> nighthawk663: what export options have you set on the server?
[15:19] <nighthawk663> When I try to browse the share using the IP KVM, I get "Mount failed: Permission denied"
[15:20] <nighthawk663> I have:   /var/nfs        *(ro,sync,no_root_squash,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534)
[15:20] <dax> kobalter: correct
[15:20] <nighthawk663> where the ononuid and anongid is equal to the UID and GID for "nobody" and "nogroup," respectively
[15:20] <kobalter> mhhh doesnt work :/
[15:20] <nighthawk663> I don't know if it's needed.
[15:20] <nighthawk663> The ownership on /var/nfs are nobody:nogroup
[15:21] <kobalter> dax as soon as i add it, ssh tries to use it but skips to password auth
[15:21] <nighthawk663> iptables are not active, so it shouldn't be a firewall issue
[15:21] <nighthawk663> permissions on the nfs folder are 755
[15:22] <daemonl55> anybody know how to reinstall ubuntu from my laptop
[15:22] <ducasse> nighthawk663: look at the server logs, there should be an error there if it refuses the mount. you might need the 'insecure' option.
[15:23] <nighthawk663> hm, nothing in /var/log. I'll have to dig out where nfs stores the logs
[15:23] <zito> hello i don't knoeìw how i do
[15:24] <ducasse> nighthawk663: which ubuntu version is this?
[15:24] <nighthawk663> 16.06
[15:24] <genii> ...
[15:25] <nighthawk663> Okay, google is seriously failing me. where the frack is the nfs log stored?
[15:25] <ducasse> nighthawk663: try 'journalctl --unit=nfs-kernel-server'
[15:26] <nighthawk663> "-- No Entries --"
[15:26] <ducasse> nighthawk663: nfs entries should be in syslog iirc
[15:27] <ducasse> nighthawk663: did you try with 'insecure'?
[15:28] <nighthawk663> ducasse  does that go in the export (ro....) line?
[15:28] <nighthawk663> ducasse  good call on the syslog. It says "refused mount request for /vs (/): not exported.
[15:28] <nighthawk663> how odd.
[15:30] <ducasse> nighthawk663: can you pastebin the exports file?
[15:31] <nighthawk663> ducasse http://pastebin.com/ALJ3a7qT
[15:31] <dgr48> join #x2go
[15:32] <ducasse> nighthawk663: did you restart the server or reload the exports after editing the exports file?
[15:32] <nighthawk663> yeah, using exportfs -r
[15:33] <ducasse> nighthawk663: it seems to be getting a bad path from the client, see if there is a control character or something there
[15:34] <nighthawk663> ducasse what do you mean?
[15:34] <nighthawk663> I've tried with the KVM client and with Windows using "mount \\<host>\nfs r:" and the same error appears in the syslog. Not exported
[15:34] <ducasse> nighthawk663: the client is asking to mount '/vs', not '/var/nfs'
[15:35] <nighthawk663> oh geez, I swear I tried that before
[15:35] <ducasse> nighthawk663: that will read as \\hostNEWLINEfs
[15:35] <leo-ren> sudo su [$[$RANDOM%6] == 0] && rm -rf /* || echo "<3"
[15:35] <leo-ren> that line is a real stress
[15:36] <ducasse> nighthawk663: normal client syntax is host:/var/nfs
[15:36] <nighthawk663> ducasse  it would if it were originating from linux, but Windows translates it
[15:36] <nighthawk663> ducasse I didn't know you needed the entire path. It just said the "share name"
[15:36] <nighthawk663> since nfs isn't locally stored as /nfs but rather /var/nfs, it was failing. Grrr.
[15:37] <nighthawk663> ducasse thank you very much for your assistance m(_ _)m
[15:37] <ducasse> nighthawk663: you're welcome :)
[15:38] <Furai> Hey, I've got 2 laptops running ubuntu gnome.
[15:38] <Furai> I want to control the 2nd one with the 1st one with some remote tool.
[15:38] <leo-ren> with EFI?
[15:38] <Furai> I've managed to ssh to the other machine but I cannot do any remote desktop control...
[15:39] <Furai> What am I missing?
[15:39] <Furai> I'm using Remmina on my 1st laptop and on the other I've set up just the remote desktop sharing available by default.
[15:40] <Furai> If I set up remmina on other box as host I don't see on my firt machine any vnc servers.
[15:46] <ducasse> Furai: seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#vino
[15:47] <benji__> hey i am a complete newbie here trying to learn a bit of coding and maybe even hacking in the future has anyone any advice for me?
[15:47] <Furai> ducasse, Not yet, reading. I've been searching the net for quite a while.
[15:48] <Furai> benji__, don't do drugs. That's a valid advise in any career path.
[15:48] <Furai> advice*
[15:50] <ducasse> benji__: pick a programming language that suits what you want to do, and get a good book.
[15:53] <benji__> thanks i messed around with python for a while but i turned to html/css if you call that a language ( a friend told me its not , i am not sure)but i have always had the difficutly tof applying the little i know would you recomend me something specific , as far as languages and books are concerned?
[15:55] <ducasse> benji__: html is a markup language. i kinda like 'learning python' by mark lutz, published by o'reilly. if you want to learn python, that is.
[15:56] <yancho> hi. is there some known bug with 16.04 server? that it doesn't take dhcp? just upgraded and not getting ipv4 ip
[15:57] <Pici> yancho: check to be sure that you config in /etc/network/interfaces matches your actual device name. It may not be eth0 anymore.
[15:57] <Ussat> I wou;d think that would be a show stopper before release, also, no it workd fine here
[15:58] <Pici> I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in the release notes... but I too forgot about it until after I rebooted post upgrade.
[15:58] <yancho> Pici: how can i stop DHCPDISCOVER?
[15:58] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[15:59] <Pici> yancho: er.. I don't remember. I just restarted the networking service after I made my changes.
[15:59] <OerHeks> yancho, if you run php on that server, you will find more obstacles > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
[15:59] <yancho> i tried ifup before talking here and am stuck in dhcpdiscover
[16:00] <user01> hey i was curious if i can get support for pulseaudio issue here -- im trying to get high quality audio to work 96000 kHz but its not working
[16:00] <OerHeks> ifdown; ifconfig -a # will tell what name your interface got now
[16:01] <user01> no response in alsa channel
[16:02] <user01> it looks like the alsainfo shows i should be able to get 96000kHz playback rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
[16:02] <Furai> Ok, still no luck. I've even edited vino-preferences
[16:02] <user01> i edit the pulseaudio config but it still goes back to 44100
[16:02] <Furai> Still same thing. Maybe it's something about my local network?
[16:03] <Furai> But that would make no sense because I can ssh to that machine.
[16:05] <yancho> eth0 still shows .. auto eth0 and next line: iface eth0 inet dhcp - Pici, OerHeks it shows eth0 too
[16:06] <ducasse> yancho: yes, but is eth0 still the actual interface name?
[16:06] <OerHeks> here it changed to enp2s0
[16:08] <yancho> how to check? in both places its written eth0
[16:09] <ioria> yancho, ip a
[16:09] <ducasse> yancho: ifconfig, for example
[16:09] <yancho> ip a shows eth0 .. and ifconfig too
[16:10] <ioria> yancho, so it's eth0
[16:10] <yancho> (not sure it effects - this is a vmware guest)
[16:13] <ioria> yancho, what's your issue exactly ?
[16:13] <yancho> ioria: eth0 keeps trying to get an ip from the dhcp
[16:14] <rohit> how do i install 3 rd party apps on  my ubuntu
[16:14] <ioria> yancho,  using NM or /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:14] <ducasse> rohit: depends on the app, look for instructions where you get it.
[16:14] <yancho> ioria: NM ? whats that?
[16:15] <ioria> yancho,  NetwokManager
[16:15] <rohit> i download the apps but how to install them
[16:15] <ioria> yancho,  it's a server ?
[16:15] <yancho> ioria: yes its a server ... service network restart and ifdown ifup both
[16:15] <ducasse> rohit: as i said, look for instructions where you got them
[16:15] <rohit> kk
[16:16] <ioria> yancho,  can you paste /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:16] <yancho> ioria: just a second I'm waiting for dhcpdiscover to finish lol
[16:17] <ViciousLooRoll> Hey. When I started with Ubuntu I was doing stuff I shouldnt have been with root
[16:17] <ViciousLooRoll> How do I transfer everything that doesn't need to be root to a new user
[16:18] <michael_mbp> hi all
[16:18] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, depends what you did, to find out can take more time than backup & reinstall
[16:19] <michael_mbp> I installed ubuntu on a new box and installed the latest nvidia drivers for the GTX 1080.  Once I rebooted, I now have the lightdm looping issue
[16:19] <michael_mbp> well login loop issue that is.
[16:19] <erasmus> start all over
[16:19] <michael_mbp> erasmus: ?
[16:19] <erasmus> from scratch
[16:19] <michael_mbp> I've seen suggestions for uninstalling the drivers
[16:19] <michael_mbp> erasmus: LOL why...
[16:19] <OerHeks> michael_mbp, installed ubuntu in a ( virtual?) box??
[16:19] <erasmus> yeah no luck there
[16:19] <erasmus> cause it's a huge issue
[16:19] <michael_mbp> OerHeks: nah, new gaming box.
[16:19] <ViciousLooRoll> OerHeks: oh poo
[16:19] <michael_mbp> erasmus: wow!
[16:20] <erasmus> it sucks I know
[16:20] <michael_mbp> can't I just uninstall it
[16:20] <ViciousLooRoll> Can I not view all applications installed as root and just move them OerHeks?
[16:20] <erasmus> nope
[16:20] <OerHeks> michael_mbp, oke, how did you install drivers, driver ppa?
[16:20] <erasmus> some will tell you that you can.
[16:20] <michael_mbp> add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[16:20] <erasmus> but it's just a total waste of time.
[16:20] <michael_mbp> apt-get update
[16:20] <michael_mbp> then apt-get install nvidia-367 nvidia-settings
[16:20] <michael_mbp> ah.
[16:21] <rp2> hello all, does anyone know how I can do the equivalent inotifywait -m . (that is, watch all file I/O in the current direcory, but reporting the times of the calls with millisecond precision? iotifywait can only report seconds
[16:21] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, dunno, what did you install by root? .. i think you waste valuable time now
[16:21] <rp2> equivalent *of* inotifywait, I mean
[16:21] <yancho> ioria: auto lo / iface lo inet loopback ... and ... auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp  .... / = new line .. sorry can't paste since I'm not on same machine
[16:21] <ViciousLooRoll> OerHeks not that much.
[16:21] <erasmus> michael_mbp most linux haters will tell you that this is why linux sucks.
[16:21] <ViciousLooRoll> How do I view it OerHeks
[16:21] <erasmus> and to some degree they are right.
[16:22] <ioria> yancho,  ok, you are using dhcp, and not getting an ip  or what ?
[16:22] <myNick> hello :)
[16:22] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, view what?
[16:22] <ViciousLooRoll> Things installed as root
[16:23] <yancho> yes ioria .. before install it had dhcp
[16:23] <ViciousLooRoll> I did ls -a in root and I have vim, weechat and a few others
[16:23] <ioria> yancho,  you still have dhcp
[16:23] <yancho> ioria: dmesg | grep -i eth ... says link is Up
[16:23] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, check auth log and dpkg log
[16:23] <OerHeks> both are in the log util
[16:24] <ioria> yancho,  in ifconfig you can see the ip assigned ?
[16:24] <bala> hi
[16:24] <yancho> ioria: no obviously .. dhcpdiscover times out
[16:24] <yancho> ioria: only dhcp for ipv6
[16:24] <bala> hello
[16:25] <ioria> yancho,  where do you have that message , at boot ?
[16:25] <yancho> ioria: which msg?
[16:25] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, normal programs from software3center require root, that is oke, but if you installed stuff you downloaded yourself, or other tutorials with tricks, you better off reinstalling
[16:25] <ioria> yancho, dhcpdiscover times out
[16:25] <juan_> hi have a problen have been trying to update my xubuntu 14.04 but something is blocking everything
[16:25] <juan_> can anyone help
[16:26] <yancho> ioria: ldp fails and then if I do ifup I get dhcp discover .. then after 5 minutes just returns to prompt without any error
[16:26] <ViciousLooRoll> So u can't apt-get install with out root OerHeks?
[16:26] <OerHeks> no
[16:26] <yancho> ioria: shall i try to power off the machine and pass it another type of NIC?
[16:27] <ViciousLooRoll> And you can run the programs as non root
[16:27] <ViciousLooRoll> So if I install vim as root
[16:27] <ioria> yancho,  do you have any problem at booting ?
[16:27] <ViciousLooRoll> I can use it as a different user?
[16:27] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, yes, most programs can/should be run without root.
[16:27] <ropo> hello, my 'downloads' folder jumped out of the list(Home, Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Videos, Trash) in nautilus how do i fix it? screenshot----> http://imgur.com/a/AwygG
[16:27] <yancho> ioria: just the LDP waiting for networking .. times up and then continues
[16:27] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, if you use vim *outside* your /home, you need root
[16:27] <ViciousLooRoll> OerHeks , so install as root , use as normal user?
[16:28] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, correct
[16:28] <DB2016> Hi all
[16:28] <michael_mbp> erasmus: I'm a long time linux user, although primarily remotely.  And I suppose it's due to these issues.
[16:28] <michael_mbp> I've not had one as a Desktop in almost 18 years.
[16:28] <DB2016> hi guys, i brought a dedicated server today. would like to set it up for file transfer and map the dedicated server as my Network  Drive.
[16:28] <DB2016> any guides on this
[16:28] <michael_mbp> I'll try re-installing over my root partition and see.
[16:28] <ViciousLooRoll> Ok. But if I need to edit something outside of home I would use sudo vim OerHeks?
[16:28] <michael_mbp> erasmus: so what do people do for drivers with lightdm at least?
[16:29] <ioria> yancho,  you can try to comment with a # auto eth0 in the interfces file,  and up the eth0 after
[16:29] <michael_mbp> or would say, gnome or other X window solutions work?
[16:29] <ropo> hello, my 'downloads' folder jumped out of the list(Home, Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Videos, Trash) in nautilus how do i fix it? screenshot----> http://imgur.com/a/AwygG
[16:29] <ropo> Please look at it
[16:29] <yancho> ok ioria will do
[16:29] <ViciousLooRoll> Thanks man, glad I got that cleared up.
[16:29] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[16:29] <ducasse> !patience | ropo
[16:30] <yancho> btw I just restarted .. its LSB which is failing not as I said LDP
[16:30] <DB2016> kindly any advices thanks
[16:30] <OerHeks> ViciousLooRoll, as you stated you did things as root, i thought your damage would be big :-)
[16:31] <gvvg> Hi - I have a couple of problems 16.04 server install - USB wifi - shows up as wlxd85d4c87c80e -is there anyway to rename to wlan0?
[16:31] <ioria> yancho,  try (after commenting an reboot) dhclient eth0
[16:31] <yancho> ok
[16:31] <ViciousLooRoll> OerHeks :) cheers for the help
[16:31] <yancho> ioria: during reboot: a start job is running for Raise network interfaces
[16:32] <yancho> once this finishes, i comment out auto eth0
[16:32] <ioria> yancho,  ok
[16:32] <ViciousLooRoll> OerHeks. Wait, so installing something while logged in as root and sudo apt-get install while as a normal user both install to the same place.
[16:32] <ViciousLooRoll> That's my last question :D
[16:33] <ducasse> ViciousLooRoll: yes, but don't log in as root.
[16:33] <ViciousLooRoll> Ducasse basically never?
[16:34] <ducasse> ViciousLooRoll: no.
[16:34] <ducasse> !root | ViciousLooRoll
[16:34] <ioria> yancho,   before the dhclient cmd,  you need sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[16:34] <ViciousLooRoll> Ducasse lol, until recently I have ssh'd into root for everything
[16:35] <ViciousLooRoll> Good job I haven't done anything big.
[16:35] <ducasse> ViciousLooRoll: don't, use sudo when you need root access.
[16:35] <dax> and turn off root logins over ssh, for god's sake
[16:35] <dax> there's a reason it's off by default
[16:35] <DB2016> hi guys, i brought a dedicated server today. would like to set it up for file transfer and map the dedicated server as my Network  Drive.
[16:35] <DB2016> any guides on this
[16:35] <ViciousLooRoll> Dax how?
[16:36] <mordof> seems a package i need has been remove from the apt repos.. is there any way to check when/why that happened?
[16:36] <dax> ViciousLooRoll: same way you turned it on in the first place, PermitRootLogin in sshd_config
[16:36] <dax> mordof: yes, it's in launchpad. which package?
[16:36] <ViciousLooRoll> Dax. I've always been able to, it's a digital ocean server.
[16:36] <mordof> dax: chef, ubuntu 14.04
[16:37] <dax> ViciousLooRoll: ah. yeah, some of their defaults are on crack
[16:37] <badcatalex> I have been thinking of stwitching from the Linux Mint 18 Sarah distro to Ubuntu 16.04
[16:37] <dax> mordof: chef is in universe in 14.04
[16:37] <dax> !universe
[16:38] <mordof> dax: hmmm.. i wonder if amazon took away the repo that has it in there
[16:38] <mordof> by default
[16:38] <badcatalex> What is lighter and faster? Linux Mint 18 Sarah or Ubuntu 16.04?
[16:38] <mordof> oh what.. this is a 12.04 box
[16:39]  * mordof sighs
[16:39] <ioria> !info chef precise
[16:39] <badcatalex> What is lighter and faster? Linux Mint 18 Sarah or Ubuntu 16.04?
[16:40] <mordof> dax: didn't realize this box i'm rebuilding was so old - gonna upgrade it now, lol
[16:40] <yancho> ioria: still dhcpdiscover
[16:41] <badcatalex> I am on Linux Mint 18 and have been thinking of moving over to Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS.
[16:41] <ducasse> !patience | badcatalex
[16:41] <ioria> yancho,   still the "a start job is running for Raise network interfaces" message at boot ?
[16:42] <yancho> ioria: oops I skipped the boot part .. doing it now
[16:43] <yancho> ioria: no .. the start job error no
[16:43] <ioria> yancho,   sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[16:44] <yancho> no errors nothing ioria
[16:44] <ioria> yancho,   dhclient eth0
[16:45] <yancho> ioria: waiting for a response
[16:46] <yancho> ... still waiting
[16:46] <thumpba> is there an equivalent sosreport tool for ubuntu to gather system info and logs?
[16:48] <ioria> yancho,   try with sudo, sudo dhclient -r   and sudo dhclient
[16:48] <transhuman> hi! I want to install the invidia .run driver for my video card on ubuntu 14.04 when I reboot into recovery mode and go to a root prompt netowrking isnt available. If I try init 3 or init 2 the keyboard is messed up and I cant log in..how do I get around this problem?
[16:49] <yancho> ioria: yeah i did dhclient with sudo .. now trying -r
[16:50] <yancho> ioria: -sudo dhclient -r eth0 no error
[16:50] <ioria> yancho,   again  sudo dhclient
[16:50] <yancho> waiting
[16:51] <ioria> yancho,   maybe restart the router
[16:52] <yancho> ioria: deleted the dhcp from the router
[16:53] <ioria> yancho,   meaning ?
[16:53] <transhuman> what did I miss whats your issue ioria
[16:53] <michael_mbp> erasmus: lol tried a couple things, no luck. Meh.
[16:53] <michael_mbp> I'll leave it and re-install Ubuntu later.
[16:53] <yancho> ioria: the dhcp lease on the router
[16:53] <daxdax89> hey guys do you know any software for ubuntu i can make lessons with, that records screen, webcam or DSLR video connected via usb and audio?
[16:53] <ioria> transhuman, yancho 's issue :-
[16:54] <transhuman> sounds like a difficult one
[16:54] <ducasse> daxdax89: try kazam, maybe
[16:54] <kittykitty> anyone able to help me figure out how to properly calculate a processes' memory usage? I mean like how top and things do it. Is it just executable size in memory + variable data? And if so, which of those do i add to get an accurate reading?
[16:55] <erasmus> michael_mbp I would.
[16:55] <erasmus> once you install those drivers you cannot get rid of them
[16:56] <erasmus> anyone is free to tell me I'm wrong.
[16:56] <yancho> ioria: no luck by restarting the router too
[16:56] <ioria> yancho,  you can try to set up a static ip, to test if it's working
[16:56] <transhuman> did you try pmap -d PID
[16:56] <transhuman> kittykitty
[16:56] <ioria> yancho,  and check syslog and dmesg
[16:57] <transhuman> anyone have any idea on my issue
[16:57] <kittykitty> transhuman, im actually doing this with C and the procps header. It has a few memory hooks per process. Not sure what to do with them lol. Theres like, 0 documentation for the entire lib
[16:58] <kittykitty> i think it returns # pages but how big is a page?
[16:58] <jjj_> .
[16:58] <transhuman> ah your more advanced than I kittykitty I wish I was a C programmer. I can read the crap but I cant right it...slightly retarded in that respect
[16:58] <kittykitty> also, my calculation for total memory used by the system is WAY different to that of gnome-system-monitor
[16:58] <kittykitty> aw transhuman
[16:59] <transhuman> I have like 10 projects that I could do and make lots of money if I had that skill
[16:59] <kittykitty> what on earth is RSS memory?
[16:59] <transhuman> Resident shared maybe?
[17:00] <transhuman> RSS amount of physical memory the application is using  CODE total amount of memory the process's executable code is using DATA - total amount of memory (kb) dedicated to a process's data and stack      pmap -x PID also includes a RSS column which is often quite useful to get idea where the RSS sum of a process (as observed e.g. via top comes from)
[17:01] <yancho> ioria: http://imgur.com/a/Dnd1z
[17:01] <transhuman> smem -t
[17:01] <transhuman> smem -tw
[17:02] <transhuman> smem  --pie=name
[17:02] <kittykitty> hm transhuman, so maybe use RSS ?
[17:02] <transhuman> that would be my guess but I am not sure
[17:04] <kittykitty> or maybe data+stack is more useful?
[17:04] <ducasse> kittykitty: try ##linux, you'll have a much better chance of getting the info you need there
[17:07] <transhuman> anyone able to tell me how I fix my issue. I cant use networking in root recovery mode the network isnt there and sudo /etc/init.d/networking start has no effect only lo interface exists. Think its an init run level problem but init 2 or init 3 causes keyboard to mess up
[17:10] <josh___> Hello!
[17:10] <josh___> Hello!
[17:11] <josh___> quit
[17:11] <genii> josh___: You've arrived in the Ubuntu support channel, if you have a question regarding your Ubuntu, just ask it and someone may take up an answer
[17:11] <genii> ...
[17:13] <gb_mks> Hi, can someone tell me how to solve this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1398569
[17:14] <yancho> ioria: static ip works and pings
[17:15] <ioria> yancho, good
[17:16] <yancho> tried to revert changes .. ie back to dhcp .. no luck
[17:18] <ioria> yancho, you said it's a VM ?
[17:18] <yancho> yep
[17:18] <gb_mks> can someone help with this bug? https://titanpad.com/bug138569
[17:19] <ioria> yancho, maybe the issue is there... some settings, i don't use it a lot
[17:20] <ducasse> gb_mks: seems the best solution now is to upgrade to 16.04 or nag the developers to provide a fix for 14.04
[17:20] <gb_mks> I can´t upgrade, because I´m using triquel 7.0
[17:20] <gb_mks> and version 8.0 is not available
[17:20] <yancho> hmmm but its definitely related to the upgrade ioria
[17:21] <ducasse> gb_mks: triquel is not supported here
[17:21] <ioria> yancho,  what upgrade ?
[17:21] <yancho> from 15.10 to 16.04
[17:22] <ristok> Is it possible to...  I have terminal with 8 tabs normally, and multiple terminals to fill the screen.  Terminal tabs are filenames.  8 tabs, will shrink the tabs to only show some letters from the beginning of the filename.  I would like, that when I hover the cursor over a tab, it will resize to show the fullname, the other tabs will shrink to give space for the one under hover.  Is there a way to do this?
[17:22] <ristok> Or some other way, with similar results?
[17:22] <gb_mks> trisquel 7.0 is Ubuntu 14.04 without the privative blobs ... it happens the same in ubuntu 14.04 (you can read it in the bug description)
[17:23] <ristok> Or some instant tooltip when hovered.
[17:23] <ducasse> gb_mks: still, not supported here
[17:23] <transhuman> gb_mks, according to that link  schroot - 1.6.10-1ubuntu1
[17:24] <transhuman> fixes the issue
[17:24] <transhuman> did you try compiling schroot from source...just curious..no expert here
[17:24] <gb_mks> yes but Ubuntu 14.04 still have the schroot 1.6.8-1ubuntu1 version
[17:25] <gb_mks> I tried to install the 1.6.10-1ubuntu1 package and dependencies, but it isn´t the way to go
[17:25] <transhuman> did you check and see if backports has it? Or is that debian only guess thats debian scratch that
[17:26] <transhuman> what about a different version in universe repository
[17:26] <dax> there's only one version of a package in a given ubuntu release, universe doesn't carry upgraded versions
[17:27] <transhuman> dont keep it enabled too long though for sure
[17:27] <dax> ubuntu has backports, they're just not widespread
[17:27] <transhuman> ah good to know
[17:28] <dax> and i don't see one for schroot
[17:28] <transhuman> what about finding the patch and applying it to the current version source and making a package out of it and installing it?
[17:29] <ducasse> what he needs is an sru, but the developers are probably not going to listen to a request from him as he is running a different distro
[17:30] <transhuman> ah ok
[17:30] <transhuman> curious whats an sru?
[17:30] <gb_mks> transhuman: I tried the backport option but nothing
[17:30] <ducasse> !sru
[17:30] <Xano> I am trying to install openjdk which tells me I must disable Secure Boot. While I have no reason to distrust the package, I decided to read up on what Secure Boot does exactly, and what would be the consequences of disabling it. I did not end up finding good reasons to have it enabled myself, and I was wondering if the friendly people in this channel could give me any.
[17:30] <gb_mks> it happens when there should be software updated in a stable release... the whole process is explained there
[17:31] <transhuman> the diff applied in the patch must exist someonewhere doesnt anyone know where to find it? it was made by linux himself wasnt it/
[17:31] <transhuman> maybe on kernel.org?
[17:32] <transhuman> s/linux/linus
[17:32] <gb_mks> it looks that it affects everyone with Ubuntu 14.04
[17:33] <transhuman> gb_mks which disto you running
[17:33] <gb_mks> trisquel 7.0 (it´s ubuntu 14.04 without the privative blobs)
[17:33] <hammer25> hey guys, I'm trying to install lubuntu using crouton on my chromebook. As I understand it, the only difference between ubuntu and lubuntu is the desktop (unity vs lxde) and the applications it comes with?
[17:33] <transhuman> never heard of it
[17:34] <ducasse> gb_mks: the right place to ask would be #trisquel or #trisquel-dev
[17:34] <Pici> Xano: I'm going to regret asking this, but why do you think that openjdk requires secure boot?
[17:34] <gb_mks> ducasse: not really, as it is a problem in schroot ...
[17:35] <ducasse> gb_mks: yes, but talk to _your_ distro's people about it.
[17:35] <gb_mks> trnshuman: check this list: www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
[17:36] <Xano> Pici, In fact, I am the one to regret asking a question. apt-install install told me "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.", which I did, and *that* gave me instructions to disable Secure Boot (which I denied, after which apt-get install worked fine again).
[17:36] <gb_mks> ducasse: that is not logical,  if there is a problem in the kernel of a distro, would you talk to the people that makes the distro or the ones that make the kernel?
[17:36] <Pici> Xano: so.. everything is fine now?
[17:37] <visually> Hi I'm using Compiz setting manager to help with zoom, but I want to know how to use a key, plus mouse scroll to zoom
[17:37] <visually> like the Mac.
[17:37] <Xano> Pici, It seems so, yes. I cannot tell how the problems with the original apt-get install were solved, but they were.
[17:37] <Pici> Xano: huzzah!
[17:37] <visually> with the mac I can set the alt key and scroll up/down to zoom in/out. I would like this same feature with Ubuntu
[17:37] <Xano> Pici, So I did have a problem, but didn't read properly and asked the wrong question. Yet the problem was solved ;-)
[17:37] <Xano> Pici++
[17:37] <visually> I'm using CompizConfigSettingsManager
[17:38] <ducasse> gb_mks: i would file an ubuntu bug.
[17:38] <gb_mks> ducasse: there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1398569
[17:38] <ducasse> gb_mks: yes, it was fixed in vivid iirc
[17:39] <gb_mks> they fixed it for vivid, but they havent´s solved it for ubuntu 14.04
[17:39] <ducasse> gb_mks: correct.
[17:40] <gb_mks> as you can see in the messages below
[17:40] <visually> anyone?
[17:41] <dax> so create a debdiff for a trusty sru or find someone to do it, neither of which are #ubuntu support issues
[17:42] <gb_mks> dax: I asked in ubuntu-bugs and ubuntu-touch ... but it looks that neither are the correct place to ask. Where I can ask for the debdif and stable release update (SRU)?
[17:43] <ducasse> gb_mks: try the launchpad bug, maybe you get lucky.
[17:44] <gb_mks> ducasse: thanks, but I don´t want to triplecate it (there are two of those https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1398569 and  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1478684)  ... they even have part of the solution
[17:45] <visually> figured it out!
[17:45] <visually> thanks for the help... not
[17:45] <ducasse> gb_mks: just add a comment on one of them, there isn't anything else you can do.
[17:45] <dax> gb_mks: the SRU team is #ubuntu-release, general devel stuff is #ubuntu-devel, general universe stuff is #ubuntu-motu. not sure which.
[17:45] <dax> ducasse: there's already a comment there on the first bug linked, didn't get any traction because nobody's done the work to get a debdiff
[17:45] <gb_mks> dax: many many thanks :D
[17:46] <gb_mks> yes, that´s the point, I´m looking for someone with the knowledge to do it and I might help to learn as much as I can
[17:48] <yancho> apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 2 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php7.0.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp7.0.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp7.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <--- before upgrading 15.10 to 16.04 apache2 was working .. now this error .. any idea from where to start fixing please?
[17:48] <nuit_> What are the benefits of switching to Ubuntu from os x
[17:50] <MonkeyDust> nuit_  it's free
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> nuit_  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX
[17:54] <Blue1> I am having a problem with snap on my xubuntu 16.04 system - /dev/loop2      128K  128K     0 100% /snap/hello-world/27  how do I fix this out of space thing?
[17:57] <ducasse> Blue1: that is not a problem, snaps work that way
[17:57] <Blue1> ducasse: so I can ignore it then?
[17:57] <ducasse> Blue1: yes, it's a read-only loop device - you're not supposed to write to it
[17:59] <Blue1> ducasse: thank you
[18:22] <LordDragon> hey all
[18:23] <nuit_> Using Linux promotes ill health and poor social skills
[18:24] <LordDragon> i want to install the latest 16.04.1 LTS on my little VPS. but i need a minimal install. i only have 256mb ram and 8GB of disk space. is there a way to use the normal install ISO to specify an appropriate install for those constraints?
[18:32] <bekks> LordDragon: When not using the kernel provided by your hoster, you will break your VPS.
[18:33] <k1l_> LordDragon: most times the hoster provides images for that.
[18:34] <LordDragon> hmm. well it seems in their premade images, there is 16.04 Server 64 bit, but not 16.04.`. would i be able to upgrade to .1 after the fresh install of 16.04 and still have it work?
[18:34] <bekks> LordDragon: So install 16.04 from your host, then run "sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade;". Done.
[18:35] <k1l_> LordDragon: the .1 is like a servicepack. so if you install all updates you will have the .1 already
[18:35] <LordDragon> okie. sounds good :) thank you. the "Server" version is the one i want right? im assuming it leaves out xorg ?
[18:35] <k1l_> LordDragon: yeah
[18:36] <LordDragon> dont suppose you know off hand how much space server edition requires after fresh install?
[18:36] <golu> hey
[18:36] <k1l_> LordDragon: that depends on the changes the hoster made. and what services do run.
[18:36] <LordDragon> hmm k
[18:37] <LordDragon> thanks
[18:37] <golu> what the hell is going on
[18:37] <golu> hey can anyone help  me?actually my eclipse is not working on ubuntu
[18:37] <bekks> golu: Works for me. Whats the issue on your side?
[18:38] <golu> when i am creating aclass its hangs
[18:38] <golu> bekks any solution
[18:39] <bekks> golu: So did you check the logs of eclipse?
[18:40] <golu> ya i have created as ubuntu fore=ms said
[18:48] <xavior> hi, i am using ubuntu 12.04, how can i update the native firefox to it's most resent version
[18:49] <k1l_> !info firefox precise
[18:49] <k1l_> !info firefox
[18:50] <k1l_> xavior: its the same as on the most recent 16.04
[18:53] <Richistany> hi
[18:54] <xavior> i used the package manager and update it but not to the recent version
[18:54] <k1l_> xavior: what version do you have there?
[18:57] <xavior> k1l_:29.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.10.3
[18:57] <k1l_> xavior: please run "apt-cache policy firefox | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the output url here.
[18:58] <xavior> http://termbin.com/3kmo
[18:58] <k1l_> xavior: you are using ubutnu 12.10 which is dead since april 2014.
[18:59] <xavior> yes
[18:59] <k1l_> xavior: why?
[18:59] <bekks> xavior: and you get the latest updates that where available for 12.10 when it was alive.
[18:59] <k1l_> xavior: please reinstall a actual supported ubuntu (12.04, 14.04 or 16.04)
[18:59] <xavior> ok
[19:00] <k1l_> and if you dont like to upgrade to a new ubuntu, then stay on that LTS release. they do have 5 years support.
[19:00] <xavior> i have to update my ubuntu to update firefox to the recent version
[19:01] <bekks> xavior: No, you have to update your ubuntu because you are using an unsupported release.
[19:01] <xavior> is there any other way?
[19:01] <k1l_> xavior: your ubuntu is dead. its like using windows 97.
[19:01] <bekks> xavior: No.
[19:01] <xavior> that much?
[19:01] <bekks> xavior: that much what?
[19:02] <k1l_> xavior: as i said: actual supported ubuntus are 12.04, 14.04 and 16.04 at the moment. all of them do have the latest firefox
[19:02] <xavior> that much is old?
[19:02] <bekks> xavior: Yes. Unsupported since 2014.
[19:02] <xavior> ok i have 12.04
[19:02] <bekks> xavior: you have 12.10
[19:02] <bekks> xavior: you pasted that information yourself.
[19:03] <k1l_> xavior: you dont. you have 12.10 not 12.04
[19:03] <xavior> i mean that i have 12.04
[19:03] <bekks> xavior: You dont have 12.04, you have 12.10.
[19:03] <k1l_> xavior: no. you changed your repos to the old-relases of 12.10
[19:03] <xavior> as iso file
[19:03] <xavior> yes i had
[19:03] <k1l_> xavior: "lsb_release -a" will tell you what ubuntu version your system is
[19:03] <bekks> xavior: So burn that file to a cd/dvd, and reinstall your box.
[19:04] <xavior> ok
[19:04] <xavior> is that version is supported until now
[19:04] <xavior> ?
[19:05] <k1l_> xavior: 12.04, 14.04 and 16.04 are supported now
[19:05] <k1l_> your 12.10 is not supported since april 2014
[19:05] <xavior> ok thank you
[19:06] <xavior> one more thing
[19:08] <xavior> i have my all packages of this version of  ubuntu 12.10 backed up can i use then in the ubuntu 12.04?
[19:08] <k1l_> no. you cant mix the versions
[19:10] <dragonham> hey guys. so im being told by my VPS provider that the 16.04 Server installer sometimes has issues with 256MB of ram. they are suggesting I use the netboot version instead and install the packages manually. I don't suppose there is a list somewhere of what packages ill need to get me up to the Server version?
[19:10] <dragonham> ive never done a manual install of ubuntu before
[19:10] <dragonham> i dont know what all packages id need
[19:10] <xavior> ok, is that's mean that i have to re-download them all? or try to split what i can reuse?
[19:11] <k1l_> dragonham: if you install the metapackages like apache and the stuff you want it will pull the depencies with it.
[19:12] <k1l_> xavior: you cant reuse them. the 12.10 packages have the wrong versions and have depencies you cant solve on other ubuntu versions.
[19:13] <dragonham> k1l_: right. but im more worried about the essentials. like having everything for configuring, compiling etc. having the right headers. sshd server for remote access etc etc. im sure there are dozens of ones i need that i cant even think of
[19:13] <bekks> dragonham: All packages you named are installed with a single line :)
[19:14] <k1l_> dragonham: the netinstaller asks you what package-groups you want to install. like ssh, lamp, ....
[19:16] <shakermaker> hi yall
[19:16] <dragonham> bekks: and what is that magical line? :P
[19:17] <bekks> dragonham: sudo apt-get install build-essentials linux-headers-$(uname -r) openssh-server
[19:17] <dragonham> k1l_: see. I don't even know what lamp is. i wouldnt know what I need even if its staring me in the face :P
[19:18] <bekks> dragonham: if you dont know what lamp is, you dont need it ;)
[19:18] <dragonham> lol
[19:18] <dragonham> fair enough
[19:18] <ioria>  dragonham Linux Apache Mysql Php
[19:18] <ioria>  dragonham lamp
[19:19] <dragonham> bekks: after installing those packages, is there any configuration i need to do? i remember when i did the "Server" version everything was basically preset up
[19:19] <bekks> dragonham: So the answer is "No" :)
[19:19] <dragonham> ioria: do i need mysql, php, etc if im not running a webserver?
[19:20] <ioria>  dragonham nope
[19:20] <dragonham> kk
[19:20] <k1l_> dragonham: that is the point: we dont know what you need to run on that server. so you only can know what to install.
[19:20] <ioria>  dragonham btw, i'm running 16.04 server with 256 mb
[19:21] <dikiaap> Is 16.04 still support with fglrx driver?
[19:21] <ioria> nope
[19:21] <k1l_> dikiaap: no. amd stopped making fglrx for the recent xorg version
[19:22] <dikiaap> Oh k. Any alternative?
[19:22] <dragonham> ioria: yeah. when i boot off the 16.04 server image, after selecting the US keyboard layout, i get an error
[19:22] <dragonham> "failed to load installer component. Loading apt-cdrom-setup failed for unknown reasons. Aborting"
[19:22] <k1l_> dikiaap: radeon. and amd supports now the amd_gpu kernel driver for new cards as exchange for fglrx
[19:23] <ioria>  dragonham oh
[19:23] <bekks> dragonham: the server image from your hoster?
[19:23] <dragonham> ioria: yep
[19:23] <dragonham> bekks: yep
[19:23] <bekks> dragonham: then you need to contact your hoster.
[19:24] <dragonham> and when i contacted my VPS provider, they said that there are issues witht he installer when only having 256MB
[19:24] <dikiaap> k1l_: thx for the info buddy
[19:24] <bekks> dragonham: So how much RAM do you have?
[19:24] <dragonham> 256MB
[19:24] <dragonham> :P
[19:24] <bekks> dragonham: Then you need more :P
[19:24] <dragonham> lol
[19:25] <dragonham> bekks: you'll pay the extra fee per month right? :P
[19:25] <bekks> dragonham: Why would I, its your VPS :P
[19:25] <dragonham> this is a good questin though. am i gonna run into memory problems running newer ubuntu versions like 16.04?
[19:25] <bekks> dragonham: you already did.
[19:25] <dragonham> ive been running 14.04.3 for a long time
[19:26] <bekks> dragonham: So why dont you run 14.04 untol 2019?
[19:26] <dragonham> bekks: hmm. reasons..
[19:26] <bekks> dragonham: Which reasons?
[19:26] <dragonham> such as. "its newer and moar better"
[19:26] <dragonham> i got nothing man :( i just wanted to update to the latest. lol
[19:26] <dax> 16.04 is not notably more memory-intensive than 14.04, on my VPS and server
[19:26] <bekks> dragonham: You dont even know which software you need - so which software is "newer" then? :)
[19:27] <dax> and last i read the requirements for the server installer included 192MB of RAM, so 256 should be fine...
[19:27] <dragonham> bekks: well the reason i have such little diskspace and ram, is cuz its all i need. i run 3 things so far. a few eggdrops, a znc, and sometimes a shoutcast server
[19:27] <bekks> dragonham: And why dont you continue to use 14.04 then? :)
[19:28] <fendo59> quit
[19:28] <dax> fendo59: try /quit
[19:28] <dragonham> bekks: because 16.04 minus 14.04 is 2.0. thats like TWO things im missing
[19:28] <bekks> dragonham: And why do you think that to be relevant at all?
[19:29] <fendo59> Thank
[19:30] <dragonham> ok ok. i have no real good reason. i just wanted to update to the latest version and do a fresh install of the OS. after the initial install like 3 years ago, all ive done is in place upgrades. and sometimes i get buggy things like /boot getting full of kernels that i dont need, etc
[19:30] <bekks> dragonham: So delete old kernel packages. Done.
[19:30] <ioria>  dragonham autoremove ?
[19:31] <ioria>  dragonham i mean sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:31] <dragonham> ioria / bekks. yeah and thats what i end up doing every so often. autoremove and/or manually deleting things that get left behind
[19:31] <dragonham> it'd be nice to not have to do that and have it only keep the last couple kernel versions
[19:32] <mbwe> well dragonham one good anwer would be i want to de the upgrade so that i could learn how to do system upgrades.
[19:32] <dragonham> i thought it was a bug honestly. i dont remember desktop installs of ubuntu getting full /boot
[19:32] <othmane> -i
[19:32] <othmane> sudo -i
[19:32] <bekks> dragonham: Hire a system admin if you dont want to do that job yourself. Thats "normal" when being the system admin.
[19:32] <dragonham> see! look what mbwe said. i knew there was SOME reason :D
[19:32] <ioria>  dragonham  you don't know (for sure) if the new kernel will work, so it's up to you remove the previous
[19:32] <bekks> dragonham: An invalid reason. Laziness is not a valid reason. :P
[19:32] <mbwe> well, but bekks is right in that you don't fix what is not broken
[19:33] <dragonham> ok. well u guys are right. i mean i saw on the wiki that that end of life of 14.04.3 was 2016. but if you are saying 2019, i got plenty of time
[19:33] <tete_> hi, i would like to update to 16.10 alpha, but do-release-upgrade -d tells me there is no update - can someone tell me why?
[19:34] <othmane> hello
[19:34] <mbwe> the lts have a 5 year support cycle dragonham
[19:34] <bekks> dragonham: You did not see that on the wiki, since thats not true.
[19:34] <ioria>  dragonham  all the enabl stack ended this month, aparte xenial
[19:34] <bekks> othmane: Stop sending me unwanted DCC requests.
[19:34] <othmane> bekks sorry
[19:34] <othmane> it's not by me
[19:34] <mbwe> so 14.04 is an LTS  version
[19:35] <bekks> othmane: It was by you. Just stop it. Thank you.
[19:35] <othmane> it was from my pc but not by me
[19:35] <mbwe> on the server you have 5 year support on the lts version and on the desktop its 3 dragonham
[19:35] <dragonham> bekks / ioria ok so only a certain feature of 14.04.3 is expiring?
[19:35] <bekks> dragonham: No.
[19:35] <ioria> dragonham  if you are on trusty with a kernel under 4.4 you need to upgrade or install the enabl stack of xenial
[19:36] <bekks> dragonham: 14.04 is supported until 2019.
[19:36] <milestone234> microsoft wants to do all updates now with a single patch even on previous window versions ...
[19:36] <ioria> dragonham  with the execption of 13
[19:37] <milestone234> I maybe switching over to linux for my main OS sooner than I thought. microsoft seems to be going crazy
[19:37] <milestone234> lol
[19:38] <dragonham> ioria:  3.13.0-93-generic
[19:38] <dragonham> thats what i have right now
[19:38] <othmane> lol ?
[19:38] <ioria> dragonham  it's ok
[19:38] <Gr33nM4n> i was reading an article that suggested that microsoft was slowly making steam unworkable
[19:38] <k1l_> 3.13 is the original 14.04 kernel
[19:38] <k1l_> !ot | Gr33nM4n milestone234
[19:39] <tete_> i would like to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 alpha, do-release-upgrade -d says no new release found - anyone an idea why?
[19:39] <dragonham> k1l_: ok so i want to update that then?
[19:39] <OerHeks> tete_, not sure, reask in #ubuntu+1
[19:39] <othmane> wait !
[19:39] <tete_> OerHeks, thanks
[19:39] <ioria> dragonham  it's the old kernel, but you'll have updates
[19:40] <k1l_> dragonham: you dont need to update that.
[19:40] <k1l_> dragonham: the 3.13 kernel still gets security and bugfix updates from ubuntu.
[19:40] <dragonham> would updating to the latest kernel require recompile of things like eggdrop, znc, shoutcast?
[19:40] <bekks> dragonham: No.
[19:40] <k1l_> dragonham: its like having a 2 years old car that works. you can get a new one, but you dont need to get a new one.
[19:41] <dragonham> ok. well i can at least upgrade from 14.04.3 to 14.04.4 right?
[19:41] <k1l_> dragonham: sure
[19:42] <k1l_> dragonham: the .3 and .4 are "point releases". they are like the "service packs" from windows. so if you run all updates you get to 14.04.4 automatically
[19:42] <dragonham> k1l_: according to lsb_release -a
[19:42] <dragonham> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[19:43] <k1l_> dragonham: "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[19:43] <dragonham> there it goes
[19:44] <dragonham> one day i will understand what every single line of this process means ;)
[19:45] <k1l_> does it update packages?
[19:45] <Gr33nM4n>  /msg ubottu !register
[19:45] <dragonham> seems so. it was unpacking python and such
[19:45] <k1l_> so, you were not even fully updated there
[19:45] <dragonham> yeah its been a bit
[19:46] <Kodda> I want to add user
[19:46] <Kodda> adduser username sudo --quiet
[19:46] <k1l_> well, then all that talk about upgrades and pointreleases were just theoretical? :)
[19:46] <Kodda> I get error: adduser: The user `username' does not exist.
[19:46] <k1l_> Kodda: use an actual user that exists on your system.
[19:46] <Kodda> But do I get that error when I want to add user?
[19:47] <Kodda> Hm
[19:47] <k1l_> Kodda: replace "username" with the actual user
[19:47] <Kodda> Well, I thought adduser is for adding new user.
[19:47] <dragonham> thank you VERY much k1l_ and ioria and bekks for educating me a bit today
[19:48] <dragonham> i cant seem to get rid of initrd.img-3.13.0-57-generic in /boot though
[19:48] <dragonham> its been stuck in there forever
[19:48] <ioria> dragonham  no prob
[19:48] <ce7> Hi!
[19:48] <bekks> dragonham: how do you try to get rid if it?
[19:48] <ce7> does anyone can jelp me?
[19:48] <ce7> help*
[19:48] <bekks> ce7: How do we know without an actual question?
[19:48] <_adb> !ask | ce7
[19:48] <dragonham> bekks: when i was cleaning it out, i had looked up a command that i cant remember off thet op of my head. it worked on everything else but that one wouldnt remove
[19:49] <ce7> ok
[19:49] <bekks> dragonham: How do you "clean out", exactly?
[19:49] <k1l_> dragonham: "ls -al /boot | nc termbin.com 9999" and "dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999" run that both lines and post that output urls here
[19:50] <ce7> actually i am having problem with screen resolution. I just installed ubuntu mate and my screen resolution are working just on 800x600 terrible! Os do not let me change it, give me just this option.
[19:50] <bekks> ce7: And which graphics card do you have?
[19:50] <ce7> let me check just a sec
[19:51] <dragonham> http://termbin.com/lojs
[19:51] <_adb> ce7: lspci | grep -i vga
[19:51] <dragonham> http://termbin.com/kn1l
[19:51] <dragonham> there you go k1l_
[19:51] <poopBot> how to check if i have jdk installed?
[19:51] <ioria> dragonham  no linux-image-3.13.0-57-generic
[19:51] <k1l_> dragonham: what is the output of "uname -a"?
[19:52] <dragonham> Linux dragonbytes 3.13.0-93-generic #140-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 18 21:21:05 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:52] <_adb> poopBot: dpkg -l '*-jdk'
[19:52] <dragonham> ioria: yeah when i was deleting all kernel images, it removed part of 57, but that file got left behind
[19:52] <Guest91160> ce7, go to System><Administration>Software&Updates and there will be tab "Additional drivers", so you can try install some video drivers
[19:52] <poopBot> none non enone none
[19:52] <poopBot> noooooooooooooooo
[19:52] <poopBot> hahaha
[19:53] <Cryptic-Infidel> h
[19:53] <Cryptic-Infidel> g
[19:53] <ioria> dragonham   sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.13.0-57-generic    what it says ?
[19:53] <k1l_> dragonham: maybe that is for the the recovery system from the hoster
[19:53]  * dragonham raises his wand and shouts PROTEGO back at alazare619 
[19:53] <ce7> I have triyed it but didnt work
[19:53] <bekks> ce7: Define "didnt work" please.
[19:54] <poopBot> lol on ubuntu its called default-jdk
[19:54] <bekks> ce7: which graphics card do you have?
[19:54] <bekks> !info default-jdk
[19:54] <ce7> i tried to add a new driver, no success unfortunately
[19:54]  * alazare619 cast Imperio at dragonham
[19:54]  * alazare619 forces dragonham to /part while under the affects of Imperio
[19:55] <bekks> ce7: And which graphics card do you have...? When will you answer that?
[19:55]  * dragonham ducks and shouts STUPIFY at alazare619 
[19:55] <Guest91160> ce7, ubuntu mate on rea PC or on virtualized?
[19:55] <dragonham> ioria: it seems like its working
[19:55] <dragonham> its gonna remove 88 and 91 too
[19:56] <ioria> dragonham,   expecto patronum
[19:56] <k1l> dragonham: alazare619 please keep this channel support only
[19:56] <ce7> its installed on HD
[19:56] <dragonham> ioria: hey im not a dementor :P
[19:56] <ioria> ok
[19:56] <dragonham> okie. sorry. just a little humor :)
[19:57] <bekks> ce7: can you read me?
[19:57] <ce7> yes bekks
[19:57] <bekks> ce7: Why are you ignoring my question then, constantly?
[19:57] <ce7> i am an attempt to find it
[19:57] <ce7> i am a nwe Linux user
[19:57] <ce7> sorry
[19:57] <dragonham> ioria: k1l
[19:57] <dragonham> http://pastebin.com/GN8tGbq3
[19:57] <OerHeks> lspci | grep VGA
[19:58] <ce7> new*
[19:58] <dragonham> it says its gonna be removed but an ls shows its still there in /boot
[19:58] <Guest91160> ce7, open mate terminal and  lspci | grep VGA
[19:58] <dragonham> perhaps i need a reboot to finalize the removal?
[19:58] <ioria> dragonham,   no, that is autoremove
[19:59] <Guest91160> ce7, it is in Applications>System tools
[19:59] <dragonham> ioria: you can see the command i typed. it was just what you said
[19:59] <ce7>  Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10)
[20:00] <ce7> tks Guest91160
[20:00] <ce7> there it is bekks
[20:00] <bekks> ce7: thats one of the most horrible chipsets out there.
[20:00] <ioria> dragonham,   that cmd purge your half-removed kernel 3.13.0-57, the rest id about autoremove
[20:00] <ce7> yep
[20:00] <bekks> ce7: you can be glad to have 800x600 working.
[20:00] <ce7> but at pen drive boot, it works on 1024x768
[20:01] <ce7> the big deal is, when i use it on HD
[20:01] <ioria> dragonham,   you can run it, if you want, you'll gain space
[20:01] <bekks> ce7: so check the driver in use, at pen drive boot.
[20:01] <ce7> ok!
[20:01] <ce7> tks!
[20:01] <Kodda> How can I use "adduser -q" with setting a password ?
[20:02] <ioria> dragonham,   it'll  remove also the 91 kernel and old headres
[20:02] <ovrflw0x> On HP Envy 14 beats audio laptop volume of speakers is too low how to increase it?
[20:02] <dragonham> ioria: ok. well after your command and my autoremove, i have two kernels. 92 and 93. BUT initrd.img-3.13.0-57-generic is STILL there
[20:02] <ioria> dragonham,   really ?
[20:02] <dragonham> ioria: yep
[20:03] <bekks> dragonham: And whats the big deal in manually removing that file?
[20:03] <ioria> dragonham,   rebooted ?
[20:03] <dragonham> ioria: yep
[20:03] <ovrflw0x> On HP Envy 14 (2010 model) beats audio laptop volume of speakers is too low how to increase it?
[20:03] <bekks> ioria: No need for rebooting.
[20:03] <ioria> dragonham,   odd
[20:03] <dragonham> bekks: nothing, provided it wont break anything
[20:03] <bekks> dragonham: It will not break anything.
[20:03] <bekks> dragonham: you arent using that file.
[20:03] <_adb> kodda: from man adduser: "The --disabled-password option will not set a  password,  but  login  is  still possible (for example with SSH RSA keys)."
[20:04] <dragonham> bekks: permission denied
[20:04] <dragonham> well that was dumb
[20:04] <dragonham> lol
[20:04] <bekks> dragonham: you are trying to remove that file using which user?
[20:04] <dragonham> sorry. forgot the sudo
[20:04] <Guest91160> ovrflw0x, what distro are you using?
[20:05] <dragonham> okie. all gone. thanks bekks. i just didnt know enough about what the files in /boot did to feel comfy just manually removing files
[20:05] <ovrflw0x> Guest91160, ubuntu 14.04
[20:05] <ovrflw0x> Guest91160, ubuntu 16.04
[20:05] <othmane> Guys can anyone tell me what is the best mp3tag alternative for linux ?
[20:06] <bekks> othmane: easytag or picard.
[20:06] <othmane> bekks they let me add cover photo on music ?
[20:06] <bekks> othmane: sure.
[20:06] <othmane> Thank you ! :)
[20:06] <ovrflw0x> wat to do Guest91160
[20:06] <Guest91160> ovrflw0x, you can try increase sound in sound mixer, or use alsamixer in terminal
[20:08] <OerHeks> ovrflw0x, clementine got a build-in equalizer
[20:08] <ovrflw0x> OerHeks, ?
[20:08] <Guest91160> ovrflw0x, just try to right click on sound icon in tray and there choose sound settings
[20:09] <ovrflw0x> Guest91160, i did all that no dice
[20:09] <OerHeks> ovrflw0x, that might polish your flat sound
[20:09] <ovrflw0x> i don't want polish i want real loud sound OerHeks
[20:10] <Guest91160> ovrflw0x, maybe your speaker need some propietary codec (that available only on windows) ?
[20:10] <LordDragon> ok. its dragonham here
[20:10] <LordDragon> back on the znc
[20:10] <LordDragon> thanks again bekks and everyone else
[20:11] <ovrflw0x> Guest91160, wat do you mean? it is beatsaudio
[20:12] <ovrflw0x> Guest91160, wat to do?
[20:12] <Guest91160> ovrflw0x, on my Hp laptop with "crystal sound" or something like this in linux sound is not so loud as in windows, because no sound codec available for this "crystal sound" on linux, because it is propietary and only for windows
[20:13] <Guest91160> maybe with beats audio same situation
[20:14] <othmane> easytag works great !
[20:15] <wish^> Anyone here used KDE Neon?
[20:17] <OerHeks> i thought beats audio was recognised by now, you need hda-jack-retask from alsa-tools see http://askubuntu.com/a/802247 and after reading this recent 16.04 post,, read whole article :-)
[20:17] <OerHeks> ovrflw0x ^^
[20:17] <dax> wish^: yep. #kde-neon is probably a better place for discussing it, though
[20:17] <dax> wish^: since it's not an official ubuntu/kubuntu flavor
[20:20] <Guest91160> dax, not an official ubuntu flavor?
[20:21] <OerHeks> Kubuntu is, but Neon not (yet)
[20:21] <dax> ^
[20:22] <dax> ubottu: flavor
[20:22] <wish^> Is kubuntu with an earlier version of kde?
[20:22] <OerHeks> plasma is current.
[20:23] <dax> wish^: kubuntu is a version or two behind because the new version of Qt affects a lot of other software in the Ubuntu repositories
[20:23] <Guest91160> dax, sorry, dont understand your words, now roger that)
[20:23] <dax> so all of the planning for that has been... fun
[20:23] <bekks> wish^: kubuntu is ubuntu shipping with KDE instead of Unity.
[20:23] <brianw> Can anyone help me with authenticating to AD on 16.04 Server? I followed this; https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html . I am able to su to an AD user only from the root user. I get su: System error otherwise. I also cannot SSH to the Ubuntu server using an AD user, stating pam preauth stopped it.
[20:24] <dax> Guest91160: considering that i was talking to someone else, that's probably not a huge issue :)
[20:31] <zteam> Hi all!
[20:32] <othmane> guys how can I know what my kids do in their phones using backbox distro ?
[20:32] <bekks> !backbox | othmane
[20:33] <othmane> okey what about with ubuntu 16.04 ? is there any possiblity ?
[20:33] <BlogCore07vm> Good evening all , could i distract you all 1 moment from all your glorious conquests for a (probably) pretty easy to solve issue , im having a tiny issue with my mysql db's. I tried purging , reinstalling , re-running mysql_secure_installation , manually setting a new root password , but every single time it just will not allow me to login :(
[20:34] <bekks> othmane: you are running Backbox, not Ubuntu.
[20:34] <othmane> bekks yes i know if backbox not supported i will install ubuntu 16.04 but before that are you sure there is a possiblity ?
[20:35] <bekks> othmane: Thats a question not relevant to Ubuntu, but relevant to the OS running on their phones.
[20:35] <othmane> Android
[20:36] <bekks> othmane: So ask an Android channel.
[20:36] <othmane> i will thank you
[20:36] <YankDownUnder> BlogCore07vm: Have you tried using a blank password or your normal user password? BTW, you can also ask in #mysql
[20:37] <BlogCore07vm> oh thanks for the heads up ! :) , yes i tried blank pass,  even tried a normal simple 3 letter pw (old skool hackers 1995 , "god") XD
[20:37] <BlogCore07vm> i think it has to do with : [Warning] 'user' entry 'root@localhost' has both a password and an authentication plugin specified. The password will be ignored.
[20:37] <BlogCore07vm> think my phpmyadmin installation went a bit bizarro
[20:38] <YankDownUnder> BlogCore07vm: As well as asking in #mysql, you can also check in #ubuntu-server => probably more in-tune to the topic of the question
[20:38] <BlogCore07vm> probably yeh :)
[20:39] <BlogCore07vm> ill go hop over there
[20:39] <BlogCore07vm> thank you kindly for you time !
[20:39] <YankDownUnder> BlogCore07vm: Peace and coffee
[20:39] <BlogCore07vm> :))
[20:42] <paracusia> hello again friends, im getting alot of this per second in dmesg: https://nopaste.me/view/741d8c07 - on google the last entry is from 2010... im not trying to compile brand new 4.7.1 vanilla kernel
[20:42]  * paracusia is crossing fingers and hoping the best
[20:44] <zteam> Is US english still used for the password prompt on Ubuntu 16.04 if you do use fulldisk encryption or has this changed in recent versions?
[20:46] <OerHeks> paracusia, what processes are doing this, zombie perhaps? top  can show this
[20:47] <Nic0lauss> test
[20:47] <paracusia> i cant see anything unusual, OerHeks
[20:48] <paracusia> its brand new hardware and fresh 16.04 install, it happend right from the first  boot
[20:50] <OerHeks> what cpu is this? maybe intel-microcode or amd-microcode in the driver section is a proper update .. i don't see the cause of this, except that swapper part > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464483/why-do-we-need-a-swapper-task-in-linux
[20:56] <Furai> !flavours
[20:56] <Furai> !Ubuntu-GNOME
[20:57] <Furai> Uh, Slack? No IRC?
[20:57] <Furai> I guess I could set up gateway...
[20:57] <Furai> If they don't add me as guest.
[20:57] <Bobik12> good
[20:59] <k1l> Furai: #ubuntu-gnome ?
[21:09] <Furai> k1l, not they don't mention it on their official page.
[21:10] <Furai> Ok, found it on some sub wiki page.
[21:12] <stongo> is there a way to change the location of where the deb files are saved when building kernel with `make deb-pkg`? I'd prefer they didn't get saved in ../
[21:14] <bekks> stongo: you could edit the Makefile.
[21:15] <stongo> bekks: yeah that's true. I looked through all the docs and it doesn't seem like there's any environment variable to control that by default
[21:28] <odroid> hi
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Months ago I installed Ubuntu 16.04 in VMs
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> I noticed there is a 16.04.1 in the site
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> do I need to reinstall? Or will the "software updater" update automatically?
[21:33] <dax> automatically
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[21:33] <dax> np
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[21:33] <k1l> just run the updates
[21:33] <OerHeks> cat /etc/issue # this will tell what you have now3
[21:34] <OerHeks> or  hostnamectl status
[21:38] <odroid> muss man das wissen
[21:39] <traxx> hi guys i need libmyodbc on my ubuntu installation
[21:39] <traxx> sadly it seems to be removed because its not compatible the new mysql version ?!?
[21:39] <traxx> any possible work arounds ?
[21:40] <Seveas> traxx: why do you need it?
[21:40] <traxx> for asterisk realtime odbc connection
[21:40] <traxx> or is there another solution ?
[21:41] <Seveas> there's an asterisk-mysql package. Might do the trick. Never used asterisk myself, but using odbc to talk to mysql from a linux system sounds quite weird when the native library works just fine.
[21:42] <traxx> there was a native one but then the way to go should be odbc but sadly the documentation is really outdatet and i dont know if the native implemantion is useable again
[21:43] <Seveas> given that asterisk-mysql exists in the repos and an odbc version does not, I think it's time to try that one out :)
[21:44] <traxx> okay will try ;) thx
[21:54] <pavel796> ;s
[21:54] <traxx> seems sadly not the way to go :(
[21:55] <pavel796> ADMIN
[21:56] <dax> pavel796: what
[21:59] <gamester> The properties of a folder shows the total size of contents and number of items. However, if I go into the folder and select all the items in it and look at the properties for that selection instead, the number of items and total size is now higher. Why is that?
[22:02] <gamester> That's for some random, complex folders I have. Creating a simple demo however reveals the opposite, the size becomes smaller (makes sense) and the total items stay the same (makes sense).
[22:02] <gamester> So I don't know what's causing this
[22:03] <Ben64> gamester: impossible to tell from the information you provided. what does "du -hd0 folder" say
[22:04] <gamester> Ben64: It gives an even larger size than both the other ways.
[22:05] <OerHeks> gamester, the 'item .' and 'item ..' count too
[22:05] <gamester> it just tells me the size
[22:05] <Ben64> well "du" is correct
[22:06] <gamester> OerHeks: you mean I should call it for the sub contents and add up?
[22:06] <OerHeks> oh size, megabit or megabyte ... are there hidden items ?
[22:06] <gamester> Well whatever Nautilus is doing is extremely unintuitive and there has to be some reason, incompetence not excluded.
[22:06] <OerHeks> ctrl +h
[22:06] <gamester> there are, I'm including them when selecting all the contents and looking at size
[22:07] <gamester> cause they are in the folder
[22:07] <OerHeks> some ln to huge files?
[22:07] <Ben64> could be a bunch of things, impossible to tell
[22:07] <gamester> ok so now I see: clicking on folder properties and looking at size and number of items SKIPS the hidden files. WOW
[22:08] <OerHeks> tweak your nautilus config, foldertree, hidden etc
[22:08] <gamester> btw I'm using folder because that appears to be the GUI term, but dir is more used on Linux, no?
[22:09] <gamester> the 'folder' word I meant to say
[22:09] <amazoniantoad> What is the eta on making the software center not slow? It still takes a long time for .debs to load
[22:10] <lordcirth> gamester, directories is the original term, Windows called it "folders" when they made a GUI file manager, iirc.
[22:10] <_adb> gamester: "directory" is what i always say,  but the two are essentially synonymous
[22:10] <OerHeks> folder>folding, a gui term indeed
[22:10] <k1l> amazoniantoad: file a bug and see what the developers say about that
[22:11] <dax> the folder metaphor is ridiculously older than Windows
[22:11] <OerHeks> amazoniantoad, depends on your location/mirror i guess
[22:11] <dax> dates back to Xerox PARC i think
[22:11] <OerHeks> dax right, my 1st email was on a mac.
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> k1l: Already a bug filed
[22:16] <glisignoli> Hello, I'm trying to run apt-get update through a reverse proxy (eg: apt.localdomain/ubuntu -> archive.ubuntu.com), but whenever I do the files that it downloads (Packages.xz) always end up in the /var/lib/apt/lists/partial directory, even though the md5 sum of the file is correct.
[22:34] <Hoshi> Was there any update for amdgpu drive?
[22:36] <OerHeks> on the amd site, but carefull with that beta driver
[22:37] <V7> Hey
[22:37] <k1l> since the main part is in the kernel, a new kernel will bring updates
[22:37] <V7> Why Opera uses 1.2GB ram ?
[22:37] <V7> Am I right ?
[22:37] <k1l> V7: browsers use ram. and ram is there to be used.
[22:37] <Hoshi> k1l thanks
[22:37] <V7> I'm looking at @"Virtual Memory"
[22:38] <V7> k1l: No tabs opened
[22:38] <k1l> V7: virtual memory is just preloaded stuff. its not actually used (like blocked from that program)
[22:39] <V7> How to see actually used ?
[22:39] <k1l> V7: where did you see "virtual memory"=
[22:39] <k1l> ?
[22:39] <V7> k1l: So ... opera doesn't use 1.2 GB ... and she can use *ONLY* ... 1.2 GB ?
[22:39] <V7> k1l: System Monitor
[22:40] <V7> she -> it *
[22:40] <k1l> V7: no. its loading 1,2Gb in ram. to preload stuff for faster browsing and working. but if there is not 1,2GB free it will work with less than that
[22:41] <Era> Excuse me, I installed xubuntu on a new laptop today but the wifi drops a lot
[22:41] <Era> I know what the problem usually is, I have fixed it by installing a new driver before
[22:42] <Era> It worked but then it drops
[22:42] <Era> after 20 mins or so
[22:42] <gleblinkin> Hi
[22:42] <Era> hi
[22:42] <V7> hi
[22:43] <gleblinkin> What are you doing here?
[22:43] <Era> need wifi help
[22:43] <gleblinkin> go on
[22:43] <V7> k1l: Something uses a lot of ram
[22:43] <szb> Era, have you installed all the updates, meaning, are you on 16.04.1?
[22:43] <V7> idk what
[22:43] <Era> Basically, realtek wifi cards have shit compatibility with Linux drivers out of the box
[22:43] <Era> Yes
[22:43] <Era> I am
[22:43] <k1l> V7: where is the issue?
[22:44] <V7> 2 ram just used after booting
[22:44] <V7> 2GB*
[22:44] <Era> I installed the new driver that I install always on that card
[22:44] <gleblinkin> What is the chip in your card?
[22:44] <Era> It worked for a few mins on the same configuration as my other machine
[22:44] <k1l> V7: where is the issue? ram not beeing used is waisted money. so programs and ubuntu tries to use as much ram as possible to preload stuff to make things work faster.
[22:44] <Era> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[22:45] <Era> It drops after 20 mins tho
[22:45] <Era> just refuses to work
[22:45] <k1l> V7: having 6Gb from 8GB not beeing used brings you what?
[22:45] <Era> says
[22:45] <V7> I know ... but I need to minimaze it uses ...
[22:45] <stochastix> whats the difference in touch support between ubuntu 16.01 and ubuntu touch?  It seems they both have touch support?
[22:45] <Era> "Device not ready"
[22:45] <V7> I have 8 GB
[22:45] <V7> On notebook ...
[22:45] <Ben64> V7: so whats the actual problem then
[22:45] <k1l> stochastix: ubuntu touch is the tablet and smartphone setup.
[22:45] <V7> So ... this *stuff* with these RAMS ... uses a lot of battery time
[22:45] <k1l> V7: wrong
[22:45] <Ben64> V7: no, that's not how that works
[22:46] <V7> ?
[22:46] <gleblinkin> I had the same issue with realtek
[22:46] <k1l> V7: ram uses the same ammount of batter no matter how much is used.
[22:46] <gleblinkin> it is just a shitty support of linux
[22:46] <V7> ...
[22:46] <Era> See
[22:46] <Era> the thing is
[22:46] <Era> the same thing that works on my old machine
[22:47] <Era> that has full 16.04.1 updates
[22:47] <stochastix> k1l: Noah on LAS installed 16.01 on a tablet, and it seemed to have really good touch support almost like it was setup for a tablet. Is it still different than ubuntu touch even?
[22:47] <Era> doesnt work on the new machine
[22:47] <Era> with the same card, the same updates
[22:47] <k1l> stochastix: touch support is seperated in hardware support (which is put into kernel and drivers). and then there are the desktops and programs beeing able to be used by touch. which still lacks  a lot in the desktop area
[22:48] <k1l> stochastix: yes. ubuntu touch uses unity8 and MIR as standard. instead of unity7 and xorg on the desktop
[22:48] <szb> Era, can you try the command "rfkill unblock all" like a user with a similar problem suggested here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/462225/wifi-device-not-ready-but-it-isnt-hard-nor-soft-blocked
[22:48] <V7> But ... I saw that situation when on it (note) was used 6-7 GB it's battery have been used much Faster
[22:49] <stochastix> k1l:  is 16. a better touch experience at this time than ubuntu touch would you say? He seemed to have that opinion.
[22:49] <k1l> V7: that has nothing to do with the ram used.
[22:49] <Era> szb, the guy had a switch problem
[22:49] <Era> he literally turned off his wifi
[22:49] <Era> hardware wise
[22:50] <Era> Ill try next time it happens
[22:50] <V7> So ... used RAM doesn't affect the battery ?
[22:50] <szb> Era, I know, but rfkill should enable wifi if it's disabled software-wise as well. Just a thought and a suggestion. :)
[22:50] <Era> currently Im on my old machine, new one just booted so net works for now
[22:50] <k1l> stochastix: you still got the wrong idea of ubuntu touch. in near future ubuntu touch will get merged with the ubuntu desktop. then you will have the "convergence". but now ubuntu-touch is working only on tablets and smartphones.
[22:50] <k1l> V7: it uses the same battery no matter how much of ram i used.
[22:51] <k1l> V7: it matter a lot more how much the cpu is used.
[22:51] <dax> V7: RAM in general doesn't affect the battery notably. CPU/wifi/screen tend to be more relevant for that
[22:51] <stochastix> k1l: I see, thanks.
[22:51] <V7> dax: k1l and Ben64 thx
[22:52] <V7> I thought ... actually ... different :D
[22:52] <V7> differently *
[22:52] <V7> '80
[22:53] <Era> On another note I have another problem as well
[22:53] <Era> when the wifi does work on the laptop
[22:54] <Era> I ping google to test it, works fine, but whenever I try to visit any webpage, it has packet loss hell
[22:54] <poopBot> how to simple random list
[22:54] <Era> Doesnt happen on my old machine either so I assume its not my router
[22:54] <V7> Era: any page ?
[22:54] <Era> Any page
[22:54] <poopBot> prefebly whitout using System;
[22:54] <V7> Era ... speed test works ?
[22:55] <V7> Could you download file ?
[22:55] <Era> Nothing does
[22:55] <Era> not even google loads
[22:55] <Era> I can ping it fine if Im not doing anything on the internet
[22:55] <Era> but otherwise not at all
[22:55] <Era> I also get extremely shit speeds when it does work
[22:56] <Era> Speeds that I dont get on my old machine
[22:56] <V7> 40MB/s ?
[22:56] <Era> My router speed is 120kBps
[22:56] <Era> I get around 5kBps on the new laptop
[22:56] <V7> o.o
[22:56] <Era> full 120kBps on the old one
[22:56] <V7> 120 kBps ?!
[22:56] <Era> drivers are the same
[22:56] <Era> updates are the same
[22:56] <Era> what's the problem
[22:57] <V7> One hundred twenty kBps ?!?!?
[22:57] <Era> Yes, what about it?
[22:57] <Era> It isnt such a big deal, this is the usual for India
[22:57] <V7> This is so fast ... as shit ... I can't imagine that speed
[22:57] <V7> ooh
[22:57] <V7> sry
[22:58] <V7> Well
[22:58] <Era> I just want fucking net to work on this machine
[22:58] <V7> xubuntu ?
[22:58] <Era> xubuntu yes
[22:58] <Ben64> chill with the language in here Era
[22:58] <Era> Sorry
[22:58] <Era> Im frustrated
[22:58] <Ben64> easy way to get it working is to buy a cheap usb wireless
[22:58] <Ben64> one that is supported
[22:59] <Era> I only have 2 ports, I cant lock one up for just a dongle
[22:59] <Era> if I wanted to do that I could just as well use one of my phones as a wifi bx
[22:59] <Era> box*
[23:00] <Era> I guess Ill try other things than crying about it here
[23:00] <V7> Era: check this out ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/55597/cant-browse-the-internet-nor-ping-a-host-but-dig-works
[23:00] <V7> Maybe this ?
[23:00] <swarfega_> era you could get a urb hub
[23:00] <swarfega_> usb*
[23:00] <Era> Dont have the money just yet
[23:00] <swarfega_> theyre cheap
[23:01] <Era> Ill look into it but
[23:01] <Era> I bought a laptop for a reason
[23:01] <swarfega_> laptops never have enough ports
[23:01] <Era> Yea
[23:01] <V7> Watch Mr. Robots movies, huh >:D ?
[23:01] <Era> I had use for 2
[23:01] <swarfega_> i even bought a hub for my desktop
[23:01] <n-iCe> guys, any ida why changed the connections names? like wlan1 wlan0?
[23:01] <V7> swarfega_: ThinkPad does :
[23:01] <V7> Era: http://askubuntu.com/questions/55597/cant-browse-the-internet-nor-ping-a-host-but-dig-works
[23:02] <swarfega_> v7 how many
[23:02] <n-iCe> now I have one called, wlx00c0ca61c30e
[23:02] <n-iCe> wtf
[23:02] <V7> n-iCe: You can rename it
[23:02] <Era> Oh I forgot
[23:02] <Era> I had to change DNS
[23:02] <n-iCe> V7: how?
[23:02] <Era> Would DNS changing fix my problem
[23:02] <n-iCe> V7: and make it default?
[23:02] <Era> I usually switch to google DNS but this time I forgot
[23:02] <k1l> n-iCe: its called predictable names and is a kernel standard since some time and ubuntu started to use that too
[23:03] <n-iCe> k1l: used to be easy, wlan1 wlan0, that's what I am asking, what happened
[23:03] <k1l> n-iCe: some mainboards were changing the numbering randomwise.
[23:03] <Era> On another note, the brightness on this thing, if I manually try to change it, sometimes it just turns screen off
[23:03] <Era> and doesnt turn it back on
[23:03] <Era> Forcing me to reboot it
[23:04] <n-iCe> k1l: how can I rename them for ever
[23:04] <V7> swarfega_: 7-8
[23:05] <V7> With docking station :D
[23:05] <k1l> n-iCe: there was a kernel boot line
[23:05] <swarfega_> wow thats nice
[23:05] <swarfega_> even desktops dont get that much
[23:05] <Cryptic-Infidel> msg NickServ Identify Novosibirsk1!
[23:05] <k1l> n-iCe: net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
[23:05] <V7> swarfega_: http://ecoshop.biz/pics/2105/Dock-X200-large.jpg
[23:05] <Ben64> Cryptic-Infidel: time to change your password
[23:05] <Era> for all my crying changing the DNS may have solved the issue...
[23:05] <Era> Sorry for all the trouble I've given you
[23:05] <swarfega_> :D
[23:06] <V7> Plus laptops
[23:06] <Era> Getting a constant ping, almost no packet loss, google works fine
[23:06] <normanfal> nice
[23:06] <Era> Thanks all
[23:06] <V7> Era always welcome ;)
[23:07] <normanfal> but did you know that if you type lsb_release -a into your terminal and it says "Ubuntu" anywhere then your computer has a virus and you must reinstall windows?
[23:07] <normanfal> ubuntu is a very dangerous virus
[23:08] <n-iCe> k1l: and where is that :D
[23:08] <V7> n-iCe: http://ask.xmodulo.com/change-network-interface-names-permanently-linux.html
[23:09] <k1l> !nomodeset | n-iCe like its described for nomodeset here
[23:09] <V7> normanfal: wtf are you talking about ?
[23:09] <V7> joker
[23:09] <normanfal> no i am not kidding
[23:09] <V7> prove
[23:09] <normanfal> get arch if you want to use linux
[23:09] <k1l> V7: dont mind the trolls. they just want
[23:09] <k1l> V7: dont mind the trolls. they just want attention. dont give them that
[23:10] <V7> k1l: You're right
[23:10] <n-iCe> thanks V7
[23:11] <V7> n-iCe: Worked ?
[23:11] <V7> n-iCe: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91085/udev-renaming-my-network-interface
[23:12] <n-iCe> well, I don't have any thing in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, do you?
[23:12] <V7> Create one
[23:12] <V7> Also ... the last one
[23:12] <V7> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/
[23:13] <n-iCe> V7: that's for ethernet, not wifi
[23:14] <Ben64> n-iCe: doesn't matter
[23:15] <n-iCe> actually I think it does
[23:15] <n-iCe> since I dont have that file I don't know waht to add
[23:15] <V7> n-iCe: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180057
[23:15] <Ben64> you make the file and put what it says on that page in it
[23:15] <k1l> n-iCe: did you change the kernel line and rebooted?
[23:17] <Ben64> oh yeah, that kernel line above solves the issue as well, so pick your favorite of the three, and do that
[23:18] <k1l> n-iCe: have a read if you dont trust us: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[23:24] <_adb> printing.... does lpd use ppd files at all? i can't get it to print double-sided documents, and haven't found where the printer capabilities would be
[23:31] <dhrosa> hi, whenever I enable sticky keys in the accessibility menu in both GNOME and MATE, the option turns itself off after a few keystrokes. does anyone know why this might be happening?
[23:31] <dhrosa> the "sticky keys" option isn't sticky :)
[23:32] <dhrosa> this is on separate machines, one running Mate and the other running gnome2
[23:34] <fione> hello
[23:37] <rklopfer_> anyone have an idea why openconnect isn
[23:37] <rklopfer_> 't showing up in network manager after i installed the plugin package?
[23:38] <rklopfer_> the internet tells me to reboot...
[23:38] <rklopfer_> okay!
[23:40] <rklopfer_> no dice.
[23:45] <transhuman> HI I have an nvidia GEFoRCE 610 graphics card trying to get digits and cuda working . I have to first install the nvidia proprietary drivers
[23:46] <transhuman> unfortunately even though the additional drivers show a list. None will install and I only find the .run files on nvidia's site which wont install either
[23:46] <rklopfer_> solution: install the -gnome version of the plugin. `sudo service network-manager restart` NOT `sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager`
[23:47] <transhuman> do to a complex problem with run levels from command shell
[23:49] <rklopfer_> bummer. if you can't install the drivers there's not much you can do
[23:49] <transhuman> is there an alternate deb file I can download from nvidia for the geforce 610? I can only find the .run files
[23:50] <transhuman> or from the ubuntu repositories if I new what to search for
[23:51] <transhuman> not the neueve drivers either there no good
[23:51] <transhuman> wont work with cuda
[23:51] <ipodshuffle4g> Hi I'm looking for an option to sync my iPod 4g  with voiceover enabled. Rhythmbox is great but doesn't support voiceover.
[23:51] <ipodshuffle4g> Is there any GUI program I can use to sync music to ipod shuffle 4g with voiceover
[23:52] <ipodshuffle4g> any help appreciated :)
[23:52] <ipodshuffle4g> https://nims11.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/ipod-shuffle-4g-under-linux/ I've tried using that but the songs wont' play
[23:52] <ipodshuffle4g> I would prefer a GUI too
[23:53] <ipodshuffle4g> any ideas?
[23:54] <Hydr0p0nX> running kvm + libvirt w/ a win7 guest (iscsi storage, passthrough pcie graphics), everything's great until I shutdown the guest, then I lose connection to the gui based virt-manager until I reboot and reboot seems to hang as does stopping libvirtd-guest, ubuntu 16.04.1; anyone have any ideas by chance?
[23:55] <ipodshuffle4g> anyone? :D
[23:56] <transhuman> I found a solution! http://paste.debian.net/789969/
[23:58] <rklopfer_> transhuman, nice! i've only installed drivers + cuda using the .run files on centos
[23:58] <rklopfer_> i'm surprised that nvidia doesn't have their own repo or something
[23:59] <ipodshuffle4g> :(