[04:03] <Unit193> pleia2: There's also ~/.local/bin/
[06:43] <flocculant> no images again Dave :)
[08:54] <Unit193> [04:37:30] queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: accepted xserver-xorg-video-intel [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:2.99.917+git20160325-1ubuntu1.1]
[08:56] <ochosi> \o/
[08:56] <ochosi> just saw the email
[08:56] <ochosi> (from the lp bug)
[09:02] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.20.0
[09:56] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-artwork had 20 updates, showing the latest 3
[11:09] <flocculant> ochosi: wonder how many people affected will comment the verification tag :p
[12:12] <astraljava> ochosi: flocculant: Are you referring to the intel driver bug? I just noticed it as well, will have to enable -proposed for that.
[12:35] <pleia2> if we only get one nomination, do we get an XPL again? :D
[13:04] <akxwi-dave> dave nominates Pleia2
[13:04] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[13:05] <pleia2> I need to sleep sometimes probably /o\
[13:06] <akxwi-dave> You can do that on the flight to Philly  :-)
[13:06] <pleia2> lol
[13:06] <akxwi-dave> only been their twice.. god how big is that airport
[13:06] <akxwi-dave> there*
[13:08] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-artwork had 4 updates, showing the latest 3
[13:27] <pleia2> knome: we got a pair of really nice #LoveXubuntu submissions :)
[13:37] <pleia2> knome: there's still that one in the queue, what are we doing with it?
[14:06] <flocculant> pleia2: if we only get 1 nomination then I guess you all go to wing and a prayer :)
[14:19] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - can we possibly social media the intel test please :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2016-August/009560.html
[14:19] <pleia2> sure
[14:21] <pleia2> flocculant: oh, should this fix the missing cursor thing for everyone?
[14:22] <flocculant> pleia2: for xenial evryone's yea :)
[14:23] <pleia2> \o/
[14:23] <flocculant> if anyone else has a problem *shrug*
[14:23] <pleia2> ok, people on the social media will be excited, so I'll have to craft this carefully
[14:23] <flocculant> pleia2: yea for sure it's \o/
[14:24] <flocculant> pleia2: I guess 'we need to test AND comment at bug # or it won't be released - no stories at bug please' :p
[14:24]  * pleia2 nods
[14:24] <flocculant> one of the times it would have been really helpful if ubuntu was affected ;)
[14:26] <pleia2> ok, posted on twitter, fb and g+
[14:26] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: I believe the intel thing affects you - you might want to check out -proposed
[14:26] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks <3
[14:35] <pleia2> my cursor survived suspend \o/
[14:36] <flocculant> \o/
[14:36]  * flocculant checks the bug ...
[14:36] <flocculant> lol
[14:38] <pleia2> my comment is there :)
[14:53] <flocculant> thanks pleia2 :)
[15:00] <flocculant> knome: at https://launchpad.net/~knome is display name your name or is name your name? 
[15:00] <flocculant> launchpad succeeds in confusing the old man :p
[15:00] <flocculant> or pleia2 ^^ :)
[15:08] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi: what's going on with bug 1598316 then?
[15:09] <flocculant> some update lands and screws things up - how does that get allowed? 
[15:09] <flocculant> what can we do now? 
[15:09] <flocculant> pretty sure I've had this discussion lol 
[15:24]  * flocculant commented at bug
[16:22] <flocculant> got a reply - which I replied to - perhaps a comment from ochosi or bluesabre there
[16:37] <ochosi> flocculant: i'll reply to jeremy (again) and state that the bug is not fixed anywhere
[16:37] <ochosi> i think it was an oversight that it landed
[16:37] <ochosi> and the most likely way this is going to get fixed is if someone bisects murrine and finds the offending commit
[16:38] <ochosi> as it is fairly unmaintained, there shouldn't be too many updates and it shouldn't be too hard
[16:40] <flocculant> ochosi: kind of got some response - apparently it was an SRU *shrug*
[16:40] <flocculant> which I obviously knew nothing about 
[16:41] <flocculant> seems xubuntu-bugs doesn't get those murrine bugs
[16:41] <flocculant> maybe worth dealing with perhaps
[16:43] <flocculant> ochosi: also - I know you've been replying there - I'd not blocked *that* bug, just the intel one :D
[16:44] <flocculant> was getting messages faster than I could read lol
[17:15] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - left -release and murrine to you to argue technically]
[18:01] <knome> flocculant, "Pasi Lallinaho" is my display name
[18:02] <knome> flocculant, if you go to your own page and press "Change details" it's very obvious :)
[18:14] <flocculant> knome: well that's where I went :)
[18:15] <ochosi> hmm, nice, the regression potential for the murrine patch was noticed quite early on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine/+bug/1294699/comments/19
[18:15] <ochosi> just went on to be ignored
[18:15] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm
[18:16] <flocculant> which perhaps adds weight to us ading that package as one of ours
[18:17] <ochosi> hm, well it certainly affects us quite a lot (as long as xfce is all gtk2)
[18:17] <knome> s/all/partly/
[18:17] <ochosi> but the question in this particular case is what is more important, visual noise or the crash/es that was fixed
[18:17] <flocculant> ochosi: well
[18:18] <ochosi> and anyway, the best avenue would be to fix the fix
[18:18] <flocculant> of course
[18:18] <flocculant> but the QA issue being we didn't know about SRU
[18:19] <flocculant> well - originally :)
[18:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure what time you'll be about - iso's not building due to issue with some apt python package, there was talk in -release a few hours ago - perhaps you could check that out
[18:39] <flocculant> seems the same issue is kicking out printer unless you install packagekit - at least I appeared to need to add that to get printer(s)
[21:09] <Unit193> I should likely clarify, I accepted under the presumption I wouldn't be the only one on the council. :P
[21:11] <ochosi> :D
[21:11] <ochosi> what about all the 192 other units?
[21:11] <Unit193> Not enough room in the council.
[21:22] <knome> :)
[21:22] <Unit193> Erm, anyone else hit exo?
[21:22] <knome> happy to see Unit193 being nominated
[21:22] <Unit193> knome: Because you're silly.
[21:23]  * knome dances the silly dance
[21:23] <knome> nah, even if we don't consider the fact we're silly :P
[21:24] <knome> we didn't mention in the XSD whether the candidates need to list any information and future plans
[21:24] <knome> but maybe that's not exactly needed now as the potential candidate group is people who are active anyway
[21:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Heeey, so upgrading exo kind of screws the env.
[21:26] <ochosi> Unit193: rly? what happens?
[21:26] <ochosi> i built and installed it locally, all seemed well
[21:26] <Unit193> ochosi: Check the output of `env`, $HOME is unset in new terminals.
[21:27] <ochosi> oh fun
[21:27] <Unit193> (Note, didn't restart because shouldn't have to. :P )
[21:27] <ochosi> well i'm not sure how that would happen
[21:27] <ochosi> but then again i dont have the exo changelog in my head
[21:27] <ochosi> so i'll leave it to bluesabre, conveniently
[21:28] <Unit193> I pulled the one from xfce4-gtk3.
[21:28] <ochosi> it wasn#t there yet when i tested it
[21:28] <ochosi> i think i'm still using it
[21:28] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep exo
[21:29] <ochosi> 0.11.0
[21:29] <Unit193> (As in, all packages are there, -helpers, etc.)
[21:34] <ochosi> Unit193: 0.11.0-0ubuntu1 for all packages
[21:35] <Unit193> ochosi: 1. Did you reboot?  2. `env` looks good?
[21:35] <ochosi> i guess i did meanwhile...
[21:36] <ochosi> but i don't remember what i did when i built it
[21:36] <ochosi> env looks good to me
[21:36] <Unit193> Time to poke a VM.
[21:36] <ochosi> anything in particular (apart from HOME) that i should be looking at?
[21:37] <Unit193> As long as it's about ~70 lines rather than about ~13, you're good. :P
[21:37]  * ochosi starts counting the lines...
[21:46] <bluesabre> my env is fine
[21:46] <knome> o hai bluesabre 
[21:46] <bluesabre> I'd imagine xfce4-session would be a more likely culprit
[21:46] <bluesabre> hi knome
[21:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Downgrading fixed it.
[21:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: well, that makes it look like the bad guy :D
[21:47] <bluesabre> I wonder what the trigger is
[21:47] <ochosi> ah right
[21:47] <ochosi> i think i had heard of that before
[21:47] <Unit193> Still might help to restart the session, but downgrading is nicer right now.  Trying it in VM of ocurse.
[21:48] <bluesabre> ah
[21:48] <bluesabre> I have exo-0.10.7 installed for -1
[21:48] <bluesabre> and 0.11.0 for -2
[21:48] <ochosi> hah
[21:48] <ochosi> fun
[21:48] <bluesabre> :D
[21:48] <ochosi> i have 0.11.0 for everything ;)
[21:48] <ochosi> and things are still fine
[21:49] <bluesabre> I'll poke around and see if I find anything
[21:56] <Unit193> VM did the same thing.
[21:57] <bluesabre> rebooting now
[21:57] <Unit193> Just restarting lightdm. P
[21:58] <Unit193> ...Now rebooting.
[22:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: Does this depend on newer xfconf or something?
[22:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: nope
[22:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: and yep, env is trashed for apps launched from whisker
[22:01] <Unit193> Rebooting the VM fixed nothing.
[22:01] <bluesabre> fine from keyboard-shortcut launched apps
[22:01] <ochosi> indeed
[22:02] <bluesabre> and in indicator applet is dead
[22:02] <ochosi> ouch
[22:02] <ochosi> never noticed, i always use kb shortcuts
[22:02] <bluesabre> so thats fun
[22:02] <bluesabre> I'll try to work on that tonight :)
[22:02] <Unit193> I don't have whisker, used kb to open it...
[22:02] <Unit193> TTY is good. :P
[22:08] <bluesabre> dinner time, bbl
[22:08] <Unit193> Fixitfixitfixitifixit!
[22:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Eat well.
[22:09] <knome> the dinner?
[22:47] <bluesabre> got my env back
[22:48] <bluesabre> indicator and systray applets still dead :(
[23:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: this commit is suspect: https://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=9155cf5703c54f79e3bf76b6f5da2f4475ee7844
[23:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: You broke the PPA, but that's OK because I did too with xfconf. :D
[23:04] <bluesabre> :D
[23:04] <bluesabre> we'll fix it
[23:04] <bluesabre> .really4.12.1
[23:05] <Unit193> Oh gosh.. :P
[23:05] <Unit193> ...I thought about trying to delete the PPA and then re-add everything else back, buuut. :P
[23:06] <bluesabre> :D
[23:06] <bluesabre> D:
[23:06] <Unit193> (Because that's the exact version of xfconf that will work, once the panel or whatever is patched.)
[23:09] <bluesabre> gotcha
[23:09] <bluesabre> almost certain its that commit now
[23:10] <bluesabre> specifically
[23:10] <bluesabre>        /* try to run the command */
[23:10] <Unit193> Well, that'd be easy to test+revert.
[23:10] <bluesabre> -      succeed = gdk_spawn_on_screen (screen, NULL, argv, NULL, G_SPAWN_DO_NOT_REAP_CHILD | G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH, NULL, NULL, &pid, &err);
[23:10] <bluesabre> +      succeed = g_spawn_async (NULL, argv, envp, G_SPAWN_DO_NOT_REAP_CHILD | G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH, NULL, NULL, &pid, &err);
[23:11] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:11] <bluesabre> playing with it now
[23:20] <bluesabre> seemingly the correct way to do it https://osdir.com/ml/commits.gnome/2011-01/msg11044.html