[01:12] Hi [05:48] hello [07:26] hi [07:30] Hello [07:30] hi [07:30] ubuntu mate works on my raspberry pi 3 [07:31] 16.04 :) [07:32] Nice! Can you surf with it? I find it unusuably slow.. [07:32] yes i can [07:32] have you a raspberry pi 3 [07:32] No I have pi 2 [07:33] It's 50 times slower than my i5 [07:33] And pi 3 is only 0.4 times faster than pi 2, so... still unusably slow [07:33] i have put in a samsung evo plus 64gb micro sd is very fast [07:33] I can't login to gmail in under 1 minute [07:33] I can't watch full screen youtube [07:33] The sd card doesn't matter for those... [07:34] you can install kodi or osmc and the rpi3 works fine as player [07:34] It's just unusable as a normal client, and only good for special cases... [07:34] but the pi is micro [07:34] kodi plugins break every second week [07:35] I prefer using the browser [07:36] hmm ubuntu mate is good but my pi is faster then an windows 7 laptop [07:36] its boot in 5sec [07:36] i have overheatsinking [07:36] Boot time doesn't matter at all [07:36] If you can't surf with it [07:36] alkisg [07:37] have you hear from the udoo x86 [07:38] I prefer i3/i5's, they also come in small forms [07:38] http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ [07:38] http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_361276.html [07:38] show this oneplatincomputer it can run all 86 [07:39] is this your computer [07:39] What is its cpubenchmark score? [07:39] waltersraspberry, this udoo thing is not a product yet [07:40] why [07:40] No, I have a normal desktop i3/i5, and I'm only using the pi to remote desktop to it when needed [07:40] waltersraspberry, it's a kickstarter [07:40] what is a kickstarter [07:42] waltersraspberry, an operation to raise money for a project [07:43] it can be that this projekt have not enough money and then is the projekt not possibly [07:44] how many cost the raspberry pi3 by you ouroumov [07:45] waltersraspberry, I don't know and I sure as hell don't care [07:45] waltersraspberry, I have no use for a PI [07:46] okay for me was this a other variant to computer [07:46] *as [07:46] waltersraspberry, like many people I've toyed with the idea of getting one, but seriously I can't justify trading money for one [07:46] I think raspberry PIs are only good for special cases, like print servers or meteo stations [07:47] yes i think it is to expensive ouroumov what do you think about the s7 edge [07:48] it is very expensive [07:49] I have three. Music (runeaudio), roms (retropie) and tv streaming (openelec). [07:49] waltersraspberry, I dig the idea of an x86 single board computer though [07:49] They already exist, for example: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_359435.html [07:49] Three generations [07:50] waltersraspberry, I don't know what that is (s7 edge) [07:50] okay wait ouroumov [07:53] http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ [07:53] ohh sorry [07:53] error link [07:53] here is it http://www.samsung.com/us/explore/galaxy [07:54] waltersraspberry, that's a 404 [07:55] ohh [07:55] i send you a new [07:55] http://www.samsung.com/us/explore/galaxy-s7-features-and-specs/ [07:56] so ist the right [07:57] ouromov what do you think about this phone [08:01] my raspberry pi3 was frezzing [08:02] i think to make a kernel update [08:02] what is the command for a kernel upgrade [08:02] It's a normal upgrade, nothing special [08:02] You just press yes when you get the upgrade prompts [08:03] ohh see [08:04] walter@walter-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade [08:04] [sudo] password for walter: [08:04] Reading package lists... Done [08:04] Building dependency tree [08:04] Reading state information... Done [08:04] Calculating upgrade... Done [08:04] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [08:04] augeas-lenses bridge-utils cgmanager cpu-checker ebtables gir1.2-gtk-vnc-2.0 [08:04] gir1.2-libosinfo-1.0 gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0 gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 [08:04] gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 ipxe-qemu libaio1 libaugeas0 [08:04] libboost-random1.58.0 libboost-thread1.58.0 libcacard0 libcgmanager0 libfdt1 [08:04] libgtk-vnc-2.0-0 libgvnc-1.0-0 libiscsi2 libnetcf1 libnih-dbus1 [08:04] libnl-route-3-200 libosinfo-1.0-0 librados2 librbd1 [08:04] libspice-client-glib-2.0-8 libspice-client-gtk-3.0-4 libusbredirhost1 [08:04] libusbredirparser1 libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvirt0 libxen-4.6 libxenstore3.0 [08:05] python-ipaddr python-libvirt python-libxml2 qemu-block-extra qemu-slof [08:05] qemu-system-arm qemu-system-common qemu-system-mips qemu-system-misc [08:05] qemu-system-ppc qemu-system-sparc qemu-system-x86 qemu-user qemu-user-binfmt [08:05] qemu-utils seabios spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper virtinst [08:05] Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. [08:05] The following packages will be upgraded: [08:05] apparmor libapparmor-perl libapparmor1 [08:05] 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [08:05] Need to get 456 kB of archives. [08:05] After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. [08:05] Do you want to continue? [Y/n] [08:05] walter__: don't paste more than 3 lines here [08:05] Use paste.ubuntu.com or something [08:05] i have use [08:05] used pastebin [08:06] You filled the channel with the output [08:06] walter@walter-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade [08:06] [sudo] password for walter: [08:06] Reading package lists... Done [08:06] Building dependency tree [08:06] Reading state information... Done [08:06] Calculating upgrade... Done [08:06] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [08:06] augeas-lenses bridge-utils cgmanager cpu-checker ebtables gir1.2-gtk-vnc-2.0 [08:06] gir1.2-libosinfo-1.0 gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0 gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 [08:06] gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 ipxe-qemu libaio1 libaugeas0 [08:06] libboost-random1.58.0 libboost-thread1.58.0 libcacard0 libcgmanager0 libfdt1 [08:06] libgtk-vnc-2.0-0 libgvnc-1.0-0 libiscsi2 libnetcf1 libnih-dbus1 [08:07] libnl-route-3-200 libosinfo-1.0-0 librados2 librbd1 [08:07] libspice-client-glib-2.0-8 libspice-client-gtk-3.0-4 libusbredirhost1 [08:07] libusbredirparser1 libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvirt0 libxen-4.6 libxenstore3.0 [08:07] python-ipaddr python-libvirt python-libxml2 qemu-block-extra qemu-slof [08:07] qemu-system-arm qemu-system-common qemu-system-mips qemu-system-misc [08:07] qemu-system-ppc qemu-system-sparc qemu-system-x86 qemu-user qemu-user-binfmt [08:07] qemu-utils seabios spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper virtinst [08:07] Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. [08:07] The following packages will be upgraded: [08:07] apparmor libapparmor-perl libapparmor1 [08:07] 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [08:07] Need to get 456 kB of archives. [08:07] After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. [08:07] Do you want to continue? [Y/n] [08:07] how this work pastebin [08:07] what is syntax highlighting soory for the long text [08:07] walter__: stop it, don't do that again. Put what you want to paste.ubuntu.com. Then only paste here the URL, the address that paste.ubuntu.com replied with. [08:07] Noone will help you if you behave like that [08:07] ahh okay soory [08:08] i dont would this [08:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23063739/ [08:09] here is it [08:11] Much better [08:11] Now, what is your question? [08:11] how upgrade the kernel [08:11] how install all pakets they i need [08:11] You updated and you didn't get a new kernel. That means that you already have the newest kernel. [08:12] have you a website with the i can put photos and paste the url here [08:13] One example is http://picpaste.com/ [08:13] thank you [08:14] http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_at_2016-08-17_10_13_45-bIYgQbi3.png [08:14] And what is your question with that picture? [08:15] the cpu is high [08:15] At 10% you think it is high? No, it isn't [08:16] no they change all secunds [08:16] seconds [08:16] from 10 to 30 [08:16] It's a raspberry pi. Its cpu is much slower than a mobile phone. That's the best it can do. [08:17] That's why I'm saying that it's not appropriate for normal use [08:17] can he destroyed when is the cpu to high [08:17] i will buy cooler than he not be hot [08:18] I don't know its temperature limits, ask in #raspberrypi [08:18] Here is for mate desktop questions [08:18] okay [08:19] why is my nickname not waltersraspberry [08:23] ouromov what do you think about this phone -> I think it's expensive [08:23] erf [08:23] the funny thing about gnome system monitor [08:24] see those curved graphs? [08:24] the spline algorithm they use is ridiculously CPU intensive [08:26] how can i make my own community [08:26] ali1234, is there a better alternative? Maybe you can whishlist it? [08:26] no [08:26] ouroumov: i reported the bug literally about 8 years ago [08:27] what a bug [08:27] there is already better alternative, it's called top [08:27] ali1234, I mean to get curved lines [08:27] ali1234, where's the bug report? [08:28] where know a good easter egg on ubuntu mate [08:29] ali1234: system-monitor is using 1% of my cpu... I wouldn't call that intense [08:29] :) [08:30] °°°°°°° [08:30] here's the main bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/93847 [08:30] Launchpad bug 93847 in Gnome System Monitor "Excessive CPU usage by Gnome System Monitor " [High,Fix released] [08:31] Fix released? [08:32] i found that ubuntu have a bit aperreance mac os x [08:32] mate [08:32] Fix released in 2013 [08:32] maybe. i havent used gnome since about 2012 [08:32] i found that ubuntu have a bit aperreance mac os x [08:32] mat [08:33] on what based ubuntu mate [08:33] it's not really fixed, CPUs just got faster in nearly 10 years, so now it uses only 2% - 3% instead of 10% - 15% [08:34] until you run it on a raspberry pi, then it uses a significant % again [08:34] ali1234: well, a fix was committed and released [08:34] yeah check the fix [08:34] waltersraspberry, please make entire sentences and use punctuation [08:34] you mean me #ali1234 [08:34] has nothing to do with CPU [08:34] A pi uses significant % of cpu even for running ls :) [08:35] Spline algorithms have been running fine since the 8086 era... [08:35] yeah, which is why this one is so bad [08:35] I don't see anyone complaining about it, other than you, who are not using it... [08:35] except for the 10 duplicate bug reports [08:36] and the person commenting that it is still broken in 2016 [08:36] Which were fix-released in 2013 [08:36] but sure ignore the facts [08:36] And saying that the splines are not to blame [08:36] He blames another tab for 5% [08:36] you can clearly see that they are [08:36] all you have to do is run it and top at the same time [08:36] and then switch between the tabs [08:36] I did [08:36] 1% cpu, nothing [08:36] and notice that the one with splines on uses ridiculous amounts of CPU [08:38] helol [08:38] hello i have a problem [08:39] ali1234: on a pi, while watching the processes, I get 40% of one cpu, and while watching the splines, only 30%. So they definately are not to blame. [08:39] here's the upstream bug where they talk about the CPU usage problem of the graphs. notice it isn't fixed. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636343 [08:39] Gnome bug 636343 in resources "Use uber-graph for less CPU usage" [Enhancement,New] [08:40] Can you reproduce what you're saying? I can't. End of story until someone here does reproduce it. [08:41] Request to use other libraries don't prove anything without benchmarks [08:42] https://paste.debian.net/hidden/85ff3349/ -> uses less than 5% on my i5 skylake. I guess it's kind of high. [08:42] From comment 3, "I’m afraid not the graph drawing is consuming CPU, but updating the process list" [08:42] I don't object to system-monitor consuming more cpu than it needs; I object to blaming the splines [08:42] at least, I can't verify it [08:43] did you want until the graph is the width of the window [08:43] see comment 4 [08:43] It was 1300 pixels wide [08:43] yeah and how long was the line? [08:43] I can run "ls" and it will take more cpu [08:43] It's a pi... [08:44] About 100 pixels high per graph [08:44] yeah and how long is the line? [08:44] The spline? Full width [08:44] The process tab needs more cpu than the graph tab [08:45] So if optimization is needed, I don't think the graph tab should be the first thing to look for [08:45] any type of optimization in g-s-m would be welcomed by its users i'm sure [08:45] but after 9 years i'm sure they are no longer holding their breath [08:46] For the 1% cpu it needs in my i5, I certainly don't care if they optimize it more... [08:47] For the 30% it needs in the pi... well, ls needs more, so I just need to throw away my pi :) [08:47] for me it uses 3% CPU on the processes tab and 5% on the resources tab [08:48] Is this on ubuntu-mate 16.04? [08:48] Or the gnome 3 version? [08:48] whwn [08:48] sorry [08:49] it's gnome-system-monitor on ubuntu 16.04 [08:49] Then the gnome-3 version, with compositors etc, so the graphic stack might be to blame there for the bit higher cpu [08:49] when is cold i open my window and my pi will not be hot [08:49] i'm running it in xfce with compositing disabled [08:50] i'm running it on an i7-6700 [08:50] Maybe you have fewer processes then, or worse graphics card, dunno, that's what I'm seeing here [08:50] i have a gtx-780 [08:50] i5-4440 here, mate without compositing [08:50] nouveau or nvidia? [08:50] "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.") [08:50] now that the graphs fill the whole screen it is using 12% CPU [08:51] "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.") [08:51] nvidia [08:52] with fullscreen in the resources tab in 1920, and terminal on lower bottom on top of the monitor window => 2.7 cpu [08:52] 1920x1080 [08:52] change the update frequency to 0.25 seconds [08:53] when i do that it uses 40% CPU [08:53] same with processes tab => 4% [08:53] process tab never goes over 4% for me [08:53] So again the processes tab is two times slower than the resources tab [08:53] yeah for me it's 10x faster [08:54] Maybe nvidia issues [08:54] Different drivers get different results in different UI libraries etc [08:54] E.g. I've seen 100 times faster or slower results on specific x11perf or gtkperf tests, [08:54] not in general due to the graphics card, but to specific bits, due to unoptimized driver [08:55] So maybe the bug you're seeking is in nvidia upstream [08:55] Try comparing gtkperf or x11perf with an intel one [08:55] wait, are you claiming that nvidia can't handle 4 fps? [08:55] that seems like a stretch [08:56] lol [08:56] No, I'm claiming that for example putshmimage may be 10 times faster in intel than in nvidia, [08:56] while, in the same example, the overall score may be higher in nvidia [08:56] There are specific unoptimized functions that are extremely slow in some drivers [08:56] I've seen many bugs and fixes for such issues [08:57] Try x11perf in just 2 pcs with different drivers, you'll see what I'm talking about [08:57] * alkisg spent days on such benchmarks [08:58] here is a long disscusion :) [08:58] it's definitely a problem with the way the display is rendered [08:59] the graphs update when you're on another tab but this does not take loads of CPU [08:59] ;I have a Problem [09:03] i will ask all what is the best way to lern english vocabulary [09:03] waltersraspberry: this channel is for supporting ubuntu mate [09:03] Not for general, offtopic chat [09:04] Try joining this channel for offtopic chat: #ubuntu-offtopic [09:04] yes but this help me [09:04] Yes but you annoy people here if you chat about how you will learn english, so they will ban you [09:04] There are rules to follow [09:04] sorry [09:04] Ask about mate, not whatever comes to your mind [09:05] :) okay [09:05] Or join #ubuntu-offtopic [09:05] People there want to talk to you about how to learn english [09:05] yes that is my problem [09:05] So ask them there [09:05] Type: /join #ubuntu-offtopic [09:05] And ask there [09:06] not works [09:06] Google about how to join irc channels then, you did something wrong [09:07] #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services [09:08] ali1234: I tried in vbox (which has its own drivers), I'm getting 1% gnome-system-monitor, and 30% compiz (this one in stock ubuntu/unity) [09:09] So I can't blame gnome-system-monitor, but surely compiz needs a lot of cpu in llvmpipe environments [09:09] yeah it does [09:09] waltersraspberry, see /ns help to register your nickname [09:11] i have tried [09:13] its not work [09:14] waltersraspberry, ask for assistance on #ubuntu-de [09:14] ...on how to join #ubuntu-offtopic :) [09:14] :) [09:36] flexiondotorg, hi. Do you need me to do something else regarding that memleak issue? I can attempt to reproduce in other distros if necessary if it's needed. [09:52] hello [10:23] "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.") === james_ is now known as Guest23314 [12:01] Hi [12:01] Every Body How are you ? [12:08] bonjour [12:08] je debute sous linux ubuntu et lors de l'installation je n'ai pas de son pilote ALC282 quelqu'un peut m'aider ? [12:08] SVP [12:09] Hi [12:09] i m beginner in ubuntu but i m no sound after install. My sound driver is ALC282. Help Pls [12:11] hi neoack [12:11] hi [12:11] can you help mee lol ? [12:11] neoack, I assume you've went around and checked the sound settings? [12:12] There's a pane in the sound settings window to select output hardware [12:12] i test alsamixer and lspci but my sound map is reconnized but no sound [12:14] output GK104 hDMI Audio controller Digital Stereo but if i change tou internal audio no osund too [12:14] can you provide the output of the following command on pastebin.com? : lshw -C sound [12:16] hi, does anyone here know how to get ubuntu mate recognise homemade joystick? I connected my joystick to the raspberry via SPI and it works, but I need the system to know that it is a joystick and don't know how to achieve that [12:16] this http://pastebin.com/KVy5YJ5X [12:17] raspberry, no idea, maybe ask on our forums? ( https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support/raspberry-pi-2 ) [12:18] I've posted there yesterday, moreover I've posted on raspberry forum too still no answer :( [12:18] so neoack the correct driver is snd_hda_intel [12:18] raspberry, well, maybe you just need to give it some time. :x [12:19] ok ty sorry but how to install are you doc or wiki [12:19] yeah I hope that's the case. It would be sad not to get any response. It's been four days I'm thinking about that problem. Frustrating [12:19] neoack, I mean it's the driver you're currently using, you're not using whatever ALC282 is [12:20] raspberry, why specifically do you need the device to be recognized as a joystick? [12:20] to use it with Mission Planner, when the device is recognized as joystick Mission Planner won't need special code to control the drone [12:23] raspberry, you're running that under wine on a raspberry? [12:25] raspberry I've made my own analog joysticks using MCP3008 [12:25] But the Mission Planner home page says it's Windows software [12:26] yeah but there is APM planner which some guy made based on Mission Planner and it works on ubuntu mate to make it possible on raspberry [12:28] I see someone slapped a "gaming" time on your thread, maybe you could update your post so people better understand what you're trying to do? :/ [12:29] tag * [12:32] ok I've updated [12:50] raspberry, I've changed the topic on your thread a little for better visibility [12:52] ok thanks for that [12:53] I've also removed the "gaming" tag and added "system" instead [12:53] There's no "hardware" tag :/ [12:54] let's hope someone will answer [15:14] Using the "Software Boutique", how do I install a package for ehich I know the name? There does not seem to be a search function [16:37] I get this error /usr/share/themes/Radiant-MATE/gtk-2.0/apps/mate-panel.rc:30: error: invalid string constant "scrollbar", expected valid string constant [16:37] when I try caja smb://somehost [17:17] hello? [17:22] hi [17:22] hello [17:22] :) [17:22] does anyone know where to download ubuntu mate 14.04? [17:22] I have amd card [17:22] brb [17:23] currently ubuntu mate 16.04 [17:26] I have an amd Graphics card, which means in order to install the driver, I would need to use 15 or below... [17:29] no open source driver for you then? [17:30] the issue was fglrx [17:30] I can't get it to work with my card... I have a Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series card [17:31] https://ubuntu-mate.org/trusty/ [17:32] Thankyou soo much!!!! [17:32] when I tried to download 15, I got a 404 error... [17:32] 14 works tho! [17:32] :) [17:33] yw [17:34] thanks for the help! I'm going to go install it :) bye! [17:34] :) [20:43] Hi guys, I want ot install ubuntu-mate 16.10 but ask's for password and username... what is the default username and password? [20:46] Didn't think there was one. [20:46] strange that is asking for one [20:46] It will be whatever you used in the installer [20:47] I want to install it and is asking as default for username and password, I want to install it but have no clue what is the username and password [20:47] Hi! [20:49] does anyone know a way to customize the workspaces I would like 3 in the top row, and 1 in the bottom that I can ctrl+alt+down to get to from any of the others [21:01] Isn't it the installer asking you to create a username and password? [21:02] nope, when I add a certain username or password say's: password incorect... actually first time ask me for a password and username, I cannot see the installer [21:02] Have you checked the preferences for workspaces, right click the switcher? [21:03] I don't believe there is a default password the installer asks to set one on installation AFAIK [21:04] TY for the reply, I will try what is here... https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/live-session-password/7219 [21:07] oh live session, that makes sense === uaa is now known as Guest21198 [23:37] HI