[00:25] <kyrofa> Anyone around less clueless about apache's mod_ssl (and Ubuntu's default config for it) than I am?
[00:48] <patdk-lap> heh? that is hardly a question
[00:48] <patdk-lap> !ask
[01:01] <kulyzu> $ cat -         # what does it mean
[01:03] <sarnold> try it :)
[01:03] <sarnold> (hint, <enter>^D means "end of file" to the terminal, and it'll caus ethe cat command to stop at that point :)
[01:09] <algern-n> cat > :3
[01:12] <patdk-lap> that seems very chatty for a cat
[01:12] <patdk-lap> don't they normally just do their own thing
[06:35] <vern__> hello, do anyone try to install openstack on ppc64el, by following this guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/clouddocs/installer/en/single-install.html) ?
[06:36] <vern__> i am blocked by "$ sudo openstack-install"
[07:27] <golserma__> Hi I try to create an external snapshot using libvirsh and apparmor is complaining. Is this a not supported feature in 14.04?
[07:28] <golserma__> virsh snapshot-create-as domainname snapshot_pre_upgrade_1 --disk-only --atomic
[08:46] <Pjusur> for my servers, should I use the standard ntpdate package that is installed by default, or should I install ntpd? pros cons?
[11:00] <sinamaleki> hi anyone here ?
[11:10] <hateball> !help | sinamaleki
[12:05] <rbasak> rharper: thank you for handling bug 1583819. I can close the tab now :)
[12:20] <Ussat> I remember when upgradeing a 14.04 --> 16.04 there a ethernet change, anyone have a link to that ?
[12:24] <xnox> Ussat, stable names are now used, but that's since wily i think.
[12:25] <maswan> Unfortunately, they're not stable for VMs, we've found
[12:25] <Ussat> Ya this is a VM, but got it, thanks
[12:25] <maswan> (adding a new disk would renumber pci devices, leading to no networking to the guest :( )
[12:26] <maswan> now running with net.ifnames=0
[12:26] <xnox> Ussat, maswan - yes VMs have no stable naming scheme, thus stable names are not evailable there.
[12:26] <xnox> my understanding was that old-school names should be used in VMs.
[12:27] <Ussat> yea, I got it sorted, thanks
[12:27] <xnox> how is one adding the pci devices? are you controlling it, or is done via libvirt of some such? cause one can specify pci bus ids to qemu.
[12:27] <xnox> and they are done in order, so if network devices are specified before disks, it should be stable...
[12:27] <maswan> xnox: ganeti
[12:28] <maswan> now I need to run
[12:34] <Xin> hey all how can I check that a partitions encrypted with LUKs is properly encrypted? :)
[12:37] <ikonia> you can start by not asking the same question in every IRC channel you are in
[12:37] <ikonia> Xin: are you using ubuntu or debian
[13:20] <coreycb> beisner, good morning, neutron and neutron-*aas 2:7.1.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0 are ready to promote to liberty-updates
[13:21] <coreycb> beisner, also qemu 1:2.3+dfsg-5ubuntu9.4~cloud1 is ready to promote to liberty-updates
[13:21] <beisner> o/ coreycb
[13:21] <coreycb> o/
[13:33] <coreycb> ddellav, I'm starting to look at python-os-vif.  to get it into debian you'll need to file an ITP bug (and document it in d/changelog) - https://wiki.debian.org/ITP
[13:34] <coreycb> ddellav, sample bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824559
[13:35] <beisner> coreycb, neutron, neutron-*aas, qemu http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23064487/ promoted to uca liberty-updates re:
[13:35] <beisner> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1594867
[13:35] <beisner> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1611123
[13:36] <ddellav> coreycb ok, i knew i needed to create a bug i just wasn't sure what the format was.
[13:36] <coreycb> ddellav, I think reportbug will generate an ITP template: reportbug -B debian python-os-vif
[13:37] <coreycb> beisner, thanks1
[13:38] <beisner> coreycb, yw sir
[13:57] <coreycb> ddellav, mostly looks really good, I didn't try installing yet - just some minor comments http://paste.ubuntu.com/23064569/
[14:00] <ddellav> coreycb ok awesome, those are pretty much exactly what my concerns where
[14:00] <coreycb> ddellav, cool
[14:03] <Geom> can anyone confirm if PATA optical has an issue on udev rules regarding not triggering automatically unless you try to do something like cd-info sr0
[14:04] <Geom> or whateber command that points to drive's dev
[15:43] <ddellav> coreycb bug submitted (#834608), here's the final repo for your review: lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/python-os-vif
[18:24] <kgirthofer> hey all - looking for a way to completely saturate my bandwidth on purpose
[18:24] <kgirthofer> we have comcast and it's a bullshit line. Never works - so we bumped up to fiber
[18:24] <kgirthofer> and now the line is clean as ever
[18:25] <kgirthofer> so I want to resaturate the line to see if it starts failing again so I need to simulate a bunch of traffic
[18:25] <kgirthofer> only thing running on that network is an ubuntu server
[18:27] <sarnold> there's direct http links to the huge files that the speedtest network uses for their speedtest.net clients.. that might be a decent starting point
[18:27] <kgirthofer> yea I'm using that running every minute through nagios
[18:27] <kgirthofer> and graphing it
[18:27] <sarnold> oh lookie there, speedtest-cli
[18:27] <sarnold> ha
[18:27] <sarnold> nice
[18:27] <kgirthofer> yea so that's showing a nice solid line right at 82mbps
[18:27] <kgirthofer> which is great
[18:28] <RadenBlazed> hello everyone
[18:28] <kgirthofer> but I want it to not be great
[18:29] <sarnold> kgirthofer: kernel.org has some decent bandwidth, maybe you could kick off an rsync to them
[18:29] <kgirthofer> nice
[18:29] <RadenBlazed> guys if i want to make a mail server do i need to make my server a DNS server also?
[18:29] <kgirthofer> thanks
[18:29] <sarnold> kgirthofer: if you've got more endpoints maybe iperf or similar tools?
[18:29] <patdk-wk> RadenBlazed, depends
[18:30] <kgirthofer> while 5 < 3 download from kernel.org
[18:30] <patdk-wk> what does, make a mail server, mean
[18:30] <RadenBlazed> i got a domain and want @mydomain.com emails.
[18:30] <RadenBlazed> t/fireball
[18:30] <RadenBlazed> t/fireball
[18:30] <RadenBlazed> sorry hit a hotkey :P
[18:30] <patdk-wk> you don't need a server at all for that
[18:31] <kgirthofer> RadenBlazed: no just install the mail client of your choice
[18:31] <RadenBlazed> ?
[18:31] <patdk-wk> you want to be able to receive and send emails from your server using that domain?
[18:31] <RadenBlazed> yeah my domain
[18:31] <patdk-wk> you want smtp/imap/pop all on that server?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> you want virus and spam filtering?
[18:32] <sarnold> normally I'd say "pay google to do it"
[18:32] <sarnold> hosting email servers twenty years ago was kind of fun. I wouldn't want to do it today..
[18:32] <patdk-wk> you will need a recursive dns server on that mail server
[18:32] <RadenBlazed> im already paying for this server. and its more about me learning to use servers better
[18:32] <kgirthofer> yea RadenBlazed - that's best advice. When you have a mail server, you have to open ALOT to the outside world and It's super common for hackers to get in and start spamming emails like crazy. Then you get blocked/pay for data overages/usage
[18:33] <nacc> hosting a mail server will not teach you to "use servers better", IMO
[18:33] <patdk-wk> sure it will, you will become a better bofh :)
[18:33] <sarnold> and you'll need to be able to modify your dns zone information but you can still pay someone else to host your DNS for you if you wish
[18:33] <sarnold> patdk-wk: hehe
[18:34] <nacc> patdk-wk: heh
[18:34] <RadenBlazed> lol its something that i want to do. and i dont have a bandwith limit on my server. I also dont have anything important on it. Its more of a learning experience.
[18:34] <patdk-wk> learn/setup spf, dkim, dmarc
[18:36] <RadenBlazed> I was gona use postfix, postfixAmacisNew (for safery), ClamAV (also for safety), Dovecot and squerrelmail to access it from the browser.
[18:37] <RadenBlazed> Im just not understanding the whole DNS part. some guides say i need a DNS server. some say i can just use the godaddy control pannel and change it from there
[18:37] <sarnold> if godaddy's dns panel lets you add arbitrary records that's probably fine
[18:39] <sarnold> kgirthofer: I wonder how much traffic you could get if you ran a tor mixer node -- you wouldn't want to be an exit node and there may be more work in being an entrance node, but middle-node may have a lot of traffic but few consequences
[18:39] <patdk-wk> RadenBlazed, you need a dns server
[18:39] <patdk-wk> godaddy dns panel == dns server
[18:39] <patdk-wk> you will also need a dns recursor INSTALL on the mail server
[18:40] <RadenBlazed> ok thanks, ima go look up what is :)
[18:41] <RadenBlazed> i do know that is has something to do with the MX records in the go daddy CP.
[18:41] <sarnold> there's two types of dns servers -- authoritative and recursive. the authoritative ones host zones; recursive ones handle queries from clients, and start by going to the root servers and recursing through all the other authoritative dns servers along the way
[18:43] <RadenBlazed> ok thanks
[18:43] <sarnold> you'd probably want to run a recursive resolver on your mail host, so that it can cache frequently requested dns names locally. the busier the server the more important that becomes..
[18:44] <patdk-wk> not really
[18:44] <sarnold> oh?
[18:44] <patdk-wk> if you ever use a dnsrbl, it is required
[18:44] <sarnold> zounds yes
[18:44] <RadenBlazed> ok
[18:44] <patdk-wk> an incoming mail server without a dnsrbl is kindof insane
[18:45] <sarnold> patdk-wk: do you use rpz or are you content to just use it as a cache?
[18:46] <RadenBlazed> idk
[18:46] <RadenBlazed> this is all a learning experience for me lol
[18:47] <patdk-wk> I have a few rpz, but I don't use them in dns
[19:37] <pclerie> Hello! Trying to debug things with NFS. It seems that option RPCSVCGSSDOPTS from /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server is not picked up by the daemon on start up. I just can't figure out why. Is this a know problem?
[19:38] <dusty> I have been directed here by a friend who told me someone on here might be able to help me with my issue. I am trying to install Postfix and Dovecot with MySQL as database. This seems like a simple task but unfortunatly i have one more request. It has to be done completely without SSL Certificate. Would any of you be able to guide me in the right direction, i have been spending 4 days installing,
[19:38] <dusty> reinstalling and configuring without any luck.
[19:45] <tarpman> dusty: can you try to ask a more specific question? is there a certain problem you're stuck on?
[19:49] <sarnold> pclerie: do you get any error messages? do you get error messages if you set the options to garbage?
[19:50] <pclerie> sarnold: No messages. In fact, I'm trying to increase logging to find my problem. And I have not tried garbage. Will get back on that one.
[19:52] <sarnold> pclerie: do you ahve a /run/sysconfig/nfs-utils file? does it look sane?
[19:52] <sarnold> pclerie: (what release is this? I just sort of assumed 16.04 LTS but earlier releases will be different..)
[19:55] <pclerie> sarnold: 16:04 is correct. In KVM machine. And no garbage option does not do anything.  And RPCMOUNTDOPTS works just fine.
[19:55] <beanbag> is server still cd or did it go dvd
[19:57] <pclerie> sarnold: nfs-utils looks fine, include RPCSVCGSSDOPTS. Funny that it contains the original -vvv not the garbage I just put there.
[19:58] <sarnold> pclerie: I wonder, the https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=NEED_SVCGSSD makes it look a bit like the svcgssd thingy isn't correctly being used in systemd..
[20:00] <sarnold> beanbag: server iso looks like it'd still fit on a cd if you wanted to go that route http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/
[20:01] <pclerie> sarnold: Interesting. I stopped the server. Deleted nfs-utils and restarted. Now both RPCMOUNTDOPTS and RPCSVCGSSDOPTS are not picked up.
[20:01] <sarnold> oddd
[20:03] <pclerie> sarnold: nothing in the link rings a bell.
[20:05] <pclerie> sarnold: Oh! And /run/sysconfig/nfs-utils is not recreated.
[20:06] <sarnold> pclerie: that file ought to be regenerated by the /usr/lib/systemd/scripts/nfs-utils_env.sh script, which is run from the nfs-config.service systemd unit
[20:07] <pclerie> sarnold: I've restarted, then stop and start the server a couple of times. It has not been regenerated.
[20:09] <beanbag> I can't burn it worth shit
[20:09] <beanbag> from 2 different burners
[20:09] <pclerie> sarnold: I rebooted. RPCSVCGSSDOPTS definitely does not get picked up.
[20:10] <pclerie> sarnold: and it looks like nfs-utils is only generated on cold boots.
[20:11] <sarnold> pclerie: crazy :/ it'd be worth a bug report.. good luck, time for me to run
[20:11] <pclerie> sarnold: Thanks.
[20:13]  * beanbag blames Shambles 
[20:13] <beanbag> CANUCK
[20:13] <Shambles> Stalker!
[20:53] <beanbag> 10 failed disks today
[20:53] <beanbag> tried 2 burners cd's and dvd's
[20:54] <beanbag> trying one last cdr at lowest burn speed
[21:11] <beanbag> found the issue thx
[21:15] <LaserAllan> hey guys, I think i am having an issue with the apt-get since I have a pakcage that is at least a year behind release schedules and it still says that I have the latest version, is this just ebcause someone ahsnt tested a newer version for ubuntu 1404 and commited it?
[21:16] <tarpman> !highno | LaserAllan
[21:17] <LaserAllan> tarpman: Sorry I should have been more specific, this is Xymon System Monitoring Tool. The reason to upgrade would for me to get some of the new things they have added to make my IT life easier.
[21:18] <tarpman> LaserAllan: upgrade to ubutnu 16.04, then
[21:18] <tarpman> *ubuntnu
[21:18] <tarpman> **ubuntu
[21:20] <LaserAllan> tarpman: Is there no other way around unless i wanna recompile the packages I have from source?
[21:21] <tarpman> LaserAllan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[21:21] <tarpman> I don't see an existing backport of xymon, therefore, you'd have to request one and hope someone's kind enough to do it, or build your own
[21:22] <tarpman> the backportpackage tool in ubuntu-dev-tools is very useful, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports#Building_a_Backport
[21:25] <LaserAllan> tarpman: Thank you, why i am very careful about ugprading just yet is becuase i run a mailserver that I am keen on is going to run fine I guess I could just do a testupgrade and revert to an older snapshot if things dont work out as I want them to, but I have I thik only one package that is compiled comepltely from source since that package afaik doesn't even exist in a repo atm.
[21:25] <LaserAllan> tarpman: Thank you anyway I will have a read, the problem with building xymon is that ive foudn the isntructions on what depencies it has to be kinda vague.
[21:28] <tarpman> LaserAllan: if you backport the package and build it in a ppa, the packaging and buildserver handle all that for you
[21:30] <LaserAllan> tarpman: I don't feel comfortable doing that, dont really feel like i have the knowledge enough to do it. But i will nevertheless look at documenation
[21:30] <LaserAllan> "documentation
[21:30] <tarpman> whatever works for you, of course. just making the suggestion
[21:31] <tarpman> and if you're an administrator of a debian/ubuntu system, being able to modify and build packages is a pretty important skill IMO
[21:31] <LaserAllan> tarpman: Easiest would ofc be to just update to 1604 but I wonder then what will happen to all the things i have running now, like dovecot, postfix, znc, and some other stuff you know :)
[21:31] <tarpman> not something to rush into unprepared, for sure
[21:32] <LaserAllan> tarpman: No not yet, I have mostly used linux and unix at home
[21:32] <LaserAllan> tarpman: I have however been offered such a job, so I am currently looking for some good howto's documentaiton how to build packages and so on.
[21:34] <tarpman> LaserAllan: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ and http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[21:37] <LaserAllan> tarpman: I will have a read there
[21:49] <Braven>  Has anyone does here worked with Realms?
[21:54] <ikonia> yes