[16:11] <trebmuh> hi guys
[16:11] <trebmuh> you've got an issue with the ardour 5 package
[16:11] <trebmuh> this very same issue : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=834488
[16:11] <trebmuh> hope that helps
[16:21] <zequence> trebmuh: Thanks. Hopefully it is fixed in Debian soon, and soon as it is, we need to sync with them
[16:21] <zequence> trebmuh: Did you report that bug?
[16:22] <zequence> If so, and you also use Ubuntu, could you please report it for Ubuntu as well?
[16:24] <zequence> Ah, damn. ardour5 is the package causing the build failure
[16:25] <trebmuh> no I'm not using ubuntu
[16:25] <trebmuh> zequence, that's just a matter of 2 lines changes in the debian/ardour.install file
[16:26] <trebmuh> ie : you just have to replace:
[16:26] <trebmuh> debian/tmp/usr/*
[16:26] <trebmuh> by:
[16:26] <trebmuh> debian/tmp/usr/bin/ardour*
[16:26] <trebmuh> debian/tmp/usr/lib/*
[16:26] <trebmuh> and you're good to go
[16:27] <zequence> trebmuh: Thanks. I will have a look and see about fixing that today
[16:27] <trebmuh> that's what I've been doing for LibraZiK
[16:27] <trebmuh> zequence, no worries, hope that helps
[16:27] <zequence> I can change the code, but I can't upload in Debian.
[16:28] <trebmuh> zequence, if I can suggest something as rgareus said on #ardour : "grabbing debian/sid and *directly* publishing it sound like a recipe for disaster."
[16:28] <trebmuh> that will be fixed in debian anytime soon, I'm sure
[16:28] <zequence> trebmuh: That suggestion is better put to Canonical, or the whole of Ubuntu community
[16:29] <zequence> And, rgareus is just sharing his opinion without actually knowing what it means.
[16:29] <zequence> He's a good coder, but he likes to be anti-Ubuntu, though he has never used it
[16:30] <trebmuh> indeed, but I'm not using ubuntu :) Just passing on you this bug report which just happened on #ardour in the hope it can be useful to you and the ubuntustudio users. I really hope that can help, specificaly just before your coming soon freeze/etc..
[16:30] <zequence> If he wants to suggest something for Ubuntu development, he should take part in it
[16:30] <zequence> Bugs can be fixed anytime. The freeze is only for changes.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> zequence: so it looks like debian separates the ardour package into two. I am not sure why, but that seems to be the problem.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> zequence: The files in the packages look like a set of files that have moved for 5.0 to a different location.
[17:44] <OvenWerks> this would indicate that the script debian uses to create the packages has not been modified to the new position.
[17:46] <OvenWerks> zequence: Robin as you say has had so many problems from Ubuntu users (mostly vanilla I might add) that both he and Paul consider Ubuntu the worst dist for audio.
[17:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: however, his comments about US are annoying. He keeps (even after being corrected) paroting the line US is UB with extra packages. and no system set up.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> zequence: it shows a missunderstanding of packaging and ditro building in general. One could also say exactly the same thing kxstudio or avlinux which they recommend.
[17:54] <OvenWerks> zequence: obviously any system changes would be in the form of a package.
[17:55] <trebmuh> OvenWerks, re: ardour5 package : i think what happened is debian want to switch to a one-only package named "ardour" instead of one "ardour" package and one "ardour-data" package, but did forget to remove the ardour-data.install file
[17:55] <trebmuh> s/i think/i guess/
[17:55] <OvenWerks> trebmuh: that would be a great move.
[17:56] <trebmuh> maybe, yes
[17:56]  * OvenWerks would like to see libjack-jackd2-dev included in jackd2
[18:10] <trebmuh> why so ?
[18:19] <OvenWerks> trebmuh: too many people who want to build something that requires libjack just look for libjack-dev which installs jackd1 and uninstalls any audio project that depends on jacdk2.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> libjack-dev should point to the default jackd dev files
[18:20] <OvenWerks> but it does not.
[18:22] <zequence> It's actually worse than that. If you do a 'apt-get build-dep' for any package that requires audio, you will get libjack-dev, if the jackd2 variant is not installed
[18:22] <zequence> ..for any package that requires jack dev files, I mean, of course
[18:30] <trebmuh> OvenWerks, mm, yes, make sense
[18:30]  * zequence is installing yakkety just in order to be able to make the bug report
[18:30] <trebmuh> has it been reported to the debian BTS ?
[18:37] <zequence> The libjack-dev one? Not sure. I think the actual problem might be that libjack-dev depends on jackd1 and not jackd1|jackd2
[18:38] <zequence> Or, why does it bring jackd1 in at all?
[18:57] <zequence> Ah, right. Can't install the thing even
[18:57] <zequence> sakrecoer: You reported a bug about that some time ago, did you not? Installer crash when trying to install Ubuntu Studio?
[18:58] <zequence> I'm reporting the bug in Ubuntu Studio LP page. Then, I'll remove ardour from our meta. That's all I have time for today.
[19:01] <zequence> Bug 1614224
[19:03] <zequence> Haven't tried installing yakkety on a real machine yet, so could be a VB problem
[19:20] <zequence> debootstrap is too old on xenial, so now I need to install another yakkety. Going for the mini ISO
[19:20] <zequence> 3h later, all I've been able to do is report a bug..
[19:38] <OvenWerks> For those interested, I would suggest for back ports for US 14.04/16.04 to _not_backport Ardour 5.0  but to wait for 5.1 or 5.2 (5.1 may be skipped) Ardour 5.0 itself works quite well, but one of the LV2 plugins included (a-reverb) has an audible bug (since fixed)
[19:42] <zequence> Has the previous backport landed yet?
[19:43] <zequence> Think snaps is probably a smarter way to "backport".
[19:59] <OvenWerks> zequence: I am not sure, my backports seems to list it, but it may be the test? how do I check?
[20:00] <OvenWerks> synaptic says I have 4.7
[20:01] <OvenWerks> but it is a version with a ~ppa1 on the back end.
[20:02] <OvenWerks> would it get replaced by a backport if it was in zenial-backports?
[20:02] <OvenWerks> *xenial
[20:03] <OvenWerks> xenial-backports is enabled on my system.
[20:04] <zequence> There are exactly three packages in xenial backports for amd64 so far
[20:04] <zequence> ardour is not amongst them
[20:05] <zequence> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-backports/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[20:05] <zequence> xenial universe backports, to be more precise
[20:07] <zequence> Think that also explains why it may be difficult to get one through
[20:07] <zequence> Not a big prio, since there are so few
[20:09] <zequence> Finally able to at least do an update to the meta. Will upload as soon as it finish, and that should fix the build error.
[20:09] <zequence> Would be nice to get ardour fixed before Beta 1
[20:10] <OvenWerks> zequence: yes.
[20:27] <zequence> Ardour 5 does seem like perhaps the most important update so far
[20:27] <zequence> ..for ardour, that is
[20:27] <zequence> Many, many new nice changes.
[20:28]  * zequence is looking forward to trying it out
[20:44] <zequence> New meta is up. I might have some time tomorrow again. Adios for now.
[21:28] <OvenWerks> see you later.