[00:41] <fkn_white_male> hi
[00:41] <fkn_white_male> is the mouse pointer issue resolved?
[00:41] <fkn_white_male> where it disappears after a suspend
[01:09] <xangua> fkn_white_male: no
[01:33] <fkn_white_male> xangua: ffffuuuuu
[01:33] <Unit193> SRU queue, look in -proposed.
[01:37] <fkn_white_male> o well
[02:26] <GeoDude> fkn_white_male: I added a menu item for 'xset s activate' so I can just pull that up whenever and make the cursor come back. I also used to have a key bound to that but I decided to remap it to something else
[02:27] <GeoDude> Running 'xset s activate' makes the screen flash, with the cursor becoming visible when it's done (maybe half a second)
[03:34] <fkn_white_male> GeoDude: why has the issue not been rectified though?
[03:34] <fkn_white_male> it wasn't an issue in earlier releases of xubuntu
[05:00] <glitchd> hello all
[05:00] <glitchd> there is a hella of a problem with the panel clock
[05:01] <glitchd> whenever i try to set it correctly, then close the gui the clock disappears from the panel. its placeholder is still there but the time is not displayed.
[05:03] <malysps> glitchd, something with .gtkrc-2.0 maybe? did you add something there?
[05:05] <glitchd> malysps, no i did not, it has been like this since i upgrade to 16.04, then carried over when i upgraded again to 16.04.1
[05:07] <glitchd> malysps, could u show me what the clock section of your gtkrc file looks like so i can compare and possible fix this issue?
[05:10] <YankDownUnder> It could be "font" issues - or "theme" related...especially if you're still using configurations across upgrades...(as is the usual case)
[05:11] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, well i have reinstalled twice so far trying to see if this problem would go away, and it has not. nor do i find anyone else having this problem.
[05:11] <malysps> my .gtkrc-2.0 is a empty file, i asked about it because some time ago you wrote "so i think i need to find where in the gtkrc file that info is and change it"
[05:12] <cfhowlett> glitchd, may I also suggest: sudo apt full-upgrade        to grab any missing updates
[05:12] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, so this is no long an upgrade scenario
[05:12] <glitchd> cfhowlett, no update available
[05:12] <glitchd> updates*
[05:12] <cfhowlett> good
[05:12] <glitchd> malysps, yes i did.
[05:13] <glitchd> malysps, the folder gtk-2.0 is empty?
[05:13] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: I'm not going to argue with you. I just know from direct experience that in many instances - and it doesn't matter what the desktop is (Gnome/KDE/XFce/Enlightenment/Etc etc etc) - that some configurations will cause issues with the "new", ergo, either deleting or renameing particular configurations - especially those based on themes/theme engines/fonts - and the likes.
[05:14] <malysps> maybe try, as a workaround, another clock applet? 'Orage Panel Clock'
[05:14] <glitchd> malysps, do i get that from the software center?
[05:14] <malysps> it should be installed already i think
[05:15] <YankDownUnder> It's part of the "goodies" that come with XFce4...
[05:15] <cfhowlett> glitchd, he's not wrong.  More than once, nuking the user hidden files/folders will reset everything to factory fresh.  suggest you log in to the guest account to see if proper functioning is there.  if so, the issue is in your configuration
[05:17] <glitchd> cfhowlett, i will try that right now and report back what i figure out. thanks.
[05:17] <malysps> glitchd, this second clock applet comes with 'orage' package
[05:18] <glitchd> malysps, i just found it the the office section of the application menu, but when i click it nothing happens.
[05:19] <glitchd> i just made a new user and im about to login to that account and see if the problem persists or not, brb.
[05:19] <malysps> orage itself is a simple calendar, you must add new applet in the panel settings
[05:23] <malysps> in your menu that should be in Settings category -> Panel, or just right click on your panel (empty space) Panel -> Add applet
[05:24] <glitchd> ok so its the same as my normal user
[05:24] <glitchd> as soon as i set it the way i like it, i click to close the gui and it disappears
[05:25] <glitchd> i have already removed and reinstall the "indicator-datetime" and the problem persists
[05:27] <cfhowlett> glitchd, do the defaults work?
[05:28] <glitchd> the default is a military time clock with no AM or PM and no popup date when i hover on it.
[05:28] <glitchd> cfhowlett, ^^
[05:28] <cfhowlett> right.  does it function correctly?
[05:28] <glitchd> no. again it disappears when i set the options for it in the gui
[05:30] <cfhowlett> glitchd, alright. try this: delete /home/glitchd/.config/xfce4         will reset XFCE desktop environment variables
[05:30] <cfhowlett> logout/login to reset
[05:31] <glitchd> cfhowlett, ok ill do that, but before i do, can you tell me whats going to happen after i use that command?
[05:31] <glitchd> cfhowlett, are all my desktop preferences going to be defaulted?
[05:31] <cfhowlett> all of your xfce settings and configurations will reset to factory fresh
[05:32] <malysps> backup your files before deleting anything, always nice to do this :)
[05:33] <cfhowlett> true glitchd.  in fact, you could just rename the file and then logout/login
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> Sometimes, when trying out different themes/fonts/desktop settings/preferences - this is a good thing (the copy/backup/rename) so that WHEN you screw up, well, it's easy enough to fix...
[05:35] <glitchd> ok i renamed it to xfce4.old, now im gonna logout and back in to see if there is a difference. thank you everyone, brb.
[05:36] <YankDownUnder> (Be grateful it's not KDE/Plasma - THAT is painful to reset the configurations)
[05:37] <glitchd> cfhowlett, nope still does the same thing after i set it.
[05:38] <cfhowlett> well, I am officially out of ideas then.  sorry.
[05:38] <glitchd> cfhowlett, lol thank you anyways
[05:38] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: what exactly WAS happening with the clock - that's causing you all these issue, bro?
[05:39] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, ive explained it several times if u care to read any of the scroll back
[05:40] <glitchd> brb
[05:40] <malysps> what theme are you using?
[05:40] <YankDownUnder> Hmm...the "clock disappears" but still leaves the placeholder (the panel item)...
[05:41] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, ok im back
[05:41] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, just had to switch back to my original xfce4 folder so all my presets loaded
[05:41] <YankDownUnder> That *is* sufficiently weird...
[05:41] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, indeed.
[05:42] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: And so, then in REMOVING the clock from the panel, and then re-adding it, do you have the same issue?
[05:42] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, yes, and yes.
[05:43] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: What about => remove clock, logoff, login, re-add panel? (The reason I ask about doing THAT is to have the "desktop" refreshed...if that makes any sense)
[05:44] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, i understand what you are saying, and i have tried it and the problem persists
[05:44] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Have you checked/changed/modified your "system wide" fonts - anything "out of the ordinary" as it were?
[05:44] <glitchd> nope
[05:45] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, ^^
[05:45] <YankDownUnder> Multiple languages?
[05:45] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, this was one of the main reasons i upgraded to 16.04.1 just to see if this problem was gone, and it wasnt.
[05:45] <glitchd> i only use one language
[05:46] <glitchd> english
[05:47] <YankDownUnder> Ok...so then let's go with THEMES...do you have any themes that you've been using? Changes to themes? Anything that would affect anything GTK related?
[05:48] <glitchd> yes, i have been using the Drakefire theme. It was not included and i had to download it and drop it in the appearance gui
[05:49] <YankDownUnder> Right oh...SO, if you change the theme (and double check all the bits and bobs) to something "new" (or just go back to the absolute boring default)...???
[05:50] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, i have not tried switching themes to see if the problem remains, but i will right now
[05:50] <glitchd> brb
[05:51] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Check out: xfce-look.org
[05:51] <glitchd> been there, done that.
[05:52] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, problem remains even with different theme
[05:54] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Right. Fair enough. So it's just a freak thingo - truly something to speak with a dev about (or someone of a higher level of understanding about the core system functionality of XFce) - have you posted in the wiki about it yet? As you should...
[05:55] <glitchd> if you could give me a link to where i should post this problem, i would be very grateful
[05:56] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu => bingo, bro.
[05:56] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, thanks, giving it a look now
[06:02] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Just to let you know, as well, there is an #xfce channel -> for further "digging"
[06:03] <glitchd> irc channel?
[06:03] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Ya mon
[06:04] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, alrighty then, thx
[06:11] <glitchd> dang the closes i can get it to how i want it, is with orage clock, but it shows seconds. hmpf, better than nothign..
[06:15] <YankDownUnder> Cairo-clock?
[06:15] <YankDownUnder> Cairo-clock has been a fave of mine for years...just sits there nicely and does what it's supposed to do...
[06:15] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, doesn that belong to cairo dock?
[06:16] <YankDownUnder> glitchd: Nah...it's it's own entity...look it up in the package manager...or online...either which...it's part of the repo's, too...
[06:16] <glitchd> YankDownUnder,  i just did, analog clocks arent my thing really..
[06:26] <glitchd> maybe its a 32bit bug?
[06:27] <glitchd> does anyone else have xubuntu 16.04.1 installed?
[06:30] <glitchd> now im wondering if the clock on a 64 bit xubuntu 16.04.1 will work correctly
[06:31] <glitchd> but damn i hate having to reinstall and redo everything i have done till to make this install more comfortable
[06:36] <YankDownUnder> It's possible it could be a 32 bit thingo...however, that being said, I've tried to recreate the issue, and I have nothing. I'm on 64-bit 16.04.1 - WITH several different desktops installed...
[06:38] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, well my next solution is to try a 64 bit virutalbox install and see if the problem is there too
[06:38] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, honestly, i thought i had installed 64 bit...lol whoops
[06:39] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, might be time for another reinstall...dam.
[06:41] <glitchd> YankDownUnder, originally i installed ubuntu 16.04.1 then install xubuntu desktop inside of that. then reinstalled with xubuntu 16.04.1 now im going to have to reinstall with xubuntu 16.4.1 64 bit
[06:42] <glitchd> time to poke some smot
[07:54] <malysps> i think this is little inconsistent - on the main page there's a note about 16.04.1, but on the download page 16.04 is considered as latest http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[07:56] <YankDownUnder> malysps: The ISO they put together - for downloading - is going to be quite quite up-to-date...
[07:57] <malysps> yes, links are ok, they go to 16.04.1, but the green header suggests something else
[07:59] <YankDownUnder> malysps: Write a letter to the webmaster? ;)
[08:00] <malysps> Dear webmaster... ;)
[08:02] <YankDownUnder> malysps: See, if it was ME, being that Ubuntu costs nothing, and I can download it for free, too - I'd be like, ya know, writing a horrible mean letter to the CE0 of the company complaing and demanding that everything get fixed NOW and that MY needs were met long before anyone else's... :)
[11:12] <FrageumRat> hi! can anyone help me change the language for programs based on kde?
[11:13] <FrageumRat> I'm trying to have KAnagram use german language so my son can play it
[13:53] <u554c46> i just got a skylake based computer. should i install xubunut 16.04 and the newest 4.7.1 kernel?
[14:28] <beeray> hello house, Pls I need help in recovery of tuochpad cursor on my laptop after suspend on xubuntu 16.04
[15:40] <drumcode303> test
[15:41] <drumcode303> i got a question regarding lshw or hardinfo. would this be xubuntu related?
[15:41] <drumcode303> can't properly read the driver version of the graphics card. what gives?
[15:45] <pleia2> does lspci work correctly?
[15:50] <drumcode303> i have a lshw readout and hardinfo. didn't try lspci, should I?
[15:51] <pleia2> drumcode303: if they're all wrong, I'd say it's probably your hardware reporting the wrong information, these are pretty basic commands
[15:54] <drumcode303> what modes should I run lspci with to check?
[15:55] <drumcode303> lspci -vvxxx?
[15:56] <pleia2> the version of the card should just be show with regular lspci
[15:58] <drumcode303> the card is there. same info as with lshw
[15:59] <drumcode303> driver is radeon, so it's the proprietary one. but version is shown as 00.
[16:00] <pleia2> in that case, it seems like the card simply isn't supplying enough information
[16:05] <drumcode303> what do i do?
[16:09] <drumcode303> also: is it a problem to use drivers for ubuntu 15.04 while being on 16.04 lts?
[16:39] <pleia2> drumcode303: open the computer and read the version from the card?
[16:40] <pleia2> 15.04 isn't supported any longer and uses a different kernel, so I'd be cautious about using older drivers
[16:53] <drumcode303> ok thanks. when lshw/lspci displays the card, does it mean it's definitely in use or just that the system recognises it but works with onboard graphics?
[17:32] <xubuntu14d> Having the issue with dissapearing mouse pointer. uninsatlled light-locker and xscreensaver is installed, but it will not come up on the screen to lock it. Any ideas
[17:34] <xubuntu13w> Where can I get the xubuntu CD to install on my laptop?
[17:44] <pavlushka> xubuntu13w: download the ISO and burn it on a dvd, simple, from here http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[17:45] <pavlushka> xubuntu13w: or you can even download a minimal ISO and burn it to a cd and can install.
[17:46] <pavlushka> xubuntu13w: from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:46] <knome> i strongly recommend the xubuntu ISO.
[17:46] <knome> it won't fit on a CD though
[17:47] <xubuntu13w> OK.  Thanx folks for the input!
[20:36] <NotRs> Hello everybody!
[22:53] <pjotter> Sorry to bother you all about themes again. But there;s somthing I don't understand. If I open up an application like the standard calculator in 16.04, it looks different than most other windows. Now, I can somewhat change the colours by selecting a different theme. But if I got window manager and select a different theme there, nothing happes at all. The windowdressing stays exactly the same. Why is that and is there a way to make th
[22:53] <knome> it's again gtk2/gtk3 differences.
[22:53] <pjotter> Hi knome
[22:54] <pjotter> I understand. But isn;t there a windows manager 'theme' that does anything with these new applications?
[22:54] <pjotter> I can select all I want, but absolutely nothing happens to the dressing. No matter what windows derssing theme I click on in windows manager.
[22:55] <knome> gtk3 has different kind of window decorations
[22:55] <knome> yes, at this point the control you have is more or less limited
[22:56] <pjotter> Well, I can only change the colours somewhat by changing the theme. But I can;t change windowsdressing in windowsmaganer settings, right?
[22:56] <knome> not really, no
[22:56] <knome> changing the window manager theme has much more effect on gtk2 apps.
[22:57] <pjotter> Well, I just tried every windows manager theme that is supplied with standard Xubuntu 16.04, but it does absolutely nothing to the windowsdressing of those applications.
[22:58] <knome> that's because gtk3 is managing them, and at this point *repeats:* the control you have is more or less limited (or none)
[22:58] <pjotter> I'm just trying to figure out if it is just me, my setup here or maybe I'm missing something?
[22:59] <knome> you're not missing anything
[23:00] <pjotter> Ok, when you say 'limited'  it seems to suggest that there is -some- control. But no matter what I do, these is nothing that does anything to the looks of those windows atm.
[23:00] <knome> then practically there is none you can achieve with the window manager GUI at least.
[23:02] <pjotter> So, somewhere I found a discussion on the same topic and someone suggested a downgrade to gtk 3.10. Would that restore control to those applications?
[23:04] <knome> i don't know, and i still don't suggest downgrading to any older version to be able to do something you are not able to do in the future anyway
[23:05] <pjotter> It' s just for the time being.
[23:05] <pjotter> I installed Xubuntu with some relatives and friends and I am getting a lot of -complaints-  about this issue lately. So, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to -fix- this.
[23:05] <knome> time being... before what? somebody brings back you the control?
[23:06] <knome> what if there will be no such control in the future?
[23:06] <pjotter> Surely it will be possible to adjust the windowsdressing of gtk3 applications in the future?
[23:07] <knome> i can't promise you that.
[23:08] <pjotter> So... there will only be one looks for those applications?
[23:08] <knome> i didn't say that either
[23:08] <knome> to be clear, i'm not involved with gtk3 development
[23:09] <knome> sure, i know bits from here and there, but those bits do not include a promise for this or that feature or configuration option
[23:10] <knome> but neither do i know that there would not be something like that.
[23:10] <pjotter> I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be smart here... but what is the point of not being able to alter the windowsdressing in gtk3? In gtk2 this has always been possible. It seems like a major restriction to not be able to alter that?
[23:10] <knome> there is no major point there
[23:10] <knome> gtk3 is under development
[23:27] <pjotter> knome: Just found a workable sollution.
[23:28] <pjotter> There is an application called gtk3-nocsd. It functions as a kind of wrapper. If a gtk3 app is called with gtk3-nocsd, it just displayes the old gtk2 windows dressing.
[23:30] <knome> sure, but then you have two set of window borders and some officially unsupported code
[23:31] <pjotter> At least I can distinquish where the window starts and ends now.
[23:46] <chuckmcm> I wonder why my NUC (which has two displays, one on the miniDP port and one on the HDMI port) turns off only the MiniDP port?