[00:00] <ahoneybun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010657.html
[00:21] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: "Applications from involved non- developers are encouraged." you messed up, no space between "non-" and "developers" :P
[00:21]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:21]  * clivejo trips tsimonq2
 I did not
 yofel did
[00:21] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: nuh uhh, you sent the email :P
[00:22]  * tsimonq2 pushes clivejo 
[00:22]  * clivejo laughs
[00:22] <clivejo> you can try!
 I copied it from him though
[00:23] <tsimonq2> but Aaron, everybody knows that you have to proofread emails before you send them :P
[00:37] <ahoneybun> looks fine to me tsimonq2(pain in my,.)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> looks fine? :/ /o\ o\
[00:39] <ahoneybun> it does
[00:40] <tsimonq2> well I guess we'll both enjoy my vacation :P
[00:40] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:47]  * clivejo nods
[00:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo too, enjoy my vacation :P
[00:56] <clivejo> I will :P
[01:29] <valorie> I will miss you, tsimonq2!
[01:29] <valorie> but enjoy yourself
[01:29] <tsimonq2> aww thanks valorie :D
[01:29] <tsimonq2> I will :)
[01:29] <valorie> don't let the trolls get ya down
[01:30] <valorie> lol
[01:30]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo 
[01:30] <tsimonq2> :P
[01:30] <clivejo> dont fall in the river :P
[01:31] <tsimonq2> that would be really funny
[01:31] <tsimonq2> I'll just shout, "GOSH DARNIT CLIVE!" and family will look at me like "wth?" XD
[01:31] <valorie> lol
[01:32] <clivejo> Im sure they are used to you by now
[01:32] <tsimonq2> well they aren't used to YOU :P
[01:32] <clivejo> wouldnt batter an eyelid
[01:33]  * tsimonq2 throws http://lubuntu.me/cd-size-poll/ into the air
[02:09] <clivejo> BTW I uploaded digikam 5.1.0 to staging-misc if anyone wants to test it
[02:19] <valorie> i will in a bit
[06:34] <valorie> list is being bombed now due to me running listadmin.....
[06:34] <valorie> lovely merge requests
[06:35] <tsimonq2> alright I think I'm off for the night
[06:35] <tsimonq2> and I'll be gone bright and early tomorrow
[06:35] <tsimonq2> so o/ until Sunday y'all
[06:35] <valorie> have a wonderful time, tsimonq2
[06:35] <tsimonq2> (away message has details if you need to contact me)
[06:35] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie 
[06:46] <acheronuk> hmmm. yes. many duplicate emails from the list
[06:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: ah, so digikam is what you were up to. sorry I didn't get back to you. 
[07:03] <valorie> blah, I was going to fix my listadmin.ini first, but: fetching data for macqueen@lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com ... Died at /usr/bin/listadmin line 1314, <FIN> line 98.
[07:03] <valorie> rest of the lists run fine
[07:03] <valorie> gonna ask my RW guru
[09:35] <soee> hiho
[11:15] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/a/OEK7u
[11:16] <ahoneybun> something up with the xml feed
[11:16] <ahoneybun> don't know if it is my fault or not yet
[11:17] <ahoneybun> ohh
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:47] <santa_> good morning everyone
 o/ Morning friends
[11:47] <clivejo> morning santa_
 Just a quick note
 I am going aaway on Holiday later today, I'll be back in about a 2 weeks, just in case you miss me
[11:49] <santa_> enjoy the vacation
[11:53] <clivejo> grrrr
[11:53] <clivejo> digikam built against an older version of marble lib
[12:04] <acheronuk> afternoon :)
[12:04] <clivejo> hi rik
[12:05] <clivejo> rik rik, rik rik rik rik
[12:05] <acheronuk> Noooo. That's not me
[12:05] <clivejo> grrrr ovidiu and his catchy song
[12:06]  * acheronuk clicks on http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/
[12:06] <clivejo> yofel: regarding digikam needing latest marble lib, how should I do that?  enable staging-apps in the staging-misc PPA?
[12:07] <clivejo> copy the package from staging-apps => staging-misc?
[12:07] <clivejo> or throw the whole lot out the nearest window in a fit of rage and swearing?
[12:10] <acheronuk> from #ubuntu-release [10:33] <infinity> Come hell or highwater, this mess will migrate today, or I'm stabbing someone. :)
[12:11] <clivejo> keep well clear
[12:11] <clivejo> I predict with a high probability that he will stab someone
[12:11] <clivejo> hi slhk
[12:11] <clivejo> o/
[12:12] <slhk> hi clivejo
[12:12] <clivejo> up to anything exciting?
[12:12]  * clivejo noticed a couple of commits on Muon :)
[12:13] <soee> anyone using setup liek laptop + connected screen ?
[12:14] <clivejo> soee: yes
[12:14] <soee> clivejo: mind testing one bug ?
[12:14] <clivejo> Im on 5.7.2
[12:14] <clivejo> YY
[12:16] <slhk> clivejo: not really exciting, but there are some new bugs reported in Muon and I'm looking into them... among other things. I'd like to know from you when it would be a good time for a new release
[12:16] <clivejo> slhk: Im not sure
[12:16] <clivejo> it seems to be building ok on KCI
[12:16] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_muon/
[12:17] <acheronuk> Earlier on today I added the kubuntu-ci/unstable ppa to a YY VM to test, and it didn't completely break
[12:17] <clivejo> Ill grab the debs and install it locally
[12:18] <clivejo> slhk: what is the lastest version number of muon?
[12:19] <clivejo> !info muon
[12:19] <soee> clivejo: ok, hmm anyway i you find some free 5 min to test https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367490
[12:20] <clivejo> eakk thats weird
[12:21] <clivejo> Its blanked my laptop screen and moved /most/ of my stuff to the external monitor
[12:22] <clivejo> bar the task bar thingie
[12:23] <soee> but external one works ?
[12:24] <slhk> clivejo: Muon 5.6.0, not that there is much new, but some fixes and more columns in the list of packages ;)
[12:25] <clivejo> soee: yes
[12:25] <clivejo> slhk: need to bump the version in KCI
[12:45] <clivejo> slhk: what version would the next release be?
[12:46] <clivejo> are you keeping in step with plasma releases ie 5.7?
[12:50] <slhk> clivejo: my idea was indeed to follow plasma, so 5.7 currently
[12:51] <clivejo> do you think you will ever release with the main tarballs?
[12:53] <slhk> I don't think so, although I could try to follow the same timeline.
[12:58]  * yofel goes whistling the FFE song for apps and digikam..
[13:00] <yofel> clivejo: re digikam: good question :/
[13:00] <yofel> just put it into apps I guess
[13:01] <clivejo> upload to apps?
[13:01]  * clivejo pokes yofel to put in a KCC nomination 
[13:02] <yofel> I'll do that later
[13:29] <soee> testing new wallpaper http://i.imgur.com/klGXK9G.jpg
[13:29] <acheronuk> soee: too bright
[13:30] <yofel> I can't help but think of some mosaic style road with sidewalks when I see that...
[13:30] <soee> :D
[13:30] <yofel> not that it looks bad though
[13:30] <soee> i think of it as a summer wallpaper
[13:31] <acheronuk> yep. needs sun-glasses
[14:01] <soee> how cool :D
[14:02] <soee> i reported small issue and after 1 min it was fixed -.-
[14:03] <blaze> soee: https://youtu.be/S5bH2YC9VdM
[14:03] <soee> :D
[14:04] <soee> blaze: you did that ?
[14:04] <blaze> nope
[14:05] <soee> the configuration UI is terrible :)
[14:05] <soee> each section shoudl be fullwidth
[14:49] <mhall119> has anyone heard from rick timmis lately?
[14:50] <soee> not me, only some posts on G+
[14:50] <soee> you can try to catch him on telegram 
[14:51] <mhall119> I don't think I have him on telegram
[14:51] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: ^
[14:51] <mhall119> yofel: he's not in the channel currenly
[14:52] <yofel> no, but the telegram bridge *should* ping him
[14:52] <mhall119> ah, ok, didn't know that
[14:52] <yofel> but it's a bit unreliable, so maybe best send him a mail
[14:52] <mhall119> if somebody could let him know that I need to talk to him about akademy, I'd appreciate it
[14:53] <soee> mhall119: i messsged him on telegram
[14:54] <acheronuk>  I am going aaway on Holiday later today, I'll be back in about a 2 weeks, just in case you miss me
 mhall119 Hi there I am here
[14:54] <soee>  :)
[14:54] <mhall119> Sick_Rimmit: can you ping me on Telegram? I'm @mhall119
[14:55] <acheronuk> have a nice holiday Rick, BTW :)
[16:56] <soee> :OOO
[16:56] <soee> https://youtu.be/QvrYvO06D6E?t=3m10s
[17:20] <acheronuk> https://dot.kde.org/2016/08/18/canonical-becomes-patron-kde-ev
[17:23] <acheronuk> "Canonical will be working with the KDE community to keep making the latest KDE technology available to Ubuntu and Kubuntu users, and expanding that into making Snap packages of KDE frameworks and applications that are easily installable by users of any Linux desktop. "
[17:24] <mamarley> So yet a third packaging operation of KDE for Ubuntu…
[17:26] <acheronuk> so will kubuntu get back some better support via that I wonder, or just get squeezed into yet a smaller space?
[17:26] <mamarley> If I gambled, I would bet on the latter.
[17:27] <acheronuk> ^^ +1
[17:28] <mamarley> It looks like they want to replace the .deb package with Snappy.  What is the deal with all these silly containerization schemes?
[17:28]  * mamarley mutters something regarding his lawn and trespassing.
[18:05] <blaze> i'm pretty sure they'll drop this snappy shi(f)t very soon
[18:07] <yofel> I guess that depends on whether they took the feedback they got during the snappy sprint seriously or not
[18:11] <clivejo> I dont understand why Canonical always wants to redesign the wheel
[18:11] <clivejo> then pull the plug on it :(
[18:13] <clivejo> its like me with new toys
[18:14] <clivejo> its all I talk and do for a few weeks then I get bored and more on to something new
[18:14]  * soee knock, knock...
[18:14] <soee> KDE Applications 16.08 Released
[18:15]  * mamarley slaps soee around a bit with a large trout.
[18:15] <mhall119> mamarley: not all debs will become snaps, only applications
[18:16] <mhall119> yofel: we are taking it very seriously, and hope to have some examples using the new content-sharing interface for you next week
[18:17] <BluesKaj-pi> don tell me kubuntu ia dopting the snap ¨thing¨
[18:18] <mhall119> BluesKaj-pi: every Ubuntu flavor gets it automatically, we're working to be able to provide snap packages of KDE applications sooner and safer
[18:18] <BluesKaj-pi> is adopting
[18:21] <mhall119> so, as an example, you can get Krita 3.0 as a snap in Kubuntu 16.04 today,  but the archives only have 2.9.7
[18:22] <blaze> getting native look'n'feel for these snappy apps is really problematic
[18:22] <BluesKaj-pi> is there a snap repos and package manager
[18:22] <BluesKaj-pi> mhall119,?
[18:22] <mhall119> BluesKaj-pi: yes, `snap` is the command-line tool
[18:22] <blaze> but the worst thing is that most of them are not working at all
[18:23] <mhall119> currently it only supports one store, Canonicals, but there's work being done to allow adding others
[18:23] <BluesKaj-pi> IC., ok , will wait 
[18:24] <mhall119> blaze: the content-sharing interface will help with a lot of the KDE app snaps, there's also work on a dbus interface that many of them need, and we will keep adding things until they do all work
[18:25] <mhall119> in the end you'll be able to stick to an LTS base and still get the new versions of apps as soon as they are released, and that's a pretty nice goal :)
[18:27] <blaze> i'm more like alpha-beta guy
[18:28] <mhall119> well, the snap store also has the concept of "channels" so you can signup to get beta-releases of apps, or even nightly "edge" releases
[18:29] <blaze> i guess the snaps won't help me to get the newest kernel and mesa
[18:30] <mhall119> not on a traditional desktop setup, no
[18:30] <mhall119> it can on IoT devices and servers though
[18:34] <acheronuk> Is kubuntu a bystander in this and we/thay just watch kde and canonical do this? Or is it intended we/they have some direct day to day involvement in delivering this?
[19:12]  * clivejo prepares
[19:13] <acheronuk> prepares what? Pizza? if so, share...
[19:13] <clivejo> myself
[19:13]  * clivejo pins back his ears and opens his eyes wide
[19:14]  * ahoneybun likes snaps
[19:14] <ahoneybun> I have them on my desktop and lapto
[19:14] <ahoneybun> *laptop
[19:14] <ahoneybun> using the telegram snap a lot
[19:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: does this require a drumroll?
[19:14] <ahoneybun> can't wait so that can share content, atm can't handle files and links right
[19:15] <clivejo> personally Id rather have better archive access so we dont have to beg to get software in
[19:15] <ahoneybun> anyone can upload a snap clivejo
[19:15] <clivejo> hummm
[19:17] <acheronuk> LP going slow again. 20-30 min wait to build
[19:27] <mhall119> acheronuk: Kubuntu members have been directly involved already
[19:27] <mhall119> in fact, most of the work so far has been done by them
[19:40] <blaze> it was some obscure top secret kubuntu members
[19:42] <acheronuk> don't recall any discussion/mention on here
[19:42]  * mamarley neither.
[19:43] <ahoneybun> top secret?
[19:55] <mhall119> acheronuk: blaze: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Airclogs.ubuntu.com+kubuntu-devel+snappy
[20:00] <acheronuk> some random discussions on snaps, but not any mention of anyone making a concerted effort on this that I see or recall
[20:02] <acheronuk> not a big deal. just slightly surprising had not heard of anyone working on it to that degree
[20:16] <mhall119> there were discussions in other places, some folks were in-person at a sprint in Heidelberg last month, and I've spoken to sgclark about it in multiple places too
[20:16]  * mhall119 makes a personal note to do that more in this chanel
[20:16] <sgclark> who what where ?
[20:17] <sgclark> oh yes we are working on snaps at upstream KDE level
[20:19] <sgclark> While I may seem to be a obscure top secret kubuntu member at this point due to some major life things, I spent years as an active member. 
[20:20]  * sgclark goes back to work
[20:20] <Mamarok> sgclark: you certainly are neither obscure not secret :-)
[20:20] <sgclark> ty
[20:22] <acheronuk> definitely not :D
[20:23] <acheronuk> Thanks sgclark & mhall119 for clearing that up.
[20:24] <sgclark> np
[20:24]  * mhall119 wants to spread conspiracy theories about top secret Kubuntu bases in the middle of the Arizona desert
[20:25] <Mamarok> whut, secret base we have there? and why in the desert?
[20:26] <mhall119> because Ubuntu GNOME already claimed the secret volcano base
[20:28] <acheronuk> a facility somewhere under a few 100 feet of a polar icecap would be my bet for the location
[20:29] <Mamarok> I am all for the Mars moon
[20:34]  * clivejo couldnt handle desert heat
[20:34] <Mamarok> that's why Phoebos is a good choice, temperature on the sunny side is -4°C
[20:35] <clivejo> sounds lovely for an early morning stroll
[20:36] <clivejo> sgclark: who at KDE are working on snaps?
[20:36] <sgclark> clivejo: myself and sitter
[20:36] <clivejo> I thought it was just a few common apps to showcase it
[20:36] <sgclark> nope
[20:36] <clivejo> the entire stack?
[20:36] <sgclark> we are working on most applications
[20:36] <sgclark> doesn't make sense to do plasma
[20:37] <clivejo> what about apps that share stuff?
[20:37] <sgclark> but applications and we will be making a runtime of kf5 when that is available
[20:37] <sgclark> what do you mean?
[20:37] <clivejo> like digikam needs marble and kipi components 
[20:38] <sgclark> they get built in the snap together
[20:38] <sgclark> it would be considered "parts"
[20:40] <sgclark> debs "split" everything out, whereas snaps are the opposite and keeps everything together
[20:40] <sgclark> so you have to change the way of thinking of packages :)
 Snaps are cool
[20:45] <blaze> windows way
[20:46] <blaze> there were already some distros with the same approach
 Windows way?
 sgclark so we can have Apps 16.08 on a Ubuntu 16.04?
 Well Kubuntu
[20:48] <acheronuk> or ubuntu if you liked
[20:48] <sgclark> yeah that is the idea
[20:49] <sgclark> there are still a few things that need to get resolved. Which we are working on.
[20:49] <sgclark> we being both the snappy team and KDE
[20:50] <acheronuk> so cherry pick your favourite kde apps, and install those with snaps, and not have to install half or more of kde in .deb form to make them work.
[20:50] <sgclark> correct
[20:51] <acheronuk> makes sense if you like/want some kde apps, but are not a dedicated kde desktop user.
[20:51] <sgclark> that is the biggest use case indeed
[20:51] <acheronuk> and if people start being able to use kde apps easily, then that introduces them to the rest, potentially
 Or having the newest apps without a upgrade
[20:52] <sgclark> that too ^^
 ie  new Ubuntu release
 We would still need a machine with latest
 To build them as they pull the packages from repos atm
 Like Ubuntu yakkey
 Yakketu
[20:53] <acheronuk> yes, with the apps it's usually just a few with new features you hanker for.
 But you need a new Qt
[20:54] <blaze> overkill is such overkill
 5.6.1 for ex
[20:55] <acheronuk> I do wonder what the size of these snaps will be?
[20:59]  * acheronuk pokes launchpad
[20:59] <soee> :)
[21:02] <soee> dont touch http://goo.gl/cHkpzG when it is resting  ...
[21:02] <soee> *dont touch LP
[21:09] <soee> there ws some app to batch image resize i think
[21:10] <soee> do you know what it was ?
[21:12] <valorie> imagemagick?
[21:12] <valorie> !info imagemagick
[21:13] <soee> ah yes: mogrify -resize 1900x *.jpg
[21:13] <soee>  :)
[21:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: would you mind installing digikam from staging-apps for me please?
[21:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: it already upgraded earlier
[21:17] <clivejo> any issues?
[21:19] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23068481/
[21:19] <clivejo> did it launch?
[21:19] <acheronuk> as long as those k/sane changes were appropriate, then I think that was ok
[21:20] <clivejo> seem to be old KDE4 being replaced by KF5
[21:20] <acheronuk> It launches. I don't use it really, so didn't test beyond that.
[21:20] <clivejo> its quite good for managing photos
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I do that with dolphin
[21:21] <clivejo> more advanced features
[21:21] <clivejo> locating where the pic was taken, tagging, batch editting
[21:22] <acheronuk> I'm not a greater photo taker. Or care that much about the ones I do.
[21:23] <mhall119> acheronuk: snaps will be pretty big under we get the content-sharing interface working, then we can "share" the KDE runtime between them
[21:25] <acheronuk> mhall119: ah. I misread 'content sharing' as something else. That makes a whole load of more sense. :)
[21:28] <santa_> yofel: the other day clivejo merged part of my 'work3' in master, that included all the commits up to a gbp-ppa fix, the rest are still not merged in master. I mentioned the sunday I was running a rebuild test: well I made a small mistake and I had to repeat it but I got it finised sucessfully
[21:28] <ahoneybun> so they made the Power Shell open source and in a AppImage
[21:28] <santa_> so to sum up, I think you can/should merge my work3 branch in master
[21:28] <ahoneybun> Power Shell snap mhall119?
[21:28] <santa_> link: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work3
[21:29] <santa_> and btw, guys please consider to include the kde4libs patch for visibility, it's very important
[21:32] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I saw that. I've not used windows for anything too serious for too long now to know if that is worth a damn.
[21:33] <ahoneybun> idk if it is or not
[21:33] <ahoneybun> I did not get too much into the console when I was on Windows
[21:34] <acheronuk> things I did, I ended using cygwin anyway!
[21:35] <ahoneybun> lol
[21:37] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I'm still hoping for a Skype snap, so I can stop giving Microsoft root-access to my laptop just to talk to my parents
[21:40] <ahoneybun> Hangouts?
[23:03] <mhall119> yeah, tried that, my dad seems to always be able to mess it up, I have no idea how
[23:03] <ahoneybun> oh damn
[23:04] <ahoneybun> Hangouts lol