[04:40] <hikiko> hello
[05:01] <pitti> Good morning
[05:01] <hikiko> Good morning pitti
[05:02] <pitti> hey hikiko
[05:50] <tjaalton> bregma: hi, evemu needs an update, bug 1588571
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> o/
[07:59] <andyrock> morning
[07:59] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:02] <willcooke> grrrr, no "r" today
[08:02] <willcooke> TheMuso, brb
[08:02] <willcooke> seb128, finally seeing that Intel bug
[08:02] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:02] <TheMuso> willcooke: np
[08:03] <willcooke> The only thing I did differently today was try to start loads of applications on login, normally I switch on and then go and get tea
[08:03] <Laney> ahoy
[08:05] <Laney> happy feature freeze!
[08:05] <willcooke> back to normal
[08:05]  * Sweet5hark spammed multiple ppas with various builds yesterday and the mist clears over this trainwreck (somewhat) ...
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> Laney, About that feature freeze...
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> Upstream MATE team are considering a release of MATE Desktop 1.16 in last September.
[08:09] <flexiondotorg> I've been building/testing the development snapshots in a PPA.
[08:10] <flexiondotorg> Would I have to apply for an FFe to bump the complete MATE Desktop that late in the cycle or as the lead can I just "do it"?
[08:11] <Laney> Depends if you can get it done before 2100 UTC-ish
[08:11] <Laney> :-)
[08:12]  * duflu falls off chair. Surprised by Feature Freeze as usual
[08:12] <Laney> You might have considered uploading the development releases to yakkety all along though, if this was your plan
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, it wasn't a plan.
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> The MATE Desktop 1.16 was originally scheduled for late October.
[08:13] <flexiondotorg> But has been brought forward to hit the Fedora next release.
[08:13] <flexiondotorg> The whole point of MATE 1.16 is improved GTK3+ support. There are no new features.
[08:14] <Laney> Then if there are no new features you don't need an exception to feature freeze
[08:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:18] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke flexiondotorg
[08:18] <seb128> willcooke, which bug? the projector one?
[08:18] <Laney> ahoy seb128
[08:18] <Laney> alright?
[08:21] <seb128> yeah, just go percuted by somebody on bike, some brushes but I'm ok
[08:21] <seb128> I'm a bit annoyed though, people are careless whatever they are driving :-/
[08:21] <larsu> morning everyone!
[08:21] <seb128> that guy was driving in a pedestrian street, fast, not watching around
[08:21] <seb128> and not indicating changes of direction
[08:21] <Laney> grr
[08:22] <larsu> oh, sorry to hear seb128
[08:23] <seb128> no worry I'm alright, small brushes on the right arm
[08:23] <TheMuso> Later folks.
[08:23] <Laney> on Tuesday a taxi was driving along the cycle lane / pavement thing towards me, just basically using it as the road
[08:23] <willcooke> seb128, the missing letterss
[08:23] <Laney> so I stopped and put my bike down
[08:23] <willcooke> night TheMuso
[08:23] <seb128> hey larsu, how are you?
[08:23] <seb128> willcooke, ah, that one, I didn't know you were getting it as well!
[08:23] <seb128> intel drivers :-/
[08:24] <Laney> hey larsu!
[08:24] <willcooke> seb128, first time today
[08:24] <seb128> Laney :-(
[08:24] <Laney> roadssssssssssSSSsssSSSsssSSSsss
[08:24] <larsu> seb128: I'm great, thanks! How are you other than that accident?
[08:24] <larsu> hi Laney!
[08:25] <seb128> larsu, I'm good thanks! it's really summer for some days, which is nice ;-) I also played tennis yesterday, was the perfect evening for it (not cold, not windy, nice people playing)
[08:25] <larsu> nice!
[08:25]  * larsu is jealous, summer went away here
[08:25] <seb128> you? how is Berlin?
[08:25] <seb128> oh :-(
[08:25] <larsu> grey right now
[08:25] <larsu> otherwise awesome as always :)
[08:28] <Laney> larsu: nice guest blog post
[08:28] <Laney> xml literals? crazy
[08:31] <larsu> it's the future
[08:31] <larsu> it's really, really nice
[08:31]  * larsu has been doing a bit of that in cockpit and wanted to bring it over
[08:32] <larsu> also, thanks Laney :)
[08:32] <seb128> larsu, how was GUADEC btw?
[08:32] <Laney> how do you work with jsx variables?
[08:32] <Laney> first I heard of them
[08:33] <Laney> does it get the type of the root element or something?
[08:33] <ochosi> hi folks :)
[08:34] <Laney> like var foo = <Foo bar="baz" /> is the same as var foo = new Foo { bar : "baz"; }?
[08:34] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for the work on the GNOME packages, but do you plan to update all GNOME to the current unstable? that should at least be discussed on the channel before being acted like that...
[08:34] <Laney> but then you get better nesting
[08:34] <seb128> hey ochosi! how are you?
[08:34] <Laney> hi ochosi
[08:34] <Laney> what's up?
[08:36] <larsu> Laney: same as a normal variable
[08:36] <seb128> happyaron, hey, any news about nm 1.2.4? also do you think you could do a SRU today for bug #1579246 (it's a simple one and sort of an important feature for some users so would be nice to get going)
[08:36] <larsu> the literals get transformed to function calls that look something like this: gir.createElement(Gtk.Button, { label: "hi" })
[08:36] <seb128> happyaron, if you are too busy let me know and I can do it
[08:40] <happyaron> seb128: should be find to make 1.2.4 by today
[08:40] <seb128> happyaron, great, thanks, if you don't get it done please at least send me an email with the status by your end of day and push you work so I can pick it up from there
[08:40] <seb128> start with -gnome that should be easy
[08:41] <seb128> then we can look at n-m itself which has more change (and there is already a SRU in the queue waiting for that one)
[08:42] <happyaron> ok
[08:42] <seb128> thanks
[08:48] <larsu> seb128: guadec was cool, as usual. good to see everyone again!
[08:48] <ochosi> good good, was wondering whether you wanted to tell me about the open issues you had with your themes in 16.10 (or do you have them collected somewhere e.g. as bugreports?)
[08:49] <larsu> and half the cockpit team lives down there anyway, so it was good to see them as well
[08:49] <larsu> too bad you guys didn't come (except for desrt) ;)
[09:05] <seb128> ochosi, Laney has a trello card somewhere, we should probably tag launchpad bugs as well or something (not sure if that has been done)
[09:06] <Laney> https://trello.com/c/EXpA6lKW/8-look-into-gtk-3-20
[09:10] <ochosi> oh, the one with the menuitems must sucj
[09:10] <ochosi> suck
[09:10] <Laney> it's only a little bit
[09:10] <Laney> but it does suck
[09:10] <ochosi> yeah, pretty sure it's the border-width
[09:11] <ochosi> but really, to get all your issues "just fixed"(tm) a rebasing on top of adwaita's sass would be best
[09:11]  * Laney coughs
[09:11] <seb128> there is a bug report about notify-osd displaying css warnings as well, need to check in a vm if that's true
[09:11] <ochosi> :>
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, is the greeter one still valid or what that part of the fixes from mterry?
[09:11] <Laney> yes it is
[09:11] <willcooke> anyone doing a release of ubuntu-theme soon?
[09:12] <seb128> willcooke, you? ;-)
[09:12]  * seb128 hides from willcooke
[09:12] <willcooke> damn
[09:12] <willcooke> I walked right in to that one
[09:12] <seb128> kind of yeah...
[09:12] <seb128> joke aside not me, unsure if Laney still had things on his plate he wanted to lan d
[09:13] <seb128> but we can always do one if there are changes that are ready
[09:14] <willcooke> It looks like this has already been merged in to trunk...
[09:14] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/~tiheum/ubuntu-themes/toolkit-arrows/+merge/298609
[09:14] <willcooke> OH
[09:14] <willcooke> oops
[09:14] <willcooke> oh
[09:14] <willcooke> but that was ages ago, so maybe its already been released
[09:15] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/14.04+16.10.20160720-0ubuntu1
[09:15] <ochosi> btw, is there any way you can clean up those mad version strings?
[09:16] <willcooke> rvr, looks like it's already been released (see comment from L_aney)
[09:16] <willcooke> rvr, but I assume you need it back porting to something older for the phones?
[09:17] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/6767919/+listing-archive-extra
[09:17] <Laney> or https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/6767922/+listing-archive-extra
[09:17] <willcooke> ah ha
[09:18] <seb128> willcooke, speaking of which, would be nice to land bug #1549490 as well, we asked Matthieu for icons before xenial but never merged those
[09:18] <rvr> willcooke: Version: 14.04+15.04.20160720-0ubuntu1~~vividoverlay1~1
[09:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128, willcooke: just send you a status update on the LibreOffice ftbfs issue as its a long story by now. tl;dr: There is hope.
[09:18] <willcooke> seb128, urgh, forgot all about that
[09:19] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey! I retried build, it's hanging on s390x again, I asked on webops for the pstree log, wait for them to give it back now
[09:19] <willcooke> thx Sweet5hark
[09:19] <seb128> just saw your email, reading
[09:20] <willcooke> Laney, rvr - so we need a release for that overlay?
[09:20] <willcooke> that =  14.04+15.04.20160720-0ubuntu1~~vividoverlay1~1
[09:21] <willcooke> How do we do that?
[09:21] <Laney> it is in there
[09:21] <willcooke> oh
[09:21] <Laney> so what's the actual problem?
[09:21] <willcooke> rvr < - > Laney
[09:22] <willcooke> I'm not really helping here :)
[09:22] <Laney> I don't think I can particularly help either tbh
[09:22] <Laney> just saying that the thing you are asking about is already there
[09:23] <rvr> Laney: The merge proposal seems to have a later date that the package in the archive
[09:23] <seb128> willcooke, the bug I just listed, I think the issue was that you didn't know where to put the files, maybe ochosi or Laney can help there
[09:24] <rvr> Laney: Hmm... nope... 20160720
[09:24]  * ochosi looks
[09:25] <rvr> Laney: Ok, you are right. Thanks!
[09:25] <Laney> nope what?
[09:25] <Laney> haha
[09:25] <Laney> okay!
[09:25] <rvr> Laney: :D
[09:28] <seb128> rvr, willcooke, what was the bug description/issue and on what serie?
[09:29] <seb128> rvr, next time please ask on the channel directly rather than starting by pinging people/in some side context and moving half of the discussion there
[09:29] <rvr> seb128: I didn't know who was in charge :P
[09:30] <seb128> well, more chance to have somebody who knows in a channel than in a query to 1 person
[09:30] <Laney> seb128: it's the gtk theme not an icon theme, they are just in one directory which you just reference files from in the theme
[09:30] <seb128> willcooke, ^ what La_ney said about that icon bug
[09:30] <ochosi> yup, agreed
[09:30] <Laney> there are now @2 variants, so make it -gtk-icon-source: -gtk-scaled (url ('nonscaled'), url('@2'))
[09:46] <willcooke> kk - I will take a look this morning
[10:09] <willcooke> Laney, do you know if the assets in Ambiance and the assets in Radiance are the same?  I did a quick diff of random files and they /appear/ to be the same.
[10:09] <willcooke> hmm, also some of the new pngs have the execute bit set
[10:09] <willcooke> which I assume is bad
[10:09]  * willcooke fixes thtat
[10:10] <happyaron> seb128: I've pushed both master and xenial branches for the nm-applet, please sponsor when you have time
[10:10] <willcooke> cool, thanks happyaron
[10:10] <happyaron> the bug has been updated using SRU template btw
[10:14] <Laney> willcooke: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23067083/ some are different
[10:15] <willcooke> Laney, handy command, thanks
[10:15] <Laney> that might not mean they are really different
[10:16] <willcooke> I'll check those few manually
[10:16] <Laney> like someone could have pngcrushed them or something
[10:19] <willcooke> ah, the difference with some of them is that they don't exist in the other theme
[10:19] <willcooke> hmm, this is odd
[10:20] <willcooke> but yeah, there are icons in one that are not in the other
[10:20] <willcooke> good job you found them :)
[10:21] <Laney> Some of them are called radiance-blah
[10:21] <Laney> I assume those are meant to be different
[10:21] <willcooke> yeah
[10:21] <willcooke> I'll unpack the new ones over the top
[10:21] <willcooke> that should keep the Radiance specific ones there
[10:26] <Laney> Ya, it's smart to symilnk them if possible
[10:38] <willcooke> humm
[10:38] <willcooke> I expect the exit status of diff can tell me if they are the same
[10:38] <willcooke> then I could script it
[10:39] <Laney> I'd symlink the directories
[10:39] <Laney> and name the ones that are different for radiance with a radiance- prefix
[10:40] <willcooke> ah
[10:40] <willcooke> got it
[10:41] <Laney> reference for the @2 ones: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html search for "-gtk-scaled"
[10:42] <willcooke> ta
[10:44] <willcooke> Laney, so I should be using the pngs not the svgs here?
[10:45] <Laney> I should think so
[10:45] <willcooke> cool, I understand now
[10:45] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[10:46] <Laney> @2 is for ×2 HiDPI
[10:46] <meetingology> Laney: Error: "2" is not a valid command.
[10:46] <Laney> DIE MEETINOLOGY, DIE
[10:47] <willcooke> #startmeeting Laney's anger issues
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[10:48] <Laney> it was German!
[10:49] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[10:49] <willcooke> http://www.squareeyed.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-shot-2015-06-08-at-1.26.52-PM.jpg
[10:51] <Sweet5hark> Oh, good news: My hometown made it in the top10 of "most livable cities" this year according to the economist.
[10:51] <willcooke> keep that quiet, you'll have a load of Brits turning up
[10:51] <Laney> Huntingdon was on the front cover of Crap Towns 2 a few years ago
[10:51] <willcooke> :D
[10:51] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: well ...
[10:52]  * Sweet5hark wildly points to vienna: they are on place 2, Hamburg only made 10th!
[10:52] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: You say that like you are Bragging pretty sure Wolverhampton made both books of the crappest town in britain ;)
[10:53] <Laney> haha
[10:53] <Laney> such national pride
[10:54] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: The first book made so many angry they released a second to placate the people complaining that their town wasn't in it :)
[10:55] <Laney> time to plug my claim to fame again
[10:55] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: UK isnt in the top10 once. the english speaking world is still well represented by canada, australia and new zealand.
[10:55] <Laney> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/30/92/85/30928558c177115496f41a3632a17390.jpg&f=1
[10:55] <Laney> My picture on the front of the Crap Graffiti book
[10:55] <Laney> didn't even get a free copy :|
[10:56] <Sweet5hark> Laney: that pink is a lovely choice of color
[10:57] <Laney> the teenagers of the UK are nothing if not artistic
[10:57] <davmor2> Sweet5hark, Laney: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crap-Towns-Worst-Places-Live/dp/0752215825
[10:59] <Laney> :D
[10:59] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: actually english speaking cities still dominate: Australia: Melbourne(1), Adelaide (5), Perth (7) - New Zealand: Auckland (8) - Canada: Vancouver (3), Toronto (4), Calgary (5)
[11:04]  * Sweet5hark has no clue how vienna made place 2: they neither speak english nor german.
[11:14] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: it's because Joe Dolce Shaddup you face was number one and kept ultravox off the number one spot ;)
[11:25] <willcooke> oki, made a good start, will finish off this week
[11:25] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/hidpiicons
[11:25] <willcooke> now for lunch
[11:44] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[12:52] <pitti> Laney: gnome-keyring> nice work!
[13:01] <desrt> hi!!
[13:01] <pitti> hey desrt!
[13:02] <tsdgeos> is libreoffice-writer crashing in yakkety for anyone else?
[13:03] <qengho> 'Sup.
[13:05] <desrt> hey pitti :D
[13:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ^ see tsdgeos' comment
[13:38] <Sweet5hark> tsdgeos: not known yet, thanks for reporting. I assume you have libreoffice-core 5.1.3- something? and do you run some non-english localization?
[13:39] <tsdgeos> Sweet5hark: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1
[13:40] <tsdgeos> catalan localization
[13:43] <Sweet5hark> tsdgeos: I fumbled and we have libreoffice-l10n at 5.2.0 while having libreoffice still at 5.1.4 in yakkety currently. Im working on fixing that right now. You might be able to keep a working libreoffice in the meantime by using en-US localization for libreoffice as a temporary solution ...
[13:44] <tsdgeos> Sweet5hark: ok, if it's going to be fixed that's fine, i used my arch linux installation yesterday when i needed to use libreoffice
[13:44] <Sweet5hark> tsdgeos: really sorry about the inconvenience
[13:52] <jbicha> seb128: no I'm not uploading all of GNOME 3.22, just some of the apps
[13:53] <jbicha> and not apps that changed a lot either
[13:54] <Laney> pitti: sweet
[14:13] <Laney> pitti: what's up with bos01 amd64/i386?
[14:13] <Laney> it's taking autopkgtest jobs but they don't work?
[14:14] <pitti> {"message": "No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available.
[14:14] <pitti> this?
[14:14] <Laney> pitti: see log/bos01-7.log for example
[14:14] <Laney> I saw this happen the other day too
[14:14]  * Laney gets out of the worker
[14:15] <pitti> Laney: hm, maybe maintenance on its compute nodes?
[14:15] <pitti> there's just one i386 instance running, it should be able to create more, hmm
[14:15] <pitti> Laney: they should soon fail again for the third time and mail the logs
[14:16] <pitti> lcy01 is still AWOL too, meh
[14:16]  * pitti crosses fingers for lgw01
[14:16] <Laney> how come there are lcy01 and lgw01 buildds running?
[14:17] <pitti> oh, there are?
[14:17] <pitti> maybe lcy01 got rebuilt but we didn't get updated credentials?
[14:17] <Laney> looks like it from https://launchpad.net/builders
[14:18] <Laney> ERROR: HTTPConnectionPool(host='10.89.64.69', port=5000): Max retries exceeded with url: /v2.0/tokens (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 113] No route to host)
[14:18] <Laney> could be a changed cloud configuration
[14:18] <Laney> ah, I see the ping
[14:23] <jbicha> seb128: I was still hoping to do evolution 3.21.90 today-ish ( bug 1613291 ) after the qt transition if that's ok
[14:23] <Laney> this shared screen thing is annoying
[14:23] <Laney> :P
[14:24] <pitti> Laney: feel free to reattach and peek :)
[14:25] <pitti> Laney: I updated teh creds on wendigo and the cloud worker, cleaned up old images, and now building adt images for yakkety on lcy01
[14:25] <pitti> hopefully the timeouts went away now after the rebuild
[14:25] <Laney> I was going to poke at bos01 and ask #is about that
[14:28] <pitti> Laney: please do; I need to head out for some quick grocery shopping and then we have team meeting
[14:28] <pitti> Laney: yay, image building seems to work without a hitch now
[14:28] <Laney> woot
[14:28] <pitti> Laney: I detached; please let the current image build finish, you can open a new shell with F2
[14:29]  * Laney used ctrl-a, c
[14:30] <Laney> happy shopping
[14:30] <Laney> bring me back a Ritter Sport
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, k
[14:36] <pitti> Laney: oh, I just picked up two Ciabattas for dinner :)
[14:36] <Laney> nice
[14:37] <Laney> I predict falafel in my near future
[14:37] <pitti> Laney: perfect, image builds worked
[14:37] <Laney> nice
[14:37] <Laney> go turn it on!
[14:39] <pitti> $ mv lcy01.disabled lcy01.rc
[14:40] <pitti> $ autopkgtest-cloud/tools/cloud-worker-maintenance
[14:40] <pitti> Laney: ^ done
[14:40] <Laney> yay
[14:40] <Laney> pitti: thanks!
[14:55]  * Laney mangles unity-greeter
[14:56] <pitti> Laney: I think I'll still go with naming it just bos01.rc and renaming the worker-config-production/ file
[14:56] <pitti> Laney: also renaming on wendigo, so that the next rollout works
[14:56] <Laney> pitti: Okay, I guess it's easy to bring it back if the situation changes
[14:57] <Laney> http://nottstv.com/mansfield-road-closed-off-police/
[14:57] <Laney> guess I'll be cycling a different way to climbing
[14:58] <willcooke> Laney, my old halls have been turned in to flats: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/new-homes-for-sale/property-40978395.html
[14:58] <Laney> HOW MUCH?!?!?!
[14:59] <willcooke> IMR
[14:59] <willcooke> IKR
[14:59] <willcooke> My house cost less than that
[14:59] <Laney> looks like a nice building though
[14:59] <willcooke> It was great
[15:00] <Laney> I like that little circly place near there
[15:00] <willcooke> I think it's a reservoir, we used to play football on top of it :)
[15:00] <Laney> \o/
[15:00] <Laney> going to go around that way-ish to avoid mansfield road
[15:01] <Laney> need to get to the wells road, climbing centre is at the bottom there
[15:01] <Laney> such hills though
[15:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke, Laney: woha that looks awesome ...
[15:14] <willcooke> It didnt look that nice when I lived there :)
[15:16] <Laney> ruddy students making the place look a mess
[15:27] <Sweet5hark> hey, good news: not only did omnia book my train, they also did use my 25% discount card from Deutsche Bahn. return ticket for 100EUR now instead of flights for 550EUR (plus taxi and whatnot)
[15:28] <pitti> Sweet5hark: oh, they do that? I always book my train tickets myself because of my BahnCard 50
[15:28] <pitti> well, also because I want a mobile ticket and it's easy to book
[15:28] <pitti> but booking international travel is harder, so good to know they do that
[15:29] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yep, at least now that do that. also I was sneaky and asked for a train ticket as alternative first, and only later told then I have a BahnCard, can you book that with discount? hrhr
[15:39] <seb128> Sweet5hark, where are you going?
[15:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: to the heart of the enemies empire
[15:39] <Sweet5hark> brno, cz
[15:39] <seb128> haha
[15:41] <sil2100> Hey, anyone here could help me out debugging why my graphical session on 16.04 suddenly stopped working? ;)
[15:41] <sil2100> I can't log in and get Unity started
[15:41] <sil2100> After getting my credentials in on the greeter, it just stands there and does nothing, I noticed .xsession-errors getting spammed
[15:42] <sil2100> With an error (in my locale) something like: upstart: Error while starting the temporary process: resources temporarily unavailable
[15:42] <seb128> does another user/guest session work?
[15:42] <sil2100> No, the same thing
[15:42] <seb128> what is in xsession-errors?
[15:42] <sil2100> I had over 600 MB of this message over and over in .xsession-errors
[15:43] <seb128> urg
[15:43] <sil2100> Didn't upgrade anything, my system suddenly hanged and that's what I got after rebooting
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> on the bad news side: this libreoffice ftbfs thing begins to look very nasty. I suspect neither the test nor libreoffice being broken here, but something fundamentally broken on the yakkety-proposed. will write an email on this soon.
[15:43] <seb128> what package did you install?
[15:43] <seb128> weird :-/
[15:43] <sil2100> I reverted the unattended updates I did and removed a few unrelated packages I did install
[15:43] <seb128> Sweet5hark, :-(
[15:44] <sil2100> Not sure where to look for clues, this happened a bit unexpected ;p
[15:44] <seb128> sil2100, try to "initctl --user list"?
[15:45] <sil2100> hm, I get an error that UPSTART_SESSION is not set at the environment
[15:46] <seb128> I would also to ps ux > log twice and diff
[15:46] <seb128> to see if a process keeps respawning or is changing pidf
[15:46] <seb128> sil2100, right, if you are in a vt ... is gnome-session running?
[15:47] <sil2100> No, I didn't try to log in this time, but when I log in at the greeter, gnome-session is anyway not running (it's probably dying real fast somewhere)
[15:47] <seb128> try to strings /proc/`pidof gnome-session-binary`/environ | grep UPSTART_SESSION
[15:47] <seb128> hum k
[15:48] <sil2100> I can try logging in, was just worried about the spamming of .xsession-errors ;p
[15:48] <seb128> well same ^ but with a process from the session
[15:48] <sil2100> Since it's always getting dangerously big
[15:48] <seb128> :-/
[15:48] <seb128> but yeah if you don't try to log in you are not going to be able to get those info
[15:48] <seb128> or try to install wmaker or something
[15:49] <seb128> and see if login into that works
[15:49] <seb128> might be easier to debug then
[15:49] <seb128> like trying to start bits manually from wmaker
[15:49] <seb128> like gnome-session
[15:55] <sil2100> Ok, so no gnome-session and upstart is eating 98% of CPU
[15:56] <seb128> urg
[15:56] <seb128> try the ps diff to see what's being spawned
[15:56] <seb128> or gdb stop one and try to see what it's doing
[15:56] <Laney> gdb it and see what it's doing
[15:56] <Laney> woooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:56] <Laney> psychadelic man
[15:57] <seb128> lol
[15:57] <seb128> or strace -e execve
[15:57] <sil2100> Did that, nothing is spawning, just upstart doing it's 'thing'
[15:57] <seb128> well gdb or strace to see what is thing is
[15:57] <seb128> its
[16:00] <sil2100> Man, gdb says it's busy printing out the error I see in .xsession-errors, heh ;)
[16:01] <sil2100> Hard to say where this started, before logging functions pop up I only see nih_main_loop()
[16:02] <seb128> no process change if you ps ux > logold
[16:02] <seb128> then > lognew
[16:02] <seb128> and diff the logs
[16:02] <seb128> ?
[16:02] <sil2100> No process changes, tried a few times and only the running-times were changing, no new PID
[16:03] <sil2100> I need to see what that upstart error might mean
[16:03] <seb128> yeah
[16:04] <seb128> having the exact string would help to grep
[16:05] <seb128> you might want to try to start upstart --user manually on a vt or in a non upstart graphical session (e.g waker) to see what that gives you
[16:14] <sil2100> For now I found the error string I'm getting in the upstart source code, in init/job_process.c in the job_process_child_reader() function - but that gives me not too many clues
[16:14] <seb128> xnox might be able to help you?
[16:17] <xnox> hm?
[16:18] <xnox> how far back do i need to read? =)
[16:18] <seb128> 1 line
[16:18] <seb128> upstart error
[16:19] <xnox> sil2100, ~/.cache/upstart/ can have clues
[16:19] <xnox> check permissions of the home directory too
[16:20] <xnox> things dieing quickly and horible -> gl drivers missmatch? e.g. installing nvidia stuff on intel graphics and vice versa
[16:20] <sil2100> Too many files there, nothing super obvious
[16:20] <xnox> sil2100, ls -latr
[16:20] <sil2100> No package changes have been made, I even reinstalled nouveau drivers just in case
[16:20] <xnox> and look at the most recently updated. Like unit7.log and/or dbus.log
[16:20] <sil2100> ACK
[16:21] <xnox> also do you have things in /var/crash ?
[16:22] <xnox> sil2100, a good test is to try a guest session -> if that works, it's definately configs/permissions with the user account, rather than system wide stuff.
[16:22] <sil2100> Didn't work, the same thing
[16:22] <sil2100> In the upstart logs the only recent thing that makes sense is upstart-event-bridge, but it has no errors
[16:22] <sil2100> Let me check /var/crash, oh
[16:23] <sil2100> No, just some chroot-related crash from earlier
[16:24] <sil2100> Not sure what upstart was trying to spawn, it seems like some job process dies really fast (because of 'Resource temporarily unavailable') and just doesn't want to continue
[16:27] <xnox> sil2100, so in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99upstart -> you can pass --debug to upstart
[16:27] <xnox> then you should know what upstart is trying to launch / fails to launch
[16:28] <xnox> you can remove ubuntu/unity sessions from /etc/upstart-xsessions to not use upstart user sessions
[16:28] <xnox> but i'm not sure if that is at all supported or works
[16:28] <sil2100> Where will the logs be visible then?
[16:28] <xnox> xsession-errors as it goes to stderr
[16:28] <sil2100> Ah, ok, thanks :) Will try
[16:28] <xnox> i hope you do not have any phone/touch stack enabled
[16:28] <xnox> nor systemd user session ppas
[16:28] <xnox> or broken ABI things installed from random overlay ppas.
[16:29] <sil2100> No, this is vanilla 16.04 (almost)
[16:31] <sil2100> Let me do a reboot
[16:31] <sil2100> brb
[16:31] <xnox> ack
[16:48] <xnox> i guess sil2100's desktop didn't make it after reboot
[16:49] <Laney> haha
[16:54] <sil2100> xnox: hey, so I noticed something worrying when running upstart with --debug manually
[16:54] <xnox> sil2100, go on =)
[16:55] <sil2100> xnox: I would like to pastebinit for you but eh, give me a moment, don't have the tools for that ;)
[16:55] <sil2100> But anyway, at one moment I see that upstart is trying to register something strange
[16:56] <sil2100> It says job_register: Registered instance /com/blablbabkla... and here seems to be like the path to a crash file that I have in /var/crash
[16:56] <sil2100> A pbuilder related crash file
[16:56] <xnox> sudo rm -rf /var/crash/*
[16:57] <xnox> it's probably trying to launch apport crash popup window which fails to launch.
[16:57] <xnox> but i'm sure there are more problems than just that.
[16:58] <sil2100> Actually that's it, it just works now - I was just wondering why upstart was trying to register that
[16:58] <sil2100> But forgot about the apport crash popups
[16:58] <sil2100> eh
[16:58] <xnox> I'll have to go soon and be a human racket for a bit
[16:58] <sil2100> xnox: anyway, thanks for your help!
[16:58] <sil2100> seb128: you too!
[16:58] <sil2100> I have my system back up!
[16:58] <sil2100> \o/
[16:59] <seb128> yw!
[16:59] <seb128> but weird, that was that file taking upstart in loop with gnome-session?
[16:59] <seb128> xnox, don't racket people it's not nice:!
[17:02] <Laney> right, night!
[17:05] <seb128> night!
[17:31] <jbicha> tiheum: ping
[17:42] <willcooke> night all
[18:08] <Trevinho> Laney: there's a build failure with new gcc because of Werror=shift-count-overflow in libappstream...
[18:08] <Trevinho> Laney: see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/279664815/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-armhf.unity_7.5.0+16.10.20160818-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz (only in some archs)
[18:08] <Trevinho> Laney: is that something fixed upstream and that we can backport instead of workarounding that in unity?