| nacc | rbasak: i think i got ubuntu/devel working :) | 00:22 |
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| rbasak | \o/ | 00:26 |
| nacc | rbasak: will talk w/ you in the am on it, i think i got barry's bug fixed too, as well as the isc-dhcp import | 00:48 |
| rbasak | Great! | 00:54 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:00 |
| infinity | pitti: Morning. | 05:13 |
| infinity | pitti: Kernel attempt number 2 in progress. Turns out that changing CC in the top level Makefile blows up dksm. :/ | 05:13 |
| infinity | dkms, too. | 05:13 |
| infinity | Qt will migrate today if I have to jam it in with a fork. | 05:18 |
| * pitti hands infinity some lube too | 05:19 | |
| sarnold | don't force it, get a bigger hammer | 05:22 |
| infinity | pitti: Witness the horror: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23066399/ | 05:22 |
| infinity | export SHELL=env PATH=$(PWD)/debian/compiler:$(PATH) /bin/bash -e | 05:23 |
| * infinity shudders. | 05:23 | |
| pitti | that's a curious ABI bump | 05:23 |
| pitti | 9034 → 9134? | 05:23 |
| infinity | pitti: 34.53 matches the xenial source. | 05:23 |
| pitti | using gcc 6 instead of 5 changes ABI? | 05:23 |
| infinity | pitti: 90/91 was me making the ABI not clash with xenial. | 05:23 |
| pitti | ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-5 debian/compiler/gcc | 05:24 |
| pitti | elegant! *cough* | 05:24 |
| infinity | pitti: No, not actually an ABI change, but ABI == package name, they have to be unique these days for other reasons (signed modules, for one) | 05:24 |
| infinity | The days of ABI tracking are dead. Unless we move to using a central signing key for modules. | 05:25 |
| infinity | But for now, because of the baked in ephemeral key, every kernel needs to be a unique "abi". | 05:25 |
| infinity | pitti: And yes, "elegant". :P | 05:25 |
| infinity | pitti: Though, I might clean it up and propose something similar but more robust for compiler switching. Specifying CC breaks some of upstream's Makefiles (a joyous bug I won't bother hunting down), and changing CC in the top level Makefile breaks installed kbuild (ie: dkms), so... | 05:26 |
| pitti | sergiusens: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#snapcraft test fails | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | pitti: BTW, with upstart user sessions, dbus-launh would launch an application in a new session or something such that the new application was unaware of other applications. With the new systemd/dbus-user-session, that and unsetting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS no longer work. Do you know how I can do this? | 06:48 |
| pitti | Unit193: that's not the same -- dbus-launch starts a new (local) bus and sets D_S_B_A to *that* address; that should continue to work as before | 06:50 |
| pitti | Unit193: *unsetting* D_S_B_A will just make applications use the builtin $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus default | 06:50 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, neither are working now as a workaround. | 06:51 |
| pitti | neither of this is a function of how you start the session -- most probably this changed with installing dbus-user-session | 06:51 |
| Unit193 | I figured it was from dbus-user-session, aye. But clearly I don't know dbus magic. :) | 06:51 |
| pitti | what are you tryign to do? | 06:51 |
| Unit193 | There's a workaround to get dropbox to show up correctly, but it's to force it out of indicator-application and use its trayicon, otherwise you get an IMAGENOTFOUND icon and a non-functioning menu. | 06:53 |
| pitti | Unit193: and "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=invalid dropbox" doesn't work? I tried "dbus-launch --exit-with-session d-feet" and that runs in its own private session bus world as expected | 06:55 |
| Unit193 | pitti: Correct. | 06:56 |
| pitti | I figure actually launching a new bus is moot as dropbox then can't communicate with anything else anyway -- so just using an invalid address is simpler | 06:58 |
| Unit193 | pitti: Eh, I'll just nuke XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for now instead I guess. | 07:02 |
| pitti | Unit193: that's much worse, but if you know what you are doing, sure :) | 07:02 |
| Unit193 | pitti: Dropbox is entirely weird, it has /usr/bin/dropbox, which launches ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd, which launches another script, which finally launches the actual process. If I set the env in the uppermost script, I should still get a functional dropbox without breaking too much, I'd think. | 07:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: FYI, I just committed http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ddeb-retriever/trunk/revision/171 to ignore wily as a supported release; this should hopefully stop the cron spam | 07:04 |
| pitti | (not sure why it can't be marked as obsolete yet, but I suppose there are reasons) | 07:05 |
| infinity | pitti: There's a reason, it's just my TODO list being too long, and some things I need to clean up before I disable it. | 07:11 |
| infinity | pitti: Sorry it was causing backscatter. | 07:11 |
| pitti | infinity: no problem, it's an easy enough workaround | 07:13 |
| pitti | cjwatson, infinity: is there some way to find out what pulls p3-lp into standard now? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/priority-mismatches.txt | 07:37 |
| pitti | this will affect containers as well, and might not be intended | 07:37 |
| pitti | oh, I think update-manager-core (in standard seed) → python3-update-manager → python3-launchpadlib | 07:41 |
| pitti | but python-launchpadlib has been optional forever, even in xenial | 07:41 |
| pitti | ok, that came from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/275354292/update-manager_1%3A16.10.2_1%3A16.10.3.diff.gz | 07:42 |
| pitti | "Attempt to retrieve Changelogs from PPA sources" | 07:43 |
| tsdgeos | is libreoffice-writer crashing in yakkety for anyone else? | 08:01 |
| jibel | doko, hey, could you help with bug 1613602 to understand where the problem is, if it's libc or something else? | 08:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1613602 in Canonical System Image "repowerd crashes on xenial/arm64" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613602 | 08:15 |
| jibel | doko, alf and vicamo can provide more info if needed | 08:15 |
| mwhudson | how do i see the default gcc flags? (i.e. the place where pie got turned on for s390x in 16.04) | 08:22 |
| juliank | I feel like the arm64 build is going weird, it's printing "INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (apt-transport-https) ..." since a minute or so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/1.3~rc2ubuntu1/+build/10631459 | 08:24 |
| brendand | has anyone been using the nose-subunit plugin successfully recently? my attempts to install it have been underwhelming | 08:24 |
| juliank | I guess I'll restart the build and hope for more luck this time | 08:25 |
| juliank | Hmm, now it's cancelling stuff since a minute or so | 08:30 |
| juliank | well, seems to have been cancelled. retrying now. let's hope it works better this time ... | 08:32 |
| doko | jibel: glibc should be infinity's expertise. but I can have a look tomorrow | 08:57 |
| doko | mwhudson, compile and link a helloworld.c with -v and look for the flags | 08:58 |
| xnox | mwhudson, PIE is on by default in the toolchain for s390x in 16.04, in 16.10 it's also on for amd64 and ppc64el. | 09:03 |
| doko | ahh, yes, we even have a wiki page documenting these ... | 09:03 |
| mwhudson | xnox, doko: context is https://github.com/golang/go/issues/16780 | 09:09 |
| mwhudson | which i think roughly speaking means "-fdebug-prefix-map doesn't work" | 09:10 |
| mwhudson | but only on s390x! | 09:10 |
| mwhudson | which makes no sense | 09:10 |
| jibel | infinity, any insight on bug 1613602? | 10:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1613602 in Canonical System Image "repowerd crashes on xenial/arm64" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613602 | 10:07 |
| infinity | jibel: Nothing immediately leaps to mind. | 10:08 |
| infinity | jibel: I can look more $later, but not sure precisely when $later will be. | 10:08 |
| infinity | Laney: The default gedit colour scheme has a transparent background. That can't be right. :P | 10:10 |
| jibel | infinity, that's fine as long as later != infinity | 10:10 |
| infinity | jibel: infinity would be an awful result indeed. The last thing I want to do is examine the same bug at every point in time. | 10:10 |
| infinity | Maybe that's what hell is. | 10:11 |
| Laney | infinity: Not seen that, will check on an iso or something later | 10:15 |
| infinity | Laney: I thought it might be a bad local mapping of old setting or something, but if you go to preferences, colours, and click the schemes/themes (which I would expect would reset any bad settings I have?), they all seem to work fine, but the top one has a transparent window. | 10:16 |
| infinity | And the top is, I assume, also the default. It is here anyway. | 10:16 |
| infinity | Laney: Also an entertaining menu re-rendering bug (which I'm guessing is the theme's fault?) where hilighting a menu item makes the menu grow in size slightly... | 10:18 |
| Laney | It looks right on a live session :( | 10:18 |
| Laney | Yes, that one is known | 10:18 |
| infinity | Laney: Hrm. The gedit thing is fine in live? Great. I'll try a fresh profile at some point, but if it's an upgrade bug, that's icky. | 10:19 |
| Laney | https://trello.com/c/EXpA6lKW/8-look-into-gtk-3-20 | 10:19 |
| Laney | Those are my known issues | 10:19 |
| infinity | Laney: Handy. I'll keep that card open and only bug you when something is either not there or listed fixed and clearly not. :) | 10:20 |
| Laney | Try gedit in a guest session | 10:20 |
| Laney | Maybe something's held back pre-3.20 or whatever | 10:20 |
| infinity | Laney: Guest session is fine. | 10:29 |
| infinity | Laney: Which implies an upgrade bug. But I haven't exactly customized gedit or anything. I only use it for quick throwaway notes. | 10:29 |
| Laney | infinity: Meh, keep the bug around and let me see it when we're next in the same place | 10:35 |
| xnox | Mirv, i'm getting QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR set to NOTFOUND building against Qt4 in calligra | 10:36 |
| xnox | never mind, i have qt5 installed as well. | 10:37 |
| Mirv | ok | 10:38 |
| Mirv | calligra is removed from Debian it seems | 10:38 |
| xnox | it's not. | 10:39 |
| xnox | it's in unstable. | 10:39 |
| xnox | but yeah, it is not in a nice state at the moment. | 10:40 |
| Mirv | correct, just looking regarding release. it seems there's some 2.9 packaging in there but not finished or touched since 2015. | 10:40 |
| Mirv | (I was mostly curious there is still some software using Qt 4 which should be on its way out) | 10:40 |
| xnox | ubuntu is on 2.9 series | 10:40 |
| xnox | i wonder what happened. I guess libreoffice got better kde/qt integration and people gave up on calligra? | 10:41 |
| xnox | it is ex-KOffice, right? | 10:41 |
| Mirv | I think Calligra was funded by Nokia until... not anymore, maybe it's been searching for itself a bit and with less resources | 10:42 |
| xnox | ah, did not know about nokia funding | 10:42 |
| Mirv | so calligra was also more mobile oriented and was running on Nokia N9 as the document viewer | 10:42 |
| Mirv | but indeed LO is starting to cover all those corners now | 10:42 |
| xnox | anyway, i have an umbigious reference between "half" and "Eigen::half_impl::half" to fix. Silly OpenEXR not using a namespace. | 10:43 |
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| mdeslaur | slangasek: I'm going to need some help from someone to figure out why libgcrypt20 isn't building on armhf anymore in xenial: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/10628823 | 11:53 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: unfortunately, it's an urgent update | 11:53 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: could you please tell me who I can ask? | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | does anyone else see apparmor hangs in 16.04 upgrades today ? | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | i see a kernel oops during the apparmor package postinst on two 16.04 machines i upgraded today | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | involving an uncloseable update-manager too | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | bug 1614459 | 12:00 |
| ubottu | bug 1614459 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "daily upgrade on 16.04 hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614459 | 12:00 |
| infinity | cjwatson: What conclusion did we draw the last time we talked about alignment on armhf on arm64 kernels? | 12:02 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Looks like mdeslaur is seeing SIGBUSes in libgcrypt that (presumably) were being fixed up or ignored before. :/ | 12:03 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: fixed up by what? | 12:04 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: Anyhow, short story, gcrypt has alignment bugs. Long story, it seems our armv7 kernels were fixing those up instead of throwing bus errors, and our arm64 kernels aren't (or can't). | 12:04 |
| mdeslaur | oh, huh | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | SRU team ... see above bug please (havent heard of anyone else who can reproduce it yet, but i have seen it on two machines now) | 12:04 |
| jibel | tyhicks, hey, can you have a look at the bug ogra pasted earlier? 1614459 it's a regression in xenial | 12:05 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: I'll note that yakkety doesn't seem to have said problem, so finding the commit(s) that fixed the alignment bug(s) might not be too hard. | 12:05 |
| mdeslaur | yeah, possibly http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libgcrypt.git;a=commit;h=a6158a01a4d81a5d862e1e0a60bfd6063443311d and http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libgcrypt.git;a=commit;h=1111d311fd6452abd4080d1072c75ddb1b5a3dd1 | 12:06 |
| mdeslaur | I'll try backporting those | 12:06 |
| Mirv | Laney: both http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-ui-toolkit and the -gles would be there now for the --all-proposed run of unity8 | 12:06 |
| Laney | huh, I thought I did it | 12:07 |
| Laney | lemme see | 12:07 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: It was probably a mistake for us to ever have kernels that fixed up alignment errors on ARM in the first place, but now here we are. | 12:07 |
| infinity | Those traps are super expensive, we were just hurting ourselves by not catching the bugs. | 12:08 |
| Laney | Mirv: there we go | 12:09 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: thanks for the hint | 12:10 |
| Mirv | thanks | 12:11 |
| Laney | huh | 12:13 |
| Laney | it's disappeared | 12:13 |
| Laney | https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/amd64/u/unity8/20160818_121007@/log.gz | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1516331 | 12:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1516331 in launchpad-buildd "please set /proc/cpu/alignment=4 on Launchpad ARM buildd kernels" [Undecided,New] | 12:16 |
| Mirv | Laney: indeed I still don't see them at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-unity8 | 12:16 |
| cjwatson | infinity: Steve explicitly wanted us there to do more raising of SIGBUS, which at the time seemed to be not a thing on arm64 kernels, but maybe that is in fact a thing now, in which case "yay" as far as that bug is concerned | 12:16 |
| Laney | Mirv: Some kernel uninstallability, looks like things are publishing out | 12:17 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Well, mdeslaur was sigbusing all over the place, so it definitely seems to be a thing. | 12:31 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I think what's not a thing is the config that does alignment fixups. I think. | 12:31 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Although, that indeed contradicts the bug comments. Hrm. | 12:33 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Oh! But your test was an armv8 binary. mdeslaur's sigbussery was armv7 on arm64. | 12:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: From this, I would conclude that armv8 allows and fixes unaligned access, but v7-on-64 raises a sigbus. Maybe. | 12:35 |
| infinity | Ish. | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | Ah, could be. Either way it's apparently what we wanted for more reliable behaviour with phones. | 12:35 |
| infinity | cjwatson: If you can prove the truth of my conclusion, I think you can close Steve's bug as Fix Released By Accident. | 12:37 |
| xnox | Mirv, is qml working correctly on powerpc - a harmless test fails to work https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biometryd/0.0.1+16.10.20160628-0ubuntu3 | 13:04 |
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| caribou | infinity: mdeslaur: I'm working on building statically linked pam-winbind & libnss-winbind as suggested for LP: #1584485 | 13:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1584485 in samba (Ubuntu) "Upgrading samba to latest security fixes together with winbind in nsswitch.conf can harm entire OS" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584485 | 13:37 |
| caribou | infinity: building them statically brings a bunch of crtbeginT.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__TMC_END__' that seems to be fixed by using -static-libgcc | 13:38 |
| caribou | infinity: should I just iteratively identify each one that fails & add the flag or there is a more direct approach ? | 13:38 |
| Mirv | xnox: no, 32-bit powerpc has problems that are tagged with powerpc https://is.gd/9FnqIR | 13:39 |
| infinity | caribou: I'm not sure I have much advice, I don't tend to do much static linking. | 13:41 |
| caribou | infinity: well, I'll keep on the iterative approach if the number of modification is small (not many so far) | 13:42 |
| infinity | caribou: If you've got the time, I'd recommend trying to do it in a suitably upstreamable way, so the build can just be done with --static-winbind or some such. We may be the first to notice the problem, but it really should bite anyone. | 13:43 |
| infinity | (In fact, I'd suggest that --static-winbind be the default, for that reason) | 13:43 |
| caribou | infinity: ok, will keep that in mind once I get something building | 13:44 |
| infinity | caribou: Not critical for the SRU or anything, but would be nice to push something upstream so we don't have to maintain a delta, that's all. | 13:44 |
| caribou | infinity: should be feasible with some waf hacking | 13:45 |
| infinity | caribou: It might be enough to extend the NONSHARED bit in buildtools/wafsamba/samba_deps.py to allow type BINARY and type LIBRARY, and then tweak it a bit, then one can do --nonshared-binary=nss_winbind or some such. | 13:52 |
| infinity | caribou: But that's my naive poke ater 5 minutes of grepping. :) | 13:53 |
| caribou | infinity: ok will look at that too | 13:53 |
| infinity | caribou: How did this end up in your lap? :P | 13:56 |
| caribou | infinity: took it over from a colleague | 13:56 |
| mdeslaur | caribou: did he quit? I'd consider quitting too if that was on my lap :) | 13:57 |
| caribou | mdeslaur: :D | 13:57 |
| caribou | mdeslaur: that's how one builds experience in build weirdiness I suppose | 13:58 |
| xnox | Mirv, ack. Do you want a bug open about it + upload that skips that one test on powerpc? | 13:59 |
| xnox | (fro biometryd) | 13:59 |
| infinity | xnox: Looks like they're tacking "skip tests on ppc" bugs on to that master bug as tasks. | 14:00 |
| * xnox looks again | 14:00 | |
| infinity | A one-stop shop to reopen them all after the Qt bug is fixed, I guess. | 14:00 |
| tyhicks | ogra_, jibel: the apparmor oops was a known bug that only affected a handlful of people | 14:13 |
| tyhicks | ogra_, jibel: unfortunately, the apparmor package SRU is causing it to happen to a lot more people now because the update process triggers a profile reload :/ | 14:13 |
| tyhicks | ogra_, jibel: I've duped your bug to bug #1579135 - jjohansen has a proposed fix and any testing of the kernel mentioned in comment #27 would be appreciated | 14:14 |
| jibel | tyhicks, so what is the plan of action? | 14:14 |
| ubottu | bug 1579135 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "AppArmor profile reloading causes an intermittent kernel BUG" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579135 | 14:14 |
| jibel | tyhicks, okay, thanks | 14:15 |
| coreycb | arges, mind rejecting cinder and aodh from the xenial queue? I forgot the bug #. | 15:11 |
| arges | coreycb: rejected! *slams basketball* | 15:12 |
| coreycb | arges, lol, thanks | 15:12 |
| pitti | arges: he'll get the rebound, I'm sure :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | happyaron, cyphermox, looks like the network-manager-applet (1.2.0-0ubuntu2) and ubuntu3 uploads didn't get commited to git which made the 1.2.2-0ubuntu1 update revert them/drop them, we really need to sort out the nm vcses and standardize on using them... | 16:01 |
| cyphermox | word | 16:02 |
| cyphermox | just use git; that's what we agreed on | 16:02 |
| cyphermox | for the record, I haven't done an upload of NM in weeks | 16:02 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, yeah, those you did in may | 16:02 |
| seb128 | still there are missing from the vcs | 16:02 |
| seb128 | which makes happyaron's update he handed me for sponsoring today buggy | 16:03 |
| seb128 | happyaron, can you please fix the vcs tomorrow then I can have another look at uploading it for you | 16:03 |
| cyphermox | seb128: the git tree was up to date, I'm not sure what happened for stuff to be missing | 16:05 |
| seb128 | k | 16:05 |
| seb128 | let's see with Aron tomorrow | 16:05 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 16:05 |
| seb128 | I'm sure what happened is "git" | 16:05 |
| seb128 | :p | 16:05 |
| seb128 | the best tool to get things screwed up it seems :-/ | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | no | 16:06 |
| cyphermox | tbh it has happened a couple of times that people forget to commit or whatever | 16:06 |
| seb128 | yeah, but you said that it was uptodate | 16:06 |
| seb128 | so it means somebody rewrote the commit history or something | 16:06 |
| cyphermox | I think it's counter-productive to try to figure out who did what and where | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | aron will fix the git tree, things will be good | 16:07 |
| seb128 | yeah, that was mostly joking | 16:08 |
| seb128 | I just wanted to make sure everybody was syncing up on using the same vcs | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | yes | 16:08 |
| seb128 | seems you guys are | 16:08 |
| seb128 | so it's good | 16:08 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | np | 16:08 |
| Mirv | Laney: rerunning autopkgtests with --all-proposed still broken? | 16:32 |
| Laney | Mirv: nope | 16:34 |
| Laney | i386 done, amd64 nearly | 16:34 |
| * Mirv finds the correct entry on the running page | 16:34 | |
| Mirv | i386 was a pass, and seems amd64 too (qmluitests pass just visible on the running page) | 16:36 |
| Laney | Mirv: can you find out why the disabling didn't work and fix it please? | 16:38 |
| Mirv | Laney: yes, robru should be online now | 16:40 |
| Laney | ♥ | 16:40 |
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| juliank | How can I check what translation stuff was exported during the apt build? A tarball is generated, but it's not accessible; and the translation import queue does not have it either. | 18:12 |
| * juliank is wondering if launchpad exporting/importing of apt translation domains now works | 18:12 | |
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| nacc | powersj: nice find on LP: #1613982, I just reviewed and rejected it :) | 22:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1613982 in php-defaults (Ubuntu) "Date parsing has been fixed in 14.04, but broken in 16.04 again" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613982 | 22:20 |
| powersj | nacc, thanks :) | 22:21 |
| Unit193 | nacc: BTW, I think it's very cool that you're an active developer that keeps an eye out in #ubuntu too. Thanks. | 22:26 |
| nacc | Unit193: thanks! i try to be -- always hard with time constraints, though :) | 22:28 |
| nacc | luckily i'm mostly working on release stuff, so people's complaints tend to be relevant :) | 22:28 |
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