[06:36] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, I am a bit sceptical about pushing all those 3.21/22 apps to yakkety without having the matching gtk+
[06:37] <jbicha> ricotz: we should be ok if GNOME respects their freeze
[06:37] <ricotz> those can easily still receive some 3.21 specific themeing tweaks or even use some newer symbols
[06:38] <ricotz> *if*
[06:38] <ricotz> I hope they don't include some conditionals which would require a rebuild later
[07:21] <jovaro> Hi! I could use some help troubleshooting an issue with the power settings in Ubuntu-Gnome 16.04 for my laptop
[07:22] <jovaro> in the gnome-tweak-tool I choose under 'Power', Power Button Action: Interactive; When lid closed: Suspend
[07:22] <jovaro> But what happens is, for the button: suspend. For the lid: nothing
[07:23] <jovaro> are there some other settings somewhere maybe that influence this?
[07:25] <mgedmin> huh
[07:26] <mgedmin> afaiu when the gnome session is running, systemd delegates all power decisions to it
[07:26] <mgedmin> otherwise it has its own config somewhere in /etc
[07:26] <mgedmin> I'm running ubuntu-gnome 16.04, and my laptop goes to sleep when I close the lid
[07:27] <mgedmin> power button I haven't tried recently
[07:27] <jovaro> I'll have a look if I can find anything in /etc/systemd
[07:28] <mgedmin> /etc/systemd/logind.conf is the relevant file
[07:29] <mgedmin> still, it should be gnome handling these things
[07:29] <jovaro> it says suspend there as well
[07:30] <jovaro> for the lid I mean
[07:30] <jovaro> but there is also LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes. I am not sure what that means?
[07:30] <mgedmin> is it uncommented?
[07:30] <jovaro> ah no, everything there is commented
[07:32] <mgedmin> it means closing the lid will always suspend, even if some app says "please don't suspend"
[07:32] <jovaro> ah I see, thanks for the info
[07:32] <mgedmin> have you looked at log messages with journalctl?  what appears where when you close the lid?
[07:33] <jovaro> I'll check it out
[07:37] <jovaro> ok first the kernel says unknown key pressed
[07:37] <jovaro> and then systemd says Lid closed
[07:40] <jovaro> here is everything in journalctl when closing and opening the lid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23066632/
[07:42] <mgedmin> huh
[07:42] <jovaro> at the moment there is an external monitor connected, but the behavior is the same when it isn't (Suspend even if external monitor is connected is set to On)
[07:42] <mgedmin> here's mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23066640/
[07:42] <mgedmin> but I actually unplugged my external monitor just before closing the lid
[07:43] <jovaro> I'll do the same just to be sure
[07:44] <mgedmin> gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power says here:
[07:44] <mgedmin> lid-close-suspend-with-external-monitor false
[07:45] <mgedmin> lid-close-ac-action 'suspend', lid-close-battery-action 'suspend'
[07:45] <jovaro> Ok, the unknown key message from the kernel and then Lid closed from systemd
[07:46] <jovaro> gsettings is the same here apart from the external-monitor-line
[07:47] <jovaro> so maybe it is related to the unknown key message from the kernel than
[07:52] <jovaro> this seems to be common for HP laptops, reading a bug report now : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1574120
[07:52] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1574120 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Notebook doesn't suspend when lid is closed after update to 16.04" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:53] <mgedmin> interesting workaround in #5!
[07:55] <mgedmin> TIL about systemd-inhibit
[07:56] <mgedmin> amazing redundancy
[07:56] <jovaro> what does TIL mean?
[07:56] <mgedmin> two separate inhibitors for "multiple displays attached", one from my session, and one from the gdm login session that is always running in the new gnome architecture why god why
[07:57] <mgedmin> TIL = "Today I Learned"
[07:57] <jovaro> thanks
[07:57] <mgedmin> so if I understand things correctly, changing the "suspend when external monitor connected" switch in tweak tool does nothing
[07:57] <mgedmin> because the background gdm login session that also runs gnome will inhibit the suspend anyway
[07:57] <jovaro> true
[07:58] <mgedmin> amazing
[08:05] <jovaro> I'll give the workaround a try, that requires a reboot right?
[08:14] <jovaro> ok that works
[08:15] <mgedmin> it's a shame logind doesn't emit a "not suspending because <reason>" message
[08:15] <mgedmin> would make this sort of issue easier to debug
[08:19] <jovaro> now it suspends, with or without monitor plugged in, regardless of the external monitor setting in the gnome-tweak-tool
[08:23] <mgedmin> because LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes is default, according to the logind.conf manual page
[08:28] <jovaro> I am note sure I am getting it, so the option in the gnome-tweak-tool will never work because of the default value in the logind.conf file?
[08:29] <mgedmin> AFAIU yes :/
[08:30] <mgedmin> one of the reasons why it will never work is that
[08:30] <mgedmin> (the other reason is the background gdm session that issues its own inhibitions)
[08:30] <jovaro> wonderful :/
[08:31] <jovaro> I changed the value in the logind.conf file now, let's see what happens
[08:35] <jovaro> no difference
[08:36] <mgedmin> :(
[08:37] <jovaro> but with an external monitor, the computer shouldn't suspend right? Because of the default value of LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited and also because of the background gdm session?
[08:45] <jovaro> the workaround was to suspend even when docked, so systemd probably believes that the laptop is docked permanently
[08:47] <jovaro> mgedmin, do you have a /sys/devices/platform/dock.0/docked file?
[08:47] <mgedmin> yes
[08:47] <jovaro> ok, there we have it then probably
[08:47] <mgedmin> it says 0 inside
[08:48] <jovaro> I don't
[08:48] <mgedmin> in fact I have three dock.* directories, all of which have docked with a 0 inside
[08:49] <pchoo> Hi all, has anyone got any advice on installing Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 on an optimus laptop?
[08:49] <jovaro> I don't have any dock.* directories.. I'll google a bit on that
[08:58] <jovaro> mgedmin, could you check the value of /proc/sys/vm/laptop-mode ?
[08:58] <mgedmin> no such file
[08:59] <mgedmin> /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode says 0
[08:59] <jovaro> sorry, wrong -_ :)
[08:59] <jovaro> ok thanks, thats the same for me
[09:23] <damolima> How do I resize a "Movies" window?
[09:23] <damolima> How do I find the name / command of a program that uses a translated, generic name?
[09:26] <mgedmin> you can alt-rightclick-drag anywhere in the window to resize any (resizable) window
[09:27] <mgedmin> this is customizable and I don't remember what the defaults are; could be alt-middleclick-drag
[09:27] <mgedmin> could be super-{middle/right}click-drag
[09:27] <mgedmin> or you could grab it by the (invisible) border, just outside the window, where the mouse cursor changes shape
[09:27] <mgedmin> again, this assumes the window is resizable
[09:27] <mgedmin> Movies -- is that Totem or what?
[09:28] <mgedmin> re: 2nd question -- one trick (if you're not using wayland) is to run xprop in a terminal, click on the window, then look at the properties
[09:28] <mgedmin> WM_CLASS is often helpful
[09:28] <mgedmin> _NET_WM_PID gives you the pid you can then look up with ps
[09:28] <mgedmin> to get the full command
[09:57] <damolima> xprop wors, thanks, and yes it's totem.
[10:03] <damolima> Why would a window support maximize but not resize? They're not fullscreen so it cannot be a fixed resolution. Is there any way to force it to beP
[10:05] <damolima> Alt+middle +drag worked, THANK YOU!
[10:09] <damolima> ID still like to enable borders, I know "normal" CSS but not where in the theme to look. But that's less important now.
[10:10] <damolima> Sorry for being so slow to respond.
[20:45] <Furai> Hey, how can I debug ubuntu gnome dash? I have two custom installed versions of firefox, normal and dev one. I have for both dekstop entries.
[20:45] <Furai> But when I luaunch dev version it shows up as the normal firefox.
[20:51] <jbicha> check the Exec= line of your firefox dev .desktop
[22:12] <jcjordyn120> is there a ubuntu-gnome offtopic channel?
[22:13] <jbicha> no
[22:13] <jbicha> this channel isn't very talkative
[22:13] <jcjordyn120> oh okay