[08:44] yofel: akonadi Depends: akonadi-backend-mysql (= ${source:Version}) [08:45] should that not be? Depends: akonadi-backend-mysql (= ${source:Version}) | akonadi-backend-sqlite (= ${binary:Version}) | akonadi-backend-postgresql (= ${source:Version}), [08:45] or is just the one backend an intentional choice for kubuntu? [09:56] wow Linux Mint left their KDE version pretty vanilla for once [10:03] oh snap Kate got movable tabs in 16.08 [10:11] acheronuk: that's intentional [10:12] (until akonadi gets runtime available backends detection) [10:14] good to know. thanks :) [10:15] mhall119: RE: Canonical becoming a KDE patron - why KDE and why now? [10:27] acheronuk: where did you get the powered by Kubuntu logo? [10:27] https://www.kubuntuforums.net/image.php?u=30786&dateline=1467882511&type=profile [10:27] and can you get stickers?!? [10:28] new link? [11:02] ahoneybun: what you mean? [11:23] clivejo: that link does nothing [11:45] ahoneybun: Try this (you may need to logon to KFN first): https://www.kubuntuforums.net/member.php?30786-acheron [11:46] Oh cancel that. You meant the ultimate source, correct? [12:35] Hiyas all [12:46] I very rarely use that forum, or forums in general [12:47] Need to change that since my position [12:57] clivejo: http://amai-biscuit.deviantart.com/art/Kubuntu-Badge-345130672 [13:12] * clivejo likes that logo [13:30] clivejo: yep. seen a fair few stickers/badge designs over the years, but that is quite nice in a simple way === mgolden is now known as mgolden_ [14:04] * clivejo applauds @ yofel's nomination [14:05] short and sweet :P [14:05] right, so, where's yours? :P [14:05] noone will vote for me [14:07] * mamarley would vote for clivejo if he could vote. [14:07] and you'll have to vote for yourself! [14:07] arent you a Kubuntu member mamarley? [14:07] I don't think so. [14:07] mmmmm [14:07] you should be! [14:08] wheres valorie [14:08] How does one get to be a Kubuntu Member? [14:08] can you ride a donkey? [14:09] clivejo: I have never tried to ride a donkey. I can ride a horse though. [14:09] then you'll be fine :P [14:10] * BluesKaj recalls the th old saying by Groucho Marx. "I won't join any club that would have me as a member" :-) [14:10] but on a serious note ---> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership#Requirements [14:11] clivejo: I wouldn't call my contributions significant or sustained though. [14:11] you helped me out a few times, thats significant :P [14:12] I did, but what I did wasn't very hard and it has been a while since then. Or maybe my impostor syndrome is just acting up again… [14:12] you are selling yourself short [14:13] FWIW: we need at least another nominee, and if there is only one more, there will be no voting :P [14:14] so for the sake of democracy, can another two people please apply? ^^ [14:14] * acheronuk nudges clivejo [14:16] is Myriam standing down? [14:16] that's what she said she plans to do at least, unless she changed her mind [14:16] (that was a year ago) [14:16] oh [14:17] Is this for membership? [14:17] didnt realise that [14:17] mamarley: council [14:17] mamarley: KCC elections [14:17] Ah, OK. [14:17] you could go for membership and apply next year ;) [14:18] if I get on the KCC can I make myself a dev without the interview? [14:18] no, while the council owns ~kubuntu-dev, it is not a member itself [14:19] awww [14:19] clivejo: I think you should apply for KCC. :) [14:19] +1 [14:20] I mean, you *could* technically do it I think? But some people might want to talk with you if you do that :P [14:20] I like talking [14:20] just dont like interviews! [14:21] well, if the KC ever does statements, they get posted on behalf of the KC, not by individual members of it [14:22] * clivejo prefers to sit in the shadows [14:23] well so do I, unless there is really nobody else left that takes care of whatever comes up [14:23] anyway, you have a couple days to think about it [14:23] bbl [14:29] clivejo: we were invited to join KDE e.V. [14:29] mhall119: by whom? [14:30] Aleix specifically, but I understood it to be on behalf of the whole group [14:46] if one decided one would like to learn how to write programs for Plasma and KF5, where would one look? [14:53] clivejo: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtexamplesandtutorials.html perhaps? [15:40] Perhaps indeed [16:10] did anyone test digikam? [16:24] ok kind of noobish kwin scripting question. workspace.clientList() appears to pump out an array including id, but walking the array and trying to print .id returns undefined. what am i missing? [16:25] wxl: #plasma or #kde-devel might be a better place to ask? [16:26] **clang goes the portcullis** [16:26] Feature freeze in effect [16:27] and still hardly any of our stuff made it in :( [16:27] oh yeah great idea :) thanks clivejo [16:33] clivejo: it's possible QT/FW/plasma is about to migrate. maybe. possibly. if we are lucky [16:33] if something else doesnt pop up and set us back again [16:35] yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging/+git/dolphin/+merge/303412 looks reasonable, you any objection if I push it? [16:36] or are they pulled in elsewhere? [16:36] clivejo: well looks like much of it has vanished from update_output.txt, I wait with everything crossed [16:38] Look at this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+publishinghistory [16:39] It looks like all that crap is just about to make it into the main archive! [16:40] about time too! [16:40] mamarley: seems so :) [16:40] I still don't get how the last thing to hold it all up was a new kernel, but there you go! [16:41] (Does this mean we can get FW 5.25 and Plasma 5.7.3 now?) [16:41] mamarley: probably not [16:41] will have to fight to get apps 16.04.3 in [16:42] :( [16:43] Not even since Plasma 5.7.3 is a bugfix release? [16:43] maybe, but it hasnt been looks at yet [16:44] looked [16:44] depends if they snuck any new 'features' in with it [16:45] acheronuk: do you have Neon handy? [16:45] in a VM [16:46] could you find out what deps on ffmpegthumbs [16:48] 'neon-all' meta-package and 'digikam' by the looks of it [16:49] I wonder should kubuntu-desktop be pulling it in, or dolphin [16:55] tsimonq2: yofel: acheronuk: I'm not sure if I'm dreaming but the transition is happening [16:56] Mirv: Yes. Seems so \o/ [17:11] kenlive 16.08 is out! [17:11] \o/ [17:15] !info kdenlive [17:15] kdenlive (source: kdenlive): non-linear video editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1662 kB, installed size 6340 kB [17:16] clivejo: is there a way to help get 16.08 packaged? [18:01] ahoneybun: maybe KCI could build it for you [18:02] no idea how to use it [18:02] I don;t want to break things [18:03] http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdenlive/ [18:03] looks like both XX and YY are building [18:03] and in the green [18:06] maybe copy it from unstable into your own PPA and add that to your system? [18:07] mm I try it in a little [18:07] just find a inkscape snap! [18:07] and it works [18:16] ahoneybun: get anywhere with the installer? [18:18] ahoneybun: you on YY? [18:21] mhall119: so Canonical/MS were KDE's first patron and that relationship started in approx 2006 to 2012 when support was dropped for both KDE and Kubuntu, what has changed between 2012 and now? [18:23] clivejo, not atm I can';t get it to load the UI at all [18:23] acheronuk, I am on my desktop [18:24] is your desktop xenial or yakkety? [18:24] my desktop is Kubuntu 16.10 with all staging ppa's , laptop had Ubuntu 16.04.1 [18:27] !info libkf5iconthemes5 [18:27] libkf5iconthemes5 (source: kiconthemes): Support for icon themes.. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.22.0-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 83 kB, installed size 284 kB [18:27] * clivejo rolls eyes [18:27] still stuck in proposed [18:28] what is with the questions? [18:28] questions? [18:29] nvm [18:31] https://launchpad.net/~acheron/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+build/10639619 [18:32] need to add proposed [18:32] !info libkf5coreaddons-dev [18:32] libkf5coreaddons-dev (source: kcoreaddons): KDE Frameworks 5 addons to QtCore - development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.22.0-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 60 kB, installed size 351 kB [18:32] still frameworks 5.22 in archive [18:32] or let them migrate, as that version will be there soon [18:33] i guess [18:33] Im trying to copy the relevant packages to a PPA [18:33] but as usual the publisher is being slowwww [18:35] ahoneybun: you mean my questions to mhall119? [18:35] oh no [18:35] just curious, lot of talk about it all over the internet [18:37] is there? [18:37] clivejo: what are you trying to copy? [18:38] working set of packages to install kdenlive [18:38] oooh! on yakkety http://paste.ubuntu.com/23071193/ [18:39] oh good lord [18:39] Ive gone blind [18:39] finally? [18:40] * clivejo hi fives acheronuk and santa_ [18:40] :D [18:40] o/ [18:40] some packages are pushed to the repos now? [18:40] yofel: we have some migration! [18:41] sweet [18:41] python3-pyqt5 (5.6+dfsg-1build1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 => 5.7+dfsg-1) ? [18:41] awesome work everyone [18:42] mm can't connect to KCI [18:42] before you get your hands into fw 5.25 remember that I have some pending patches to fix ftbfs'es [18:43] they should probably go into kubuntu_unstable [18:44] I think they should go into _archive followed by an archive upload, otherwise you are going to release 5 frameworks which will fail to build [18:44] you'll have to speak to yofel about that [18:44] I dont have upload rights [18:45] sure [18:45] santa_: have you worked on an archive sync script? [18:45] btw, clivejo have you seen my kde4libs merge request? it's very important [18:46] not sure what you mean exactly with "archive sync script" [18:46] something to sync git with whatever it is in the archive? [18:47] if that's the question no [18:47] to check that what we have in git (ie kubuntu_yakkety_archive) matches what is in the archive [18:47] aha, no I don't have that [18:47] last thing I worked on KA was the bumping system fixes and the overrides feature [18:47] by the way, talking about that [18:48] staging upload seems to do some kind of check [18:48] some build depends where wrongly bumped due to that apps map updating issue [18:49] oh? [18:49] so the way they are some pacages *might* fail to build if you din't get lucky with the build order [18:50] so they are 2 possible ways to deal with it [18:50] a) cheap solution - keep them as they are and re-bump and re-upload whatever fails [18:50] santa_: BTW, the KA 'new-release' script is another that assumes you are running in 'packagename/git/', and fails if you are not [18:51] acheronuk: I know, I didn't change that yet because I have some plans for that which I would like to discuss calmly once I get my work3 branch merged into master [18:52] b) premium solution - re-bump build depends in applications and re-upload to the ppa [18:55] do you a list of the packages affected? [18:55] clivejo, sounds like unixstickers are cleared to make them [18:55] just need to get them to do it [18:56] clivejo: I have a list of packages which *might* fail to build, they are 19 or so [19:02] santa_: it will depend on what version yofel wants to ship in Yakkety [19:04] probably 5.25 - it'll need an FFE though, and comes after apps and digikam [19:04] if stick with current packaging, then we will have to patch [19:04] yofel: o/ [19:04] the bugfixes can go up as 5.24 though, and probably should [19:04] if we go for new versions then we need to get to work fixing and opening FFE [19:04] ah yofel [19:04] speak of the devil and he appears! [19:05] yofel I'm glad you are here, may I poke you about the things I got on my table for you? [19:05] yofel: can we write that down somewhere [19:06] you may, I'm a bit absent minded though so my replies will be laggy [19:06] ok, first and most important one, the kde4libs patch [19:07] I made a merge request, it's a patch which fixes a bug which affects the exported ABI of the kdelibs so it's very important [19:08] ==> https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kde4libs/+merge/303245 [19:08] yeah, that one, thanks clivejo [19:08] -# SymbolsHelper-Confirmed: 4:4.14.22 amd64 i386 [19:08] +# SymbolsHelper-Confirmed: 4:4.14.11 amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el [19:08] -> huh? [19:08] clivejo, also need to know if that user who made that logo wants to share [19:10] hm, that preview diff doesn't look like what's in the commits... [19:11] ahoneybun: Licenced under CC3.0 [19:11] which means? [19:11] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ [19:11] Unixstickers is cleared to make them if they want to, according to mhall119 [19:11] yofel: keep in mind that I had to revert a symbols updating [19:13] not sure how you would give appropriate credit on a sticker [19:24] yofel: regarding installation of ffmpegthumbs, santa_ submitted a patch to have the dolphin package recommend it's installation [19:25] this makes a lot of sense, but its omitted from Debian and Neon have it in a meta package [19:25] o/ [19:25] is there a reason for this? [19:25] \o [19:25] I'm 99% sure it's fine. I think there were licensing worries in the past - and image disk space [19:25] hi soee [19:26] hiho all [19:26] clivejo: tere was a bug with this screen disabled i asked you to toest :) [19:26] *test [19:26] sebas tracked it down: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367490 [19:26] KDE bug 367490 in libkscreen "Disabling laptop screen makes it also external screen disabled" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [19:27] why did it work on mine? [19:28] you have the same size of screens or the bigger one was on the left side in configuration ? [19:28] external is bigger [19:29] located on the left or right side ? [19:29] I have the external one on the wall behind, so it on top of my laptops [19:29] ah so maybe this way also works :D [19:38] where is simon and his magic merger fixer upper [19:41] he simply runs git merge without dpkg-mergechangelogs [19:41] holy moly [19:49] that kdenlive built for what it's worth, and runs [19:51] clivejo: your earlier statement about Canonical becoming a patron of the e.V. -- they never were before; Mark Shuttleworth personally put up some money [19:51] might have something to do with Unity8 [19:51] just might [19:52] and while Canonical stopped paying a developer to work on Kubuntu some years ago, they have never stopped supporting us with infrastructure, etc. [20:22] Early end to my vacation :( [20:24] tsimonq2: doesn't sound good [20:33] what happened, tsimonq2? [20:33] we're happy to see you back, but..... vacation is good! [21:21] sgclark: sitter: would KDE Frameworks work if they were located in a non-standard folder in an application snap's install space? [21:22] like, /snap/kdevelop/x1/kde/ [21:22] instead of /snap/kdevelop/x1/usr/ where they likely are now? [21:23] without having to have that full path as a build-time prefix [21:24] I'm playing with the content-sharing interface, and it will let you bind-mount directories from one snap to another, but it doesn't do an overlayfs kind of thing so you can't share the same space [21:29] mhall119: possibly with some env magic. I am certain sitter is out for the weekend by now [21:29] Heyo sgclark [21:30] howdy [21:30] sgclark: I'm about to be as well, I'll give you both another ping on Monday [21:30] How's things in KDE land? [21:30] ok [21:30] busy [21:31] good busy? [21:32] ahoneybun: since you seem away from IRC, I need to see your new snapcraft.yaml before I can help you more [21:33] Yea my bad need to take my roommate somewhere [21:33] I can tell you that removing pithos-run broke everything [21:34] So I put it back and removed that config stuff [21:34] * clivejo points at ahoneybun [21:34] kitten killer [21:34] Left it building till I get back [21:40] ahoneybun: judging by the error message, I think you changed something more than just removing pithos-run [21:49] I think that config I did is not needed anymore [21:50] Since the new snapd update [21:53] acheronuk, valorie: uncle had to go home early [21:53] problems with his GF [21:53] boo [21:54] hi valorie, at some point we need to talk about akademy? when are you arriving etc [21:54] oh yes, I'll email you [21:54] cool thx [21:55] was kubuntu day set yet? [21:55] so confusing with all the qt stuff mixed in [21:56] clivejo: you going to akademy? [21:56] apparently I am [21:56] woohoo [21:57] yay :) [21:57] extremely nervous about it! [21:57] yeah my first was nerve racking, it was still a grand time :) [21:57] tsimonq2: A shame [21:58] havent been out of Ireland for a while [21:58] clivejo: akademy sounds a lot of fun :) [21:58] yeah my first akademy was my first escape from the states in over a decade, now I travel much more. love it. [21:59] it sounds it yes [21:59] it is a blast [21:59] have not missed one since [21:59] but Im bad understanding people speaking english accent [21:59] never mind strong german accent [22:00] I am getting used to all the different accents. in person seems easier than in video chat [22:00] not sure anyone claimed some Kubuntu time [22:00] we can't have a whole day [22:00] more like a half-day twice or so [22:00] we all tend to stick together anyway, so half day probably fine [22:01] I'm very envious [22:01] in a friendly way [22:02] next year apply and go :) [22:02] acheronuk: are you a kubuntu member? [22:02] not yet [22:02] apply! I see you put in work [22:03] I'm waiting out the 6 months [22:03] I am verey happy things are rolling along here in my life madness break. [22:03] cool [22:03] sgclark: where you based these days? [22:04] I had to move to Arizona, still in the states [22:04] I'm waiting *exactly* six months to apply for Kubuntu membership [22:04] I am considering a move to Berlin, we'll see where life takes me [22:04] (although I'm still an Ubuntu member) [22:04] oooo, how exciting, sgclark [22:04] hi tsimonq2 :) nice to see you here [22:04] o/ sgclark, how are you? :) [22:05] life is improving, so I can't complain [22:05] when I'm older at one point I might move to Europe. I like the timezones a little better. :P [22:05] that's good sgclark :) [22:05] ditto [22:07] yeah valorie we have much catching up to do, I look forward to seeing you [22:07] looking at the dates we have a day to explore Berlin? [22:08] at least one, yes [22:08] woot [22:08] can't recall exactly now [22:08] WHAT I've been gone for a day and a half and I have *514* unread emails!?! [22:08] woooooooooooow [22:09] yeah I gave up on mail, I simply can't keep up :( [22:09] I obsess over it. My inbox is always clean. [22:09] :P [22:09] wow nice [22:09] I get like 10000 a day lol [22:10] too many mailing lists! and update from a bizzilion project commits, and CI spam galore. [22:10] tsimonq2: you have the boundless energy of the very young, so can keep up [22:10] filtering works [22:10] acheronuk: except for when I get physically tired :P [22:10] yep valorie [22:10] yeah, I have tried. gmail hates me. and kmail is always broken it seems :( [22:11] but I have seen that you got the launchpad workflow going, that makes me very happy. [22:12] me too [22:12] I think it's coming together [22:13] clivejo: you apply for dev yet? [22:13] he should [22:13] nope [22:13] bah [22:13] you should [22:14] interview won't be that bad [22:14] I dont want to suffer the interview [22:14] lol [22:14] ha, says you! [22:14] well [22:14] devs are evil [22:14] it was dreadful, but only happens once :) [22:14] can't be worse than my degree vivas [22:14] baptism by fire! [22:15] they prey on your weakness and devour you! [22:15] probably be me yofel and sitter likely [22:16] clivejo: I think you will pass with flying colors [22:16] * sgclark urges clivejo to apply [22:16] I will gete to bug you in person in a week or so :) [22:17] * acheronuk hands clivejo yet another application form [22:17] sgclark: throw clivejo into a river for me, will you? :P [22:17] * tsimonq2 runs [22:17] lol [22:17] it would take a few of you to throw me in a river [22:17] into the Spree! [22:17] might need Harold and Phil too [22:18] just get ya drunk first [22:18] lol [22:18] yeah [22:18] not that there is much drinking at Akademy! [22:18] and tell me theres a bottle of whiskey in the river [22:18] Ill go get it! [22:18] rolf [22:18] I mean rofl [22:19] lol [22:19] you and Riddell can fight about whisky vs whiskey [22:20] Ill call him a twinkle [22:20] he'll call you a wee twonkle [22:20] if I continue to be around the Kubuntu folks in a year, hopefully I can convice someone to fly me out to Akademy so I can push clivejo into a river myself :P [22:20] haha [22:20] lol [22:20] poor clivejo [22:20] destined to be wet [22:21] we'll see :P [22:21] tsimonq2: I'll help clivejo throw YOU in [22:21] visit here, clivejo -- hot dry and windy here [22:21] 33 now [22:22] Im 6'2" and built like a brick **** house [22:22] hot hot hot here. [22:22] so on September 9th, I'll know how tall I'll be [22:22]