[00:33] <christel> daftykins: OOPS
[00:33] <christel> :D
[00:36]  * daftykins takes notes
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> lotus notes? :-)
[00:38] <daftykins> i don't think i've seen that ever!
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> i got a demo from high ibm rep in ireland... it was beautiful, elegant and did what it did very efficently.  i then asked what's the point of it? didn't go well after that...
[00:40] <daftykins> oops
[00:41] <zmoylan-pi> well the person i was assisting was a single person and had no real need of a database synced across multiple users, sites around the planet
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> they were using a database for that but were barely touching large parts of that
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> database for notes
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> they could have used a million tools for wordperfect document to do the job as well
[01:35] <daftykins> nn \o
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:05] <mapps> hm
[03:05] <mapps> im in Tarifa atm
[04:56] <mapps> this hand of god doesnt sem that hood
[04:56] <mapps> *seem
[04:57] <mapps> *good damnit
[06:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:00] <knightwise> good morning brobostigon
[07:01] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[07:40] <knightwise> Yawn-stretch-trycomealive
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:08] <knightwise> hmm.. just had a friend explain to me how easy it is to dual boot Ubuntu on a chromebook
[08:08] <knightwise> even without using Chroots
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy World Humanitarian Day! 😃
[09:16] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[09:19] <lornajane> happy friday :)
[09:24] <davmor2> JamesTait: Obvious really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PWk3i9WT-8
[09:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWP6Qki8mWc might be longer
[10:19] <lornajane> can anyone lend me a hand with a simple systemd question please?
[11:32] <davmor2> lornajane: ask if we can help we will
[11:36] <lornajane> davmor2: thanks, I think I got past the initial problems but I still have services that fail when they are started on boot, but start fine if I start them later on
[11:36] <lornajane> also I provision this VM with ansible and I am struggling to get the right files into the right locations but perhaps I'm close with that one
[11:38] <davmor2> lornajane: what version of ubuntu
[11:41] <lornajane> 16.04
[11:56] <lornajane> basically I am starting lots of services (a gunicorn, couchdb, some haproxy, a node process) on a VM and starting them all manually is a pain and I kept getting things wrong
[11:56] <lornajane> I thought I would be able to take those commands, wrap them in services and ask systemd to run them for me.  So far, it's not really working out all that well.  Possibly because I'm a developer and really not a sysadmin so there is much I don't know
[12:08] <popey> lornajane: is there a systemd specific channel maybe?
[12:08]  * popey shrugs
[12:09] <lornajane> I might need to go hunting.  I now have one script working and the others are just failing in a fairly non-informative way
[12:09] <lornajane> they start fine if I start them manually so I'm not sure if they are depending on something I don't have yet
[12:11] <lornajane> one working script at least gives me some idea that this thing does work and the rest is probably user error :)
[12:13] <popey> :)
[12:35] <diplo> lornajane: from the little i've done so far, journalctl can help you track down what is wrong with your systemd script, helped me anyone
[12:35] <diplo> You can make it more verbose
[12:37] <lornajane> ah, that might help`
[12:37] <diplo> It's definitely a learning curve
[12:37] <lornajane> I'm in a new job, everything is a learning curve and I kind of love it but I love it more when things work!
[12:37] <diplo> I gave up on some of mine as I didn't have time, but I need a parent and child processes triggered, luckily service script still worked so going to leave those till I have more time
[12:38] <diplo> Sounds like me! I'm supposed to be a developer now a days, but nobody knows anything more than they already know and aren't really willing to learn so it mainly falls on me
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> you need a bigger stick... :-)
[12:39] <diplo> hah, mine are in a different county! need to be a big big stick
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> a tele stick...
[12:42] <diplo> :)
[12:45] <diplo> MooDoo: you used to work for heart internet didn't you?
[12:49] <diddledan> interesting video from tom scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz6xOFWi4A
[12:49] <diddledan> his videos are always interesting to be honest
[12:57] <diplo> Recommendation for VPS ( incl Cpanel ) hosts
[12:57] <diplo> I know I do this about once  a year :)
[13:03] <BigRedS> You want cpanel?
[13:04] <diplo> I don't, but I intend to leave shortly and the other staff will need it
[13:04] <BigRedS> hahaha
[13:04] <lornajane> good exit strategy
[13:05] <diplo> I already run a VPS for the company on linode, but it's all manually setup ( documented though! ) but nobody else ever logs on to update and check it
[13:05] <diplo> So get a fully managed one
[13:05] <diplo> Apart from American sites the heart internet one seems best
[13:09] <diplo> hmm apparently worrying, heart still offer 10.04 for managed hosts, but it's EOL :/
[16:19] <diddledan> surprise? https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/powershell-is-open-sourced-and-is-available-on-linux/
[16:26] <xnox> no, anticipated and expected
[16:30] <ali1234> what does it do besides terminal emulation?
[16:32] <diddledan> first thing I can think of is adminning windows systems from a linux host
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> report every keystroke to ms :-)
[16:35] <diddledan> they tout their "object pipeline" which is a bit like stdio pipes but with extra stuff to allow them to be smarter
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> nothing worries me more than software trying to be 'smarter'
[16:35] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: at least it's not powering hell
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> true true, but i remember many moons ago my boss getting a new dot matrix printer with 'smart' paper handling.  the cursing and swearing, wailing and gnashing of teeth that printer caused...
[16:37] <diddledan> and that was just the printer, swearing, wailing and gnashing it's teeth...
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> well it was a dot matrix... if any printer can, a dot matrix can
[16:55] <diddledan> are any releases of ubuntu vulnerable to this tcp ack thingy?
[16:56] <diddledan> specifically: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-5696
[17:58] <diddledan> gotta love bbc: https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/766398447234625536
[17:59] <zmoylan-pi> the alternative was to describe it as what brexit will do to the uk? :-P
[18:00] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: nono, that involves the other door
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:54] <diddledan> features are frozen
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan for what
[19:57] <diddledan> err.. opensuse?
[19:58] <diddledan> maybe fedora?
[20:00] <diddledan> oh I know, it's slackware!
[21:04] <daftykins> tum te tum
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> ho ho ho, green giant
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <daftykins> i thought i'd give MS' server 2016 evaluation preview a spin, BSODs in vmware workstation :D
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> giving you the real ms experience...
[21:07] <daftykins> nah
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> it didn't touch your wallet? :-)
[21:08] <daftykins> you can get 180 day licenses for any of their versions for free
[21:08] <daftykins> just create a nice spammy outlook.com email, sign up and you get the download links :>
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> i have spent the evaluation period of ms software just trying to get it not to crash so that i could then use it for what we were trying it for...
[21:14] <daftykins> you must do things really wrong :)
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> the wrongest :-D
[21:15] <daftykins> i only dabbled with server 2012 R2 last because i may've gotten that role dealing with the mess that is hyper-v
[21:15] <daftykins> i'd sooner have them signed up to free vmware education licenses and things just work, but such is the way at times
[21:16] <daftykins> stupid staff politics!
[21:16] <diddledan> daftykins: I hate those Sods of Bee
[21:16] <daftykins> which specifically?
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> arbitary management decisions that make your job 10 times more difficult... i'm aware of their existince...
[21:16] <diddledan> ones that happen in vmware?
[21:17] <daftykins> oh i see
[21:17] <daftykins> i mean i could try it on bare metal but meh, it's only a month 'til final
[21:21] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a13-JbxC98
[21:22] <daftykins> you ought to start declaring what things are :P
[21:23] <diddledan> where's the fun in that?
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi posts the cat came back... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM
[21:29] <daftykins> client gets an email from one of his contacts where the attachments have been blocked, with the text "Contentcontrol has removed the following attachments due to policy reasons."
[21:29] <daftykins> he forwards it to me as if i'm going to help this guy resolve his IT departments problems :(
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh outlook... i used to just rename the zip files i sent as piz and the server didn't raise a quibble
[21:32] <daftykins> or he could even attempt to zip them - but yeah, i'm not their support so i'm not helping :)
[21:32] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you mean you piz'd all over outlook?
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> at every opportunity diddledan
[21:32] <daftykins> and it's not outlook but exchange server at their end to blame i should think
[21:33] <diddledan> aye
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> exchange is the culprit here i suspect alright.  i hate that with the passion i normally reserve for pocketpc activesync
[21:35] <mapps> hi;D
[21:40] <daftykins> lo
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> i never had diddledan down as a quitter...
[23:17] <daftykins> :<
[23:17] <daftykins> doesn't he know this place is like the Hotel California?
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> shhhhh, he's back....
[23:19] <diddledan> where'd I go?
[23:19]  * zmoylan-pi whistles nonchantly...
[23:20] <daftykins> The Twilight Zone crossed with The Outer Limits
[23:20] <diddledan> alright, so you're nonchalant, quit rubbing our faces in it already
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> with a dilly dally in the muppet show
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[23:21] <diddledan> daftykins: twiglets?
[23:21] <daftykins> :D
[23:21] <daftykins> i murder those things
[23:22] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remF2H383KM
[23:22] <daftykins> only ever seem to get those silly mini ones at Christmas though, i'd prefer the full size
[23:23] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoiu8_K-eZg
[23:23] <diddledan> there's zoidberg
[23:42] <daftykins> why not Zoidberg?