[00:00] <nacc> huadsat: you may want to read the ubuntu manual (iirc it has some stuff about this) or some beginner guides on the shell
[00:00] <huadsat> got it....I also get "permission denied" when I try to open documents with ./
[00:00] <nacc> huadsat: and / or `man bash`
[00:00] <Bashing-om> huadsat: Also 'cd' alone is a short cut to return to your home directory as the Present Working Directory .
[00:00] <huadsat> ok
[00:00] <nacc> huadsat: yes, documents aren't executables
[00:01] <nacc> huadsat: ./filename attempts to "execute" filename, that requires a) that your user is allowed to execute filename and b) that it actually is an executable :)
[00:01] <huadsat> got it
[00:01] <nacc> huadsat: you *can* do everything you do in the GUI in the terminal (e.g., xdg-open to open a file, etc.), it doesn't necessarily mean you must or should :)
[00:02] <huadsat> would it be "xdg-open filenamehere"?
[00:02] <nacc> huadsat: when you double-click, e.g. a document in nautilus, it doesn't execute the document, it goes and uses xdg-open (iirc) to find the corresponding application for that particular filetype
[00:02] <nacc> huadsat: yeah
[00:03] <huadsat> ok xdg worked...you said you "shouldn't" always use that...what can I screw up doing that?
[00:05] <core__> sfasd
[00:05] <core__> test   sry
[00:06] <nacc> huadsat: oh i didn't mean it that way
[00:06] <huadsat> ok....wanted to make sure it wasn't going to erase everything or launch the nukes
[00:06] <nacc> huadsat: i just meant there are some things that are best/easiest done in the terminal; i don't consider launching graphical applications to be one of those things that really teaches you anything about the terminal :)
[00:06] <huadsat> are these commands distro agnostic or if I try Fedora etc do I need to learn all new ones?
[00:07] <nacc> huadsat: and the mindset of 'open' being a basic primitive is a very GUI oriented one, not a very terminal-oriented one :)
[00:07] <nacc> imo
[00:07] <nacc> huadsat: i think xdg-open is pretty generic
[00:07] <paranoidabhi> hi
[00:08] <huadsat> I learn best by mashing buttons and exploring...I am finding linux doesnt work that way and I need to know specific commands etc
[00:08] <Bashing-om> nacc's opinion carries great weight :)
[00:08] <huadsat> so having to readjust
[00:08] <nacc> Bashing-om: heh
[00:08] <Bashing-om> !manual | huadsat Have you seen ?
[00:08] <nacc> huadsat: it depends on what you need to do; you can do a lot without interacting with the terminal at all, as well, I think these days
[00:09] <huadsat> sure...just trying to have a little understanding at least
[00:09] <Bashing-om> !terminal | huadsat
[00:10] <friida> 6666
[00:10] <YankDownUnder> huadsat: Nice tutorial => http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[00:11] <huadsat> thanks
[00:17] <bambams> Anybody know what the command for Ubuntu MATE's ssh agent dialog is?
[00:19] <lordcirth> bambams, run it and look in top or ps
[00:26] <murphy> if i formatted an SD drive as LVM and then updated the seedfile for restore to use lvm and group root would that work?
[00:27] <murphy> i dont have enough space on my intel compute and im trying to use lvm to span across my sd card
[00:29] <lordcirth> murphy, what restore?  clonezilla?
[00:32] <murphy> its the standard restore partition
[00:32] <murphy> its like how apple and i think MS does theirs
[00:33] <murphy> its a 2GB hidden partition with an ubuntu installer you can boot to if you kill your system
[00:33] <rehat> if there is no /etc/motd where would I find the file that generates the welcome message in Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[00:33] <murphy> normally i would just use gparted to wipe everything and nuke that partition to get the space i need
[00:34] <murphy> but im worried it has OEM drivers
[00:34] <murphy> there are files in /preseed and /install
[00:35] <mlvmhn> how do i set a password on a folder with pics?
[00:36] <lordcirth> murphy, this is an Intel compute stick?
[00:36] <murphy> yup
[00:36] <lordcirth> mlvmhn, ecryptfs
[00:36] <mlvmhn> lordcirth: do i need to install this program?
[00:38] <murphy> install has disk-recipe and preseed.cfg and  /preseed has project.cfg and ubuntu-recovery
[00:38] <lordcirth> mlvmhn, It is installed on mine, but I chose it during install, so I don't know.  But it's the ecryptfs-utils package
[00:38] <lordcirth> mlvmhn, you could also use Veracrypt
[00:39] <mlvmhn> lordcirth: k, but i just wanna set a password on this folder
[00:39] <lordcirth> mlvmhn, the only way to set a (usefully secure) password on a folder is encryption of some kind.
[00:39] <ksft> I can't log in to Ubuntu. When I try, the screen flashes, and it asks me to log in again.
[00:40] <ksft> I'm on 14.04. Should I upgrade to 16.04 before I try to fix this?
[00:40] <murphy> lordcirth: are you familiar with the compute stick?
[00:40] <lordcirth> murphy, not really
[00:40] <ksft> the tty terminal thing says "Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade."
[00:40] <murphy> me neither
[00:40] <murphy> lol
[00:40] <ksft> Is it easy to do that without a GUI?
[00:41] <murphy> its not bad for $40 us
[00:41] <ksft> is it a bad idea to upgrade before I fix the logging in issue?
[00:41] <murphy> 1GB ram and 8GB HD
[00:41] <murphy> you only get about 5GB HD though
[00:41] <murphy> because of EFI and PQSERIVCE
[00:42] <murphy> lordcirth: im just trying to change the preseed so it uses LVM and adds other packages from another distro
[00:43] <Bashing-om> ksft: Bad idea ., only carry breakage over . As much time and effort as you have spent .. why not a clean fresh install of 16.04 ?
[00:43] <lordcirth> Clean installs are good.
[00:43] <lordcirth> Tar / to somewhere and reinstall
[00:44] <murphy> whats the difference between /pressed/project.cfg and /install/preseed.cfg?
[00:44] <ksft> Bashing-om: I'm not sure I have an easy way to move all my data.
[00:44] <murphy> they seem redundant
[00:45] <lordcirth> ksft, reinstall or not, you should have backups set up
[00:46] <Bashing-om> ksft: One should have back ups of ALL important datae - else it is not important . Even a on-line release upgrade is not without risk to data .
[00:46] <lordcirth> Deja-dup is nice
[00:46] <ksft> lordcirth, Bashing-om: where would I back it up?
[00:46] <lordcirth> But of course there's a hundred utilities
[00:46] <lordcirth> ksft, literally any storage not connected to your computer.
[00:47] <ksft> lordcirth: I have some important stuff on Github
[00:47] <lordcirth> ksft, and the rest?
[00:47] <ksft> game stuff is mostly in the Steam cloud
[00:47] <TurboKraken> This isn't the most ideal place to ask, but I'm looking to get help with a program that opens an email and clicks 5 links then moves to the next one. Would anyone have some suggestions or a direction?
[00:47] <ksft> other than that, I guess I really don't have much other than maybe a couple gigabytes of miscellaneous files
[00:47] <ksft> huh
[00:48] <ksft> I guess I really could back it up easily
[00:48] <ksft> I should do that
[00:48] <lordcirth> TurboKraken, that's an oddly specific program.  Are you trying to find one that does that?
[00:48] <ksft> I will seriously look into getting an external drive of some kind
[00:48] <TurboKraken> lordcirth: If there is one to be found yes, but I would rather get help in learning how to do it.
[00:49] <Bashing-om> ksft: Backup plans are personal . Me I have 3 ! On system, off system and one in the vault . Have you considered Google drive or similar ?
[00:49] <ksft> I can't easily do that for the next few days, because of real life things, but it would be nice to be able to use it for that time.
[00:49] <lordcirth> TurboKraken, do you have the emails as files?
[00:49] <ksft> Bashing-om: I didn't think Google Drive had enough free space, and avoiding paying regularly would be nice.
[00:50] <TurboKraken> lordcirth: At the moment no. I have about 475-500 emails. I can get them locally but at the moment they are still in the inbox.
[00:50] <ksft> I can figure that out separately, and I would assume it's off-topic here.
[00:50] <ksft> can anyone help me fix the problems I'm having?
[00:50] <TurboKraken> lordcirth: I was thinking something with Python, but I'm still learning how to interact with things with python programs.
[00:50] <lordcirth> TurboKraken, the solution that immediately comes to mind would be to download the emails as some form of text, use a regex to match links, and open them.  Although I'm not sure why you would need to.
[00:51] <lordcirth> TurboKraken, if you're doing simple operations with text or files, standard unix tools are probably best
[00:51] <ksft> I'll try to back important things up before I upgrade to 16.04, but for now I would like to get the computer working.
[00:51] <ksft> I'm not sure how I can back things up before I do that.
[00:51] <ksft> TurboKraken: why do you wanyt to do that?
[00:51] <ksft> want*
[00:52] <lordcirth> ksft, why not, it's only your GUI that's broken, isn't it?
[00:52] <ksft> oh, good point
[00:52] <TurboKraken> I want to go through these emails and look for some links before I trash them.
[00:52] <ksft> I could use the tty thing to back it up
[00:52] <ksft> at least to an external drive
[00:52] <ksft> or if Google Drive or something has a CLI thing
[00:53] <ksft> by the way, is calling the fullscreen terminal thing you get to with ctrl-alt-F1, etc. "tty" correct?
[00:53] <lordcirth> ksft, each of them is a tty
[00:53] <ksft> okay
[00:54] <murphy> there no way to backup with dd and change the partition format when rewriting the partion with dd right?
[00:55] <ksft> do you really think I shouldn't do anything to try to fix the GUI before I back it up?
[00:55] <murphy> i would need to backup the partition, repartition it then extract the files to the partition instead of using dd?
[00:55] <ksft> I can't imagine how that could make it so I can't back things up
[00:58] <TurboKraken> lordcirth: Could you throw me something to look at or to get started with "unix tools"
[01:00] <Bashing-om> ksft: You know that the open source driver works . One can remove that OEM driver and have your GUI, No ?
[01:00] <ksft> Bashing-om: I don't think I know that.
[01:01] <ksft> Since I started, I don't think I've gotten the GUI working with any Nvidia drivers installed.
[01:02] <Bashing-om> ksft: Huh ? Yester evening you were up and ruuning on open source, then tried to install the driver from Nvidia and things again went South .
[01:03] <ksft> No, I don't think I had the GUI working with the open source one.
[01:03] <ksft> I might've had it booting, but I don't think the GUI worked.
[01:03] <kes0> Why not use the driver from driver manager, nvida, i always do and have no problem
[01:03] <ksft> er, wait, maybe I did
[01:03] <ksft> might be remembering wrong
[01:04] <ksft> How do I uninstall Nvidia's driver?
[01:04] <kes0> With driver manager, if you use ubuntu it shuld follow with installation
[01:04] <lordcirth> TurboKraken, grep is the search tool you're looking for, I think.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13611973/how-to-grep-for-a-url-in-a-file
[01:05] <lordcirth> ksft, you're on 14.04 right?
[01:05] <ksft> yes
[01:05] <lordcirth> I had a client at work today present me with exactly the same problem
[01:05] <lordcirth> 14.04, did an update, login loop
[01:05] <ksft> huh
[01:05] <TurboKraken> lordcirth: Thank you.
[01:05] <murphy> does setting a flag on a partition actually change anything?
[01:05] <ksft> how was it fixed?
[01:06] <ksft> I just tried starting Nvidia's installer again to see if it could uninstall it.
[01:06] <ksft> now I know it doesn't
[01:06] <lordcirth> ksft, I just switched it to nouveau, because he didn't need nvidia.
[01:07] <ksft> lordcirth: what do you mean by "didn't need nvidia"?
[01:07] <ksft> didn't need the official driver or didn't need the graphics card?
[01:07] <lordcirth> ksft, he didn't need the nvidia driver
[01:07] <lenovo_> test
[01:07] <ksft> oh, okay
[01:07] <lordcirth> He just did desktop stuff so there was no difference to him
[01:07] <lordcirth> So I don't exactly have a solution but I thought you'd be interested
[01:08] <ksft> I would prefer to be able to use the graphics card, but at this point, I'd be happy to get the GUI working without it
[01:08] <kes0> I use 14.04 to and switched from nouveau to nvidia and no problem here at least
[01:08] <ksft> lordcirth: you work in some kind of tech support?
[01:08] <bob_> hi
[01:08] <lordcirth> ksft, IT at a university CS dept.
[01:08] <ksft> oh, that explains how you're so patient here
[01:09] <lordcirth> bob_, hi
[01:09] <lordcirth> lol
[01:09] <ksft> lordcirth: How did you uninstall the nvidia driver?
[01:09] <lordcirth> I actually don't do helpdesk much, though I share an office with them.  I do server work
[01:10] <lordcirth> ksft, apt remove 'nvidia*' and take a careful look at what's on the list, just in case.
[01:10] <ksft> wait those are the proprietary ones?
[01:10] <ksft> I installed it from a .run file I got from the Nvidia website
[01:11] <Anthaas> Hi guys - I cant run sudo apt-get update
[01:11] <ksft> `dpkg -l | grep nvidia` currently gives no output
[01:12] <lordcirth> ksft, 'nvidia' is nVidia corp's proprietary official driver, yes
[01:12] <ksft> (that's how you're supposed to capitalize it?)
[01:12] <lordcirth> ksft, nouveau is the free & open source driver for nvidia cards
[01:12] <ksft> how do I get rid of the one I installed from the .run file?
[01:13] <lordcirth> ksft, yeah that's a mess.  There's a reason you don't do that normally
[01:13] <ksft> yeah
[01:13] <ksft> would it be a bad idea to install nouveau and hope it just uses it?
[01:14] <lordcirth> ksft, it wouldn't.  nvidia overrides if installed
[01:14] <ksft> oh
[01:14] <lordcirth> ksft, apparently, if you call the *.run files with --uninstall, they *try* to uninstall
[01:14] <lordcirth> No idea how well that works but try it
[01:15] <kes0> Anthaas: What happens?
[01:15] <ksft> yeah, I just found that
[01:15] <ksft> trying it...
[01:15] <ksft> now should I just install nouveau and restart X?
[01:15] <ksft> is it just `apt install nouveau`?
[01:15] <Bashing-om> ksft: ' sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ' Then pnce identified ' ./Nvidiawhatever.run --uninstall ' (must be cd'd to the directory/location).
[01:16] <Anthaas> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://apt.puppetlabs.com trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED [number]
[01:16] <ksft> what's `find`?
[01:16] <ksft> it gave no output
[01:16] <lordcirth> ksft, it searches for files
[01:16] <ksft> ah
[01:16] <Hydr0p0nX> how do I get a second iscsi lun to mount on boot? setting node.startup = automatic in /etc/iscsi/nodes/$target/$ip,$port/default seems to get reset after a reboot
[01:17] <ksft> is it just like `ls -r | grep`?
[01:17] <lordcirth> ksft, find is a bit fancier than that.  Most things can be done different ways.
[01:17] <ksft> ah
[01:17] <lordcirth> ksft, notice -name ?  That searches by filename, like that^ would.  But you can filter by lots of things
[01:18] <lordcirth> Anthaas, well, your problem is what it says: you have a Puppet repository added which is signed with an expired key.
[01:18] <ksft> reading man page--looks useful
[01:18] <ksft> so is it just `apt install nouveau` to install it?
[01:19] <Anthaas> lordcirth, What is the solution?
[01:19] <lordcirth> Anthaas, a quick search says to update the key: http://serverfault.com/questions/789327/update-apt-gpg-key-over-puppet
[01:20] <OerHeks> https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/CPR-317
[01:20] <lordcirth> Unless, of course, you're not using puppet anymore
[01:21] <ksft> lordcirth: How should I install nouveau?
[01:21] <Bashing-om> ksft: Under ideal conditions, if the OEM driver is removed ,, nouveau will become the active driver .
[01:21] <ksft> oh!
[01:22] <lordcirth> ksft, should be installed, if not, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[01:22] <ksft> it does seem to have worked
[01:23] <ksft> does primus or bumblebee work without an nvidia driver installed?
[01:24] <Bashing-om> ksft: Neither are available to use with nouveau driver .
[01:24] <ksft> is there something similar that will let me use the nvidia graphics card?
[01:24] <ksft> if not, what's the point of nouveau?
[01:24] <lordcirth> ksft, supposedly they work with "PRIME" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[01:25] <lordcirth> ksft, the "point" of nouveau is to let you use an nvidia card.  Swapping between an intel and an nvidia on the fly is a special case
[01:25] <ksft> lordcirth: can I just use the nvidia one for everything?
[01:25] <megaTherion> can anyone do a cat /etc/os-release for me?
[01:26] <_xor> Hey guys, what's a good distro that's basically a thin hypervisor host for managing/running guest VMs?  I forgot the name for those kinds of distros...
[01:26] <lordcirth> ksft, Yes, but I couldn't tell you how off the top of my head.
[01:26] <ksft> lordcirth: can you give me some hints about how to Google that?
[01:27] <lordcirth> _xor, honestly I use Ubuntu Server for that.  There's usually no need for lighter, although there is CoreOS, I think
[01:27] <OerHeks> ksft, some machines have a bios option, to disable intel and set nvidia as primairy controller
[01:27] <lordcirth> ksft, firstly, check BIOS
[01:27] <ksft> I did a little while ago
[01:28] <ksft> I didn't see anything obviously related to switching graphics cards
[01:29] <ksft> oh, wait
[01:29] <ksft> "Graphic Device"
[01:29] <ksft> the options are "Switchable Graphics" and "UMA Graphic"
[01:29] <ksft> what's "UMA Graphic"?
[01:30] <lordcirth> ksft, integrated, I think
[01:31] <ksft> so that's not what I want
[01:31] <lordcirth> ksft, so start here maybe? (adapting to ubuntu) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[01:32] <ksft> I think I'll look into disabling the integrated card from the BIOS more, unless there's a reason not to do that.
[01:32] <lordcirth> ksft, did you ever install nvidia-prime ?
[01:32] <ksft> I did
[01:32] <ksft> it broke the GUI
[01:34] <_xor> lordcirth: Ah ok, cool.
[01:34] <_xor> Well, I'm trying to figure out how to setup my current servers.
[01:34] <lordcirth> _xor, you may wish to look at LXD instead of VM's.  It's quite nice.
[01:35] <thekryn__> any nginx users in here?
[01:35] <_xor> lordcirth: I am :), kind of heh.
[01:35] <ksft> okay, I give up
[01:35] <_xor> thekryn__: Yeah, sup?
[01:35] <ksft> I'm going to try to do that thng you linked to
[01:35] <_xor> lordcirth: Let me get your opinion, here's the situation...
[01:35] <lordcirth> _xor, making the host a Salt/Ansible/Puppet/whatever controller, apt-cacher-ng, etc is quite useful as well.
[01:36] <thekryn__> been having problems wrapping my head around a configuration issue that im wondering if either a lacking feature, or just wasnt thought out correctly
[01:36] <_xor> lordcirth: I currently have three rack-mount servers available that I'm redoing with new OSs.  They're going to be for containers & VMs.
[01:36] <thekryn__> is there any downside to setting limit_req_zone rate to 1r/s to ensure that the lim_req's are always fielding requests
[01:36] <_xor> lordcirth: I've been using both Linux & FreeBSD for quite a while now, but more so the latter.  Most of my services will run fine within FreeBSD jails and that's what I'm going to set up.
[01:37] <_xor> lordcirth: I'm not against using Linux containers, but I'm not sure about CPU support.
[01:37] <_xor> er, sorry...I meant for VMs.
[01:37] <lordcirth> _xor, most servers for a long time will have basic virt extensions
[01:37] <_xor> All three CPUs have VT-x, but I don't believe any of them have EPT support (two of them are from 2009 and one of them is from 2006, all Xeons).
[01:37] <ksft> lordcirth: that page mentions running `xrandr --listproviders`, which it implies should list all the graphics cards
[01:38] <ksft> it says "Providers: number : 0"
[01:38] <_xor> Well, the issue is that FreeBSD bhyve only supports CPUs with VT-x + EPT.  The former I'm pretty sure I have support for, the latter I'm pretty sure I don't.
[01:38] <_xor> If Linux can do VMs without EPT support, then I'll just use that on one of the servers instead of FreeBSD.
[01:38] <lordcirth> _xor, FreeBSD doing what?  Running as host? guest? jails?
[01:38] <_xor> Host OS for jails.
[01:39] <_xor> The Linux machine, KVM can do Windows/Linux guests without EPT support, will be the server that will host VMs.
[01:39] <_xor> So basically servers 1 & 2 will run FreeBSD & containers.  Server 3 would run Linux & VMs.
[01:40] <lordcirth> _xor, makes sense
[01:40] <_xor> ...but I have to figure out which VM options require which CPU features.
[01:41] <ksft> do you think it's likely that if I upgrade to 16.04, the nvidia drivers will work?
[01:41] <_xor> I'm 90% positive that I won't be able to run FreeBSD bhyve on any of the servers (to host Windows/Linux/whatever guests), because it requires a CPU with EPT support.  EPT started with Intel Westmere, which was released in 2010.  The CPUs in these servers are from 09 & 06.
[01:41] <lordcirth> ksft, 90% likely
[01:42] <_xor> thekryn__: I'm not sure, but off the top of my head, there's probably a better way to ensure that than setting limit_req_zone to 1r/s.
[01:42] <ksft> lordcirth: oh, great!
[01:42] <lordcirth> _xor, still looking into it, but I think SLAT/EPT is a performance boost, not a hard req
[01:42] <ksft> I'll try to get an external drive of some kind, back things up, and then try to upgrade
[01:42] <_xor> lordcirth: Interesting.  Yeah, I was looking at it earlier, going to continue here shortly.
[01:42] <_xor> I don't really care if it's Linux or FreeBSD, just want to have the option of being able to run VMs when necessary.
[01:43] <thekryn__> _xor: problem im running into is that i have 2 location directives, one with lim_req burst 1, the other with lim_req burst 10,000
[01:43] <ksft> I know this is slightly off-topic, but are SSDs enough more reliable than hard drives to justify the extra money?
[01:43] <thekryn__> if i set the lim_req_zone rate to > 1, the lim_req burst 1 is ignored completely
[01:43] <_xor> Right now the servers are all running Windows Server 2012, which is pretty inefficient because most of the stuff I'm dev'ing/running these days don't use Windows at all.
[01:43] <lordcirth> ksft, the latest SSDs tend to be as/more reliable, especially for physical shock/vibration, but that's not usually what you get them for
[01:43] <lordcirth> SSDs are for performance
[01:43] <_xor> ksft: I'd say they're more reliable.
[01:44] <_xor> ksft: I have a few SSDs which range from a few years old to last year, and I've not had any problems with any of them.  I've had more issues with mechanical/magnetic drives than SSDs.
[01:44] <lordcirth> _xor, however, you should bet on taking one of them out of production for a while to test things, no matter what you do
[01:45] <_xor> lordcirth: Yeah, I'm going to live boot all three servers, check/confirm/catalog the reported hardware, & try to spin up a VM or two to see if it complains.
[01:45] <_xor> lordcirth: These are for my home / small office network, so no worries if they go down :)
[01:45] <ksft> okay
[01:45] <lordcirth> _xor, you may find the lshw command useful.
[01:45] <ksft> I don't plan to have to transfer data to/from them very often
[01:45] <ksft> well, it
[01:46] <lordcirth> ksft, how much data?
[01:46] <ksft> not much
[01:46] <ksft> is there an easy way to see the size of a directory?
[01:47] <lordcirth> ksft, du -sh /dir
[01:47] <lordcirth> disk-usage --summarize --humanreadable
[01:47] <ksft> ah
[01:47] <ksft> so my ~/Documents is 13 gisomethingbytes
[01:49] <ksft> some of that is stuff that really shouldn't be in ~/Documents
[01:49] <_xor> lordcirth: Cool, didn't know about lshw.
[01:50] <lordcirth> _xor, is is quite useful.  It takes a bit to run, so you should > it to a file and save it.
[01:50] <lordcirth> Then you can grep it at leisure.
[01:50] <ksft> so probably less than 5 GB of stuff to backup
[01:51] <ksft> I have sixteen copies of Factorio
[01:51] <ksft> lordcirth: anyway, why?
[01:51] <lordcirth> ksft, why what?
[01:51] <_xor> lordcirth: Cool cool.  Btw, you might be right, in that EPT is not required.  Just makes it faster.
[01:52] <ksft> lordcirth: why did you ask how much data?
[01:52] <lordcirth> ksft, oh.  Because you were asking about HDDs vs SSDs.
[01:52] <lordcirth> I didn't mean your current backup
[01:53] <ksft> lordcirth: what did you mean?
[01:53] <ksft> I don't *have* a current backup
[01:53] <qimo_> i need to upgrade my system to the 3.0 usb with my SSD drive. ready for the fast boot
[01:53] <lordcirth> ksft, you asked about buying an SSD vs a HDD, cost, reliability.  If you need 2TB of space, an SSD is unreasonable.  That's why I asked.
[01:54] <lordcirth> My storage server is 3x2TB 7200rpm HDD's in ZFS raidz, for example.
[01:54] <qimo_> Do they even make a cost effective 2TB drive in a SSD?
[01:55] <qimo_> I have a 120 GIG and havent even loaded a operating system on it yet
[01:56] <lordcirth> qimo_, cost effective?  Not for consumers, no.  There are 3.2TB 5Gb/s PCIe SSDs for server caches
[01:56] <ksft> lordcirth: what does "ZFS raidz" mean?
[01:56] <lordcirth> ksft, Do you know RAID?
[01:57] <qimo_> How many ISP's do you guys have? Im wanting to start my own.
[01:57] <ksft> it means something about hard drives
[01:57] <ksft> I don't know anything other than that about it
[01:57] <qimo_> Ive read a RAID setting in the BOOT I believe.
[01:58] <lordcirth> ksft, RAID in general combines multiple drives into arrays, often with redundancy so it can survive individual drive failures
[01:59] <ksft> oh, okay
[01:59] <lordcirth> You can get RAID controller cards, motherboards offer raid settings, and you can do it in software (mdraid on linux)
[01:59] <qimo_> Thats how you move data quick Lordcirth :0
[02:00] <lordcirth> ZFS is an awesome filesystem which does raid-like things itself, rather than working on top of one.  raidz means any 1 drive may fail without dataloss.
[02:00] <ksft> lordcirth, Bashing-om, everyone else who's helped me with this but who I don't want to ping because I don't know if it would annoy you and I don't know what itme zone you're in: thank you
[02:00] <ksft> time*
[02:01] <lordcirth> ksft, you're welcome :)
[02:01] <ksft> I'll be back soon when I've upgraded to 16.04 and still can't get the graphics card to work or have other problems
[02:01] <ksft> I'm very sure I will
[02:03] <qimo_> Anybody mine any cryptocurriencies round here?
[02:04] <qimo_> Need Quantum computing and im sure I could make some money mining for a few hours.
[02:04] <lordcirth> qimo_, that's probably offtopic unless you're having an ubuntu-specific problem with it
[02:05] <ksft> I just noticed that the graphics card thing in the taskbar is different.
[02:05] <ksft> it used to have "Performance" and "Powersave"
[02:05] <qimo_> Im having problems getting my hardware working with ubuntu OS
[02:06] <ksft> now, it has "Ondemand", "Conservative", and a bunch of frequencies too
[02:06] <ksft> 0.80 GHz to 2.60 GHz
[02:07] <urnick> hi
[02:07] <lordcirth> ksft, that's CPU, I think...
[02:07] <lordcirth> urnick, hi
[02:07] <ksft> huh
[02:07] <ksft> I had some reason to think it was the graphics card
[02:08] <ksft> that makes so much more sense, though, now
[02:08] <urnick> as I get better with computers I am realizing that computers are more important than humans. its just a hit to the ego, but will make me a better programmer.how did you all deal with that. I gues its just a process of me maturing as a programmer
[02:08] <ksft> hey, while you're magically fixing things, can you make DirectX 10 work on wine?
[02:08] <lordcirth> urnick, philosophy is offtopic here
[02:09] <qimo_> lol
[02:09] <lordcirth> ksft, sorry, no :)
[02:09] <urnick> lordcirth, okay sorry
[02:10] <qimo_> Can I get some links to the rules Mod?
[02:10] <ksft> qimo_: look at the topic
[02:11] <qimo_> ty
[02:13] <ksft> wow, that problem only took two days and eight new tabs open at the end, and I already have my computer back to how it was at the beginning
[02:13] <ksft> I think I'm getting better at Linuxing
[02:14] <ksft> at asking for and finding help with it, anyway
[02:17] <lordcirth> ksft, :)
[02:52] <WhiteWhale> i don't know if anyone is here from when i was having my NFS troubles yesterday but today I restarted and tried mounting and it worked the firs ttime.
[02:55] <lordcirth> WhiteWhale, that's good.  You should probably set nobootwait so it won't break your boot if it can't mount.
[02:56] <WhiteWhale> how do i do this?  i'm incredibly new to linux
[02:58] <lordcirth> WhiteWhale, you edited /etc/fstab to set up nfs, right?
[02:58] <WhiteWhale> yeah I added "[client IP]:/   /mnt   nfs    auto  0  0
[02:58] <WhiteWhale> "
[03:01] <lordcirth> WhiteWhale, if you change 'auto' to 'auto,nobootwait' then it will continue to boot if it fails to mount NFS, which you usually want if it's not something critical like /home
[03:03] <WhiteWhale> Thank you, I wasn't sure where to add the option since I just copied and pasted that line from another guide.
[03:09] <pushpop> any amd/ati ubuntu graphic driver guru's here?  I can't get my ati 280x working with steam.  Help is appreciated.
[03:09] <lordcirth> pushpop, what Ubuntu version?
[03:09] <pushpop> 16.04
[03:11] <lordcirth> pushpop, you need the open source "radeon" driver at the moment.  fglrx is not officially supported in 16.04.
[03:12] <pushpop> where do you find that driver?
[03:13] <lordcirth> pushpop, installed by default.
[03:13] <lordcirth> pushpop, what is the problem with Steam?
[03:14] <Usuario> :o
[03:16] <pushpop> lordcirth, http://pastebin.com/84mWFEjq
[03:18] <lordcirth> pushpop, try this: LD_PRELOAD="/lib/libstdc++.so.6" steam
[03:19] <pushpop> lordcirth, http://pastebin.com/ygvyPxtp
[03:22] <lordcirth> pushpop, oops, wrong distro.  Try LD_PRELOAD="usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6" steam
[03:23] <pushpop> lordcirth, same thing =(
[03:24] <lordcirth> pushpop, oops I forgot the leading slash
[03:24] <pushpop> downloading!
[03:24] <lordcirth> Sorry it's 23:24 here :P
[03:24] <pushpop> no worries I appreciate it!
[03:25] <lordcirth> pushpop, excellent.  If you'd like to know more about the solution or making it permanment, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=193802
[03:25] <lordcirth> Note that file paths may differ because Arch
[03:26] <pushpop> awesome thanks man! Hopefully I'll have some luck running some games.
[03:26] <pushpop> thanks again
[03:26] <lordcirth> np
[03:32] <pushpop> lordcirth, i can't seem to sign on.  "Steam is having trouble connecting to the Steam Servers"
[03:34] <lordcirth> pushpop, any errors on command line?
[03:35] <pushpop> lordcirth, http://pastebin.com/9Wd7fbBX
[03:38] <lordcirth> pushpop, maybe 64bit now?  try LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6" steam
[03:38] <pushpop> ok
[03:41] <pushpop> lordcirth, same thing =(   http://pastebin.com/9fhJZ9MF
[03:46] <lordcirth> pushpop, apparently that error can be caused/fixed by a lot of things.  Can't really track it down.  Rebooting and running with the i386 preload is probably worth trying.  Or router restart, one guy says
[03:48] <pushpop> OK - I will try.  Thanks for your help
[03:51] <oroo> Thumbnails of images not showing in nautilus .... using ubuntu 14.04. I had same distro earlier but that time everything was ok. Can anyone help?
[03:54] <pushpop> lordcirth, it was my firewall blocking steam
[03:54] <pushpop> duh
[03:54] <pushpop> =)
[03:54] <lordcirth> pushpop, :)
[04:11] <jereluth> my wifi device says Hard blocked: yes how do I fix it
[04:20] <ruffyen> So i just upgraded to 16.04.1 and when booting using the "default" kernel the main drive booted read-only, but if i use upstart it all works fine
[04:20] <ruffyen> i was able to get grub to boot upstart by default
[04:20] <ruffyen> but what is upstart and why would it work with it and not default
[04:22] <ruffyen> http://askubuntu.com/questions/670615/15-04-can-only-boot-with-upstart-systemd-boot-fails -- seems to be a similar issue
[04:25] <justctb> hello
[04:26] <justctb> hello
[04:26] <leozord> Hi there.
[04:33] <donald1> in which folder I should choose the mount point of the installation?
[04:34] <DarkPsydeLord> ??
[04:35] <jereluth> I cant figure this out my wireless lan card says it is hard blocked and i did fn f8 but that only toggles the soft block
[04:36] <frecel> is lighttpd currently broken on 16.04?
[04:36] <donald1> DarkPsydeLord: I am installing ubuntu. I am at the 4 step where I chosen to manage my partitions
[04:40] <Bashing-om> pushpop: donald1 Not sure this is what you are referring to .. the mount point for the root operating system is '/' .
[04:40] <alexxey> jereluth, What is your computer model
[04:43] <jereluth> alexxey, Toshiba satellite a665
[04:43] <ruffyen> so nothing on the upstart vs systemd thing?
[04:43] <rypervenche> donald1: Are you doing a manual setup?
[04:44] <donald1> yes
[04:44] <rypervenche> donald1: Any particular reason for that?
[04:45] <donald1> I want to make a mutiboot
[04:46] <rypervenche> donald1: I'm not sure I understand your question then. You don't know where to mount / ?
[04:52] <jereluth> alexxey, thanks for asking i figured it out there is a button in the middle which turns on off the wifi switch
[04:57] <ruffyen> so just in case anyone is curious and following along, the issue was that during the upgrade one of two things occured
[04:57] <ruffyen> either my fstab was modified
[04:57] <ruffyen> OR
[04:57] <ruffyen> the UUID of my primary boot device changed
[04:57] <ruffyen> by one character
[05:22] <swift110-phone> hey
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> swift110-phone: welcome, what can we do for you?
[05:37] <_rubik> Hey guys. I'm having troule booting off a usb. nouveau: failed to load fecs_inst
[05:37] <_rubik> Any ideas?
[05:43] <guest2467> I installed wine 1.9.17 through play on linux. My question is if I remove play on linux,would wine get removed too?
[05:44] <Ben64> that's a question for #playonlinux
[05:55] <jmpp> hey everyone!
[05:57] <jmpp> a bit of an odd question: I'm trying to ssh to an Unbutu 16 server, which until a few hours ago was working just fine. Now ssh attempts get responded to with an ICMP 106 "Destination unreachable (Host administratively prohibited)" error
[05:57] <jmpp> but... not if I ssh in verbose mode. If I do 'ssh -v myserver', I can get in just fine!
[05:57] <jmpp> anyone seen something that odd?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> jmpp: perhaps try in #ubuntu-server?
[06:10] <Nilesh_> how to install mysql in ubuntu
[06:10] <Nilesh_> dev package
[06:19] <netvixtra> Nilesh_: apt search mysql dev
[06:20] <Nilesh_> netvixtra: thanks
[06:33] <promet> when I have openvpn active on 16.04, I see activity on both eth0 & tun0, is this normal? the idea would be to have all network traffic go through the vpn, but is it normal to see that tun0 traffic "mirrored" on eth0?
[06:36] <Screnzo> yeah I would think so, I mean, it is originating from eth0, then going through tun0
[06:39] <ouroumov> Isn't it the opposite? Goes through tun0 first, then the encrypted data is sent as a bunch of UDP packets passing through eth0?
[06:39] <promet> Screnzo, ouroumov, thanks very much, trying to figure that out.
[06:40] <promet> Either way, would you all assume that, if the openvpn is up and successfully connected, that all the outgoing network traffic is "vpn-ed"?
[06:40] <ouroumov> promet, I think it's normal, seeing as tun0 is a virtual interface, and eth0 corresponds to the actual physical interface
[06:41] <ouroumov> promet, yes, unless you checked an option in the VPN settings that should be something like "only use this connection for resources on it's network"
[06:41] <fatgeek> hey, does anyone know what this might mean on startup? Bad video card? http://i.imgur.com/vZTyXTm.jpg
[06:42] <ouroumov> promet, if you have such an option and it is checked, then you only use the connection to contact other machines connected to the VPN.
[06:42] <promet> ouroumov, thanks, would that include a vbox guest on the 10.0.0.0 subnet as well do you think?
[06:43] <ouroumov> fatgeek, possibly. Also it looks like some Full Disk Encryption problem I had a while back
[06:43] <promet> that vbox device is in "NAT" mode, would I need to change that to "Bridged" to go over vpn? Sorry, don't mean to extend the question, but if you know
[06:44] <ouroumov> promet, I don't know about that, sorry
[06:45] <promet> ouroumov, no worries, thanks very much for your help, you too Screnzo
[06:45] <fatgeek> I'm not running any encryption. I've tried it with ubuntu 16.04, 14.04, and debian jessie. all of them have some kind of graphical nonsense. it's a brand new machine and i'm running it headless as a server so other than loading a terminal there are no other graphics involved.
[06:47] <fatgeek> on 16.04 I don't get any video at all after grub if I don't go to nomodeset
[06:48] <ouroumov> If grub displays fine it's probably not a bad video card problem :/
[06:49] <fatgeek> yeah, I was thinking that. this one is a puzzler.
[06:50] <ouroumov> fatgeek, you know the graphic specs? (Such as returned by the command: inxi -G)
[06:50] <fatgeek> give me a sec to try getting back onto it.
[06:52] <promet> ouroumov, re: vbox and network (line 5), which suggests, I think, that NAT would be best to hit the host's vpn tunnel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23072362/
[06:53] <promet> ouroumov, which I just stumbled accross
[06:56] <fatgeek> ouroumov, result of inxi -G: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23072369/
[06:57] <fatgeek> it's weird, I can work on the machine blind. it only shows garbled text on the screen but is still functional. I just installed openssh-server to get that info.
[07:00] <ouroumov> fatgeek, that output is fun... N/A, hadn't seen that before. What does "lshw -C display" says?
[07:02] <fatgeek> ouroumov, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23072378/
[07:04] <sus8766> hi! i would need a little help with this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304613/prerouting-ssh-to-different-internal-port
[07:06] <ouroumov> fatgeek, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/8086%3A22b1/ even weirder...
[07:08] <fatgeek> weirder and weirder. The machine in question is a Zotac Z-Box CI323 Nano. Everywhere I look, I see people installing various flavors of linux on it without issue.
[07:09] <ouroumov> Lol, I was about to buy that one too
[07:09] <ouroumov> fatgeek, are you using Ubuntu Server on it or regular Desktop version?
[07:11] <fatgeek> Right now I have 14.04 on it that I installed using the mini netinst iso and used tasksel to only select "Basic Ubuntu Server"
[07:12] <ouroumov> I haven't tested 14.04 on the n3150 but I have two other machines that use the same processor (a netbook and a nuc-like Brix) and they're working without issues on 16.04
[07:13] <fatgeek> Trying 16.04 again was going to be my next step.
[07:16] <fatgeek> Oh, and this happens on both VGA and HDMI
[07:18] <swift110-phone> oh
[07:22] <Cinnamon-813> Hey, I was upgrading from 14.04 to 16. It was in the final stages of installing the changes before restarting the computer, when my laptop ran flat. Now it boots to a kernel panic, and trying to boot into an older kernel just sits on the purple screen for a long time
[07:35] <fatgeek> I was trying to run a a 16.04 install and this happened: http://i.imgur.com/v8EH23k.jpg This machine must be haunted.
[07:36] <Bray90820> Can someone recommend a tablet that I could install ubuntu x64 on?
[07:37] <Cinco> k
[07:37] <Bray90820> Hopefully one that I might be able to get used for about $100
[07:46] <Johnny`> Hey I am having a problem with port forwarding. I tried to open the ports but for some reason it won't work.
[07:47] <netvixtra> Johnny`: single port forwarding?
[07:47] <Johnny`> netvixtra, yeah
[07:48] <Johnny`> I tried to do it like this sudo ufw allow 5394/udp
[07:48] <Johnny`> Did not work
[07:48] <Johnny`> The testing site still shows it closed
[07:48] <Johnny`> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[07:48] <netvixtra> Did you specify a target on your internal network?
[07:50] <netvixtra> Or are you not trying to forward a port, just open one?
[07:50] <Johnny`> Just trying to open one
[07:50] <Johnny`> So I could use Network play on Kega Fusion
[07:50] <netvixtra> checked output of iptables after using that command?
[07:52] <Johnny`> I';m looking through them now
[07:52] <Johnny`> Checking for it
[07:53] <netvixtra> Johnny`: and did you disable/enable ufw after allowing that port?
[07:54] <Johnny`> netvixtra, http://pastebin.com/aMfBw016
[07:54] <Johnny`> Thats the output
[07:54] <ducasse> Johnny`: the machine you're doing this on is your router?
[07:54] <Johnny`> I don't see the port in there
[07:54] <elricsfate_> Hello all, I'm getting an error saying I can't login because the system is still booting. Latest version of Ubuntu inside an lxc/lxd container
[07:54] <elricsfate_> Tried rebooting and shutting down but nothing seems to fix the error
[07:54] <Johnny`> ducasse, the router doesn't seem like its the problem. Mostly because when I disconnected the router and went with a straight modem connection, the port STILL wasn't open.
[07:55] <ducasse> Johnny`: just checking :)
[07:55] <netvixtra> Johnny`: iptables -L |grep 5394
[07:56] <Johnny`> Hmm
[07:56] <Johnny`> netvixtra, http://pastebin.com/rfTLdidz
[07:57] <elricsfate> Anyone know what a possible fix is?
[07:57] <fatgeek> Are you sure that site works with UDP?
[07:57] <netvixtra> Johnny`: seems like your firewall is working as supposed
[07:57] <netvixtra> Johnny`: the problem is somewhere else
[07:58] <Johnny`> fatgeek, even putting port 80 though into that site says its closed
[07:58] <Johnny`> I had someone else test a port on theirs
[07:58] <Johnny`> Said it was open
[07:58] <netvixtra> Are you NAT'ing?
[07:58] <netvixtra> Behind a router.
[08:01] <Fione> Hello.
[08:01] <Johnny`> netvixtra, http://picpaste.com/ports-3lxMJ9AP.png
[08:01] <Fione> I'm unable to boot into ubuntu. Help?
[08:01] <Johnny`> That is my router port forwarding
[08:01] <Johnny`> But I also tried it without the router
[08:01] <Johnny`> Still didn't work
[08:02] <netvixtra> Johnny`: does your torrent client work?
[08:02] <Johnny`> Hmm
[08:03] <Johnny`> netvixtra, I know trying to send files over Hexchat doesn't work
[08:03] <Johnny`> Because I remember trying to send someone a file and it wouldn't work
[08:03] <netvixtra> Your firewall blocks outgoing connections?
[08:04] <Johnny`> netvixtra, it seems that way
[08:04] <netvixtra> Try disabling the firewall and try again to check if your router causes you trouble?
[08:04] <Johnny`> ok
[08:06] <Johnny`> ok done
[08:06] <Johnny`> "Firewall stopped and disabled on system startup
[08:06] <Johnny`> "
[08:07] <Johnny`> Hmm netvixtra still says closed
[08:08] <netvixtra> Then I guess your router is the problem.
[08:08] <Johnny`> Well I will try to connect directly with the modem again
[08:08] <Johnny`> Hang on
[08:08] <Johnny`> If that doesn't work it has to be the modem itself then
[08:08] <Johnny`> I dunno
[08:08] <netvixtra> I don't get why you want to run double firewall
[08:12] <Johnny`> netvixtra, still closed
[08:12] <Johnny`> and the router is disconnected
[08:12] <ducasse> Johnny`: is something listening on that port?
[08:12] <netvixtra> Tried to disable the firewall on the computer and checked?
[08:12] <Johnny`> netvixtra, yup
[08:13] <netvixtra> ducasse: I guess he's trying the application?
[08:13] <Johnny`> Unless the firewall isn't stopping
[08:13] <elricsfate> It's now impossible to access t his container via SSH :/
[08:13] <elricsfate> Anybone have a tip on what might fix this?
[08:13] <Johnny`> hmm let me check system
[08:14] <Johnny`> Nope very strange
[08:14] <Johnny`> Firewall is off, router is off
[08:15] <Johnny`> Yet the port is still closed
[08:15] <netvixtra> the external port checker says so?
[08:15] <netvixtra> tried the app?
[08:15] <Johnny`> Yup
[08:15] <netvixtra> or the game
[08:15] <Johnny`> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[08:15] <netvixtra> what does iptables -L say?
[08:15] <Johnny`> Lets see
[08:16] <Johnny`> netvixtra, http://pastebin.com/n9vQWuBY
[08:16] <chomwitt> my 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade on a friend desktop halted to the keyboard package configuration (for hours). what can i do?
[08:17] <netvixtra> All seems fine there Johnny`
[08:17] <Johnny`> yeah not sure why I can't have people connect to me in the game server
[08:17] <Johnny`> and why the site says its closed
[08:17] <Johnny`> I mean the router def isn't on
[08:17] <netvixtra> Johnny`: yet again it seems like the problem is somewhere else
[08:17] <netvixtra> Johnny`: your ISP might be blocking the traffic?
[08:17] <netvixtra> Wild guess.
[08:18] <elricsfate> I'd also like to note I've tried rolling back and full updates
[08:18] <Johnny`> Hmm yeah ok maybe I need to call up my ISP
[08:18] <elricsfate> I've also tried restarting the container inside the container and using LXC directly
[08:18] <netvixtra> Johnny`: google app + isp issues
[08:18] <fatgeek> what does 'ufw show added' show?
[08:19] <netvixtra> fatgeek: iptables output pasted above
[08:19] <Johnny`> It even says port 80 is closed
[08:19] <Johnny`> and port 80 is the browser I believe
[08:20] <netvixtra> if you do not have a webserver running it would appear as closed in some portscannerns
[08:20] <fatgeek> I saw the iptables output, but most of it is showing ufw chains. the above command shows what rules ufw has in place.
[08:23] <Johnny`> this is the app
[08:23] <Johnny`> http://picpaste.com/ports2-95qQIoP1.png
[08:23] <emx> how do i set umask for the apache process? i tried umask 0002 in etc/apache2/envvars without success.
[08:25] <bekks> emx: What are you trying to achieve?
[08:25] <nexusguy59> Good morning everyone
[08:26] <fatgeek> Johnny`, fyi, I opened a port on my router, used netcat -ul to listen on it and that site still says it's closed.
[08:26] <sus8766> if anyone know how to preroute connection without opening two ports, please help: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304613/prerouting-ssh-to-different-internal-port
[08:26] <bekks> sus8766: I explained that to you yesterday.
[08:27] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: I'm assuming you've set a port forward at your gateway already. If not, that's your problem. Do you have a service running on that RHP (or a nc -l)?
[08:27] <bekks> sus8766: you need to route to another destination, not to another port only.
[08:27] <Johnny`> fatgeek, its weird maybe it only works for Windows users that site. Because I had someone else test it who has Windows 10 and it showed his port open.
[08:27] <Johnny`> I even typed in his IP and the port
[08:27] <Johnny`> and it said opened
[08:28] <sus8766> bekks: i changed to route to 127.0.0.1:2222 but then even ssh service didn't get connection (also ufw didn't report anything in logs)
[08:28] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: you may have your 'someone else' check the port status for you directly.
[08:28] <Johnny`> Wow yeah everything says closed
[08:29] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, he did he put in my ip on that site and it said closed
[08:29] <bekks> sus8766: you cannot change a route for containing a port. and since your ssh doesnt connect anymore, you did change the ssh configuration (which you should not) and not the iptables configuration.
[08:29] <Johnny`> I also clicked on that site Scan All Common Ports
[08:29] <Johnny`> and all ports show it says closed
[08:29] <emx> bekks, i want the repository of my webapplication to be in my encrypted home directory (which works well). i used mpm-itk to assign my daily user privileges to the apache process. since i installed 16.04 i want apache to access my files based on the group owner (www-data). that is: when apache creates a file it has owner www-data:www-data and i want to be able to edit that file with my daily user privileges. for that to work properly apache created directories
[08:29] <emx> must have g+rwx but despite umask 0002 directories still have g+r-x.
[08:29] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Have him connect directly to your server, rather than using a third party site. May I ask what service you're running on that port?
[08:30] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, Kega fusion
[08:30] <Johnny`> and it wasn't working
[08:30] <chomwitt> is there a page for upgrade troubleshooting? i mean why upgrade would halt in the keyboard config package? and without error displayed? makes no sense to me
[08:30] <bekks> emx: So dont fiddle with umask, but add your daily user to the www-data group-
[08:30] <Johnny`> He couldn't connect to me and I couldn't to him
[08:30] <emx> bekks, i did that
[08:30] <bekks> emx: thats sufficient then for editing files.
[08:30] <emx> bekks, not if apache created directories as well.
[08:31] <emx> if i want to edit files in those directories i need g+rwx
[08:31] <bekks> emx: you could run an additional chmod ug+rWx /var/www/
[08:31] <bekks> emx: and nothing else is needed.
[08:31] <emx> bekks, i have to do it every time apache creates a directory.
[08:31] <christian_> Hi is ubuntu 14.04.1 with kernel 3.13 still supported?
[08:31] <Johnny`> Oh you know what may be the problem netvixtra
[08:32] <Johnny`> I can't check any ports without Sudo
[08:32] <Johnny`> So maybe I need to add myself to a network group or something
[08:32] <bekks> emx: you have to do what exactly? Notice the upper W in the command above.
[08:32] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: I'm not familiar; but if he has a client for that application, he can point it at your IP address and port, and tell you if it makes a connection. Failing the availablity of a client on his end, he can test the port status by simply netcatting to it. `nc <IP> <port>` will either fail instantly (an ACK RST was received, meaning your GW or iptables is denying it), possibly timeout (meaning the GW of iptables is dropping it) o
[08:33] <bekks> emx: and notice the exact options on the command given.
[08:34] <christian_> I want to install 14.04.1 with kernel 3.13
[08:34] <bekks> christian_: and whats keeping your from doing so? Why do you want an old version of 14.04?
[08:35] <emx> bekks, i noticed the capitalised w. i don't know that notation. what is it supposed to do?
[08:35] <christian_> bekks_: feels like I dont want to use kernel 4.4
[08:35] <bekks> emx: setting permissions to rwx for user and group, and keeping those for newly created files and directories.
[08:36] <bekks> christian_: Why?
[08:36] <roleohibachi> christian_: availability will be a challenge; you may have to build that yourself. It's not impossible. I would begin with a fresh install of 14.04, and then install a kernel of the version you're after. There are guides online, if you search 'kernel downgrade' (or, really, kernel upgrade... it's the same process)
[08:36] <Johnny`> Yeah I tried another site
[08:36] <emx> bekks, chmod: invalid mode: ‘ug+rWx’
[08:36] <christian_> bekks_: I just want to downgrade... is it recommended? 14.04 is supported til 2019 right?
[08:36] <Johnny`> The other site says my connection is getting refused
[08:36] <Johnny`> So something is rejecting it
[08:37] <sobersabre> hi. I'm trying to apply security/limits  for a specific group (jenkins), using a file /etc/security/limits.d/jenkins.conf
[08:37] <sobersabre> I'm on 14.04.x
[08:37] <sobersabre> it doesn't work.
[08:37] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Forgive me for asking the obvious, but you've forwarded the port at your gateway, correct?
[08:37] <sobersabre> as root I'm doing: su - jenkins, and type in ulimit -a
[08:37] <sobersabre> the nofile remains as was 1024
[08:37] <sobersabre> what am I doing wrong?
[08:38] <christian_> roleohibachi Im downloading 14.04.1 right now... yes I want to do fresh install to
[08:38] <apex_> hallo
[08:39] <apex_> anonops
[08:39] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, it doesn't even seem like thats it
[08:39] <roleohibachi> christian_: That's the best start! Have you had compatibility issues with the latest kernel?
[08:39] <christian_> roleohibachi_: I want to use kernel 3.13 came preinstalled with 14.04.1... th xenial updates are backported to this right?
[08:39] <Johnny`> Just seems like whenever you want to check a port
[08:39] <Johnny`> It automatically gets refused upon checking
[08:39] <Johnny`> Even if its open
[08:39] <Johnny`> Such as 80 which is HTTP
[08:39] <Johnny`> Its obvious HTTP is open
[08:39] <Johnny`> But the site checker says it is not
[08:40] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Port 80 is open on web *servers*, not web clients. Are you running a web server (httpd, etc)?
[08:40] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, nope
[08:40] <christian_> roleohibachi_: Well, its mostly.. gpu related.. there is this graphics artifacts when I play NFS MW and AOE3 in Wine v1.8
[08:41] <christian_> roleohibachi_: It doesnt occur in kernel 3.13, 3.16 and 3.19
[08:41] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Then the site ain't lying! Can you tell me what happens if you run `nc 127.0.0.1 5394`
[08:41] <bekks> christian_: Downgrading is neither recommended nor supported.
[08:42] <bekks> christian_: if you have a higher release than 14.04, you need to reinstall.
[08:42] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, johnny@johnny-desktop:~$ nc 127.0.0.1 5394
[08:42] <Johnny`> johnny@johnny-desktop:~$
[08:42] <Johnny`> Thats it
[08:42] <Johnny`> Not even a need for pastebin on that one
[08:42] <Johnny`> lol
[08:43] <christian_> bekks_: Yes I would like to fresh install 14.04.1... its the first point release in 14.04 yeah?
[08:43] <bekks> christian_: you want to install the current point release, not the first one ;)
[08:44] <christian_> bekks_: yes
[08:44] <bekks> emx: which permissions does a newly created directory get, when created by apache?
[08:44] <bekks> christian_: So dont ibstall 14.04.1, but the current one :)
[08:44] <christian_> bekks_ does canonical still support everything in 14.04?
[08:45] <roleohibachi> If christian_ is having GPU compatibility issues, he may in fact need a kernel downgrade. It's not recommended for the average user, but it's a thing. The most stable way is to install the latest release, then downgrade the kernel - not install an old release with an old kernel already in it.
[08:45] <bekks> christian_: when running regular updates, yes.
[08:45] <christian_> bekks_: 3.13 kernel?
[08:45] <sobersabre> how do I change the limit for number of open file for a specific user on ubuntu 14.04.x
[08:45] <sobersabre> ?
[08:45] <bekks> christian_: Why do you need an old kernel like that specifically?
[08:45] <emx> bekks u+rwx g+rx o+rx
[08:46] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Is the server application running?
[08:46] <elricsfate> Anyone that knows how to bypass the login bug regarding "Still booting" when trying to login via SSH?
[08:46] <elricsfate> I'm unable to SSH to a host because of it
[08:46] <elricsfate> wtf
[08:46] <elricsfate> Just started working
[08:46] <elricsfate> Disregard
[08:47] <elricsfate> Thanks all
[08:47] <christian_> bekks_: for games... I think the grphics in Mesa 1.1.3 that came with 14.04 is good
[08:47] <bekks> christian_: "I think" is not a valid reason. Whats the specific problem with later kernels for you?
[08:47] <christian_> bekks_:10.1.3
[08:48] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: and have you `ufw allow <port>/tcp`?
[08:49] <christian_> roleohibachi_: so I can keep 16.04 but remove kernel 4.4 so that I can install 3.13?
[08:49] <emx> christian_, if you have the opportunity: install 16.04 aside 14.04 and test your games.
[08:49] <bekks> christian_: Whats the specific problem with later kernels for you? And what does mesa have to do with your kernel?
[08:50] <roleohibachi> christian_: That's a great question. Try it! At worst, it won't work but you'll learn to install a new kernel.
[08:50] <christian_> bekks_: how to upload a photo here? I want to show my screenshots
[08:50] <sobersabre> hm.... is my Q so difficult?
[08:51] <emx> christian_, my laptop for instance feels 5 times fester with 16.04 than with 14.04. the only reason is certainly not kernel 4.4, but you may lose some unneeded weight that was gathered during all those months/years.
[08:52] <christian_> emx_: Im downloading 14.04.1 right now
[08:53] <Johnny`> ok so my ISP did block ports
[08:53] <Johnny`> Just not that one
[08:53] <Johnny`> They blocked port 25
[08:53] <Johnny`> I dunno why
[08:54] <Johnny`> But has nothing to do with anything else
[08:54] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: That's good to establish. Do you use a router, or are you connected directly to the ISP?
[08:55] <Johnny`> Right now I am directly connected to the ISP
[08:55] <cyphaw> Hello. Anyone knows where the user locales are stored? System-wide are in /etc/default/locale, but what's the equivalent for users?
[08:55] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: Is the server application running, and have you attempted to poke a hole in the host firewall?
[08:56] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, yeah its running
[08:56] <Johnny`> I'll take a screenie
[08:57] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: no sweat, I'm not familiar with your application anyway. I'll leave that up to you to sort. As long as it's configured to listen on the correc tinterface, you'll just need to use something along the lines of `ufw allow <port>/tcp`
[08:58] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: you'll know it's running correctly if you see it in the output of `sudo netstat -plant | grep <port>`
[08:58] <Johnny`> hmm now I'm getting a network error
[08:58] <Johnny`> When I start application
[08:59] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, no response
[08:59] <roleohibachi> For the moment, instead of your application why don't we use `nc -l <port>`. Just leave it running in the background, and it will accept connections.
[09:00] <Johnny`> ok
[09:00] <Johnny`> Wow roleohibachi
[09:01] <roleohibachi> You should be able to (in another terminal) `nc 127.0.0.1 <port>` and have it create a connection. Anything you type in to either one will be echoed on the other.
[09:01] <Johnny`> Success: I can see your service on XX.XX.XX.XX on port (5394)
[09:01] <Johnny`> Your ISP is not blocking port 5394
[09:01] <Johnny`> It worked when I did that
[09:01] <roleohibachi> Say, there you go!! Looks like an application misconfiguration then. May I suggest you look around in its settings to make sure it's listening on the right interface, and is running with the right permissions?
[09:02] <Johnny`> So I have to run that in the terminal
[09:02] <Johnny`> Every time I want the port open
[09:02] <roleohibachi> Nope, netcat is just a really dumb server. You are going to use your application as the server. Netcat is just a useful testing tool.
[09:02] <roleohibachi> It tells us that your firewall, gateway and ISP are correctly configured. Now you have to configure your application.
[09:03] <roleohibachi> (So you can ctrl_c out of the netcat listener, it has served its purpose)
[09:04] <Johnny`> ok
[09:04] <CinnamonRickRoll> Hey, earlier I was upgrading from 14.04 to 16 when my laptop ran out of battery. It had gotten to the final stages and was installing the new packages, now when I try to boot it throws a kernel panic (something along the lines of being unable to mount something or other). If i boot into an older kernel it does some weird graphical things and brings up a dialogue box asking me whether it should run using default
[09:04] <CinnamonRickRoll> graphical settings or reconfigure, and I am unable to interact with this window
[09:04] <Johnny`> So this could be every application that is trying to access that port
[09:04] <Johnny`> Chrome, the game etc.
[09:06] <Apachez> anyone else who noticed that hexchat in ubuntu 16.04 have a userlist which seems to bufferswap with a userlist of another channel randomly?
[09:06] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: the game will be 'listening' on that local port. Clients (other players) will connect to you by creating new connections from their random high-numbered ports to the port you've specified. No other application will be able to listen on that port, because it is 'bound' to the port.
[09:07] <archer121> hi, I mesed up my mysql configuration files. Can anyone please help me reinstall mysql such that all configurations are reset to defaults?
[09:08] <archer121> What should I be doing if I want to start fresh? I am refering the the files in /etc/mysql
[09:08] <roleohibachi> archer121: Try apt-get remove --purge mysql, then reinstall
[09:08] <archer121> roleohibachi: That's just what I did, but it did not help.
[09:09] <roleohibachi> archer121: rm -rf /etc/mysql ?
[09:09] <roleohibachi> archer121: (and reinstall)
[09:09] <archer121> I did that too.
[09:09] <roleohibachi> archer121: persistent bugger... Does it create a ~/.mysql or somesuch?
[09:10] <archer121> I am to do a sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql*
[09:10] <archer121> ?
[09:11] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, here is what we're looking at here: http://picpaste.com/apps-LK2tGteD.png
[09:11] <Johnny`> As you can see
[09:11] <Johnny`> When the command is run
[09:11] <Johnny`> Everything is in order
[09:11] <Johnny`> When its not everything gets refused
[09:13] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: From first glance, it looks like 1) you haven't killed that netcat listener, so it's still bound to the port and 2) You're trying to connect to some other server, not host a server? That could be my misunderstanding of the application.
[09:13] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, what I did was I created a server and then opened a duplicate application to see if I could join
[09:13] <Johnny`> and both tests were a success
[09:13] <Johnny`> I was able to be both a host and a client
[09:14] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: I like it. What's not working?
[09:14] <Johnny`> roleohibachi, well it will only work when I have the netcat listener running
[09:14] <Johnny`> Which is strange
[09:15] <Johnny`> If the netcat listener is not running, the ports will all be refused
[09:15] <archer121> Anyone knows where /etc/mysql/debian.cnf comes from? I accidently deleted it and now I want it back.
[09:16] <roleohibachi> Well, we can see that there are no incoming connections to the netcat on that port. I suspect what's happening is, the netcat is binding to that port on your external interface, relelgating your application to bind on the loopback interface only. That would cause it to work locally.
[09:16] <Johnny`> ooh
[09:17] <roleohibachi> You may re-run netcat with -vv just to be sure. It should list its interface. Likewise netstat -plant will show what interface it's listening on (by way of the IP)
[09:18] <roleohibachi> That said, the application ought to be bound to 0.0.0.0, so it'll accept a connection from any interface.
[09:20] <ducasse> archer121: you can use apt-file to find out.
[09:20] <archer121> ducasse: I already ofund it out with google, but let me see how to find with apt-file
[09:21] <ducasse> archer121: 'apt-file search /etc/mysql/debian.cnf' after doing 'apt-file update'
[09:21] <roflraptor> hey
[09:21] <roleohibachi> Johnny`: I'm calling it a night. Best of luck; you may also seek help in that application's forums.
[09:21] <Johnny`> thanks roleohibachi
[09:21] <roflraptor> Peace man
[09:22] <archer121> ducasse: Yeah, thanks for telling me that.
[09:23] <luupainaja> Hi. Im completely new to Ubuntu. Just installed it next to windows 10. But I cannot connect to internet. So far I have enabled VT in bios, which didn't help. Im on pc and connected with cable. No wifi. 'Sudo ethtool eth0' shows me 'cannot get device settings: non such device. Any ideas?
[09:26] <roflraptor> So what terminal emulator do you recommend on ubuntu except the standard one?
[09:27] <ViciousLooRoll> You guys seen the bash on ubuntu on windows
[09:27] <ViciousLooRoll> ?
[09:27] <ViciousLooRoll> Or is here not the place to talk about that?
[09:27] <roflraptor> ViciousLooRoll: yep, even windows is accepting his defeat :^)
[09:27] <ducasse> !ubuwin | ViciousLooRoll
[09:27] <ViciousLooRoll> Ducasse cheers
[09:28] <northumbrian> .
[09:35] <roflraptor> guys any recommendations on terminal emulators?
[09:41] <nickname234> Hi guys. I have SSD with windows 10. I have created 3 more partitions on this disk: 1GB swap, 44 GB Ext4 and 1GB for boot. Now I try to install Ubuntu as Second OS. I choise custom disk partitions while install. Swap Partitition I use for swap, 44 GB Extr4 for mount /root and 1Gb Ext4 for mount /boot. Then I istall ubuntu. Then system requires reboot, I do it. But now windows is booted and
[09:41] <nickname234> there is no grub. How to boot from /boot, which one is last on DISK, or what shoud I do
[09:42] <nickname234> GB Extr4 for mount / (withour root)
[09:45] <ducasse> roflraptor: depends on what you want/need. i like roxterm but it's no longer maintained because gtk 3.20 breaks it, so i'm switching back to urxvt.
[10:04] <Sesco> .
[10:16] <marta_> Hello all, any one can help me out ?
[10:16] <Ben64> you have to ask your question to find out
[10:17] <marta_> I first installed xubuntu and then changed to lubuntu, meanwhile i got stucked at the start up... first it sayd something like  /dev/sda1: clean, 291272/4292608 files, 480345/18174432 blocks
[10:18] <marta_> but now just goes to the login user and do not start the lxde interface
[10:19] <noroot> marta: can you login?
[10:19] <marta_> yes
[10:19] <noroot> can u become root?
[10:19] <marta_> let me see, normaly i do the sudo and it works
[10:20] <noroot> you might want to start lxde manually....
[10:20] <marta_> i cant use the su command... it says failed of autentification
[10:20] <gobal> how to root android
[10:21] <noroot> make sure you use the correct password
[10:21] <gobal> can do mv su file /system/bin for run root in android device
[10:21] <marta_> noroot, how can i start lxde, i normaly use startx commanfd
[10:22] <gobal> :-/
[10:22] <marta_> *command, ok let me check again
[10:22] <Ben64> gobal: you appear to be in the wrong channel, this is Ubuntu support, not android anything
[10:22] <gobal> ok
[10:23] <noroot> marta: try systemctl start lxde<tab> as root
[10:23] <noroot> marta: or systemctl list-unit-files | grep -i lxde
[10:24] <noroot> dont have ubuntu right at hand, sorry, just general ideas
[10:24] <marta_> thanks noroot and all
[10:30] <marta_> Hi again, i cant be root using the su and when i do the stystemctl start lxde it says some error ending saying lxde not found
[10:31] <marta_> im thinking on re-installing a clean lubuntu, should it fix my problems ?
[10:32] <Proio> Hello
[10:33] <marta_> Hi
[10:33] <dawave> hello
[10:33] <adroit_machine> !wine
[10:33] <funkyheadgirl> hi
[10:34] <Proio> I'd like to switch from Windows 10 to Ubuntu permanently please
[10:34] <funkyheadgirl> i finally got ubuntu 16.04 to work perfectly
[10:34] <marta_> !systemctl
[10:35] <dawave> Raspberry Pi ?
[10:35] <funkyheadgirl> i installed ubuntu into my usb then installed into my lenovo and tadah
[10:35] <EriC^^> Proio: make a live usb and install
[10:35] <EriC^^> !install | Proio
[10:36] <Proio> I downloaded 16.04 and made a bootable USB. It's just I've been using Windows for 10 odd years and I'm scared to take the plunge but I really want to learn it
[10:36] <EriC^^> Proio: dual boot them
[10:37] <EriC^^> or put ubuntu in a vm
[10:37] <Proio> Oh no I want to get rid of Windows completely
[10:37] <funkyheadgirl> but any idea how to connect to internet via my phone internet?
[10:37] <EriC^^> funkyheadgirl: which phone?
[10:37] <funkyheadgirl> i disabled avahi-daemon
[10:37] <funkyheadgirl> nokia lumia 530
[10:38] <funkyheadgirl> it just shows internet connected OK i think but "cannot findservet"
[10:38] <funkyheadgirl> server sorry*
[10:41] <funkyheadgirl> is it true i aint gonna need any firewall?
[10:42] <funkyheadgirl> or antivirus?
[10:43] <akik> funkyheadgirl: to protect your network services, ubuntu has ufw which is a front-end to iptables
[10:43] <funkyheadgirl> oujee
[10:43] <akik> funkyheadgirl: you don't need an antivirus
[10:44] <funkyheadgirl> this is so much better than any windows ever
[10:44] <akik> funkyheadgirl: usually an antivirus could be used if you share files with windows with samba
[10:44] <funkyheadgirl> well i aint gonna use any windows any more
[10:46] <funkyheadgirl> he im gonna go and try again internet via my phone brb
[10:47] <Proio2> Okay I installed irc on my phone. I'm going to install Ubuntu on my system
[10:48] <roflraptor> Btw, I have heard that linux doesn't have viruses, is it true?
[10:48] <EriC^^> no, you were lied to
[10:49] <roflraptor> Hmmm, but the amount of viruses is probably smaller than the ones on windows, right?
[10:49] <EriC^^> yup that is true
[10:49] <Proio2> EriC^^ please help me with installation if I run into any trouble
[10:49] <EriC^^> k
[10:50] <Proio2> Thank you very much
[10:50] <EriC^^> no problem
[10:50] <roflraptor> So, should i get some kind of antivirus program?
[10:51] <EriC^^> i'd stay stick to the repos, don't run random commands or scripts from the internet, and if you have windows files shared then install clamav
[10:51] <EriC^^> if you download them in linux then use in windows or send to someone for instance
[10:51] <roflraptor> what does clamav do tho?
[10:52] <EriC^^> it's an antivirus for linux
[10:52] <EriC^^> !clamav
[10:52] <EriC^^> !av
[10:52] <EriC^^> !info clamav
[10:52] <Proio2> Should I select install third party software?
[10:53] <EriC^^> Proio2: yeah if you want mp3 and stuff like that
[10:53] <EriC^^> *mp3 support
[10:53] <Proio2> Ah okay thank you
[10:53] <roflraptor> ohhhhhh. So, if i don't dual boot windows then I am good without an antivirus?
[10:53] <EriC^^> roflraptor: yeah
[10:53] <Ben64> don't install random stuff from random places and you're pretty much safe
[10:54] <roflraptor> Oh, I can manage that xD Thanks guys!
[10:55] <Matru> Anyone else ran into closing lid suspending laptop on 16.04? I used dconf Editor to se /org/gnome/daemon-settings/
[10:55] <roflraptor> Matru: Yep, it does suspend automatically
[10:55] <Proio2> Okay I've got an option for LVM and encryption. Should I just skip these?
[10:55] <EriC^^> Proio2: yeah, choose erase disk and install ubuntu if you want to single boot it
[10:56] <Matru> rolfraptor any idea why it still suspends tho i've set lid-close-ac-action to Blank?
[10:56] <Proio2> EriC^^ alright, much appreciated
[10:56] <alexxey> Matru, maybe it's systemd-logind?
[10:56] <EriC^^> Matru: i think there are 2 suspends, one for on battery and the other while on ac
[10:56] <roflraptor> Matru: no idea buddy :(
[10:57] <Matru> EriC^^, there sure are two options but i've set them both for blank
[10:57] <EriC^^> Matru: oh
[10:57] <roflraptor> Matru: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[10:57] <roflraptor> Have you tried this?
[10:58] <Matru> alexxey: I also tried setting /etc/systemd/logind.conf 'HandleLidSwitch' To blank
[10:58] <Matru> rolfraptor: Yes i've tried that one too
[10:58] <alexxey> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[10:58] <roflraptor> Yep, it's not blank, it's ignore
[10:58] <Matru> woudln't that leave screen On all the time?
[10:59] <alexxey> I don't think so.
[10:59] <Matru> aight i should try that ^^
[10:59] <roflraptor> Matru: I think turning off the screen isn't managed by ubuntu
[10:59] <alexxey> Yeah, some hardware switch
[10:59] <alexxey> perhaps.
[10:59] <sburwo> I am looking to help a friend tweak his laptop from my house. He has Ubuntu 16.04. I set up vino on my Ubuntu 16.04 and intend on putting vino on his for a vnc. What do I need to do after that?
[11:00] <roflraptor> alexxey: yep
[11:00] <Matru> roflraptor, alexxey: you're probably right. i just couldn't find a physical switch on my T500
[11:01] <sburwo> and ... I also have a ipad pro. VPN is the same thing as vnc? Can I remotely help him?
[11:01] <Matru> HandleLidSwitch=ignore works! Thank you guys! I've been strugling with this for a while :P
[11:01] <zaggynl> sburwo: teamviewer might be easier
[11:01] <zaggynl> or you'll have to set up portfowarding/vpn
[11:02] <roflraptor> Matru: ^^
[11:02] <alexxey> Well, of course it has a physical switch for lid close detection. Maybe its more accurate to say backlight turnoff is managed by BIOS/EC/other low level stuff...
[11:02] <alexxey> I could be wrong though...
[11:02] <XOCKET> hi
[11:02] <Proio2> Wow installed 16.04 very beautiful wallpaper
[11:02] <tobias_> fresh install of ubuntu minimal stucks at/after fsck, what could be the problem ? something with graphical drivers?
[11:02] <XOCKET> I don't tink there is ubuntu minimal
[11:03] <tobias_> lol yes there is
[11:03] <sburwo> zaggynl portforwarding/vpn is just for my Apple or for a remote between my Ubuntu and his?
[11:03] <XOCKET> What are you laugh? tobias_
[11:03] <roflraptor> Isn't ubuntu minimal just an ubuntu server?
[11:04] <Proio2> EriC^^ installed. Er what would you recommend I do first please?
[11:04] <tobias_> because ive just installed ubuntu minimal on 2 pcs and u says theres no such thing
[11:04] <XOCKET> which one?
[11:04] <XOCKET> why don't you help him then?
[11:04] <tobias_> basically, but without the networking packages
[11:04] <EriC^^> Proio2: install compizconfig-settings-manager and set the unity plugin > launcher > click to minimize
[11:05] <XOCKET> tobias_, I hardly understand you, your place is ##tea
[11:05] <roflraptor> tobias_: could you link the place where you downloaded it? I have never seen ubuntu minimal tbh
[11:05] <EriC^^> Proio2: that way if you want to minimize sometimes with the mouse you can click the icon again to minimize it
[11:05] <tobias_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[11:06] <EriC^^> minimal is just an install where you choose what de and stuff during the install
[11:06] <EriC^^> i think it's the same as the netinstall cd?
[11:07] <tobias_> yeah, i just dont like all the fancy de, just a clean i3buntu
[11:07] <EriC^^> i3buntu :D
[11:07] <XOCKET> tobias_, does it has amazon and the rest packages?
[11:07] <tobias_> it has nothing if u dont choose it
[11:07] <XOCKET> like arch?
[11:07] <roflraptor> pretty much arch :^)
[11:07] <XOCKET> sorry I think we are not suppose  to talk about arch. take my words back
[11:08] <roflraptor> why tho? :D
[11:08] <tobias_> the installation takes u to a package promt, where u can choose desktop environment etc
[11:08] <XOCKET> that's nice
[11:08] <funkyheadgirl> no internet via my phone wont work
[11:08] <tobias_> kinda like arch, but with ubuntu
[11:08] <tobias_> i like ubuntus stable packages
[11:08] <roflraptor> XOCKET: wait wait wait, why are we not suppose to talk about arch? Hm? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
[11:08] <roflraptor> HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM????
[11:08] <roflraptor> :^)
[11:08] <EriC^^> it's offtopic
[11:09] <roflraptor> Oh
[11:09] <roflraptor> fine then :'(
[11:10] <EriC^^> there's #ubuntu-offtopic of course :)
[11:10] <roflraptor> might as well connect to the arch irc channel :^)
[11:10] <tobias_> its kinda irritating how i have to drop into rescuemode to install my packages, it works fine in virtualbox, so it has to be a driver issue
[11:13] <Proio2> EriC^^ installed compiz settings manager, also changed additional drivers to nvidia
[11:13] <EriC^^> Proio2: great!
[11:13] <team2016> installing ubuntu on 64G stroage is enough?
[11:13] <EriC^^> try rebooting to use them and see if they work correctly
[11:13] <EriC^^> team2016: sure
[11:14] <team2016> EriC^^: short?
[11:14] <team2016> 128G is required?
[11:14] <EriC^^> no, it needs like 8gb, 20g would be giving it a good amount of room to grow
[11:14] <Ben64> no, 10G maybe is required
[11:14] <EriC^^> so it depends on how much files you want to have in your home dir
[11:15] <team2016> but some one say that 64 G is short on windows 10.
[11:15] <weird0> hi
[11:16] <team2016> windows size is same with linux?
[11:16] <EriC^^> no
[11:16] <tobias_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD 50MB
[11:17] <EriC^^> that's pretty small
[11:17] <team2016> oh great
[11:17] <tobias_> well, it comes with nothing, u have to have internet access to install it
[11:18] <tobias_> basically just boots an installer
[11:19] <tobias_> i run i3, but when im done installing my system runs on ~200mb ram
[11:21] <juacado> I'm trying to run a makefile with a target with the rule "sudo cp ./src/*.hpp /usr/local/include/mylib/ from inside Eclipse CDT but I'm having problems because of sudo: "no tty present and no askpass program specified"
[11:21] <juacado> I've been reading about granting permission to my user in the sudoers file but I don't think that's a good solution, any alternatives?
[11:22] <EriC^^> juacado: give permissions to your user on that specific dir maybe?
[11:23] <juacado> EriC^^, that sounds better, I'm going to try
[11:27] <Grorco> Hi I feel dumb asking this but how do I get a program to execute just by typing the name in the terminal?
[11:27] <EriC^^> Grorco: which program?
[11:28] <Proio2> EriC^^ do you have any resources to help me get started please? I'm just installing my apps and learning terminal commands
[11:28] <EriC^^> !manual | Proio2
[11:28] <Grorco> EriC^^, Well any, but specifically PyCharm at the moment
[11:28] <EriC^^> !terminal | Proio2 kind of useful too
[11:29] <pako> ciaoo
[11:29] <EriC^^> Grorco: type grep -i "Name=pycharm" /usr/share/applications/*
[11:29] <pako> !list
[11:30] <Proio2> EriC^^ thank you very much, really appreciate it
[11:30] <EriC^^> Grorco: it should show you the .desktop file for that program, run "grep Exec /path/to/that/desktopfile" and it'll show you the command it uses to launch it
[11:30] <juacado> I suppose I'll have to add my user to some group first
[11:30] <EriC^^> Proio2: no problem :)
[11:30] <EriC^^> juacado: you can use acl's if you want
[11:31] <Kurowa> hello.
[11:31] <EriC^^> juacado: setfacl -m u:<user>:<permissions> /path/to/dir
[11:32] <Grorco> EriC^^, I had already figured that out, a different way albeit
[11:32] <antipsychiatry> Hello
[11:33] <ducasse> juacado: you could also set the path to ssh-askpass in the sudoers file so it prompts graphically
[11:33] <Grorco> EriC^^, so how do I change it so I can just type pycharm to launch it?
[11:33] <Kurowa> I want to ask for recommendation for multiboot USB creator similar to YUMI for windows?
[11:34] <EriC^^> Grorco: you can set an alias for it, alias pycharm='<command>' and put it in .bashrc
[11:34] <antipsychiatry> ATENTION !!!!! Psychiatry must be ABOLISHED !!!!!!!!! Psychiatry is a fake !!!!!!!!!!!!! Please $$$$$$$$$$ visit WHY PSYCHIATRY MUST BE ABOLISHED on antipsychiatry.org
[11:34] <jatt> jeez
[11:35] <tobias_> lol
[11:35] <antipsychiatry> Hello tobias....
[11:36] <tobias_> offtopic? haha
[11:36] <Grorco> EriC^^, .bashrc?
[11:36] <halpme> ma laptop died: I saved the hdd. There is a working OS and all my data there. Can I access that data from another computer?
[11:36] <EriC^^> Grorco: ~/.bashrc
[11:36] <halpme> I dont mean replacing the HDD of another computer with mine: that would work, but I cannot do that atm
[11:36] <halpme> all I have is a windows os
[11:37] <tobias_> halpme: plug it in another pc, run lsblk to find devicename, mount it with mount /dev/sd<paritionnumber> /mnt
[11:38] <halpme> tobias_: that another computer has to have a linux distro installed, right? or does lsblk work on a windows os?
[11:38] <halpme> that other*
[11:38] <tobias_> halpme: correct
[11:38] <halpme> not an option atm
[11:39] <tobias_> halpme: depending on the filesystem on that disk it could me mounted in windows
[11:39] <halpme> tobias_: would that work from a NUC6 with nothing on it?
[11:39] <halpme> in it*
[11:40] <tobias_> halpme: whats the OS on that machine ?
[11:40] <halpme> tobias_: empty, Im buying it in 3 days time
[11:40] <halpme> although I could install any ubuntu distro and mount it from there as you said....
[11:41] <Grorco> EriC^^, do I just put it at the end of the file?
[11:41] <tobias_> halpme: that would be my solution anyway
[11:41] <halpme> mmmmmmmm...
[11:41] <antipsychiatry> ATENTION PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...... they spy on your thoughts !!!! They use MIND READING !!!!!! They use REMOTE NEURAL MONITORING !!!!!!!!! Check on internet about ex NSA people who expose this !  Also, here in Israel they listen the people's mind !!!! They are criminals . have no respect for the human being !!!!!!!!!!! I hope will appear in some
[11:41] <antipsychiatry> day a device to catch this people and put in prison!
[11:42] <Grorco> EriC^^, it says in the file to but it into .bash_aliases
[11:42] <ducasse> antipsychiatry: spam somewhere else
[11:42] <pimpMyNick> I need to add resolution of 1600x900 on my Full HD monitor, using ubuntu 16.04. Xrandr and Xorg-conf method is not working, although it works on all previous versions. May I get some help?
[11:43] <antipsychiatry> Ducasse: this is not spam!!!!!!!!! Be cool.
[11:44] <milf_> hi
[11:44] <Kurowa> but that's their job.
[11:45] <Kurowa> hi
[11:46] <Grorco> I got permission denied
[11:50] <jpmh> I wanted to add google-authenticator to my ssh log ins.  It is working well, BUT, in order for it to work, following the instructions, I needed to comment out @include common-auth in  /etc/pam.d/sshd and add auth required pam_google_authentircator - in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I added AuthenticationMethods publickey,keyboard-interactive password
[11:50] <jpmh> now all works VERY well for the accounts with public keys and authenticator - BUT - the password accounts now accept ANY password - Clearly unacceptable - what did I do wrong
[11:53] <pimpMyNick> I want to ask a question from ubuntu community official. can anyone tell website plz? is it ubuntu forums, askubuntu or some other?
[11:58] <Kurowa> so... recommendation for multiboot USB?
[11:59] <Kurowa> other than multisystem.
[12:01] <roflraptor> Kurowa: Under windows I know that you can use YUMI, under linux idk tbh
[12:01] <yreg> Hello guys
[12:01] <chtoetoboje> Hi yreg
[12:01] <yreg> I am trying to remaster mys system, which has more than GB, and can not shrink it to less
[12:02] <yreg> hey chtoetoboje !
[12:02] <yreg> I know this is an annoying recurring question, but I figured maybe someone can point me towards a solution
[12:03] <yreg> I already added this flag:  -allow-limited-size to mkiso, and commented out the exits upon 4+ GB fs detection
[12:04] <yreg> and I am getting an ISO image with 5.5 Gb
[12:04] <yreg> when I try to install it to a VM, I get an error during startup (either the install or the live option)
[12:05] <Grorco> EriC^^, I got it working thank you so much!
[12:05] <yreg> saying that system is unable to mount /cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[12:07] <W84meh> Anybody know android code?
[12:07] <yreg> but when I try to mount it to my host system : mount /media/user/LiveCD/casper/filesystem.squashfs /path/to/mountpoint -t squashfs -o loop the 5+ GB squash fs is mounted correctly
[12:07] <tekisui> hola
[12:07] <yreg> any one would have an idea on how to fix this
[12:07] <yreg> ?
[12:08] <tekisui> ¿
[12:08] <pimpMyNick> W84meh,  bucky's tutorials youtube
[12:08] <Grorco> does anyone use gdevilspie? I'm trying to use it in 16.04 and it doesn't seem to do anything
[12:08] <tekisui> after updating to ubuntu 16.04 many bugs
[12:08] <tekisui> so switched to lubuntu
[12:09] <W84meh> thanks pimpMyNick
[12:09] <pimpMyNick> I need to add resolution of 1600x900 on my Full HD monitor, using ubuntu 16.04. Xrandr and Xorg-conf method is not working, although it works on all previous versions. May I get some help?
[12:09] <big> vlc
[12:09] <big> install vlc
[12:13] <Grorco> I think it's impossible to have a program load on a different workspace :(
[12:13] <ggnoredo> is there any good note-taking app that can sync between OSX on Ubuntu and you will recommend?
[12:13] <big> apt-get install boot
[12:15] <tekisui> hai hai
[12:15] <Kurowa> help on mkdosfs?
[12:17] <noobuntu> Guys I get this error message (http://i.imgur.com/6qXGhhv.png) in an hour or two and my wifi doesn't work unless I restart. Extremely annoying, only came up after 16.04LTS update. Any solutions?
[12:17] <noobuntu> http://i.imgur.com/6qXGhhv.png
[12:17] <big> telecharger ubuntu 16
[12:21] <ducasse> Grorco: not at all, devilspie can automatically move a window to another workspace. some wm's also have such a feature built-in.
[12:21] <Grorco> ducasse, that's what I'm having trouble with. Does it auto-start the program?
[12:22] <ducasse> Grorco: no, when devilspie is running the window will be moved when you start the program.
[12:24] <Grorco> ducasse, That's not working either.
[12:25] <ducasse> Grorco: which wm/de are you running?
[12:25] <Grorco> ducasse, compiz, mate
[12:26] <Grorco> ducasse, marco sorry I forgot I switched it back because I was having problems
[12:27] <Grorco> 16.04
[12:30] <lapion> anyone of oem alsa audio in here ?
[12:30] <SchrodingersScat> Grorco: huh, that's neat.  also check out wmctrl
[12:30] <lapion> anyone of the  oem alsa audio ppa team in here ?
[12:31] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, doesn't work for pycharm either
[12:31] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, or I need a long pause to let it load before moving it
[12:32] <SchrodingersScat> Grorco: yeah, I normally get the pid and then have it loop wmctrl searching for that pid until it pops up.
[12:32] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, I'm not sure how to do that
[12:33] <Floater> Hey guys Im wondering how I can make a .jar (java) file always executable on linux??
[12:33] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, I had sh -c '"/home/warren/Downloads/pycharm-community-2016.2/bin/pycharm.sh" %f && wmctrl -r 'pycharm' -t 3'
[12:34] <SchrodingersScat> Grorco: mpv can take a long time to start depending on the situation, so I background it, catch it into a variable, pid=$! ; then until wmctrl -l -p | grep -i "$pid"  &>/dev/null ; do echo "Waiting for window" ; sleep .5 ; done
[12:34] <ducasse> Grorco: never tried that, but it worked fine with xfce. according to what i can find online, gdevilspie works fine with mate.
[12:35] <zergut> hi
[12:35] <zergut> how to set JAVA_HOME variable?
[12:35] <SchrodingersScat> JAVA_HOME="/foo/bar/path"
[12:35] <zergut> in command line?
[12:36] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, how do you background it? I've never worked with any start-up scripts :/
[12:36] <SchrodingersScat> zergut: can set it in your bash files if you need it to load every time, like .bashrc
[12:36] <zergut> i have edited /etc/environment/
[12:36] <zergut> am i fool?
[12:37] <SchrodingersScat> Grorco: a single & is background. so for your case it would be, sh -c '"/home/warren/Downloads/pycharm-community-2016.2/bin/pycharm.sh" %f &      #and then $! represents the pid of the backgrounded process, so you can catch that in a variable.
[12:38] <SchrodingersScat> zergut: guess that depends on your intent, what are you trying to do?
[12:38] <zergut> this is my /etc/environment file http://pastebin.com/VErJYmtr
[12:38] <zergut> i've installed Gradle
[12:38] <zergut> and it says ERROR: JAVA_HOME is set to an invalid directory: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java
[12:38] <zergut> when i type echo $JAVA_HOME
[12:39] <zergut> there is nothing, i mean like empty string
[12:39] <zergut> i guess im trying to make this error disappear :)
[12:40] <ducasse> zergut: a better place for user config is ~/.bashrc, files in /etc are for system-wide config. log out and in after editing.
[12:40] <SchrodingersScat> right, I'd probably put the /etc/ back to default and play with .bashrc as well
[12:40] <bosco> hey
[12:41] <zergut> bashrc in the root?
[12:41] <zergut> directory
[12:41] <SchrodingersScat> your home
[12:41] <zergut> oh
[12:41] <SchrodingersScat> bosco: oh hey
[12:41] <zergut> thanks, ill try!
[12:42] <SchrodingersScat> zergut: as far as the directory not existing, does it exist?
[12:42] <zergut> yeah, i see the file in my home
[12:43] <noobuntu> Any ideas what I can do about this error? http://i.imgur.com/6qXGhhv.png
[12:44] <noobuntu> wifi stops after this until restart
[12:45] <zergut> btw what does mean "export JAVA_HOME"
[12:45] <zergut> line?
[12:47] <akik> zergut: if you had multiple versions of java installed, you could change the version with that
[12:48] <SchrodingersScat> zergut: I normally do it all in one line, export variable="/foo/bar/"
[12:48] <Zncing> hello
[12:49] <zergut> akik: i have 2 open JDK and one oracle's
[12:49] <Zncing> hi
[12:50] <zergut> SchrodingersScat: got it, thank you
[12:50] <Antipsychiatry> Psychiatry must be abolished!!!!!!!!! Why secret service dont expose this FAKE psychiatry?????? Www.antipsychiatry.org
[12:51] <Zncing> which do you use  linux ?
[12:51] <Antipsychiatry> Why they SS are hand in hand with this satanic psychiatry????????
[12:53] <Kurowa> hello. can I request help on mkdosfs?
[12:54] <Floater> Is there a way to run a file @ startup without root? A bashfilet hat does not require root?
[12:55] <Zncing> yes
[12:55] <Zncing> oh my zsh
[12:56] <Zncing> have use it ?
[12:56] <Floater> I really need help with that, i have a .jar that I need to run @ startup
[12:56] <Floater> Not yet
[12:57] <Floater> It's an alternative to bash
[12:57] <Floater> it looks so much better than the original ;3
[12:59] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, I keep getting an syntax error near unexpected token `then'
[12:59] <zergut> okay i've edited bashrc and when i type echo $JAVA_HOME it says nothing anyway
[12:59] <zergut> and Gradle still not run
[13:01] <Grorco> SchrodingersScat, I figured that part out lol I am way to tired
[13:04] <Miharu> Hi.
[13:05] <ADB_ADM02> ADM03 reboot the server pls Thanks!
[13:05] <ADB_ADM02> Please reboot!
[13:05] <ADB_ADM02> OK thanks!
[13:05] <ADB_ADM02> And sorry about Mac i don't know!
[13:06] <ADB_ADM02> ADM01_SYSADM please halt the Ubuntu server 02
[13:06] <Miharu> Say... Is 64GB flash drive no good for creating a liveUSB? I want to create ubuntu liveUSB from windows, but cannot format it into FAT32 (either exFAT or NTFS). Help?
[13:06] <ducasse> zergut: did you log out and back in?
[13:06] <zergut> yeah
[13:07] <Miharu> Sorry for the noob question.
[13:08] <ducasse> Miharu: you don't need to format the usb stick to make a live usb.
[13:09] <guite> Hi everyone
[13:09] <Miharu> Huh??? Really?
[13:10] <ducasse> Miharu: just write the image, it will overwrite any existing filesystem anyway.
[13:10] <guite> I would like to get rid of an error message ”nvidia-modeset not found”. I was wondering in which package this “nvidia modeset stuff” is installed, does anybody knows that ?
[13:10] <guite> I switched to Xenial few weeks ago
[13:10] <guite> ubuntu 16.04, kernel 4.4
[13:11] <Miharu> To be honest I want to use multiboot in YUMI. The tutorial said to format it in FAT32..
[13:11] <ducasse> Miharu: totally different thing.
[13:13] <maqbool> irc://irc.gnome.org/newcomers
[13:13] <maqbool> #newcomers
[13:13] <Miharu> So... just format it in whatever I need, and let the application do its work?
[13:13] <Miharu> Thanks, will try now.
[13:14] <guite> the correct error message I get is : “modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-modeset not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-34-generic”
[13:19] <guite> and of course, using modprobe, I get :
[13:19] <guite> -> # modprobe nvidia_361_modeset
[13:19] <guite> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_361_modeset': No such device
[13:19] <guite> that’s disappointing :)
[13:21] <guite> (I’ll be afk for a while, but don’t hesitate to hl me if you can help me, I’ll answer asap :) )
[13:28] <CodingCookie> UNetbootin doesn't show any usb stick, iam on a macbook pro, i allready used disk utility to change the format to Exfat. May someone of you could help me?
[13:29] <mosb3rg> i would recommend Fat32
[13:30] <mosb3rg> or Fat if your formatting with Disk Utility i think
[13:30] <mosb3rg> often UNetbootin wont recognize sticks correctly with the wrong file system
[13:31] <mosb3rg> occasionally if the stick is very large it will show as a normal HDD depending on the brand as well.
[13:31] <CodingCookie> ive got a intenso 16gb usb stick
[13:31] <mosb3rg> that shouldnt be too large, just requires a Fat32 format
[13:32] <mosb3rg> do you have gparted ?
[13:32] <mosb3rg> ah im sorry you said mac hang on.
[13:32] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, do you try to create liveusb?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:32] <Guest20220> hi
[13:33] <mosb3rg> http://qsee.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2560/~/mac%3A-how-to-format-a-flash-drive-to-fat32-in-mac-os-x
[13:33] <mosb3rg> use these settings on the stick, then put it in and close/open UNetbootin
[13:33] <CodingCookie> Guest20220: no, i just want to install gnome ubuntu on my friends computer, but the usb stick doesn't appears
[13:34] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, if yes, so you can use dd in terminal
[13:34] <mosb3rg> good old disk destroyer :P
[13:35] <tjingboem> what s the best off-line website builder for Ubuntu?
[13:35] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, so you can really try dd to make bootable usb stick
[13:36] <mosb3rg> yes just forces the image into onto the stick,
[13:36] <zergut> ducasse: so, what do you think it may be?
[13:37] <CodingCookie> Guest20220: would it be possible that the usb stick isn't bootable anyways, so unetbootin doesn't recognize it
[13:37] <ducasse> zergut: i suspect you might not have set the variable correctly, since echo reports it as empty
[13:38] <zergut> i've done 3 steps
[13:39] <zergut> open bashrc file with gksudo gedit bashrc
[13:39] <zergut> edit it
[13:39] <zergut> and close
[13:39] <zergut> then relogin
[13:40] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, so you can try open terminal in folder with ubuntu, than try in terminal "dd if=ubuntugnome.iso of=/dev/sdb" or /dev/blc1 i just dont remember system partitions in mac , you can see where flash drive is in disk utility
[13:40] <zergut> if i open file now, it looks like edited, i mean before my corrections it was aboslutely empty
[13:40] <zergut> ducasse: so, what do you think?
[13:40] <ducasse> zergut: are you actually using bash or some other shell?
[13:41] <zergut> i guess it's bash
[13:41] <zergut> Gnome Terminal
[13:41] <ducasse> zergut: 'echo $SHELL'
[13:41] <zergut> it says /bin/bash
[13:42] <ducasse> zergut: and what did you add to .bashrc?
[13:43] <zergut> JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle"
[13:43] <zergut> and
[13:43] <zergut> export JAVA_HOME
[13:43] <lordcirth> zergut, just please triple-check your dd command :)  It's called Destroyer of Disks for a reason
[13:44] <ducasse> zergut: and 'echo $JAVA_HOME' reports it empty?
[13:44] <zergut> ducasse: yeap
[13:44] <ducasse> zergut: try 'source ~/.bashrc'
[13:45] <CodingCookie> Guest20220: if im trying to it with dd output ->dd: /dev/disk2: Resource busy
[13:45] <zergut> ducasse: yeap
[13:45] <zergut> now output is correct
[13:46] <zergut> but gradle still says error, wrong JAVA_HOME directory
[13:46] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, /dev/disk2 it is flash drive? if so, try to unmount it on disk utility
[13:47] <ducasse> zergut: for some reason it seems ~/.bashrc is not sourced on startup. do you have the file ~/.profile?
[13:47] <Floater> I really need help with that, i have a .jar that I need to run @ startup - how can i do this without access to root?
[13:47] <Guest20220> COdingCookie, os command will be the next, dd if=nameofisofile.iso of=/dev/disk2
[13:48] <zergut> ducasse: yes, i have
[13:48] <ducasse> zergut: make sure it sources ~/.bashrc
[13:48] <zergut> one sec, ill show it
[13:49] <CodingCookie> Guest20220: i think it need it's time to get things done , allready wating 2min
[13:50] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, depending on speed of flashdrive, so now just wait)
[13:50] <zergut> ducasse: http://pastebin.com/fmfCi1yR is it okay?
[13:51] <zergut> i just need to add on last line 'source ~/.bashrc' , right?
[13:53] <ducasse> zergut: that file should already do so, so you shouldn't need to
[13:54] <zergut> i dont understand what's going on, then :)
[13:54] <Floater> ??
[13:54] <ducasse> zergut: have you also got ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login?
[13:54] <zergut> no
[13:54] <zergut> i havent
[13:56] <ducasse> zergut: then i don't know what's going on, ~/.bashrc _should_ be sourced. you can try adding it to ~/.profile anyway, but...
[13:56] <ducasse> zergut: btw, are you trying to start this program from gui or cli?
[13:56] <zergut> cli
[13:58] <ducasse> zergut: which terminal was this? gnome terminal?
[13:58] <zergut> yeap
[13:58] <ducasse> zergut: look in the settings if it is set to start as a login shell or not
[13:58] <Guest20220> how to enable vsync in compton?
[13:59] <CodingCookie> Guest20220: thanks a lot! :) it works now
[13:59] <Guest20220> CodingCookie, no problems )
[13:59] <random_troublesh> How come my GPU does not show up under "Additonal drivers"? GeForce 1060, I can see it with lspci
[14:00] <zergut> ducasse: how to?
[14:01] <ducasse> zergut: i have no idea, i don't use gnome terminal, but i'm guessing there should be a setting for it.
[14:01] <ducasse> Guest20220: 'man compton', press '/' to search for 'vsync'.
[14:01] <Guest20220> duscasse, thx
[14:04] <Azitrex> in ps command filed of C is number of cpu core ?
[14:05] <aki237> Guys, I have a laptop with a AMD Radeon Graphics Card (VenID : 666f, HD 8550M). It seems AMD has dropped support for its fglrx drivers in Ubuntu 16.04 (rather xorg 1.18)
[14:05] <random_troublesh> solved my issue, added ubuntu-graphics repository
[14:05] <aki237> What should I do switch the default Renderer.
[14:06] <aki237> I have the drivers. Everywhere it is advised to run the Open Source Drivers.
[14:07] <aki237> Always the glxinfo says I'm running Mesa 3D with intel Haswell graphics. I just need a way to switch the cards
[14:18] <bitkid_> hey guys, need some help with usb live inarLL
[14:18] <bitkid_> install*
[14:19] <bitkid_> i am getting 1k+ "new high-speed usb device" etc
[14:19] <bitkid_> no usb device is connected
[14:19] <bitkid_> i even unpluged the mouse and keyboard
[14:21] <bitkid_> any tips?
[14:22] <lordcirth> bitkid_, laptop or desktop?
[14:22] <funkyheadgirl> Hi
[14:23] <bitkid_> desktop
[14:23] <funkyheadgirl> I was wondering if you could help me here?
[14:23] <lordcirth> funkyheadgirl, yes, this is the #ubuntu support channel
[14:24] <funkyheadgirl> I tried to connect my computer to internet via my phone but it says server not found or something about DNS not working right
[14:24] <funkyheadgirl> I have lenovo t430, Nokia Lumia 530 and Ubuntu 16.04
[14:25] <funkyheadgirl> At first I got problems with all internet even ethernet, but then I did something to avahi-daemon and got this via ethernet working
[14:25] <zergut> ducasse: yea, it's bash
[14:26] <funkyheadgirl> and now it's working with wireless ipv6 I think but via phone wireless it's not working
[14:26] <funkyheadgirl> what is bash?
[14:26] <funkyheadgirl> ops wrong person sorry
[14:26] <funkyheadgirl> :D
[14:26] <bitkid_> Lordcirth with the same thing i think 2 days ago, still cant get it to work...  i talked to our linux guru at work and he thinks with all the things tried it might be the motherboard
[14:27] <ducasse> zergut: what is bash?
[14:28] <zergut> i meant Gnome Terminal :)
[14:28] <zergut> login shell
[14:28] <bitkid_> i tried the grub commands from one of the supportlinks "https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304054" but same thing... it keeps comeing back to the usb thing tho
[14:29] <ducasse> zergut: i have no other suggestions, unless there is a typo in ~/.bashrc or in the filename itself.
[14:30] <lordcirth> bitkid_, yeah, it does sound like a bad usb controller or something on the southbridge
[14:31] <bitkid_> is there a way to disable that prior to boot?
[14:32] <bitkid_> lol i realy need to get this thing running before the new work week... im at the point where im considering windows and vm ubuntu...
[14:34]  * larrymi mojoruns integration
[14:34] <lordcirth> bitkid_, Don't you have a CD drive?
[14:34] <bitkid_> if u have anytips lordcirth in regards to th usb or bridge that u  metioned pelase let me know i will have the tablet open on the irc while i take evverything out of mothereboard othere then hardrive 1 gig ram cpu and gpu
[14:34] <bitkid_> ya im booting off cd now
[14:35] <lordcirth> bitkid_, so what's wrong with that?  I mean USB not working sucks but you can get it installed, right?
[14:35] <bitkid_> im just realy realy hoping its not the motherboard. excuse my spelling iv been up for 24 hours + at this point
[14:35] <bitkid_> no
[14:36] <bitkid_> so when i use cd it crashes 1/3 in the install
[14:36] <zergut> ducasse: okay, thank you very much
[14:37] <ducasse> zergut: check the simple things. is there a typo in .bashrc or in the filename itself?
[14:41] <zergut> ducasse: no typos in bashrc and what filename?
[14:41] <ducasse> zergut: ~/.bashrc
[14:41] <zergut> no
[14:42] <zergut> may be i should provide /bin directory of jvm
[14:42] <zergut> or just jvm itself?
[14:42] <ducasse> zergut: ok, you can try adding a line to source it from .profile
[14:42] <lordcirth> bitkid_, oh that's not good.
[14:43] <ducasse> zergut: don't know where the variable should point, i avoid java at all costs.
[14:43] <lordcirth> bitkid_, What's the error?  Also check the hard drive's SMART data (smartctl -a /dev/sda)
[14:43] <zergut> ducasse: ;)
[14:44] <zergut> ducasse: so like add to .profile 'JAVA_HOME="somePATH"' line or what?
[14:45] <ducasse> zergut: 'export JAVA_HOME=/usr/....' or 'source ~/.bashrc'
[14:45] <zergut> okay trying second one
[14:46] <zergut> just to last line of file?
[14:46] <zergut> http://pastebin.com/fmfCi1yR
[14:47] <ducasse> zergut: just add it to the end on a separate line
[14:50] <NiceFriend> Lets be.friend and talk in pv? Anyone?
[14:53] <zergut> ducasse: should i relogin or reboot as well?
[14:53] <ducasse> zergut: relogin
[15:02] <pac1> #node
[15:09] <Proio> Hello :-)
[15:11] <zergut> ducasse: i guess i found the "key" of problem not without help, of course
[15:12] <ducasse> zergut: is it working now?
[15:13] <Proio> Just moved from Windows to Ubuntu. I installed dropbox-nautilus but after restarting I can't use nautilus at all
[15:14] <Proio> I tried nautilus -q but that doesn't work, when I click the file manager in launcher nothing happens
[15:14] <zergut> ducasse: kinda, the problem was in /usr/bin/gradle script
[15:14] <zergut> it's kinda 'overriding' system variables i were told
[15:15] <zergut> i mean i was
[15:23] <don_> does anyone know how to install MF3240 Laser printer in ubuntu.  I have tried and search the internet and can not get it to work?
[15:25] <don_> does anyone know how to install MF3240 Laser printer in ubuntu.  I have tried and search the internet and can not get it to work?
[15:28] <ducasse> !patience | don_ it is quiet here on weekends
[15:29] <don_> I tried searching there as well
[15:29] <don_> Everything I have found did not work.
[15:32] <zergut> ducasse: yeap all is kinda working
[15:32] <tonyt> don _ https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140724
[15:32] <ducasse> zergut: ok, good :)
[15:32] <zergut> but version on ubuntu reps was ancient so i have to update ;)
[15:32] <zergut> ducasse: thanks a lot!
[15:32] <ducasse> zergut: no problem :)
[15:33] <tonyt> don_ also https://www.canondrivers.org/canon-mf3240-driver-download/ . there is a email listed to contact the maker of your printer
[15:33] <don_> That is wrong printer.  That is for the MF4270
[15:34] <tonyt> ok sorry. email them and ask
[15:34] <tonyt> admin@canondrivers.org
[15:34] <don_> I send them an email as well
[15:34] <tonyt> k
[15:35] <ducasse> don_: afaik, canon are not the best for linux support. if there are no drivers on their website or openprinting.org you might be stuck.
[15:35] <johnc4510> don_: do you have the correct driver?...googled this: MF3240 Laser printer driver linux...and got the driver page at cannon
[15:36] <johnc4510> linux is supported
[15:36] <don_> I tried everything
[15:36] <don_> I know it says it is linux supported but I can not get it working
[15:36] <johnc4510> ah
[15:36] <johnc4510> driver installs not my fortay
[15:36] <thowe> I installed ubuntu LTS to my second HD, but the boot load (grub maybe) appears to have put itself on the first HD somehow beside the boot loader for pc-bsd...
[15:37] <ubuntu-mate> I have a question for an Ubuntu guru...
[15:37] <don_> I even tried doing a Virtual Box but USB is not detecting in VB.
[15:39] <anonymous_> Hi im am new here can you explain me more for this chat
[15:40] <tonyt> it is a ubuntu support channel
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> Ubuntu seems to have a problem mounting a shared disk on an apple time capsule
[15:41] <anonymous_> iok
[15:42] <ubuntu-mate> I can find the command to mount one manually, but why doesn't Ubuntu do this automatically?
[15:42] <ducasse> ubuntu-mate: which protocol is used to export the disk?
[15:43] <ubuntu-mate> I think it is a windows share, with a disk password.
[15:44] <knifework> does anyone know of a channel specifically for xfce on chrunbuntu?
[15:44] <jereluth> is there a way to get the close and minimize buttons on the top right instead of the left
[15:44] <jereluth> i'm so used to windows
[15:45] <ubuntu-mate> As I understand it, the manual command is needed to specify a different type of authentication
[15:45] <akik> ubuntu-mate: does apple provide a linux client for time capsule?
[15:46] <ubuntu-mate> I doubt it
[15:46] <akik> ubuntu-mate: i doubt ubuntu has anything especially written for time capsule
[15:46] <bekks> akik: no.
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> I am able to get it mounted with a cifs command.  I am curious why this isn't handled in the GUI
[15:48] <ubuntu-mate> ok, thanks bye
[15:48] <bekks> ubuntu-mate: windows shares dont have disk passwords, but only share passwords - or requiring user authentification against the authentification mechanism used by the host providing the share.
[16:20] <Azitrex> installing a 32bit gnu/linux on a 64bit machine could to take lower ram compare to installing 64bit of OS ?
[16:21] <lordcirth> Azitrex, in theory yes but I don't think it's by much
[16:21] <lordcirth> Azitrex, instead use a lighter desktop environment (say Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu) and consider installing zram
[16:22] <tripleshackle> clear
[16:22] <tgm4883> Azitrex: how much RAM do you have?
[16:25] <Azitrex> lordcirth: it's a server node , with 512 MB of Ram and i must be run some heavy services and when all things deployed Ram is main problem and i want to config best condition i know about swap but i want to have Ram performance at the first
[16:25] <Azitrex>  i know Data-Bus in 64bit machine is 64 address access to memory cell but when i installing 32 bit of OS Data-Bus changed ? i think no but i dont test it yet any experiance ?
[16:26] <lordcirth> Azitrex, 64bit binaries tend to be slightly larger, that's all.
[16:26] <tgm4883> wow 512MB RAM
[16:26] <lordcirth> Azitrex, look at zram.  It compresses less-used pages in ram to prevent swapping
[16:26] <OerHeks> "heavy services" ..
[16:32] <tpw_rules> hello. i am trying to erase an external usb drive using a command like "dd if=/dev/zero | pv | dd bs=1M of=/dev/sdd1" and am getting wildly varying transfer speeds. A decent portion of the time it's at ~100MB/s and the rest it's down qt 4MB/s. is there caching i can enable/disable/etc to get a smoother picture?
[16:33] <OerHeks> bs=4M might work faster
[16:33] <tpw_rules> doesnt' change anything
[16:33] <tpw_rules> but it will be maybe 100MB/s for 3 seconds then 4MB/s for 6
[16:33] <tpw_rules> in a loop
[16:35] <chunwang_> hello
[16:37] <seednode> tpw_rules, perhaps you're hitting the limitations of the write buffer?
[16:37] <Azitrex> lordcirth: i read about zRAM at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt do you think is have better performance compare to swap ? means i could to remove swap and use zRAM instead ?
[16:37] <The[void]> hey guys, is there any easy way to upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to ubuntu mate 16.04.1 without doing a fresh install?
[16:38] <tpw_rules> seednode: yeah, but i'd expect it to level out to the average at some point? i didn't know the write buffer had a hysteresis, which is what it looks like
[16:38] <seednode> tpw_rules, no clue, I've not seen that before in practice, just throwing out ideas
[16:38] <tpw_rules> my system has a lot of RAM, so it's conceivable that it can fill up at 100MB/s, then stay at some lower level. but why would it drop to 4 and then recover?
[16:38] <tpw_rules> okay
[16:39] <stonerl> hi hope someone can help me. I try to install ejabberd on Ubuntu 16.04 from the repos. But installetion always fails because ao a missing pid file:
[16:39] <stonerl> ejabberd.service: PID file /run/ejabberd/ejabberd.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory
[16:39] <stonerl> has anybody cloud what to do?
[16:39] <seednode> Is the USB drive a USB-attached spinning rust drive, or some form of flash?
[16:39] <tpw_rules> spinning rust
[16:39] <hoijui> today i ran the update from ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04.01, and after restart, right when starting to boot from HD, i just get a few times: "error: File not found" (about 4 or 5 times)
[16:39] <tpw_rules> over usb 3.0
[16:39] <seednode> Hm... I'd expect the scenario I described more often over flash
[16:39] <tpw_rules> yeah
[16:39] <hoijui> i can boot from USB (already did)
[16:40] <tpw_rules> to be honest it's almost entirely aesthetic. i think the average is around 60-70MB/s but i want an accurate estimate since this is gonna take a while
[16:40] <tpw_rules> and i have ntohing better to do right now ;P
[16:41] <hoijui> the system uses md raid
[16:41] <lordcirth> Azitrex, with only 512MB you'll want zram and swap, probably
[16:42] <tpw_rules> hoijui: do you get grub?
[16:43] <The[void]> hey guys, is there any easy way to upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to ubuntu mate 16.04.1 without doing a fresh install?
[16:44] <lordcirth> The[void], backup and do-release-upgrade
[16:44] <tpw_rules> hoijui: http://askubuntu.com/questions/234088/how-to-make-grub2-detect-and-boot-ubuntu-on-a-raid-1 i think this i what you want to do. it sounds like grub didn't get rewritten with the correct raid drivers so it can't find its boot files
[16:44] <hoijui> tpw_rules, i think no grub
[16:45] <hoijui> ahh cool, thanks tpw_rules! that sounds very likely! will try
[16:45] <The[void]> lordcirth but wont that just upgrade to the newest regular ubuntu?
[16:46] <OerHeks> The[void], that is what you asking, 16.04.1 ????
[16:46] <The[void]> but transitioning from regular ubuntu,  to ubuntu mate
[16:46] <OerHeks> The[void], and if you want to change desktop too, just install that?
[16:46] <lordcirth> The[void], oh, from Ubuntu standard to mate?
[16:47] <lordcirth> Yeah just upgrade then install MATE, confirm it's working, uninstall the old if you like
[16:47] <OerHeks> uninstalling desktops can give vary results.. i would leave it there
[16:47] <The[void]> ah,  i thought the mate branch was more than just a DE
[16:48] <tpw_rules> well it comes only with mate on the installer
[16:52] <e24k> hi
[16:52] <EriC^^> hello
[16:52] <e24k> I'm using xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:52] <EriC^^> great
[16:53] <EriC^^> ubuntu 16.04 here, any problems?
[16:53] <e24k> when I open settings > appearance > style , I only have a few themes
[16:53] <EriC^^> !themes | e24k
[16:54] <e24k> can I upload a picture here?
[16:54] <EriC^^> yeah, imgur.com
[16:54] <lordcirth> e24k, imgur
[16:55] <OerHeks> best theme tool is unity-tweak-tool
[16:56] <e24k> http://imgur.com/a/EFuVo
[16:57] <e24k> I have a few styles
[16:57] <e24k> I also installed xfce4-goodies
[16:57] <e24k> but I couldn't find any changes in style
[16:58] <e24k> one more time I have to say , I'm using xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:59] <tpw_rules> my computer has two monitors. when i wake it up, ubuntu decides seemingly arbitrary which one I will be typing my password into. it changes from one wakeup to the next. any way to pin it down?
[17:00] <EriC^^> tpw_rules: it depends where your mouse is
[17:00] <lordcirth> tpw_rules, probably but I don't think it'd be worth the hassle
[17:00] <lordcirth> Yeah, the one that had focus
[17:00] <OerHeks> e24k, If the theme contains scalable images it's better to install the librsvg package https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[17:00] <tpw_rules> hm okay. fair enough
[17:01] <tpw_rules> so whichever monitor had the mouse when it fell asleep is the one i log in to?
[17:01] <__raven__> hi
[17:01] <EriC^^> tpw_rules: yeah it's the one that has the login screen
[17:01] <EriC^^> you log into both though (technically)
[17:01] <tpw_rules> okay. thanks for demystifying that
[17:02] <tpw_rules> yeah
[17:02] <__raven__> not possible to connect to bluetooth audio device. message kind of "protocol not available" reported. os: xubuntu 16.04lts. any idea?
[17:03] <OerHeks> __raven__, good start https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/bluetooth-problem-connecting.html
[17:04] <__raven__> OerHeks: i should be more precisely: connection is possible but problem occures at "use as audio output"
[17:05] <tgm4883> on mine the login screen switches to whatever screen the mouse is on
[17:05] <OerHeks> __raven__, checked out alsamixer > F6 ??
[17:05] <hoijui> tpw_rules, you were right! :-) boot-repair did the trick, and ubuntu seemed to have booted fine.. niice tool. thank you!
[17:05] <__raven__> OerHeks: let me do it "live"...
[17:09] <Arctorb> Hey there, can somebody help me out?
[17:09] <ducasse> !ask | Arctorb
[17:10] <somsip> Arctorb: Scanner Darkly?
[17:10] <Arctorb> Whenever ( reboot my machine, some of my settings dont stay. is there a way to fix this?
[17:11] <__raven__> OerHeks: paired audio device, right click using blueman-applet, "connect to audio output" causes "blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available"
[17:12] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/789088/bluetooth-headset-gives-error-connection-failed-blueman-bluez-errors-dbusfailed
[17:12] <OerHeks> tons of posts with the same answer
[17:12] <lordcirth> Arctorb, what settings, and what Ubuntu version?
[17:14] <Arctorb> Ubuntu Mate 16.04 wallpaper, and window manager settings.
[17:16] <__raven__> OerHeks: yeah it works thank you. what was really stupid easy... ;)
[17:17] <OerHeks> __raven__, have fun!#
[17:19] <mustmodify> If I do something like `cat filename`, and the file changes before the dump is complete, might I get a corrupt file?
[17:22] <nomic> mustmodify it won't corrupt your file
[17:22] <nomic> its only reading it, whatever it does
[17:22] <nomic> in terms of display, if a large file, changing
[17:23] <nomic> the display may be corrupt
[17:23] <nomic> file won't be corrupt
[17:23] <nomic> try it
[17:24] <sLaNj> Good afternoon all.
[17:25] <sLaNj> I'm having some issues with ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  I'm VERY new to linux and am having some problems getting my windows 7 shared directories to be seen by the ubuntu box.
[17:26] <sLaNj> I've gone through network, connect to server, ive tried gigolo, and gotten help from several people experienced with linux but am still unable to access my windows share workgroup.
[17:26] <sLaNj> Can anyone give me some help?
[17:27] <OerHeks> sLaNj, did you enable firewall on your ubuntu ??
[17:27] <mustmodify> sLaNj: so you have a shared directory and you can't access it from ubuntu.
[17:27] <mustmodify> What have you tried?
[17:28] <sLaNj> ive tried connecting through the basic network tab in files.  i get to the workgroup dir but it just times out when trying to connect
[17:28] <sLaNj> ive tried smb://PC name
[17:28] <FyrePhoenix> hi all, quick question.  is qmail still a viable mta today?
[17:28] <sLaNj> as well as smb://ip
[17:28] <sLaNj> i also installed gigolo remote system manager
[17:28] <sLaNj> no luck on any
[17:29] <sLaNj> and im positive i have enabled all sharing in the win 7 machine
[17:29] <sLaNj> im able to browse all my shares from 3 other windows pc's
[17:29] <sLaNj> just not this ubuntu install
[17:30] <sLaNj> whatever i do, the connection times out
[17:30] <mustmodify> sLaNj: are you comfortable using the command line / shell?
[17:30] <sLaNj> comfortable, not really.  but im willing to try
[17:30] <sLaNj> i don't know most of the shell commands
[17:30] <mustmodify> ok, but you've done it?
[17:30] <sLaNj> i also spent about 4 hours on ubuntu forums
[17:30] <sLaNj> yes
[17:30] <OerHeks>  sudo ufw allow 139 && sudo ufw allow 445 did the trick for me
[17:31] <sLaNj> ive used it to install samba
[17:31] <sLaNj> and nautilus
[17:31] <OerHeks> sLaNj, easy on the enter please
[17:31] <sLaNj> ok, sorry.  i have a tendency to hit enter after every thought.
[17:31] <mustmodify> sLaNj: do you want it set up one time or permanently?
[17:31] <mustmodify> semi-permanently.
[17:32] <sLaNj> permanantly
[17:33] <sLaNj> It's for all my movie/music/tv shares that i'd like to access from this install.
[17:33] <mustmodify> ok, let's see...
[17:33] <mustmodify> type `which smbclient`
[17:33] <mustmodify> and tell me what you get.
[17:34] <sLaNj> i get /usr/bin/smbclient
[17:34] <mustmodify> good.
[17:34] <mustmodify> What is the IP of your windows machine?
[17:34] <sLaNj> 192.168.0.5
[17:36] <ducasse> FyrePhoenix: i doubt many people are still using it, i haven't heard of any in years.
[17:36] <mustmodify> type "smbclient -L //192.168.0.5 -U (your username)
[17:36] <mustmodify> "
[17:37] <sLaNj> warning the syslog option is deprecated
[17:37] <mustmodify> hunh...
[17:37] <sLaNj> ive entered my password and get protocol negotiation failed: errdos:errnomem
[17:37] <|\n> hello, after update to 16.04 pavucontrol doesn't see any devices (no sound), dmesg looks okay, i can play with levels in alsamixer, what are my options? please
[17:38] <OerHeks> great, untypable name ..
[17:38] <|\n> |+tab
[17:38] <sLaNj> oh wait a sec i forgot the quotes, i get no such file or directory
[17:38] <mustmodify> sLaNj: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-7-samba-errnomem.html
[17:38] <mustmodify> see "what it might be"
[17:38] <mustmodify> try those and let me know if that helps.
[17:39] <mustmodify> We're looking for a list of shared folders from that command.
[17:39] <sLaNj> ok, thank you.  back soon
[17:42] <Proio> Hello
[17:48] <antipsychiatry> T E N tion !        They microchipped illegal people !!!!!!!_______________!!!!!!! A BRAIN IMPLANT VICTIM*** speak out . The psychiatrists warned him not to talk about implant because they wanted to catch him in a sadist pshyche yard !!!!!!!!!
[17:49] <antipsychiatry> Atention!!!!!!
[17:49] <ducasse> !ot | antipsychiatry
[17:49] <sLaNj> mustmodify: when connecting through network/windows network/workgroup i'll get an "opening workgroup" box which times out.  when trying through gigolo i get error connecint ot "smb://slanj-pc/television" failed.  failed to mount windows share: connection timed out.
[17:51] <mustmodify> sLaNj: Sorry, I'm a bit confused.
[17:51] <mustmodify> You get that when connecting from a windows machine to a windows machine?
[17:51] <sLaNj> to a windows machine from ubuntu box
[17:51] <mustmodify> ok
[17:51] <mustmodify> connection timed out.
[17:52] <sLaNj> All my media is stored on the slanj-pc box
[17:52] <mustmodify> So you verified that your firewall is off and all that jazz?
[17:52] <sLaNj> yes i have all sharing enabled, diabled password protection and ive disabled windows firewall
[17:53] <sLaNj> I can see, and access my NAS from the ubuntu install.  I can see the ubuntu box in my windows network folder and even access it though i havent shared a dir from ubuntu so there's no files in there
[17:54] <mustmodify> type "smbclient -L //192.168.0.5 -U (your username)"
[17:56] <rexwin_> I am trying to install a game server. can somebody point me to a good tutorial site?
[17:56] <sLaNj> no such file or directory
[17:57] <OerHeks> rexwin_, you better state what gameserver, and on what ubuntu
[17:58] <cuckholder> hi
[17:58] <g0t00> join #metasploit
[17:58] <g0t00> which IRC clients are you all using
[17:58] <g0t00> ?
[17:58] <mustmodify> sLaNj: ... that's the error?
[17:58] <mustmodify> I get a list of shares.
[17:59] <jatt> microsoft IRC Express
[17:59] <OerHeks> g0t00, funny you, so you can test metasploit ??
[17:59] <rexwin_> Ubuntu 16.04.1 any gameserver Iwant to test the operations on how to run a game server
[17:59] <g0t00> Nah..
[17:59] <sLaNj> the error says no such file or directory
[18:00] <sLaNj> bash: smbclient -L //192.168.0.5 -U slanj: no such file or directory
[18:03] <mustmodify> Yeah, sorry, I don't know. Here are some ideas about troubleshooting: https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html
[18:03] <mustmodify> I did see someone say that it helps to have your windows and linux machine using the same workgroup name. So you might check on that.
[18:03] <sLaNj> OK, i'll read it.  I do appreciate your time.
[18:03] <sLaNj> they are both using WORKGROUP
[18:04] <sLaNj> :)
[18:04] <sLaNj> thanks for trying
[18:04] <g0t00> try using the administrator password.
[18:05] <g0t00> or standard password if that could help
[18:08] <circ-user-NyUDB> so...pals, opensource, right?
[18:16] <zykotick9> bekks: i'd just like to thank you.  on the 16th you recommended easytag or picard as a suggestion to someone for a tagging program.  i've used easytag for years, and lets just say in the 4 days i've used picard - it's changed my music collection!  Thanks a lot!
[18:17] <rexwin_> I am trying to run "dedicated" game-server, using Ubuntu but when I follow 8b i get ./steamcmd.sh: line 29: /home/game-server/steamcmd/linux32/steamcmd: No such file or directory
[18:21] <rexwin_> $DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$PLATFORM/$STEAMEXE" "$@" line number 29
[18:34] <nicktoora> I need help
[18:36] <fonts> I just updated and now my .pcf fonts aren''t working?
[18:36] <tbking> hey
[18:36] <tbking> i'm new here
[18:38] <tbking> hey there
[18:38] <ef> hey tbking
[18:38] <ef> really great to see you here
[18:38] <tbking> how are things goinf @ef>
[18:38] <ef> great @tbking
[18:39] <wvlf> does anyone have experience with ubuntu and SIMH?
[18:39] <tbking> no @wvlf
[18:41] <wvlf> tbking was very helpful
[18:45] <freddy_> Is it possible to use both GPU and MB for monitors simultaneously?
[19:19] <Logitech> hello
[19:20] <Logitech> how do I install the correct drivers for my GPU?  my GPU info is here:  http://paste2.org/gk5KvCDG
[19:24] <OerHeks> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, intel is standard in the kernel available. no need for drivers ..
[19:24] <OerHeks> ,, but that card is not a racemonster, maybe you can run youtube, dunno
[19:29] <Logitech> OerHeks I don't need any driver for it?  I wanna play N64 emulator
[19:30] <OerHeks> nope
[19:37] <maret> Hi everyone, I am adding google calendar to gnome calendar and I am bit shocked why it needs so many rights like -> Manage your printers, View and send chat messages, Manage your photos and videos etc
[19:37] <OerHeks> maret, i would be shocked, when google obtained all rights
[19:38] <yeats> maret: pretty sure it's *all* google services you're allowing tthere
[19:39] <maret> yeats: yeah but why? it doesnt need it all and does not have to require it all does it
[19:40] <yeats> maret: what I mean is, I'm pretty sure you can't cherry pick which google services you want and which ones you don't when integrating with gnome
[19:40] <maret> well yeah, but gnome calendar can cherry pick which google services it wants
[19:41] <OerHeks> maybe there is an option 'select all' ...
[19:41] <maret> I mean its gnome calendar so it should be safe, but still
[19:42] <maret> will try to get some info on gnome-calendar channel
[19:50] <Bray90820> Can anyone tell me if ubuntu x64 can be installed on this tablet the nextbook 10.1
[19:50] <Bray90820> http://www.nextbookusa.com/productdetail.php?product_id=21
[19:50] <technodict> need help in executing a python script on startup in Ubuntu 16.04 can anyone help ?
[19:51] <The[void]> hey folks i just upgraded to 16.04.1 form 14.04 using do-release-upgrade,  now on boot i get an error saying failed to start remount root filesystem and kernel.  any ideas?
[19:52] <OerHeks> Bray90820, if that machine has got a 64 bit processor, try it in live mode
[19:54] <OerHeks> technodict, you need to makje a unit, and plce it in systemd folder, see https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/convert-run-at-startup-script-from-upstart-to-systemd-for-ubuntu-16
[19:55] <hwpplayer1> where is ubuntu off topic
[19:55] <technodict> yes i did that but it gives me an error saying code=exited, status=203/EXEC
[19:55] <technodict> dkfjdk
[19:55] <Bray90820> OerHeks: I don't actually have the tablet to be able to try it out that's the problem
[19:55] <Bray90820> 32bit would be ok if conical wasn't discontinuing it
[19:56] <OerHeks> 32 will be here for some years..
[19:56] <hwpplayer1> can i talk to a canonical member in private ?
[19:56] <OerHeks> !offtopic
[19:57] <OerHeks> hwpplayer1, not sure cononical employees hang in here now.. i am just an ubuntu-member.
[19:57] <technodict> OerHeks: the script runs manually but doesnt work when i run it on boot
[19:57] <hwpplayer1> OerHeks : can i write to your personal space ?
[19:58] <OerHeks> hwpplayer1, if you have an account you can do that sure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/oerheks
[19:58] <Bray90820> OerHeks: Do you mean newer versions of ubuntu will be coming out with 32bit versions or just the LTS will be supported for some time
[19:59] <OerHeks> Bray90820, this 32 bit story is not happening untill the next LTS release, and that is not even sure, maybe 20.04
[20:00] <Bray90820> That's good to know
[20:00] <OerHeks> google stopped making chrome 32bit now.
[20:00] <OerHeks> not sure the new firefox that does not need flash/drm/moonlight stuff will be 32 bit
[20:01] <Bray90820> OerHeks: Thanks
[20:01] <Bray90820> I can now make my tablet purchase at ease
[20:01] <OerHeks> Bray90820,
[20:02] <Bray90820> Yes?
[20:02] <OerHeks> but to answer completely: this processor is 64 bit, and has VT-x extentions ( you need that)
[20:02] <OerHeks> http://ark.intel.com/products/80275/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735G-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz
[20:02] <Bray90820> OerHeks: Yes but I think it has 32bit efi
[20:03] <OerHeks> that won't be a problem should do 64 bit uefi too?
[20:03] <OerHeks> maybe k1l_ or daftykins can tell
[20:03] <Bray90820> so is the 32 bit refi thing only an issue in windows?
[20:03] <Bray90820> *EFI
[20:03] <OerHeks> yes, just a signed entry
[20:05] <Bray90820> So just to clarify weather or not the EFI is 32 bit I should still be able to install 64 bit ubuntu if the processor is 64 bit?
[20:06] <OerHeks> yes, i have no reason to think you cannot, but to be sure i like advise too from an other EFI expert .. i cannot find issues with that
[20:06] <Bray90820> ##efi
[20:06] <Bray90820> oops
[20:07] <Bray90820> OerHeks: Thanks
[20:07] <technodict> OerHeks: can you help me with the script issue ?
[20:08] <OerHeks> technodict, well, how fad did you come? can you paste the unit you need to write on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[20:13] <technodict> OerHeks: can you take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23073962/
[20:16] <technodict> OerHeks: this is the python script that needs to be executed http://paste.ubuntu.com/23073968/
[20:16] <vortixz> hello
[20:16] <Bray90820> OerHeks: Have a look at this :)
[20:16] <Bray90820> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/155557/installing-linux-on-an-32bit-uefi-only-machine
[20:16] <vortixz> why?
[20:17] <vortixz> can someone talk please?
[20:17] <Bricker> yes
[20:17] <vortixz> yay
[20:17] <Bricker> hello
[20:17] <vortixz> heyy
[20:18] <vortixz> I decided to switch to BackBox
[20:18] <vortixz> because Kali was kinda being a pain
[20:18] <vortixz> lol :P
[20:18] <vortixz> but i do gotta say
[20:18] <dax> my condolences, they're both awful
[20:18] <vortixz> backbox looks more nice
[20:19] <OerHeks> !backbox
[20:19] <vortixz> i'm really liking the team
[20:19] <netvixtra> Oh noes, we got a Mr Robot over here
[20:19] <vortixz> lol
[20:19] <vortixz> !kali
[20:19] <vortixz> but backbox is ubuntu
[20:19] <vortixz> O.o
[20:19] <vortixz> du heck
[20:20] <OerHeks> technodict, not sure what could be wrong about that, i hope you put in the full path to your script
[20:20] <vortixz> afro
[20:20] <vortixz> mmk
[20:20] <vortixz> cool
[20:20] <vortixz> i wish there was an option to send pics in here
[20:20] <vortixz> but ehh
[20:20] <vortixz> :P
[20:20] <technodict> OerHeks: yes i do have the full path the script has a shebang line at start
[20:21] <vortixz> !ubuntu
[20:21] <vortixz> :P
[20:21] <vortixz> !mint
[20:21] <vortixz> !cyborg
[20:21] <OerHeks> vortixz, please stop that, /msg ubottu
[20:21] <vortixz> mmk,  my bad
[20:21] <OerHeks> np, have fun
[20:22] <bipul> Hi, Changing group permissions on a file with an ACL by using chmod does not change the group-owner permissions, but does change the ACL mask. Is it true?
[20:22] <technodict> OerHeks: the script needs network to be established for working could that be a problem ?
[20:23] <james000-> Hay, just found out that steam big picture has it's own debugger. Thought some of you in here might find that neat
[20:23] <james000-> https://twitter.com/james_00000001/status/767091813685526528
[20:23] <OerHeks> technodict, wireless perhaps
[20:23] <keepo> anyone knows a wm that's similar to xmonad but doesn't use haskell for configuration
[20:23] <technodict> OerHeks: nope wired
[20:24] <technodict> (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
[20:25] <technodict> OerHeks:  it gives the following error status=203/EXEC)
[20:25] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl status blabla.service -l
[20:25] <Bray90820> Can you use grub to boot ubuntu live from USB?
[20:26] <BillK[GR]> Bray90820, how are you supposed to boot without a bootloader?
[20:26] <vortixz> hi
[20:26] <vortixz> hhi
[20:27] <Bray90820> BillK[GR]: What do you mean
[20:27] <vortixz> anyone got playstation?
[20:27] <vortixz> how do you direct message someone?
[20:27] <vortixz> :P
[20:29] <vortixz> hey lickalott
[20:29] <vortixz> :P
[20:29] <vortixz> how are you?
[20:29] <bipul> I have umask 0002 and i am log in as bipul, and i created a file say file, which has permission, -rw-rw-r-- 1 bipul bipul  file, Now i set ACL permission setfacl -m m::6, Now when i am trying to change the group owner permission with chmod 744 file, then i suppose i am updating the mask value as 4 , and there will be no changes in group owner permission.
[20:30] <Expecto> hi all
[20:31] <keepo> hi
[20:31] <vortixz> hey
[20:31] <technodict> OerHeks:  here is the complete error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/23073990/
[20:31] <vortixz> this chat is so dead omg
[20:31] <vortixz> everyone just died
[20:32] <keepo> think most ppl are just idling
[20:32] <vortixz> true
[20:32] <grubles> hello i am having trouble with fglrx: http://pastebin.com/K3smeDpR
[20:32] <vortixz> anyone have kik?
[20:32] <yeats> vortixz: #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[20:32] <keepo> kik?
[20:32] <vortixz> yeah
[20:32] <vortixz> its an app
[20:33] <OerHeks> hmm maybe you miss EnvironmentFile=
[20:33] <OerHeks> EnvironmentFile=<pathto script>/script.log 2>&1
[20:34] <vortixz> :P
[20:34] <OerHeks> i am learning systemd too, lots of changes
[20:34] <technodict> is it necessary ?
[20:34] <OerHeks> it would be logical, looking at other examples
[20:34] <technodict> yea putting scripts into rc.local was much easier
[20:40] <The[void]> hey guys, it seems the upgrade process to 16.04 from 14.04 changed the UUID of my drives.  so my rootfs isnt mounting.  how would I go about editing my /etc/fstab with the new uuid if everything is in read-only mode?
[20:40] <V7> Hey all !
[20:41] <V7> The[void]: load into recovery from Grub ?
[20:41] <V7> by root
[20:41] <The[void]> but what option would I pick?
[20:42] <V7> The[void]: http://proubuntu.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/recovery-mode-ubuntu-1.png
[20:42] <The[void]> i did that, but it still put the FS in read-only so I can't change the fstab
[20:43] <V7> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/cannot-edit-fstab-in-recovery-mode-filesystem-is-read-only-540195/
[20:43] <V7> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/185026/how-to-edit-etc-fstab-when-system-boots-to-read-only-file-system
[20:43] <V7> http://askubuntu.com/questions/543715/how-do-i-fix-a-bad-etc-fstab-if-the-hard-disk-read-only
[20:44] <bumblefuzz> every time I enter a sudo command, my computer returns "sudo: unable to resolve host $MYCOMPUTER"... how do I fix this?
[20:45] <seednode> Make sure your hostname in /etc/hostname and your localhost entry in /etc/hosts match up
[20:46] <The[void]> thanks  v7 i'll try that
[20:46] <keepo> 1
[20:46] <mlvmhn> i feel that ubuntu is slow, do i need to upgrade?
[20:46] <V7> The[void]: aw
[20:46] <V7> mlvmhn: What's slow ?
[20:46] <keepo> i had that feeling too and changed the window manager
[20:47] <keepo> get xfce or something lighter
[20:47] <mlvmhn> overall experience, my hd is working as soon as i want to install something or running many programs
[20:47] <technodict> startup script still fails to run
[20:47] <V7> mlvmhn: Take a look in process manager
[20:48] <V7> What's collecting so musch CPU time
[20:48] <V7> at *
[20:48] <mlvmhn> V7: what will i look 4?
[20:48] <technodict> Does anyone have a good understanding of systemd ? i need to execute a startup script
[20:48] <V7> For processes
[20:48] <V7> technodict: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47695/how-to-write-startup-script-for-systemd
[20:49] <V7> mlvmhn: Which processes are using a lot of resources
[20:50] <technodict> V7: i am actually done with writing my script and the .service file.. the script does execute when i run it manually using systemctl start blahblah.service but fails to start on boot
[20:50] <mlvmhn> V7: am i looking for memory use?
[20:51] <V7> technodict: systemd_analyze blame doesn't show it ?
[20:51] <V7> mlvmhn: Yup ... and also CPU %
[20:52] <V7> mlvmhn: http://www.noobslab.com/2012/02/install-indicator-multiload-in-ubuntu.html
[20:52] <V7> It'll show you resource use
[20:53] <Renon> hi!
[20:53] <mlvmhn> V7: processors are running with 22-25% capacity, but RAM is running 91%
[20:53] <V7> mlvmhn: WOW
[20:53] <bekks> mlvmhn: Pastebin "free -m" please.
[20:53] <V7> Look for processes which uses so much Ram
[20:54] <technodict> V7: i dont see blahblah.service in systemd_analyze blame
[20:54] <V7> hmm
[20:55] <bekks> mlvmhn: and whats the number shown for "sysctl vm.swappiness"?
[20:56] <mlvmhn> V7: biggest process is qBittorrent w/ 135 MB of RAM, other is taking just a few MB or perhaps 10-20 MB
[20:56] <bekks> mlvmhn: Pastebin "free -m" please.
[20:56] <mlvmhn> bekks: swap is 27%
[20:57] <bekks> mlvmhn: Pastebin "free -m" please.
[20:57] <V7> technodict: Try to create script by steps written in StackOverflow site ...
[20:57] <bekks> We need to see the entire output.
[20:57] <mlvmhn> bekks: noob here sorry, do i run the terminal?
[20:57] <V7> Yeah and type there: free -m
[20:57] <bekks> mlvmhn: Yes. Like this: free -m | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:57] <bekks> And give us the URL shown.
[20:58] <mlvmhn> bekks: http://termbin.com/com9
[20:59] <bekks> mlvmhn: and whats the number shown for "sysctl vm.swappiness"?
[20:59] <mlvmhn> bekks: where do i find it?
[20:59] <V7> Write down this command
[20:59] <bekks> mlvmhn: Type the command given you twice now.
[20:59] <V7> Like free -m
[21:00] <tgm4883> V7: he already pasted the output of that command
[21:00] <V7> Oops ... misunderstood ... I mean "like this one" *
[21:01] <mlvmhn> bekks: do you need "total" or used "swap"?
[21:01] <V7> And total and used :D
[21:01] <bekks> mlvmhn: I need the output of the command: sysctl vm.swappiness
[21:01] <V7> Your bekks ?
[21:01] <V7> Yours *
[21:02] <mlvmhn> bekks: vm.swappiness = 60
[21:02] <bekks> mlvmhn: So your box will start to swap out when 40% of your physical RAM is being used for whatever. You could raise that threshold by setting it to 10, e.g.
[21:03] <mlvmhn> bekks: buying more RAM?
[21:04] <bekks> mlvmhn: Do you even read what I am writing to you?
[21:04] <V7> 4 gb should be comfortable if your using you "box" ( as told us bekks ) carefully
[21:04] <mlvmhn> bekks: yes, how will that help me?
[21:04] <_Rick> ol
[21:04] <V7> _Rick: /o
[21:04] <jatt> 4GB is good for aphone
[21:05] <bekks> mlvmhn: It will tell your box to NOT swap out before 90% of RAM is in use.
[21:06] <mlvmhn> bekks: in the system manager the RAM is at 90.6%
[21:06] <V7> jatt: eeeew those iPhones ...
[21:06] <V7> <3 Android
[21:06] <bekks> mlvmhn: 1.2GB of your EAM is being used for caches, etc.
[21:06] <tgm4883> mlvmhn: 90% isn't necessarily a bad thing
[21:06] <V7> Ram *
[21:07] <bekks> V7: Can you please stop your pointless comments, thank you.
[21:07] <V7> I've told him to view what process uses a lot of ram
[21:07] <V7> bekks: ?
[21:07] <_Rick> question is whether you're actually having issues with your ram usage or whether you're just worried about how much you're using (just reading this so may have missed something)
[21:07] <mlvmhn> but will changing the swap progress make my system faster?
[21:07] <V7> Thank you too ... mister
[21:07] <bekks> mlvmhn: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:08] <tgm4883> he said he has high CPU usage too
[21:08] <bekks> mlvmhn: Yes, because your swap is about 1000x slower than your RAM.
[21:08] <V7> bekks: ... let him view which process is using ram
[21:09] <bekks> V7: No need to after looking at free -m
[21:09] <_Rick> "[21:56:13]  <mlvmhn>	V7: biggest process is qBittorrent w/ 135 MB of RAM, other is taking just a few MB or perhaps 10-20 MB"
[21:09] <_Rick> lol
[21:09] <V7> 135 ram ?
[21:09] <V7> Is that big ?
[21:10] <mlvmhn> i am running qBittorrent w/ 10 torrents on ul
[21:10] <V7> It's impossible ...
[21:10] <V7> Compiz should use more ram
[21:10] <mlvmhn> cpu 1 & 2 is only at 10%
[21:11] <ceibal> ceibal
[21:12] <ceibal> njnc
[21:12] <ceibal> c,
[21:12] <V7> cat /proc/1234/smaps
[21:12] <ceibal> c
[21:12] <ceibal> bryan
[21:12] <mlvmhn> bekks: Chrome is taking over 1.3 GB of RAM
[21:12] <V7> oops not here
[21:12] <bekks> mlvmhn: Which isnt much of 4G in total.
[21:12] <V7> mlvmhn: I told you
[21:12] <V7> Look for process
[21:13] <mlvmhn> V7: Spotify 100 MB
[21:14] <mlvmhn> bekks: swap file is 1GB
[21:14] <bekks> mlvmhn: run: "top -n 1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:14] <bekks> mlvmhn: Those unrelated information is worthless.
[21:14] <bekks> mlvmhn: I already told you how to solve your issue.
[21:14] <_Rick> never knew about this termbin thing.. pretty cool :)
[21:15] <mlvmhn> bekks: http://termbin.com/ko71
[21:15] <bekks> mlvmhn: So half of your CPU resources are used for chrome and stuff.
[21:16] <V7> mlvmhn: Remove chrome and use links
[21:16] <bekks> V7: Can you please stop your nonsense comments? Thank you.
[21:16] <mlvmhn> bekks: yes, Chrome w/ 10 active tabs
[21:17] <V7> bekks: What's your problem ?
[21:17] <bekks> V7: Your pointless comments.
[21:17] <V7> So then mute me
[21:17] <bekks> Done.
[21:17] <V7> Thank you
[21:17] <V7> He's so rude
[21:18] <V7> Hope he has women
[21:18] <_Rick> lol sarcasm and banter doesn't translate well over the internet
[21:18] <hggdh> V7: please stop now
[21:18] <V7> _Rick: Yeah ... you're 100% right.
[21:18] <bekks> _Rick: at least using ignore saves me from reading his nonsense any further.
[21:18] <V7> hggdh: Already if what
[21:19] <mlvmhn> bekks: so i need to change the size of my swap file?
[21:19] <bekks> mlvmhn: No.
[21:19] <bekks> mlvmhn: I told you to configuring your box for starting to swap when its needed.
[21:19] <V7> hggdh: Also ...
[21:19] <V7> Have I done something wrong ?
[21:20] <mlvmhn> bekks: sorry, how do i do that?
[21:20] <tgm4883> V7: sarcasm and commentary isn't generally needed/wanted in this channel
[21:20] <bekks> mlvmhn: run this: echo "vm.swappiness = 10" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf; sudo sysctl -p
[21:21] <V7> tgm4883: Then you should write down this c*ap in Title
[21:21] <V7> 'cause I didn't know
[21:21] <hggdh> V7: lat warning. Stop.
[21:21] <hggdh> *last
[21:21] <mlvmhn> bekks: done, how will this change my systems behaviour?
[21:22] <bekks> mlvmhn: It will tell your system to start swapping when 90% of your RAM is in real use, not 40%.
[21:22] <tgm4883> V7: um, it is in the topic  " IRC Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl "
[21:22] <V7> hggdh: As you
[21:22] <V7> say, your majesty
[21:23] <_Rick> uh oh
[21:23] <EriC^^> uh oh
[21:23] <mlvmhn> bekks: so now i am at the limit w/ 89% in the system manager?
[21:23] <bekks> mlvmhn: forget that system manager crap info :)
[21:23] <PsiKloPx> Hiya...I can't connect (SSH) to my PC at home (Ubuntu 16.04) when it is connected through vpn (PIA). Works fine without it on. Any ideas?
[21:24] <bekks> mlvmhn: please read this, as to why: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:24] <V7> PsiKloPx: other ports connectable ?
[21:24] <mlvmhn> bekks: so my system is not taking 89% RAM?
[21:24] <tgm4883> mlvmhn: don't worry about RAM usage, worry about performance
[21:25] <bekks> mlvmhn: unused RAM is wasted RAM. The question is: what is your RAM used for? The link just given answers that question.
[21:25] <mlvmhn> bekks: so i will be fine w/ my 4GB of RAM and the terminal swap command?
[21:25] <bekks> mlvmhn: Yes.
[21:26] <_Rick> PsiKloPx: pretty sure that if your VPN adds stuff to the routing table that forwards all traffic through VPN it won't be able to establish a proper connection
[21:26] <mlvmhn> bekks: is this channel on freenode?
[21:26] <bekks> mlvmhn: Yes.
[21:26] <V7> mlvmhn: Should be fine ... if not then try to minimaze your resource eating processes
[21:26] <V7> Like chrome and others
[21:26] <mlvmhn> bekks: k, just installed irc client Konversation
[21:27] <mlvmhn> bekks: thanks 4 yr help
[21:27] <bekks> mlvmhn: you're welcome
[21:28] <PsiKloPx> _Rick: I was afraid of that.
[21:31] <PsiKloPx> V7: I tried other ports but no joy.
[21:31] <V7> Is VPN server configured manually ?
[21:32] <_Rick> PIA is some hosted vpn service isn't it?
[21:32] <Folatt> hello?
[21:32] <V7> Private VPN Access
[21:33] <PsiKloPx> Yes, PIA is.
[21:33] <Folatt> Hello?
[21:33] <_Rick> hi Folatt
[21:33] <V7> Folatt: hey
[21:33] <PsiKloPx> But it can be configured manually.
[21:33] <Folatt> Anyone here?
[21:33] <V7> PsiKloPx: Private Internet Access ? (Private Internet Access)
[21:33] <V7> privateinternetaccess.com
[21:33] <PsiKloPx> V7: correct
[21:33] <dem0> PIA works great on linux
[21:34] <dem0> been using a while
[21:34] <_Rick> PsiKloPx: if you can add something to the vpn config like OpenVPN's route no-pull directive you can get around it, but it also means you need to explicitly specify what routes DO go through the vpn
[21:34] <V7> So ... did you configure it manually or you bought it fully configured ?
[21:34] <_Rick> i haven't got a clue i don't use hosted vpn providers
[21:34] <_Rick> :(
[21:34] <PsiKloPx> Just out of the box.
[21:35] <Folatt> Ah, I can see messages. I have a bad network problem. I can no longer connect to anything with my main computer.
[21:36] <bekks> Folatt: after doing what?
[21:36] <PsiKloPx> since I installed 16.04 that is. Previously it was manually configured. But I never tried connecting with SSH at that time.
[21:36] <Folatt> I use ubuntu 16.04 unity 7
[21:37] <_Rick> Folatt: did you change any configuration before you lost connectivity?
[21:37] <ranu> Hello, I'm having a problem trying to add a ppa to my computer. Here is the paste of the error: http://pastebin.com/7dYpFiAv
[21:37] <Folatt> bekks, nothing in particular.  I was watching youtube videos.
[21:37] <dem0> PIA works just by installing on unity, it also comes with a startup script which you can wire up to i3 startup script or something
[21:37] <bekks> Folatt: And what happened then?
[21:37] <Folatt> _Rick, no
[21:38] <V7> ranu: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75892/keyserver-timed-out-when-trying-to-add-a-gpg-public-key
[21:38] <Folatt> What happened was that I noticed that I lost connection.
[21:38] <PsiKloPx> dem0: PIA works great. I just can't connect remotely to the computer when it's connected through PIA.
[21:38] <V7> Folatt: That's impossible ... maybe smth. with wires or provider ?
[21:38] <Folatt> Not just to the internet, but the LAN network as well.
[21:39] <bekks> Folatt: So how did you notice that in particular?
[21:39] <V7> Folatt: You LAN network disapeared ?
[21:39] <V7> Your *
[21:40] <Folatt> bekks, because I run a server computer that I remotely connect to.
[21:40] <bekks> Folatt: and you are watching youtube videos on your server? :)
[21:41] <PsiKloPx> I asked the same question in the PIA channel but no one's talking over there.
[21:42] <Folatt> bekks, no. The server is used for programming. I needed a clean environment.
[21:42] <bekks> Folatt: So what are you doing - in full detail please - that tells your "i lost connection"?
[21:43] <V7> PsiKloPx: Let guess ... you can't connect to any port over vpn ?
[21:44] <Folatt> I have no connection. It's a wired connection. Cables are fine. Lights are blinking.
[21:44] <bekks> Folatt: How do you tell "i have no connection"? What are you DOING, in detail, please?
[21:44] <karim_> yay
[21:44] <karim_> hey
[21:44] <V7> karim_: Hey
[21:45] <Folatt> Dmesg says enp2s0 link is not ready
[21:45] <karim_> just testing irssi
[21:45] <V7> Folatt: Can you ping smth ?
[21:45] <V7> Folatt: ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[21:45] <bekks> Folatt: And what does "dmesg | grep enp2s0" tell you?
[21:47] <Folatt> V7, Network is unreachable. Including that of my router.
[21:47] <V7> roger
[21:47] <PsiKloPx> V7: correct
[21:47] <TheNH813> Wine refuses to work.
[21:47] <TheNH813> wine cmd.exe /c echo '%ProgramFiles%' returned empty string, error message 'wine: /home/administrator/.wine is not owned by you'
[21:47] <TheNH813> But I deleted the .wine folder
[21:47] <TheNH813> Adn tried reinstalling wine completely
[21:48] <TheNH813> I tried both at once. Yet still, winetricks dosen'tw ork
[21:48] <PsiKloPx> Disconnect the VPN and everything's shiny.
[21:48] <bekks> TheNH813: So look at "ls -l /home/administrator/.wine" and who is owning that.
[21:48] <TheNH813> bash: ls -l /home/administrator/.wine: No such file or directory
[21:48] <bekks> TheNH813: So look at "ls -lha /home/administrator/.wine" and who is owning that.
[21:48] <Folatt> bekks, what I told you, link down and link is not ready. I can't copy paste this from my phone.
[21:48] <V7> PsiKloPx: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/ubuntu-openvpn
[21:48] <TheNH813> ]ls: cannot access '/home/administrator/.wine': No such file or directory
[21:48] <V7> You should try reconfigure your VPN manually
[21:49] <bekks> Folatt: Did it ever work on your box?
[21:49] <Folatt> bekks, yes
[21:49] <TheNH813> Wine was working perfect until I decided to reinstall FL Studio.
[21:49] <bekks> Folatt: then dmesg should reflect that, showing that the link was ready at some time.
[21:49] <TheNH813> I have no idea why it dosen't work.
[21:49] <Folatt> bekks, it seriously just dropped out out of nowhere.
[21:50] <_Rick> did you step on the cable
[21:50] <TheNH813> Bug in a newer version of winetricks maybe? I know winetricks had been updated since I last used it. That's a clue.
[21:50] <Folatt> bekks, this is after rebooting. I'll check an older log.
[21:51] <bekks> Folatt: And your LAN isnt reachable from another box, too?
[21:51] <TheNH813> As to whoever has having VPN problems, did you try rebooting the router? Sometimes a race condition blocks all connections even if there allowed.
[21:51] <TheNH813> Happened to me the other day and I found out it wasn't affecting all the computers, just a few
[21:52] <TheNH813> Can't hurt.
[21:52] <Folatt> bekks, I don't know. My other computer doesn't have a monitor.
[21:52] <bekks> Folatt: can you reach them?
[21:53] <TheNH813> Should I just try purging winetricks and try a newer version from git? It's just a shell script after all.
[21:54] <TheNH813> Hahahahahhahahahha simply glorius! Ubuntu is providing a broken version of winetricks.
[21:54] <TheNH813> Teh version from github works!
[21:54] <ikonia> err winetricks as a concept is broken
[21:54] <jatt> 😸
[21:54] <TheNH813> True. XD
[21:54] <TheNH813> BRB filing a bug report.
[21:54] <ikonia> it's more funny that people are "using" winetricks
[21:55] <ikonia> I'd be laughing harder at people using wine tricks
[21:55] <TheNH813> I should just use playonlinux
[21:55] <ikonia> no
[21:55] <ikonia> that is another pile of junk
[21:55] <Folatt> bekks, I'll try, wait for a few mintues
[21:55] <ikonia> it's just a wrapper for wine
[21:55] <TheNH813> ikonia: Well, it's helped me convince quite a few programs to work before, but yeah it's buggy too.
[21:56] <ikonia> it's just junk
[21:56] <TheNH813> I only use it for those "special" programs
[21:56] <ikonia> if you need windows programs, use windows
[21:56] <TheNH813> I have a VM for that, but I always try to convince wine to work first.
[21:56] <ikonia> more fool you then
[21:57] <TheNH813> Trust me, once I fix wine, I'm installing FL studio in a VM, I learned my lesson. XDDD
[21:57] <ikonia> I woudln't trust someone using wine/winetricks/play on linux
[21:58] <tgm4883> well that seems irrelevant
[21:58] <ikonia> running AV - especially DAW in a VM, or via wine seems to just be asking to have problems
[21:59] <TheNH813> I just want to use a VST plugin it comes with.
[21:59] <ikonia> so use windows
[21:59] <ikonia> running it in a VM with no direct hardware access and the requirement for RTC is just going to cause problems
[22:00] <TheNH813> Windows dosen't like my hardware. Er, well, XP dosen't like my hardware. I'v near completely used Linux since 2013.
[22:01] <TheNH813> I actually run print drivers in a VM. YEah that's dumb. XD
[22:01] <ikonia> if windows doesn't like your hardware how do you expect to use a DAW program in a VM
[22:01] <ikonia> print drivers ??? what ? how is that anything to do with your DAW setup
[22:02] <TheNH813> Nothing, I was just stating that I did, due to spotty support for my printer on Linux.
[22:02] <TheNH813> Ableton runs great on XP in virtualbox.
[22:02] <TheNH813> In fact, better then on a regualr windows install. LEss overhead as everything is abstracted.
[22:02] <ikonia> it really depends what you are doing, but a general rule, a DAW will not work well, the sync and hardware access will just not work
[22:06] <urnick> why did all these people just quit
[22:06] <ikonia> netsplit
[22:07] <OerHeks> .. and massjoin
[22:07] <ranu> Hello, I'm having a problem trying to add a ppa to my computer. Here is the paste of the error: http://pastebin.com/7dYpFiAv
[22:08] <ranu> Does someone knows how at least debug the ppa thing to see what is really happening?
[22:08] <ikonia> your connection to the keyserver is not working
[22:08] <ranu> Or this is the most I can get of it
[22:08] <ranu> ?
[22:08] <ranu> ikonia: Is there a way to test it out?
[22:08] <ranu> ping maybe?
[22:08] <ikonia> ping is nothing
[22:08] <ikonia> the most likley situation is that key is not on the ubuntu key server
[22:08] <ranu> What should I do then?
[22:09] <OerHeks> or you are using a proxy .. can you update at all?
[22:09] <ranu> Yes, I can update
[22:09] <ranu> And no, I'm not behind a proxy AFAIK
[22:09] <ikonia> searching for A863D2D6 on the key server shows no results
[22:10] <OerHeks> it does exist https://launchpad.net/~kivy-team/+archive/ubuntu/kivy
[22:10] <TheNH813> Ok, why is Compiz eating half a gig of ram.
[22:10] <ranu> OerHeks: it does exists indeed...
[22:10] <ikonia> TheNH813: why do you think it's using half a gig of ram
[22:10] <TheNH813> Is that normal? Because I killed with from process monitor and let it restart and now I's bate using 70M.
[22:11] <TheNH813> I have about 7 programs open, mayve?
[22:11] <OerHeks> ranu, maybe try to change your mirror, to main?
[22:11] <jelly> TheNH813, next time try to confirm that number with "smem"
[22:11] <ranu> OerHeks: in source.lists?
[22:11] <jelly> maybe it just had some gpu memory mapped
[22:11] <Folatt> bekks: I connected the server computer to a monitor and keyboard now
[22:11] <Folatt> I have internet here
[22:12] <Folatt> But not on the main computer
[22:12] <OerHeks> ranu, use the sources gui, type source in dash and it pops up
[22:12] <ranu> I'm using Kubuntu OerHeks, it doesn't exists here, might be in another program?
[22:12] <TheNH813> Hm.... It's already back to 137M. That seems reasonable I guess.
[22:13] <TheNH813> Smem says : 4036 administrator compiz                             0   137224   140869   167
[22:13] <TheNH813> *167020
[22:14] <bekks> Folatt: So run "ifconfig -a" on your main computer, and provide the output, along with "dmesg" - and yes, transfer the output using some USB device or something.
[22:14] <ranu> I use DIscover to configure sources here OerHeks.
[22:14] <OerHeks> ranu, Muon got that feature
[22:15] <OerHeks> oke
[22:16] <ranu> OerHeks: just a sec, updating a pic
[22:16] <ranu> OerHeks: http://imgur.com/a/iVOjS
[22:17] <ranu> Take a look at that
[22:17] <OerHeks> ranu, that would be standard, no problems i can see.
[22:17] <TheNH813> ranu: What is that theme and desktop? Are you using Kubuntu?
[22:18] <urnick> i know this might be inapprotiate but i am making a media consumption app for android. I need someone that can mentor me through this process. I am willing to share in profit if necessary but I am also ready to grow as a person, and in my ability to contribute to the technology landscapre.
[22:18] <ranu> TheNH813: Kubuntu
[22:18] <ikonia> totally offtopic and not for this channel underpantz
[22:18] <urnick> is there someone i can pm and jsut touch base with from time to time
[22:18] <ikonia> urnick:
[22:18] <ikonia> no
[22:18] <ranu> OerHeks: very weird then ?-(
[22:18] <ikonia> that is not what this channel is for urnick
[22:18] <TheNH813> Wow, Kubuntu's really changed since I last tested it.
[22:18] <urnick> ikonia, what channel is good for that
[22:18] <ranu> TheNH813: plasma 5
[22:18] <ikonia> urnick: none
[22:18] <OerHeks> ranu yes, no keyservers should result in no updates too..
[22:19] <urnick> wtf, well thats a lot of help
[22:19] <urnick> can i message you
[22:19] <ranu> OerHeks: it looks like kivy ppa is already added, I will try to install it
[22:19] <ikonia> urnick: no
[22:20] <TheNH813> urnick: I'd ask on http://www.xda-developers.com/.
[22:20] <TheNH813> They migh have pointers. But yeah that's off topic to ask on here. Good luck with what you're doing.
[22:20] <urnick> k, thx TheNH813
[22:20] <ranu> Althought in update it says that the signatures of the kivy's ppa could not be verified due to the missing public keys.
[22:25] <OerHeks> ranu, run again: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys A863D2D6
[22:25] <OerHeks> and close muon and such!
[22:27] <GEEMac_> Hi folks.  I just did a fresh install of 16.04 LTS 64bit.  I'm having an issue with keeping my 1920x1080 resolution after reboot or cold start.   I keep having to use xrandr -s 1920x1080 in termanal.  My 14.04 was fine.  I had to go to the nvidia 304.x due to the nouveau was tearing up the screen.
[22:29] <Folatt>  bekks http://pastebin.com/e1p2iXBH
[22:29] <GEEMac_> I have been through google for the past hour or so and just keep comming up with old information dating back to v11.x.  I can't seem to find anything for 16.04 LTS
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> .3
[22:30] <MonkeyDust> that was Elbow language
[22:31] <bekks> Folatt: As you can see, you have no IP address. Are you using wired or wireless on your server?
[22:33] <ranu> OerHeks: trying right now
[22:34] <GEEMac_> Can anyone help with this screen resolution issue?  Thanks
[22:35] <ranu> What kind of hardware are you using?
[22:35] <ranu> GEEMac_: ^
[22:35] <thetrav> so I've enabled serial console in grub following: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-serial-console-howto/ however the console doesn't show anything until I have a login prompt.  Work fine from there, but what I really want is to see the boot log to work out why it's not starting up.  Anyone know how I configure that?
[22:36] <ikonia> journalctl -ex will show what's not starting up
[22:36] <ikonia> no need for messing with the console
[22:37] <GEEMac_> Old 7050 series onboard video via HDMI.  14.04 worked perfect.
[22:37] <thetrav> ikonia I don't think you understand... The system does not successfully boot
[22:37] <ikonia> that guide isn't valid for 16.04 either thanks to systemd
[22:38] <ikonia> thetrav: remove the splash screen and watch the boot process
[22:38] <ikonia> and if you are getting a login prompt - the system is booting
[22:38] <thetrav> or rather.  I got a successful boot, run a big long script provided by developers, and then the system has no network or console activity
[22:38] <thetrav> so the login prompt is something I set up before running the script that breaks everything
[22:38] <thetrav> I'm trying to work out what the script breaks by looking at the output
[22:38] <ikonia> thetrav: probided by the developers ??? what
[22:39] <ikonia> what are you talking about, ??
[22:39] <thetrav> ok, instead of that
[22:39] <thetrav> think "I run some installer"
[22:39] <ikonia> you need to give honest/clear details
[22:39] <thetrav> I'm trying ikonia
[22:39] <ikonia> this has gone from a system not booting - but it got a login prompt to "I run a script provided by develoeprs that breaks it"
[22:40] <thetrav> the installer is a big thing that does a lot of stuff.  I am not capable of listing all the stuff
[22:40] <ikonia> thetrav: what are you trying to install
[22:40] <thetrav> tons of things
[22:40] <ikonia> what ??
[22:40] <ikonia> are these things ubuntu packages ?
[22:40] <thetrav> some of them are, yes
[22:40] <ikonia> or external resources ?
[22:40] <thetrav> both
[22:40] <ikonia> this seems very confusing
[22:40] <thetrav> well just chill a bit
[22:40] <ikonia> just open the package manager and install what you want
[22:41] <ikonia> I am cillede
[22:41] <ikonia> chilled
[22:41] <thetrav> end state
[22:41] <thetrav> system won't boot
[22:41] <ikonia> system will boot
[22:41] <ikonia> you broke it with some odd script
[22:41] <thetrav> yes
[22:41] <ikonia> but can't tell us what it does
[22:41] <thetrav> correct
[22:41] <ikonia> so read the script and work through it line by line
[22:41] <thetrav> so
[22:41] <thetrav> lol
[22:41] <ikonia> why is that funny
[22:41] <thetrav> because
[22:41] <thetrav> there are two ways to diagnose right
[22:41] <GEEMac_> ranu I'm running an older system that was fine from 11.x up to 14.04 LTS  have they removed support for the older Nvidia chipsets such as the 7000 series?
[22:41] <thetrav> one is like you say, to read the script line by line
[22:42] <thetrav> another
[22:42] <thetrav> usually faster
[22:42] <thetrav> is to look at the end state
[22:42] <ikonia> no it's not
[22:42] <thetrav> read error messages etc
[22:42] <ikonia> the script is your problem
[22:42] <ikonia> follow the script
[22:42] <thetrav> ikonia
[22:42] <ikonia> if you want to watch the system boot - just remove the grub splash
[22:42] <thetrav> if the system booted
[22:42] <ikonia> that simple
[22:42] <thetrav> yes
[22:42] <thetrav> that's what I want to do
[22:42] <thetrav> I want to watch the system boot
[22:42] <ikonia> no, you said you are trying to use a serial console by following an incorrect outdated guide
[22:42] <tgm4883> ok, just trying to interject a little here. thetrav didn't you say you were getting a login prompt?
[22:42] <ikonia> thats very different than booting without the boot splsash
[22:43] <thetrav> ikonia, slow down
[22:43] <thetrav> outdated incorrect guide?
[22:43] <ikonia> thetrav: "yes"
[22:43] <thetrav> please point me to a better one
[22:43] <thetrav> I'm doing the best I can here
[22:43] <ikonia> no
[22:43] <thetrav> that guide definitely worked enough to enable a serial connection
[22:43] <thetrav> so what's this splash screen you're talking about
[22:43] <ikonia> follow the script
[22:43] <ikonia> work it through
[22:44] <thetrav> are you assuming I have a graphics card on that machine?
[22:44] <thetrav> or any sort of graphics access?
[22:44] <ikonia> and stop using the script
[22:44] <thetrav> tgm4883 yes
[22:44] <ikonia> if you use a script provided by "developers" - stop using it and pass it back to them
[22:44] <thetrav> I do get a login prompt before I run the script
[22:44] <thetrav> ikonia, that's a jerk thing to do if I don't first try and gather information for them
[22:44] <tgm4883> thetrav: ok, so how do you see this login prompt?
[22:44] <ikonia> thetrav: no it's not
[22:45] <thetrav> I'd much rather tell them "here's what the system says went wrong"
[22:45] <ikonia> thetrav: as you seem incapable of doing it - so let them fix it
[22:45] <GEEMac_> ranu: Still with me there?
[22:45] <ranu> OerHeks: same error as before
[22:45] <thetrav> tgm4883: so, I start with a fresh install of ubuntu
[22:45] <thetrav> I follow the guide I linked earlier to enable serial output in grub
[22:45] <ranu> GEEMac_: was doing some food, just a sec
[22:45] <thetrav> with that, I reboot the system and I get a login prompt
[22:45] <GEEMac_> Sorry...  NP
[22:46] <ranu> I'm using an optimus card over here
[22:46] <thetrav> I don't see the boot messages, I see nothing until the prompt appears
[22:46] <thetrav> if we ignore all the noise around the script, that's my question right there
[22:46] <tgm4883> thetrav: ok, for a second lets pretend this is a fresh install. You boot it and get a login prompt. What are you seeing this login prompt on? Via SSH? Do you have a monitor attached?
[22:46] <ranu> But I don't have a window with your resolution to cornfirm your issue
[22:46] <thetrav> I'd like to see the boot up log
[22:46] <thetrav> I have no monitor attached
[22:46] <ranu> What is your problem again GEEMac_?
[22:46] <thetrav> I have serial access to the host, but no physical access
[22:47] <thetrav> I have network access as well, but I am pretty sure I can't see the boot messages on that because network isn't loaded until later
[22:47] <ikonia> yet you can login and do journalctl -ex
[22:47] <ikonia> and it will show you whats not loaded
[22:48] <thetrav> my question is just whether there is a way for me to watch the boot up happen over the serial connection
[22:48] <thetrav> I have worked with hosts before where I did have a monitor attached and I could see the boot up messages
[22:48] <ikonia> thetrav: this is ubuntu 16.04 ?
[22:48] <GEEMac_> ranu: Apparently it is an issue with 16.04 since I originally did an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 and all went south from there with the screen res.  So I backed up all my files and reinstalled fresh from the CD for 16.04 and still have the issue.  It is a total pain in the backside having to call the term and put the xrandr statment in there to fix the res..
[22:48] <thetrav> no it's 14.04
[22:49] <ikonia> ok, so it's upstart dependant
[22:49] <ikonia> as you'll see that guide is for much old systems that still depend on inittab
[22:49] <thetrav> so, the parts that work with grub
[22:49] <ikonia> I'm going to guess that is also a vm ?
[22:50] <thetrav> aren't they telling the kernel to output onto the serial?
[22:50] <ikonia> rather than a phsical host
[22:50] <ikonia> physical
[22:50] <thetrav> sure, it's a vm
[22:50] <GEEMac_> ranu:  I am using the PC through HDMI to a 46inch TV. 1920x1080 is waht it is supposed to come up as but keeps going to 1024x768 after bootup.
[22:50] <ikonia> so then the hypervisor will also have a say in what gets put where
[22:50] <tgm4883> thetrav: what hypervisor
[22:50] <thetrav> kvm
[22:50] <ikonia> how it boots will also depend on the hypervisor
[22:51] <GEEMac_> I set the Nivida settings for this and saved it to Xorg for what it is worth since it is not used anymore.
[22:52] <thetrav> so what you're saying, and please correct me because I think I'm not getting it right... Is that the line in grub that passes console=tty0 console=ttyS1,19200n8 to the kernel does nothing until upstart invokes some service
[22:52] <ikonia> it will depend
[22:53] <thetrav> ok, so what does it depend on?  what are the things I should know and check
[22:53] <ikonia> it's down to your setup really
[22:53] <thetrav> ikonia, that sounds like a repetition of "it will depend"
[22:53] <ikonia> no, it's not
[22:53] <GEEMac_> It is a total PITA to have to call the terminal and type xrandr -s 1920x1080 after every restart of the computer
[22:54] <thetrav> ok, but what are the features of my setup I should be considering?
[22:54] <ikonia> how the boot is invoked
[22:54] <thetrav> when you say "the boot"
[22:54] <thetrav> you mean, how kvm powers up the vm?
[22:54] <ikonia> of the guest
[22:54] <thetrav> how grub gets started?
[22:54] <thetrav> or like, boot loader etc
[22:55] <thetrav> like, is it pxe booting or is it booting from a hdd etc?
[22:55] <ikonia> how KBM triggers the loading of the boot process
[22:55] <ikonia> and what applications your tty application will depend on
[22:55] <ikonia> keep in mind - the kernel knows nothing about a device at the time you're setting that parameter
[22:55] <GEEMac_> If anyone has some input on this along with Ranu please PM me since there are other issues going on here.
[22:56] <tgm4883> GEEMac_: xorg.conf is used, are you sure it's saved to the right location
[22:56] <bipul> Hello, I am not able to see Default user, group, other and mask entries on directory. When i am using getfacl /home/bipul
[22:56] <ikonia> bipul: what are you seeing
[22:57] <bipul> I am using ACL version (2.2.52-3).
[22:57] <ikonia> bipul: pastebin the command and the output please
[22:57] <bipul> ikonia, sure
[22:57] <GEEMac_> igm4883:  not sure?  Shouldn't the nivida changes save to the right place? they did in 14.04
[22:58] <tgm4883> GEEMac_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf I believ
[22:58] <ikonia> bipul: is this debian or ubuntu you are using
[22:59] <bipul> ikonia, Right now Ubuntu
[22:59] <bipul> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23074309/
[22:59] <GEEMac_> tgm4883:  let me tak a look again.  By what I have been reading the xorg is not being used since 13.x  Hang on let me pull it and pastebin it
[23:00] <ikonia> bipul: that looks fine
[23:00] <bipul> The first one is a file details and second one is directory details, which is supposed to come default
[23:00] <bipul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[23:00] <bipul> default:user::rwx
[23:00] <bipul>  default:group::r-x
[23:00] <bipul>  default:group:green:rwx
[23:00] <bipul>  default:mask::rwx
[23:00] <bipul>  default:other::r-x
[23:00] <Gallo2> use pastebin dude
[23:01] <tgm4883> GEEMac_: not shipping one by default is not the same as not using one
[23:01] <bipul> Thank you.
[23:02] <Gallo2> hi. i seem to be having real trouble with an install. i've never had linux on this particular machine so i don't know if its my screwup or i need to tweak some options. i installed with crypto and LVM also, to make it more complicated
[23:02] <ikonia> bipul: that pastebin looks sane, no problem there
[23:02] <sameer> shy
[23:03] <bipul> But when we look for directory, we are supposed to see default:user::rwx ....
[23:03] <sameer> heelo guys
[23:03] <ikonia> bipul: you do...
[23:03] <ikonia> line 18
[23:03] <bipul> Don't we? As per documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[23:04] <sameer> i need some help bro
[23:04] <GEEMac_> tgm4883, Here is the pastebin of the xorg.conf    http://pastebin.com/aeJGP76d
[23:04] <ikonia> bipul: looks fine to me to be honest
[23:04] <bipul> That is a normal or name user entry
[23:04] <ikonia> bipul: yes, and it looks fine
[23:04] <GEEMac_> tgm4883, that was the last save.
[23:05] <bipul> yes it looks fine but it is missing default user name entry.
[23:05] <ikonia> bipul: did you set the defaults ?
[23:05] <sameer> heeeeeeeeeloooooooooooooooooo
[23:05] <bipul> ikonia, No.
[23:05] <ikonia> sameer: thats not going to get you help
[23:05] <GEEMac_> tgm4883, I had to switch to the vga input on the TV so I can see what was going on.
[23:05] <ikonia> bipul: then how do you expect to see defaults
[23:05] <sameer> ok then listen to me b
[23:05] <ikonia> bipul: read the text above the example
[23:05] <ikonia> bipul: "this ACL also has defaults set"
[23:05] <GEEMac_> tgm4883, I'm on the HDMI input now.
[23:05] <ikonia> bipul: meaning, someone has set the defaults
[23:05] <bipul> oh, i thought for directory by default it appears default entery too
[23:06] <ikonia> bipul: look at the two examples, they are the same command
[23:06] <bipul> oh thank you.
[23:06] <ikonia> it's showing you different ACLS on the same directory
[23:06] <grubles> hello i am having trouble with fglrx: http://pastebin.com/K3smeDpR
[23:10] <Bashing-om> grubles: Release 16.04 ? No support for FGLRX any longer .
[23:10] <grubles> Bashing-om, 14.04.5
[23:11] <Bashing-om> grubles: K. Now re you attempting to install the ATI graphic's driver ?
[23:11] <grubles> yes. fglrx.
[23:11] <Bashing-om> How are **
[23:11] <grubles> oh.
[23:11] <grubles> neither the package (apt install fglrx) nor the .run from amd's site works.
[23:13] <bekks> grubles: Due to "no support".
[23:13] <Bashing-om> grubles: What card(s) are we working with - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - in a pastebin please . Make sure the hardware has support .
[23:14] <grubles> it's a radeon 7970
[23:14] <grubles> i've had fglrx running on 14.04 previously
[23:16] <GEEMac_> tgm4883,  still with me here?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> grubles: Yeah should work . Clean things up and try again to install from our repo ? what returns ' ls -al /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh  ' ?
[23:18] <TheTank111> I just tried to upgrade from 14.04->16.04 and than tried to install the desktop environment, but I get the error apt-get : relocation error  blah blah string stream not defined in libstdc++.so.6. I googled and found results but their answer involved using papa-remove which I don't have. I tried to get the new lib with curl but I keep getting unknown host for everything even sites like google lol :
[23:18] <TheTank111> / can anyone help me?
[23:19] <ikonia> sounds like the upgrade failed
[23:19] <ikonia> you're missing / conflicting some C libraries
[23:20] <grubles> Bashing-om, sure i'll give that a shot
[23:20] <grubles> Bashing-om, erm. i mean that script exists.
[23:21] <grubles> and i'll try it.
[23:21] <TheTank111> Ya, do you think I should just download them to a USB and than try and move them over?
[23:22] <Bashing-om> grubles: ' sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh ' then we make sure all vestigrs are gone prior to re-installing .
[23:22] <rypervenche> Gotta love PPAs.
[23:22] <ikonia> TheTank111: no
[23:22] <Netwolf> hey guys, I am seeing a stupid amount of traffic to telnet ports. Anyone else seeing this?
[23:22] <Netwolf> Aug 20 19:17:38 med kernel: [88076.784808] [UFW BLOCK] IN=ens3 OUT= MAC=fa:16:3e:dc:71:b7:fa:16:3e:7e:b7:a9:08:00 SRC=222.254.61.12 DST=172.20.7.107 LEN=44 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x20│
[23:22] <Netwolf>  TTL=45 ID=51999 PROTO=TCP SPT=34094 DPT=23 WINDOW=35058 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[23:22] <Netwolf> apologies for the paste
[23:22] <ikonia> TheTank111: I think you should look at the logs from the upgrade,
[23:22] <Bashing-om> vestiges *
[23:22] <ikonia> TheTank111: understand what the current state is
[23:22] <ikonia> TheTank111: a.) how did you upgrade b.) did the upgrade show any problems at the time
[23:23] <GEEMac_> tgm4883, brb  going to try something with lightdm.conf
[23:23] <TheTank111> How do I check those logs?
[23:25] <TheTank111> I used apt-get dist upgrade btw
[23:25] <ikonia> that won't upgrade you from 14 to 16
[23:26] <ikonia> so either you did something else or you are still running 14.04
[23:26] <Bashing-om> grubles: Stepping away from the keyboard for a short time . be back soonest .
[23:26] <grubles> Bashing-om, thx for the help
[23:28] <TheTank111> Last I checked it said 15. I was under the assumption that it would upgrade me from 14 to 16 lol.. I thought I just had to do it twice
[23:28] <ikonia> dist upgrade will not upgrade you between distros
[23:29] <TheTank111> Lol that's weird, I guess they mean something different by dist upgrade. I've never upgraded btw if you can't tell :|
[23:30] <ikonia> did you read any documentation about how to upgrade ?
[23:30] <Gallo2> can someone suggest to me what to look at if the system continuously reboots with no error message being output? it never even loads grub. i don't even know if grub is installed correctly, but i've tried it twice now and no joy.
[23:30] <TheTank111> No I figured it would be just as easy as typing a command.
[23:31] <ikonia> TheTank111: so you typed a command blindly without knowing what it did, and just assumed it upgrade you
[23:31] <lordcirth> Gallo2, try holding shift during boot to force grub menu to appear.  If that doesn't work, try Boot-Repair
[23:31] <Gallo2> lordcirth: thanks for the suggestion. please note, can't repair something that never worked in the first place
[23:32] <TheTank111> Yes kind of like how on Mac if I want to upgrade the OS I just click a button
[23:32] <Gallo2> no. kind of not like on mac.
[23:32] <lordcirth> Gallo2, it is not unheard of for Boot-Repair to fix problems from a fresh install
[23:32] <ikonia> TheTank111: so typing a command blindly, is very different than hitting the button that says "upgrade" on a mac
[23:32] <ikonia> TheTank111: did you change the sources.list at all
[23:32] <TheTank111> I am realizing that now :|
[23:33] <Kurowa> hi
[23:33] <TheTank111> I looked at the modified date and it says today, so somehow I did
[23:34] <ikonia> TheTank111: so you're system is a mess then and to be blunt  you don't know what you are doing
[23:34] <TheTank111> Ya I might just do a fresh install
[23:34] <ikonia> I suggest you back up your data you want to keep and install 16.04 with a desktop (desktop install) from the starting point
[23:34] <ikonia> so just install the ubuntu desktop media/dvd
[23:35] <ikonia> and I strongly suggest you read/ask before just doing things
[23:36] <Gallo2> right on
[23:37] -aan:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:37] <reisio> mmmkay
[23:38] -kovailanen:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:38] -neksi:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:40] -Don[Relax]:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:40] -Guest67256:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:40] -salak_selatan:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE!
[23:41] <ikonia> hang on folks, the idiots will stop soon enough,
[23:41] <OerHeks> roommode on registered is ugly.
[23:42] -Blue`Eyes`Blue:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS WE'RE FUCKING ikonia'S OWN MOTHER.
[23:42] -mei_cen:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS WE'RE FUCKING ikonia'S OWN MOTHER.
[23:42] -mei_cen:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS WE'RE FUCKING ikonia'S OWN MOTHER.
[23:42] <ikonia> children, just be patient,
[23:43] <Gallo2> hm. i wonder how to tell if this system has uefi
[23:43] -ak_co_17tHN_cR_t:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS ikonia go to #wrongplanet and talk to us.
[23:43] -ak_co_17tHN_cR_t:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS ikonia go to #wrongplanet and talk to us.
[23:43] <Renon> why?
[23:43] <Kurowa> I don't know if this is off topic or not, so in order to anticipate my future needs, I created an utility USB multiboot for tools such as GParted, a copy of distro, and clonezilla. Any recommendation for what to put?
[23:43] <Gallo2> i don't... think it does
[23:43] <reisio> Gallo2: shouldn't actually matter
[23:43] -dbrutu`:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS ikonia go to #wrongplanet and talk to us.
[23:43] <reisio> but if the boot config has a mouse cursor, it's probably U/EFI
[23:43] <reisio> Kurowa: what else?
[23:43] <Gallo2> a mouse cursor..... nope
[23:43] -FaizKL-BoSan-CaR:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! #WRONGPLANET SAYS THAT WITH #UBUNTU YOU LOSE! PLUS ikonia go to #wrongplanet and talk to us.
[23:44] <Gallo2> shouldn't matter. good to know
[23:44] -DOBERMAN-:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET
[23:44] -DOBERMAN-:#ubuntu- #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET #WRONGPLANET
[23:44] <ikonia> these guys are weak,
[23:44] <Kurowa> just one tails and boot repair disk.
[23:44] <ikonia> soon be done
[23:44] <Kurowa> reisio.
[23:44] <reisio> Kurowa: are you asking what else people might recommend?
[23:44] <Kurowa> yep.
[23:44] <reisio> I haven't actually ever needed more than just systemrescuecd
[23:45] <reisio> but just the ubuntu install image will also suffice, much of the time
[23:45] <reisio> even as a rescue environment
[23:45] <reisio> even as a temporary environment
[23:45] <edrocks_> is it recommend to use ufw or iptables directly?
[23:45] <Kurowa> I am kinda new to ubuntu and want to be prepared to troubleshoot my pc in the eventuality that I messed up.
[23:45] <reisio> less is more, but only if it doesn't murder your free time
[23:45] <reisio> Kurowa: install media's enough for that
[23:46] <reisio> you can have the boot loader boot it even, if you don't break your boot loader
[23:46] <Kurowa> bootloader is like grub or grub2 in example, is it?
[23:47] <reisio> Kurowa: yup
[23:47] <Megalex> Has anyone tried setting up openVPN under a bridge configuration under ubuntu 16? I'm having several issues
[23:48] <Kurowa> hmmm... I put my ubuntu ISO in windows T.T
[23:48] <Kurowa> time to download it again.
[23:49] <GEEMac> tgm4883, well that did not go well.  Had to boot to  term and nano the lightdm.conf file to remove the xrandr line.
[23:49] <vruz> hello all. I need help installing libmysqlclient18 on Ubuntu Xenial 16.04
[23:50] <reisio> Kurowa: hrmm?
[23:50] <Kurowa> vruz: the problem is?
[23:51] <GEEMac> tgm4883, still with me with this resolution issue?
[23:51] <vruz> Kurowa: I need to install libmysqlclient18, which is a dependency needed by the Lazarus development environment. Xenial by default installs libmysqlclient20
[23:52] <vruz> Kurowa: libmysqlclient20 provides the wire protocol 5.7 used to communicate with mysql servers 5.7 and upwards
[23:53] <reisio> check if there's a newer lazarus version
[23:53] <vruz> Kurowa: in normal circumstances, that should be resolved installing mysql-client-5.6 and mysql-server-5.7
[23:53] <vruz> reisio: this is the latest Lazarus release
[23:53] <Kurowa> vruz: no way to download from packages.ubuntu.com?
[23:53] <vruz> Kurowa: the thing is, when you install mysql-server-5.6 you still get libmysqlclient20, with protocol 5.7
[23:54] <GEEMac> repost of issue: Hi folks.  I just did a fresh install of 16.04 LTS 64bit.  I'm having an issue with keeping my 1920x1080 resolution after reboot or cold start.   I keep having to use xrandr -s 1920x1080 in termanal.  My 14.04 was fine.  I had to go to the nvidia 304.x due to the nouveau was tearing up the screen.
[23:54] <vruz> Kurowa: I just found that libmysqlclient18 is *somewhere* in Ubuntu, at this url: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/libmysqlclient18/5.6.25-0ubuntu1
[23:54] <vruz> Kurowa: which presumably would provide a libmysqlclient18 capable of providing network protocol 5.6
[23:55] <Guest17033> .
[23:55] <reisio> GEEMac: so you're using nvidia's drivers?
[23:55] <vruz> kurowa: but it's marked as superseded, and I have no idea how to get this package installed, as it doesn't appear to be available with a simple apt-cache search
[23:55] <gallo2> blah
[23:55] <gallo2> enough of your hoops nickserv!
[23:56] <GEEMac> reisio, Yes the 304.x tested.
[23:56] <reisio> GEEMac: have you run nvidia-xconfig?
[23:56] <GEEMac> Can't use nouveau
[23:56]  * reisio waits for his question to be answered
[23:57] <Kurowa> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/amd64/libmysqlclient18/download
[23:57] <GEEMac> reisio, yes that was the first thing I did. here is a pastebin of the xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/aeJGP76d
[23:58] <vruz> Kurowa, thanks, I'll see to install that manually then. Any idea why this manual method has been enforced instead of using the recommended method?
[23:59] <reisio> GEEMac: okay, have you run nvidia-settings from within X?