[16:15] <OvenWerks> zequence: with regard to wine... it is too late for 16.10, but we could try adding it to 17.04 as soon as the ISOs start building to see if the ISOs will build with dual arch libs. It may be a ISO build setting is required. I do not know how large the libs are though.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> zequence: The other issue with installing wine, even on 32 bit systems, is that it does replace some of the video driver software as well. This may take a system that just works and give a system that just won't work.
[16:17]  * OvenWerks found out about this installing wine on his son's computer
[16:19] <OvenWerks> zequence: my other concern is that people will use wine as a first solution rather than looking at native software first and then complain if it doesn't work.
[17:08] <OvenWerks> zequence: it seems that the ppa version of Ardour5.0 is missing some file. It crashes on startup. When I tried it strait up (with a config directory already created) it crashed with core dump. So I got rid of the config directory and tried again. I get http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/US-Ardour5-fail.png
[17:09] <OvenWerks> zequence: it seems that there is a whole other data package missing too.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> This is testing on 16.04
[17:11]  * OvenWerks is downgrading to the original.
[17:17] <OvenWerks> zequence: could be that synaptic does not install snaps
[17:17] <OvenWerks> retrying with SW update.
[17:26] <OvenWerks> zequence: it seems that the updater installs the data package as a snap (maybe the binary too) using apt tools does not install correctly.
[17:27] <OvenWerks> Ardour5.0 works for me on 16.04 if installed using the GUI tools
[17:27] <OvenWerks> this could be a problem with using snap type packages
[17:28] <OvenWerks>  There are a lot of "old hands" that just out of habbit use apt-get for everything.
[18:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: Check if the file is there, in /usr/share/ardour5/icons/zoom_in_cursor.png
[18:27] <zequence> Also, there should be no snaps involved. 
[18:27] <zequence> In fact, remove all ardour packages first, then install from the PPA.
[18:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: You're right. ardour-data is missing. Which is weird, cause it is built from the same source package
[18:30]  * zequence scratches head
[18:32] <zequence> ardour-data basically includes all files in /usr/share/ardour
[18:32] <zequence> Or, /usr/share/ardour5, rather
[18:38] <zequence> Building locally works fine, but for some reason the -data package is not built in the PPA
[18:39] <DalekSec> Link?
[18:39] <zequence> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/dev-testing
[18:40] <zequence> I rebuilt the source, this time without basing on the previous version (but don't think it makes any difference). And, dputted it
[18:41] <zequence> No, wait
[18:41] <zequence> DalekSec: It is there. I'm just being rusty
[18:41] <zequence> OvenWerks: Not sure how you managed to not install ardour-data, but try again. It is the PPA
[18:42] <OvenWerks> zequence: when I use the GUI "Software Updaer" it works.
[18:42] <DalekSec> Yeah I was about to look in the archive itself as it looked there.
[18:43] <zequence> OvenWerks: How did you install the first time?
[18:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: I started it, created a new session and checked that I could run audio through.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: I added the PPA apt-get updated and used synaptic to look for it and installed ardour-i686.. which depends on ardour. I think what I needed to do was upgrade. I am looking now and I am probably seeing "Installed version" was 4.7 and going "I don't want that"
[18:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: So maybe my mistake. I did, however, see the word snap somewhere. (in the sofware updater I think)
[18:49] <zequence> Strange
[18:49] <OvenWerks> zequence: so if I had do atp-get update; atp-get upgrade or dist-upgrade it should have worked.
[18:49] <zequence> So many package managers now..
[18:49] <zequence> Yes, that should have done it
[18:49] <zequence> (if ardour was already installed)
[18:51] <OvenWerks> zequence: I wonder if ardour-i686 depends on ardour5.0 or just ardour
[18:52] <zequence> There's no package named ardour5. ardouri686 is a transitional package only
[18:53] <zequence> So, ardour-i686 will install ardour (the 32bit one)
[18:53] <OvenWerks> ardour-i686 shouold depend on the 5.0 version of ardour.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> zequence: it just depends on ardour
[18:53] <zequence> There's only one version at the time now
[18:54] <zequence> The package for ardour5 is named ardour
[18:55] <zequence> It was decided that there would only be one ardour since only the latest version is being maintained upstream.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: Yes, but depends can be version specific. ardour-i686 is not.
[18:57] <zequence> Well, it doesn't need to be, I guess
[18:57] <OvenWerks> That is fine if there is no ardour already in the machine, not if there is.
[18:58] <zequence> sakrecoer: I changed the ubuntustudio-dev team to "restricted", so those phony accounts can't ask to join anymore. Invites only.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> on the other hand if I had gone slower and read the description in synaptic ... it would have been better too.
[18:58] <zequence> OvenWerks: You're forgetting that you still need to upgrade.
[18:59] <zequence> ..if you already have ardour, that is
[18:59] <zequence> But, you mean installing ardour-i686 installed the new version of ardour, but not the new version of ardour-data?
[19:00] <OvenWerks> yes, it is certainly my mix up in installing.
[19:23]  * DalekSec wonders what the deps look like.
[19:26] <OvenWerks> DalekSec: for what?
[19:26] <OvenWerks> (which package in particular)
[19:26] <DalekSec> ardour.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> for ardour-i686 it is just straight ardour with no version.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> for ardour it looks for ardour-data (again no version info.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> then all the libs
[19:30] <OvenWerks> DalekSec: ardour depends on libcwiid1 I am not sure wiimote stuff works anymore because bluetooth stuff blocks it now. That part has not been kept up and I have not been able to get it to work.