[02:36] <brushdem-> install gentoo
[02:36] <daftykins> ...
[02:36] <daftykins> sorry was that a response to someone asking "what would be really silly?"
[06:23] <ducasse> morning all
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:40] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i had to reinstall the trusty to xenial box update
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: totaly broken
[07:40] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not that uncommon, it seems...
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: new reinstall crashed on saving /home aswell so..
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> had to install fresh
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> lets hope this was lasts 5 new years :p
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how are things in norway?
[07:42] <ducasse> i'm soon going to upgrade to yakkety, i never stay that long on one version :)
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wich stage is yakketty in now?
[07:43] <ducasse> alpha 1, i think. i usually wait until the first beta or so.
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !yakkety
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> ah october
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[07:44] <ducasse> they're waiting for 4.8, i believe
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah ive read an article they wanna ditch 4.6
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> im curious how unity 8 will develope
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> and thrilled about OTA 13 on phone
[07:48] <ducasse> i'm not too concerned about that, although the convergence thing would be nice
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:50] <ducasse> i'd love a phone/tablet that could give me a full desktop when connected to a screen
[07:50] <ducasse> just wish that desktop wasn't unity ;)
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> that would be awesome
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i really wish ubuntu would choose the way, users left more choices
[07:51] <ducasse> how do you mean?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well you know like old linux setups, where you could choose kde or gnome etc
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> in the setup screen
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> imagine the tablet starts that way, leave the user the choice for window manager
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> or i3 :p
[07:53] <ducasse> the problem with that is that the tablets etc run mir, not x11
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:54] <ducasse> they _really_ should have gone with wayland, imho
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> but i saw a kde tablet project once
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> not sure if its still active
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> lemme lookup
[07:54] <ducasse> fedora 25 will run wayland, i read
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> https://plasma-mobile.org/
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> would be so nice if ubuntu could be installed on every device
[07:56] <ducasse> intresting. have you seen this? http://hawaiios.org/
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> screens look delicious
[07:58] <ducasse> it looks really nice, i don't know how ready it is.
[07:58] <ducasse> there will probably be many options soon.
[07:59] <ducasse> more promising news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> vivaldi kde tablet has been depraced..
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:02] <ducasse> have you tried vivaldi btw? been using it for a couple of days, i like it.
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive tested the other day
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> not bad, but prefer my chromium
[08:04] <ducasse> i'm still trying to decide, but i'll probably go back to firefox. stuck with it since the days of netscape navigator.
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/08/04/how-the-m10-tablet-can-save-you-luggage-space/
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah netscape was nice, but surely vurlernable as hell by now
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why they so proud about the Bq m10 tablet when stopped the bq phones to sell...
[08:06] <ducasse> hehe, i wouldn't be running that or mosaic today, no :)
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> thats really bad news for my business
[08:06] <ducasse> otoh, there was a lot less in netscape that could be exploited, no js etc.
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ZTE also announced users want android over linux on devices
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: also true, was more back to basic
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> but still you hear alot of exploits existing for the old style browsers like opera etc
[08:09] <brushdemon> simpler tools had simpler hacks
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> true
[08:10] <brushdemon> more sophisticated tools have similar hacks however there is a larger footprint and more potential for exploits
[08:10] <ducasse> if only flash would finally die...
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> and more users using an app, more chance of hackers finding mass exploits
[08:10] <brushdemon> well that would get rid of a few million issues :p
[08:11] <brushdemon> that's also true
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-blackarch-linux-iso-lands-with-over-1-500-penetration-testing-hacking-tools-507485.shtml
[08:14] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i wonder how big a market there really is for ubuntu phones. most people who would want one are probably enthusiasts and hobbyists.
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the only problem is the most wanted android apps everyone else uses
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> and users dont search for security
[08:15] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yep, it would need some big name apps to have a chance in the bigger market.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but i can convince users, by telling how vurlnerable android is
[08:16] <ducasse> there will be vulnerabilities for ubuntu phones as well.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> probably, but they will be handled much faster
[08:17] <ducasse> that's true, the android update system is horrible.
[08:17] <ducasse> well, it doesn't really exist at all.
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> users dont mind security, until one day they personal pics are gone or shared
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> when reality comes too close..
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> i helped few customers with stalkin/wifi issues in the past
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/zte-rejects-ubuntu-phone-proposal-says-buyers-dont-want-non-android-devices
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> bah
[08:27] <ducasse> well, i wouldn't want a china-made phone anyway :)
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> meizu is chinese
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> but if its broken and you have to send back to china : |
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> if one day ubuntu-touch will be installable on more devices itl get interesting
[08:31] <ducasse> the m10 looks really nice, though. making it possible to install ubuntu on more devices would be a good way to get more users.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:44] <ducasse> \o
[11:45] <ducasse> how are you today, BluesKaj?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse. I'm fine, and you?
[11:46] <ducasse> fine, thanks. raining heavily here, the cat and i are holed up indoors :)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , we had terrble thunderstorms last night, went to bed with flashlights because our electricity went out about 4 times, it's back on now, but we still have storm clouds
[23:47] <Dodge29_> hey
[23:50] <daftykins> \o