[02:36] install gentoo [02:36] ... [02:36] sorry was that a response to someone asking "what would be really silly?" === brushdem- is now known as brushemon === brushemon is now known as brushdemon [06:23] morning all [07:39] good morning to all [07:40] \o lotuspsychje [07:40] ducasse: i had to reinstall the trusty to xenial box update [07:40] ducasse: totaly broken [07:40] lotuspsychje: not that uncommon, it seems... [07:40] ducasse: new reinstall crashed on saving /home aswell so.. [07:41] had to install fresh [07:41] lets hope this was lasts 5 new years :p [07:42] ducasse: how are things in norway? [07:42] i'm soon going to upgrade to yakkety, i never stay that long on one version :) [07:43] ducasse: wich stage is yakketty in now? [07:43] alpha 1, i think. i usually wait until the first beta or so. [07:43] !yakkety [07:43] Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) will be the 25th release of Ubuntu. It is due to be released in October 2016. Discussion in #ubuntu+1 [07:44] ah october [07:44] !info linux-image-generic yakkety [07:44] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.9134.37 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB [07:44] they're waiting for 4.8, i believe [07:45] ducasse: yeah ive read an article they wanna ditch 4.6 [07:47] im curious how unity 8 will develope [07:47] and thrilled about OTA 13 on phone [07:48] i'm not too concerned about that, although the convergence thing would be nice [07:49] yeah [07:50] i'd love a phone/tablet that could give me a full desktop when connected to a screen [07:50] just wish that desktop wasn't unity ;) [07:50] that would be awesome [07:50] lol [07:51] ducasse: i really wish ubuntu would choose the way, users left more choices [07:51] how do you mean? [07:51] ducasse: well you know like old linux setups, where you could choose kde or gnome etc [07:52] in the setup screen [07:52] imagine the tablet starts that way, leave the user the choice for window manager [07:53] or i3 :p [07:53] the problem with that is that the tablets etc run mir, not x11 [07:53] yeah [07:54] they _really_ should have gone with wayland, imho [07:54] but i saw a kde tablet project once [07:54] not sure if its still active [07:54] lemme lookup [07:54] fedora 25 will run wayland, i read [07:55] https://plasma-mobile.org/ [07:56] would be so nice if ubuntu could be installed on every device [07:56] intresting. have you seen this? http://hawaiios.org/ [07:57] lets c [07:57] screens look delicious [07:58] it looks really nice, i don't know how ready it is. [07:58] there will probably be many options soon. [07:59] more promising news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html [07:59] vivaldi kde tablet has been depraced.. [07:59] cool [08:02] have you tried vivaldi btw? been using it for a couple of days, i like it. [08:02] yeah ive tested the other day [08:03] not bad, but prefer my chromium [08:04] i'm still trying to decide, but i'll probably go back to firefox. stuck with it since the days of netscape navigator. [08:04] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/08/04/how-the-m10-tablet-can-save-you-luggage-space/ [08:05] ducasse: yeah netscape was nice, but surely vurlernable as hell by now [08:05] i wonder why they so proud about the Bq m10 tablet when stopped the bq phones to sell... [08:06] hehe, i wouldn't be running that or mosaic today, no :) [08:06] thats really bad news for my business [08:06] otoh, there was a lot less in netscape that could be exploited, no js etc. [08:07] ZTE also announced users want android over linux on devices [08:07] ducasse: also true, was more back to basic [08:08] but still you hear alot of exploits existing for the old style browsers like opera etc [08:09] simpler tools had simpler hacks [08:09] true [08:10] more sophisticated tools have similar hacks however there is a larger footprint and more potential for exploits [08:10] if only flash would finally die... [08:10] and more users using an app, more chance of hackers finding mass exploits [08:10] well that would get rid of a few million issues :p [08:11] that's also true [08:13] http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-blackarch-linux-iso-lands-with-over-1-500-penetration-testing-hacking-tools-507485.shtml [08:14] lotuspsychje: i wonder how big a market there really is for ubuntu phones. most people who would want one are probably enthusiasts and hobbyists. [08:14] ducasse: the only problem is the most wanted android apps everyone else uses [08:15] and users dont search for security [08:15] lotuspsychje: yep, it would need some big name apps to have a chance in the bigger market. [08:16] ducasse: but i can convince users, by telling how vurlnerable android is [08:16] there will be vulnerabilities for ubuntu phones as well. [08:16] probably, but they will be handled much faster [08:17] that's true, the android update system is horrible. [08:17] well, it doesn't really exist at all. [08:17] users dont mind security, until one day they personal pics are gone or shared [08:18] when reality comes too close.. [08:18] i helped few customers with stalkin/wifi issues in the past [08:24] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/zte-rejects-ubuntu-phone-proposal-says-buyers-dont-want-non-android-devices [08:24] bah [08:27] well, i wouldn't want a china-made phone anyway :) [08:27] meizu is chinese [08:28] but if its broken and you have to send back to china : | [08:30] if one day ubuntu-touch will be installable on more devices itl get interesting [08:31] the m10 looks really nice, though. making it possible to install ubuntu on more devices would be a good way to get more users. [11:44] 'Morning folks [11:44] \o [11:45] how are you today, BluesKaj? [11:45] Hi ducasse. I'm fine, and you? [11:46] fine, thanks. raining heavily here, the cat and i are holed up indoors :) [12:05] yeah , we had terrble thunderstorms last night, went to bed with flashlights because our electricity went out about 4 times, it's back on now, but we still have storm clouds === pavlushka_ is now known as Guest8546 === Guest8546 is now known as pavlushka [23:47] hey [23:50] \o