[05:39] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:45] <dlPhreak> Morning Kilos 
[05:45] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak theblazehen 
[05:47] <dlPhreak> How are you Kilos ?
[05:47] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[05:50] <dlPhreak> Quite well thanks.
[09:00] <ra1v3n> Morning all
[09:00] <Kilos> hi ra1v3n 
[09:00] <ra1v3n> Hi Kilos how are you
[09:00] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[09:46] <Symmetria> mmm
[10:31] <ra1v3n> Im good
[10:31] <ra1v3n> sorry I was cleaning 
[10:31] <Kilos> np
[12:55] <Kilos> paddatrapper you here lad
[13:04] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I am
[13:05] <Kilos> did you also get 11 emails about ibid
[13:05] <Kilos> or do you see things on github thing
[13:05] <Kilos> seems the weed spent some time there
[13:33] <inetpro> uh oh?
[13:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[13:43] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yes I did. I've read them, but I haven't addressed them yet
[14:25] <Kilos> no prob paddatrapper 
[16:10] <Kilos> paddatrapper you ever get bored
[16:11] <Kilos> #kubuntu-devel could always use more testers and helpers
[16:14] <Kilos> oh sorry i forgot its study time
[16:15] <arts1> Kilos, testers?
[16:16] <Kilos> yes for kubuntu 16.04 and 16.10 i think
[16:16] <arts1> for the Kubuntu team?
[16:16] <Kilos> if i had uncapped i would test and reports bugs
[16:17] <Kilos> yip
[16:20] <arts1> cool!!!
[16:47] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[16:47] <Kilos> o/ pavlushka 
[16:49] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos 
[17:10] <Kilos> ohi thatgraemeguy 
[17:10] <Kilos> standby again?
[17:11] <Kilos> or gaming
[17:28]  * superfly could really do with a good night's sleep
[17:28] <Kilos> eish superfly 
[17:28] <superfly> Maaz: tell kulele88 yes, I am. I'll still be around on IRC, but I'll be 9 hours behind you
[17:28] <Maaz> superfly: I don't know who kulele88 is. Say 'kulele88 on freenode' and I'll take your word that kulele88 exists
[17:28] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly i just read the blog post, don't know how i can help but just say the word and we will do what we can" 18 hours, 32 minutes and 6 seconds ago
[17:29] <superfly> Maaz: tell kulelu88 yes, I am. I'll still be around on IRC, but I'll be 9 hours behind you
[17:29] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[17:33] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn are you in joburg yet? I will need a place to crash for a week in November/December
[17:33] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[17:36] <paddatrapper> theblazehen94: You around?
[17:43] <superfly> ohi paddatrapper
[17:45] <paddatrapper> hey superfly 
[17:58] <superfly> paddatrapper: you ok?
[18:03] <paddatrapper> superfly: Yeah, just snowed under with varsity work. Having been away for 2 weekends in a row has made it pile up...
[18:03] <superfly> I can imagine
[18:04] <paddatrapper> How's the moving going?
[18:07] <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: I finally looked at your thing \o/ (sorry it took so long)
[18:07] <tumbleweed> I was impressed how little work that took (but also haven't actually tried it)
[18:07] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: No worries :) I saw your comments, but will probably ony be able to deal with them next week
[18:08] <tumbleweed> cool. Please beat me up if I don't respond
[18:08] <paddatrapper> I mimicked the Google one. The only issue is that it only checks the DDG instant answers because they legally cannot provide an API to their other results
[18:08] <tumbleweed> fair enough
[18:08] <paddatrapper> means that for complex queries there are usually no results, which is sad
[18:10] <paddatrapper> superfly, tumbleweed: do either of you know how to fix an apt error apt-listchanges: APT_HOOK_INFO_FD environment variable is not corrently defined?
[18:10] <tumbleweed> never seen that
[18:11] <tumbleweed> how are you running apt? in a normal shell?
[18:11] <paddatrapper> normal shell - apt upgrade
[18:12] <tumbleweed> sounds like an apt-listchanges bug
[18:12] <tumbleweed> I see there's a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-listchanges/+bug/1614191
[18:13] <paddatrapper> APT_HOOK_INFO_FD=3 sudo apt upgrade doesn't help either
[18:13] <tumbleweed> I see this in the apt-listchanges changelog:
[18:14] <tumbleweed>    * Move the code responsible for reading apt pipeline to new ALCApt module,
[18:14] <tumbleweed>      refactor it, and add support for reading from file descriptor given in
[18:14] <tumbleweed>      $APT_HOOK_INFO_FD instead of stdin.  This requires InfoFD option to be
[18:14] <tumbleweed>      set in the apt configuration file.
[18:14] <SEptic> evening boys
[18:14] <paddatrapper> hey SEptic 
[18:14] <SEptic> hi paddatrapper
[18:15] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: Thanks, I'll have a look at the config then
[18:15] <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: xenial, I presume?
[18:16]  * tumbleweed tries to reproduce it
[18:17] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: Debian sid
[18:18] <tumbleweed> o_O
[18:18] <superfly> paddatrapper: it's going, mostly just doing things like sorting out financial stuff, trying to sort through stuff in the house (what goes with, what is sold, what is donated and what is thrown away)
[18:19] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: Updating the config fixed it. DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/bin/apt-listchanges::InfoFD "20";
[18:19] <paddatrapper> in 20listchanges config
[18:19] <paddatrapper> superfly: Lots of work... Eish
[18:19] <superfly> paddatrapper: indeed
[18:20] <superfly> paddatrapper: the mrs has been doing most of the house sorting, I've been doing most of the admin wrangling
[18:20] <superfly> but I've also been struggling to sleep
[18:21] <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: there is also this in the changelog
[18:21] <tumbleweed>   - The way apt-listchanges cooperates with apt was slightly changed; please
[18:21] <tumbleweed>     make sure to accept the new version of `/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges'
[18:21] <tumbleweed>     configuration file in case dpkg prompts about the file.
[18:21] <tumbleweed> err in NEWS
[18:21] <tumbleweed> did you do that?
[18:22] <tumbleweed> I jsut upgraded to apt-listchanges 3.3, it updated 20listchanges, and it continude to work perfectly
[18:26] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: yup. That's what I did. 
[18:26]  * paddatrapper should really look at change logs
[18:26] <tumbleweed> no, it should have done it itself
[18:26] <tumbleweed> you shouldn't have had to do anything
[18:27] <paddatrapper> It saved it as .dpkg-new instead of updating it
[18:27] <tumbleweed> hrm, did you configure dpkg to not update config files?
[18:29] <paddatrapper> Nope... Or at least I haven't changed it from the default 
[18:29]  * superfly hasn't actually updated his netbook in ages
[18:29] <tumbleweed> something has
[18:30] <tumbleweed> this should have happened:
[18:30] <tumbleweed> Setting up apt-listchanges (3.3) ...
[18:30] <tumbleweed> Installing new version of config file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges ...
[18:31] <paddatrapper> the first time it did throw that error mid apt upgrade
[18:31] <paddatrapper> I'll check my dpkg config
[18:32] <paddatrapper> Nothing in there disabling it
[18:44] <nlsthzn> o/ uncle Kilos and all
[18:44] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn how are you lad?
[18:44] <nlsthzn> fine thanks and yourself uncle Kilos ?
[18:45] <Kilos> im ok ty. flying to aus in 9 days
[18:46] <nlsthzn> \o/
[18:47] <nlsthzn> visit long time in the coming yes?
[18:48] <Kilos> yip 6 years
[18:48] <Kilos> but gonna make the most of every second
[18:48] <Kilos> hows the family nlsthzn 
[18:50] <nlsthzn> daughter back from SA, school starting soon.  Wife is fine, baby bear strong on his way to the terrible two's :p 
[18:50] <nlsthzn> wow, 6 years
[18:50] <nlsthzn> man time flies
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[19:00] <nlsthzn> well enjoy it uncle Kilos , spank a couple of wallabies while you are there
[19:01] <Kilos> lol ty lad, will do
[19:01] <Kilos> maybe eat some roo steaks as well
[19:11] <nlsthzn> if not why not
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:07] <kulelu88> Maaz: tell superfly Don't worry, I'll be around to catch you most days :D
[20:07] <Maaz> kulelu88: Righto, I'll tell superfly on freenode