[01:30] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: looks fine to me?
[02:39] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo, acheronuk: do we fix binary-without-manpage and if so, how?
[03:20]  * tsimonq2 throws https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-akonadi/+merge/303504 at acheronuk 
[04:00] <tsimonq2> so I'm fixing things
[04:00] <tsimonq2> pushed a fix to prison-kf5, should show up here soon
[04:01] <tsimonq2> I believe I just made akonadi-contacts normal again
[04:01] <tsimonq2> so that'll show up soon as well
[04:01] <tsimonq2> I also submitted a PR for akonadi because I'm rusty updating symbols
[04:11] <tsimonq2> gosh freaking darn it
[04:11] <tsimonq2> that was me... :(
[04:12] <tsimonq2> wth is it doing?
[04:12] <tsimonq2> I'll figure it out after I finish this
[04:26] <tsimonq2> so for prison it's due to symbols
[04:26] <tsimonq2> now unstable seems to be pulling a newer version
[04:26] <tsimonq2> so I'll grab that...
[04:30] <tsimonq2> well that's weird
[04:31] <tsimonq2> I think it might be best to just leave prison unstable?
[04:31] <tsimonq2> that's because the daily snapshot bumps the version, so we would have to update symbols every day,,,
[04:31] <tsimonq2> s/,,,/.../
[04:32] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo, acheronuk: prison is fine :) ^
[04:43] <tsimonq2> yofel: there's a Lintian error on every single package I've seen: source: debian-revision-should-not-be-zero
[04:49] <valorie> tsimonq2: file a bug with Debian on Lintian?
[04:54] <tsimonq2> valorie: can't that just be bumped in KCI? isn't that intentionally set like that?
[04:55] <tsimonq2> debian bug 832420
[04:55] <valorie> tsimonq2: I have no clue
[04:55] <valorie> I was sort of kidding
[04:56] <tsimonq2> lol
[07:13] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: fixing a merge means resolving the cause of the merge markers, not leaving them
[07:14] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ?
[07:15] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: on prison there has been a soname change, so needs something more extensive than wild-carding any soname. I don't think you ever wildcard like that anyway, as then you would miss soname changes etc
[07:16] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: +<<<<<<< HEAD etc
[07:16] <acheronuk> in https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/messagelib/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=4c8509f665aba222136ca27250d696fecbc3ba29
[07:17] <tsimonq2> uhhh did I really do that?
[07:17] <tsimonq2> I'm stupid... :P
[07:17] <tsimonq2> WOW was I not paying attention...
[07:18] <valorie> that's why we want reviews!
[07:18] <acheronuk> no, maybe just a bit too hasty due to enthusiasm sometimes...
[07:18] <tsimonq2> like I said, I was just not paying attention, sorry, wow...
[07:19] <tsimonq2> I just can't believe I did that...
[07:19]  * acheronuk has made a few **** ups
[07:19] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: are you going to fix that or should I?
[07:19] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: that's why we have git revert right? ;)
[07:20] <acheronuk> I don't mind, as long as it checked and is ok. 
[07:21] <tsimonq2> nice catch, thank you
[07:21] <acheronuk> ok. I need coffee now!
[07:21] <tsimonq2> ok. I need sleep now!
[07:21] <tsimonq2> :P
[07:21] <tsimonq2> XD
[07:22] <acheronuk> I'll be less grumpy after that.. 
[07:22] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: by the way, just so you know, I'm almost done packaging QtSpeech! \o/
[07:22] <tsimonq2> and I'm the only person doing it lol
[07:22] <acheronuk> great :)
[07:24] <acheronuk> I've been trying to gradually get KCI error/warnings down to a minimum, so that will be one less thong it can grumble on
[07:25] <acheronuk> besides it being a nice thing to have as well
[07:25] <tsimonq2> yeah I was sorting through a few of them
[07:25] <tsimonq2> you saw my thing about prison? don't touch it unless it's actually broken :P
[07:25] <tsimonq2> (because it's unstable)
[07:25] <acheronuk> you saw my comment on prison above?
[07:26] <tsimonq2> oh no sorry
[07:26] <acheronuk> [08:15] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: on prison there has been a soname change, so needs something more extensive than wild-carding any soname. I don't think you ever wildcard like that anyway, as then you would miss soname changes etc
[07:26] <tsimonq2> I see :)
[07:26] <tsimonq2> so what now?
[07:27] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: something like http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/frameworks/prison.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=d7962eb1ec3a8fb2e9b79fc5f106cd7a31577718 I guess
[07:28] <acheronuk> but I want to check if we can kill off the debianabimanager or not if we do that
[07:28] <tsimonq2> ok ok I promise this will be the last thing I do before bed :)
[07:28] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: so I want to check with Phil 1st
[09:05] <sitter> mhall119: it would be great if you could find someone in the relevant (DX?) team to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-qt5/+bug/1434516 as it breaks plasma5 integration
[10:10] <acheronuk> clivejo or yofel: need kirigami added to git and CI I think. new lookandfeelexplorer in plasma-sdk needs it for a start 
[10:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know how to copy it?
[10:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: I imagine I could work it out, but a run through would be helpful if you have a sec
[10:17] <clivejo> its in debian?
[10:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: debian or neon. same state
[10:21] <clivejo> grab the debian one
[10:21] <clivejo> git clone --mirror <url>
[10:22] <acheronuk> yes
[10:22] <clivejo> git remote rm origin
[10:22] <acheronuk> remove?
[10:22] <clivejo> git remote add origin git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kirigami 
[10:22] <clivejo> yes
[10:23] <acheronuk> Note: A branch outside the refs/remotes/ hierarchy was not removed;
[10:23] <acheronuk> to delete it, use:
[10:23] <acheronuk>   git branch -d master
[10:23] <clivejo> we dont want to delete it
[10:24] <acheronuk> new remote added
[10:24] <clivejo> then git push --mirror origin
[10:24] <acheronuk> done. gone to have a look
[10:24] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kirigam
[10:25] <clivejo> my insanity check involved removing the git folder
[10:25] <clivejo> and git clone kubuntu:kirigami 
[10:25] <acheronuk> umm. somehow an 'i' got missed on the end
[10:26] <clivejo> can rename it via web interface
[10:26] <clivejo> Change repository details
[10:27] <acheronuk> already did it by removing and pushing back
[10:27] <clivejo> ok so now you need to create new branchs
[10:27] <acheronuk> but noted you can rename like that
[10:28] <clivejo> create new branch kubuntu_unstable
[10:28] <clivejo> update the VCS fields to point to LP
[10:31] <acheronuk> git checkout kubuntu_unstable gives fatal: This operation must be run in a work tree
[10:31] <clivejo> git checkout -b 
[10:32] <acheronuk> same
[10:32] <clivejo> are you in the git folder?
[10:34] <acheronuk> yes
[10:34] <clivejo> remove it and clone it again
[10:35] <acheronuk> that gives me a kirigami.git folder
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  7 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 ./
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x 68 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 ../
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  2 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 branches/
[10:35] <acheronuk> -rw-rw-r--  1 neo neo  187 Aug 22 11:34 config
[10:35] <acheronuk> -rw-rw-r--  1 neo neo   73 Aug 22 11:34 description
[10:35] <acheronuk> -rw-rw-r--  1 neo neo   23 Aug 22 11:34 HEAD
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  2 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 hooks/
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  2 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 info/
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  4 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 objects/
[10:35] <acheronuk> -rw-rw-r--  1 neo neo   98 Aug 22 11:34 packed-refs
[10:35] <acheronuk> drwxrwxr-x  4 neo neo 4096 Aug 22 11:34 refs/
[10:36] <clivejo> did you push with --mirror?
[10:37] <acheronuk> ^^^ my fault, I missed a step having to sort out the rename
[10:38]  * acheronuk needs more caffienation
[10:39] <ahoneybun> are we shipping kirigam?
[10:39] <clivejo> just adding it to KCI
[10:39] <acheronuk> ok, now on kubuntu unstable
[10:39] <ahoneybun> cool
[10:39] <clivejo> ok, now change the VCS filds to point to LP
[10:40] <acheronuk> yep
[10:40] <clivejo> and give it an unreleased entry
[10:40] <clivejo> ubuntu style
[10:41] <acheronuk> comment? anything in particular?
[10:42] <clivejo> Initial Ubuntu release
[10:43] <acheronuk> that was pretty captain obvious, but had to check. lol
[10:44] <acheronuk> commit and push?
[10:44] <clivejo> yup
[10:45] <acheronuk> fatal: The current branch kubuntu_unstable has no upstream branch.
[10:46] <clivejo> git push origin kubuntu_unstable
[10:46] <acheronuk> umm yes. duh.
[10:47] <acheronuk> that would help!
[10:47] <clivejo> Vcs-Browser: https://github.com/plasma-phone-packaging/kirigami
[10:47] <clivejo> needs updating too
[10:49] <clivejo> Vcs-Browser: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kirigami
[10:49] <clivejo> Vcs-Git: git://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kirigami
[10:52] <acheronuk> ok. Simon will want to change that to http :P
[10:53] <clivejo> no he wants to change it to https
[10:54] <acheronuk> yep. just missed that off
[10:54] <acheronuk> anything else?
[10:55] <clivejo> did you fix the two lines?
[10:56] <acheronuk> yes
[10:56] <clivejo> :)
[10:56] <acheronuk> bit slow here as people keep trying to talk to me.
[10:56] <clivejo> no bother
[10:57]  * clivejo is freezing cold but sweating
[10:59] <acheronuk> go to the doctor
[11:02] <clivejo> that involves getting an appointment
[11:02] <clivejo> sweating is out is a good sign
[11:04] <acheronuk> until it isn't
[11:05] <clivejo> you sound like my mother :P
[11:05] <clivejo> antibiotics are like magic smarties 
[11:07] <soee> o/
[11:07] <clivejo> hi soee
[11:11] <acheronuk> clivejo: at last count I have 5 doctors and 1 nurse in fairly immediate family. so I think some attitude rubs off a bit
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: so you now set up a KCI job/config? when you have time that is
[11:14] <clivejo> yofel: will have to do that
[11:14] <clivejo> can you create a yakkety_archive branch
[11:15]  * clivejo isnt sure if it will make it into yakkety, but KCI will probably look for it
[11:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: branch added
[11:20] <santa_> good morning everyone
[11:20] <acheronuk> morning :)
[11:21] <santa_> valorie: thank you for taking the time to read the "wall of text"
[11:22] <santa_> acheronuk: so ... regarding that issue you mentioned about the new-release script I think I'm going to do some experiments today with that script
[11:24] <santa_> so hopefully I could get a draft implementation of what I have in my mind right now
[11:46] <acheronuk> santa_: Ok. see what you have later
[12:38] <soee> `KDevelop 5.0 Appears Ready For Release`
[15:42] <tsdgeos> topic is wrong
[15:42] <tsdgeos> plasma has landed in yaketty
[15:44]  * tsdgeos tips hat
[15:44] <blaze> clivejo: 5.6.5 Y-LANDING does it matter?
[15:46] <blaze> looks better
[15:47] <acheronuk> soee: yep. looks like 5.0 for YY in blaze's ppa
[18:59] <ahoneybun> yofel: my friend gave me an idea about the installer
[18:59] <ahoneybun> slideshow
[18:59] <ahoneybun> what if the base iso does not have pyqt5
[19:02] <ahoneybun> well the iso does have python3-pyqt5
[19:02] <ahoneybun> but not python3-pyqt5.qtwebkit
[19:03]  * valorie is reading up here......
[19:13] <ahoneybun> still getting the 'No frontend available' error
[19:13] <ahoneybun> ...
[19:13] <clivejo> santa_: ping
[19:14] <santa_> clivejo: pong
[19:14] <clivejo> :) hi
[19:14] <santa_> hi clive, what happened?
[19:15] <clivejo> regarding prison, we used the Debian ABI Manager to look after a major change in symbols
[19:15] <tsimonq2> ooh what's that? :O
[19:15] <clivejo> it now looks like upstream have bumped the lib, is it safe to remove?
[19:16] <santa_> you mean you got an abi break, you noticed that when updating the symbols file, and finally the soversion was bumped. right?
[19:16] <santa_> yes, I think it's safe to remove
[19:16] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: so what now re: akonadi ?
[19:17] <clivejo> well is looks like they renamed the symbols
[19:17] <clivejo> and used upper case instead of lower
[19:17] <santa_> for example?
[19:17] <clivejo> but they didnt bump the library until recently
[19:18] <clivejo> _ZN6prison13Code39Barcode10paintImageERK6QSizeF@Base became _ZN6Prison13QRCodeBarcode10paintImageERK6QSizeF@Base
[19:19] <santa_> and the new symbol is ...
[19:19] <clivejo> sorry that wasnt a good example
[19:20] <clivejo> they basically went from prison to Prison
[19:20] <acheronuk> Neon's change in packaging in response --> https://packaging.neon.kde.org/?p=frameworks%2Fprison.git&a=commit&h=d7962eb1ec3a8fb2e9b79fc5f106cd7a31577718
[19:21] <santa_> well, ok if I'm not missing anything it's ok to remove the debian abi manager
[19:22] <santa_> note that from now up to the next stable release any further abi breakage doesn't count
[19:22] <santa_> I mean
[19:22]  * ahoneybun wonders about : https://packaging.neon.kde.org/?p=neon%2Fubiquity-slideshow.git
[19:22] <santa_> lets say tomorrow you lose a new symbol, producing an abi breakage
[19:22] <clivejo> tsimonq2: you up for fixing that?
[19:23] <tsimonq2> clivejo: yes but pls halp :P
[19:23] <santa_> in that case you wouldn't need to bump again
[19:23] <tsimonq2> clivejo: in addition, look at my MP on akonadi
[19:23] <santa_> because upstream already did
[19:23] <clivejo> santa_: we did mention it to upstream but they didnt seem to care
[19:23] <clivejo> so we added the Debian ABI Manager to deal with it
[19:24] <santa_> because maybe they planned this
[19:24] <acheronuk> yes, upstream merged and did away with their frameworks branch, and went from 1 to 5!
[19:24] <clivejo> I guess they planned to maked the changed first, then do the bump
[19:24] <clivejo> make the changes
[19:25] <santa_> anyway I think you did the right thing
[19:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: should we make the same changes as Neon?
[19:26] <clivejo> yes, but need to also remove the ABI Manager
[19:26] <tsimonq2> I never understood, what is the ABI manager>
[19:26] <tsimonq2> s/>/?/
[19:27] <clivejo> maybe santa_ can explain it better?
[19:27] <santa_> let me find the "fabulous" manuals ...
[19:28] <acheronuk> it's crystal clear if you read --> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git/tree/cmake/README.DebianABIManager
[19:28] <clivejo> LOL
[19:28] <clivejo> in your own words would probably be better
[19:29]  * acheronuk forgot to add some indication of sarcasm in his last comment
[19:29] <acheronuk> but probably not needed :P
[19:31] <clivejo> santa_: can the ABI Manager just be totally removed, or is there a transition?
[19:32] <santa_> clivejo: not sure what you mean with 'transition' here, but yes it can be totally removed
[19:32] <acheronuk> I guess it's easier as it needs new library package anyway?
[19:32] <santa_> tsimonq2: to sum up is an invention to bump the soversion of a library when upstream doesn't
[19:33] <tsimonq2> santa_: ok
[19:33] <tsimonq2> santa_: how is that removed then?
[19:33] <santa_> I was trying to find what acheronuk linked but in case it isn't very clear, that's what it is
[19:34] <tsimonq2> also, what does X-Debian-ABI: 1 mean?
[19:34] <santa_> tsimonq2: you are tying to remve it from prison I guess?
[19:34] <tsimonq2> yup santa_ 
[19:34] <clivejo> thats the ABI I added
[19:34] <santa_> X-Debian-ABI: 1 is the version of the abi
[19:34] <clivejo> because upstream broke it
[19:34] <tsimonq2> so does that need to be touched at all?
[19:35] <clivejo> it needs removed
[19:35] <santa_> if there is a second breakage and you need to bump the soversion again you would put
[19:35] <santa_> X-Debian-ABI: 2
[19:35] <tsimonq2> In addition, the package name is Package: libkf5prison1abi1
[19:35] <clivejo> santa_: did I make a mistake there, should I have started at 0?
[19:35] <santa_> and now it would be libkf5prison5
[19:36] <santa_> clivejo: I think the one was fine
[19:36] <acheronuk> 90% is in that Neon commit
[19:36] <tsimonq2> so if I'm getting you both right, I just need to remove X-Debian-ABI: 1 and change libkf5prison1abi1 to libkf5prison5 ?
[19:36] <clivejo> tsimonq2: you also need to remove the patch
[19:36] <clivejo> yes
[19:36] <santa_> iirc the 0 was for things we tought they would break abi
[19:36] <clivejo> and fix the name of the install files and fix the symbols
[19:37] <tsimonq2> ok
[19:37] <acheronuk> don't change the quilt format is was done in that commit. they had do undo that in their next commit
[19:37] <acheronuk> *as was done
[19:38] <clivejo> can you push as a merge request that we can see the commit before you do it
[19:39] <santa_> clivejo: I mean I don't remember the exact reason but for all those libraries which we suspected they would get an abi breakage in the future we added the debian abi manager to it with 0
[19:39] <tsimonq2> I was gonna spit a diff at y'all but I guess an MP works better :P
[19:40] <santa_> and when they got the breakage we started with 1
[19:40] <clivejo> i guess it was more of a problem before the releases?
[19:41] <clivejo> and this particular package seems to be released soon with framerorks
[19:42] <ahoneybun> mm found something I missed
[19:43] <santa_> nah thiing was that, back in the days, kde sc 4 days, we knew some libraries were going to break its abi
[19:43] <santa_> the kwin libraries were very prone to do this for instance
[19:44] <santa_> however today we live in a "different world"
[19:44] <ahoneybun> mm Ark is broken
[19:44] <ahoneybun> or I should say it can't handle zips
[19:45] <clivejo> I opened a zip and created a zip couple of minutes ago
[19:45] <clivejo> to upload a child Wordpress theme
[19:45]  * tsimonq2 throws https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-prison/+merge/303620 at clivejo 
[19:45] <valorie> hmmmm, I heard about a package that is sometimes missing for Akk
[19:45] <valorie> ark
[19:46] <clivejo> you copied the symbols from Neon?
[19:47] <santa_> clivejo: today since the KCI invention by harald, rohan & company I have the impresion that libraries doesn't break its abi so much
[19:47] <santa_> but back in the days that didn't exist
[19:47] <acheronuk> ark does zips here ok as well
[19:47] <santa_> nor the automation
[19:47] <clivejo> yeah, KCI is great because we can see changed as they happen upstream
[19:48] <santa_> so only, we, the dinosaurs know how to actually use the abi manager :P
[19:48] <santa_> it's still a good thing to have in case of emergency
[19:48] <valorie> ahoneybun: `apt-cache policy libzip`
[19:49] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what version you using, mine is Version 16.04.3
[19:49] <clivejo> santa_: definitely   
[19:50] <ahoneybun> no package
[19:50] <clivejo> but its only will practice like this that I learn
[19:50] <ahoneybun> valorie: ^
[19:50] <clivejo> with
[19:50] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so...what do you think?
[19:51] <clivejo> looks ok
[19:51] <clivejo> can you push that
[19:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: also, QtSpeech is almost ready. I'd be good to get your feedback on this. I'm completely lost with the debian/copyright file. how do I write one?
[19:52] <tsimonq2> sure, pushing now
[19:52] <clivejo> copyright files are an art I have yet to master
[19:52] <acheronuk> I have unzip, p7zip and libzip4
[19:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo: think it's too early to get QtSpeech in KCI yet? XD
[19:52] <acheronuk> not sure which Ark uses
[19:53] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+git/qtspeech
[19:53] <clivejo> seems you need to read all the copyright files included in the source and compile it into the copyright file
[19:53]  * clivejo wonders if there is a tool for it
[19:54] <tsimonq2> I'm just confused as to what coverage a specific copyright notice had
[19:54] <tsimonq2> s/had/has/
[19:54] <acheronuk> I can just about fix small error in copyright, but from scratch? Not a scooby.
[19:54] <ahoneybun> filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1615799
[19:54] <clivejo> well technically it should also include your changes to the debian folder
[19:55] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I started this package from scratch :P
[19:55] <tsimonq2> so I'd like to keep the copyright on that ;)
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I'm just not sure if the Debian KDE/Qt team allows for debian/* to have a license other than LGPL
[19:55] <clivejo> Files: debian/*
[19:55] <clivejo> Copyright: 2016 Simon Quigley <email>
[19:56] <clivejo> and the licence type
[19:56] <tsimonq2> I want GPL 2
[19:56] <clivejo> tends to be GPL-2+
[19:56] <tsimonq2> s/2/2+/
[19:56] <tsimonq2> ok, I'm changing that right now :P
[19:57] <clivejo> then you need to go into the source and figure out any copyrights
[19:59] <tsimonq2> clivejo: that's the confusing part
[19:59] <tsimonq2> I have something like this
[19:59] <clivejo> have a look at this Qt copyright https://packaging.neon.kde.org/?p=qt%2Fqtbase.git&a=blob&h=b8badd81c1c35b375868f7b0b365b4ca515b5f14&hb=ffee6908928ceedea7f3cb7425afe36c71384119&f=debian%2Fcopyright
[20:00] <tsimonq2> foo/bar/bar1/whatever.pro
[20:00] <tsimonq2> foo/bar/baz/thing.cpp
[20:00] <tsimonq2> foo/bar/baz/thing.pro
[20:00] <tsimonq2> foo/bar/baz/thing.cpp has a license
[20:00] <tsimonq2> I don't know if that covers all of foo/bar/baz/
[20:01] <tsimonq2> but no file in foo/bar/bar1/ has a license
[20:02] <clivejo> santa_: is there a tool for scanning source code to create the copyright file?
[20:02] <clivejo> or is it purely manual process?
[20:05] <clivejo> Qt is a complicated one because KDE have a special arrangement
[20:05] <clivejo> https://www.kde.org/community/history/qtissue.php
[20:06] <valorie> "the announcement on Freshmeat"!
[20:06] <valorie> omg that is old
[20:07] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you had 5.25.0~ for those symbols, but left the package version as 1.2.2~git20160726-0ubuntu1?
[20:08] <tsimonq2> oh noes
[20:08] <valorie> and those old nokia links are broken
[20:08] <tsimonq2> clivejo: clivejo clivejo clivejo 
[20:08] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you said it was OK :P
[20:08] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: fixing now
[20:08]  * clivejo is seeing double
[20:09] <valorie> more up-to-date: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/opensourcelicense.html
[20:09] <tsimonq2> clivejo: can I bump 1.2.2~git20160726-0ubuntu1 to 5.25.0~git20160726-0ubuntu1 or should I create a new entry?
[20:09] <tsimonq2> clivejo: or what should I do about the versioning?
[20:09] <clivejo> just use 5.25.0
[20:10] <tsimonq2> just plain 5.25.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[20:10] <tsimonq2> what do you mean?
[20:10] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: keeping track of ubiquity?
[20:11] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yes, on that bug
[20:11] <clivejo> can you repeat the question
[20:11] <clivejo> Im not following
[20:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so prison has 1.2.2~git20160726-0ubuntu1 as the current UNRELEASED on top version
[20:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Neon, which packaging we sort of stole (:P) bumped the versioning
[20:12] <clivejo> well technically it hasnt been released
[20:12] <clivejo> our staging script will bump it
[20:12] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so do I change the existing 1.2.2~git20160726-0ubuntu1 or do I create a new entry?
[20:12] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[20:12]  * tsimonq2 doesn't touch it
[20:14] <acheronuk> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/280405701/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.prison-kf5_1.2.2+p16.10+git20160822.2007-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:17] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 clivejo http://paste.ubuntu.com/23079414/
[20:19] <clivejo> tsimonq2: is it in sync with the archive?
[20:20] <acheronuk> needs to be 5.25
[20:21] <clivejo> !info libkf5prison-dev
[20:23] <clivejo> that changelog could be tidied up
[20:24] <acheronuk> prison on kde git dumped the 1.2.2 project version and went with the KF5 version
[20:25] <acheronuk> so we need to bump to 5.25
[20:25] <acheronuk> which is why neon set 5.25 in their changelog and symbols I think
[20:26] <clivejo> but there was no 5.25 release
[20:27] <clivejo> I guess Im just making a point, dont assume a version until they make a release
[20:27] <clivejo> Ive been bitten with version numbers before
[20:28] <clivejo> in this case Jon and Harold probably have insde info that its going to be released as 5.26
[20:28] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.25/
[20:28] <clivejo> but it hasnt been officially released
[20:28] <acheronuk> they have 5.25.0~git20160810-0 indicating pre-release git?
 Yep
[20:30] <clivejo> you can always bump a version, but you cant downgrade
 Well we *do* have epochs :P
[20:30] <clivejo> believe me, you dont want to use them
[20:31] <acheronuk> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f37
 Hello humans
 and Aaron
[20:33] <clivejo> hi chicken head :P
[20:33] <valorie> o/ ovidiu-florin
 Hey crazy pants chicken man
 XD
 I wanted to tell you guys about what I made
 I made this Docker image that I use to compile KDevelop, since I always use master
 https://gitlab.com/ovidiub13/kde-build
 Ooh tell us :D
 but it can be used for any KDE application
 just in case you guys find it usefull
[20:36] <clivejo> acheronuk: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=prison.git&a=commit&h=99016c74549d1cd3e58a2d0e1210c59009fb8c06
[20:37] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, have seen that
 Note: it's just for compiling KDE Applications
 not for running them
[20:37] <clivejo> I guess its ok to do in the changelog then
[20:38] <clivejo> but just be careful
[20:38] <acheronuk> clivejo: can't remember which package, but there is at least 1 calling for prison version 5.25 as an optional build dep
[20:38] <clivejo> but in unstable it shouldnt cause any issues 
[20:40] <acheronuk> yes, and should only go into anything else if/when it is released with frameowrks, at which point that version has to be ok for that to happen
[20:40] <clivejo> could also fix the changelog
[20:41] <clivejo> no need for those UNRELEASED as they werent actually released
[20:42] <acheronuk> hmmm. just new git snapshots?
[20:42] <clivejo> yup, probably just to get KCI to build or something
[20:44] <acheronuk> so 5.25~git20160822 ? or we need the ubuntu?
[20:44] <tsimonq2> I think we need the Ubuntu
[20:44] <tsimonq2> wait yeah we do
[20:44] <clivejo> the git is added by KCI now
[20:44] <tsimonq2> because it's not JUST an upstream package
[20:45] <clivejo> all being well, it should be released in 5.26
[20:46] <clivejo> you should create a new section for Scarletts merge with Debian
[20:47] <acheronuk> yep
[20:48] <clivejo> and even the git release
[20:49] <tsimonq2> uh oh who broke it? :P ^
[20:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23079527/
[20:53] <clivejo> Scarletts should be at the top
[20:54] <clivejo> recent changes go at the end
[20:54] <acheronuk> duh! 
[20:54] <clivejo> and version number change to 5.25.0-0ubuntu1
[20:55] <clivejo> we really need to do a release of that lib!
[20:55] <acheronuk> we were versioning the unreleased 1.2.2 as 1.2.2~git20160726-0ubuntu1 before
[20:56] <clivejo> because it wasnt actually released
[20:56] <acheronuk> so 5.25~git20160822-0ubuntu1 ?
[20:56] <acheronuk> KCI coped with that
[20:56] <acheronuk> nor is this
[20:57] <clivejo> well we are assuming the next release will be 5.26
[20:57] <clivejo> but in the source code the release is set as 5.25
[20:58] <acheronuk> I'm losing track of which FW has actually been release I think. lol
[20:59] <clivejo> the problem is this has never been released as a FW
[20:59] <clivejo> it was a stand alone package
[20:59] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/prison/
[21:01] <clivejo> 1.2~git20150223
[21:01] <clivejo> that was a snapshot from git on the 23rd Feb 2015
[21:01] <clivejo> not an official release
[21:02] <acheronuk> yes, I know
[21:04] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23079544/
[21:05] <acheronuk> at least indicates it's a pre-release snapsnot of *something*
[21:06] <clivejo> yes, thats fine, but just to be compatible with the other frameworks the version is 5.25.0
[21:06] <clivejo> KDE name the sources like this -> baloo-5.25.0.tar.xz
[21:08] <acheronuk> That is what I *meant* to put. not sure how it got the other way
[21:09] <clivejo> just a - instead of a .
[21:10] <acheronuk> indeed
[21:10] <acheronuk> 5.25.0~git20160822-0ubuntu1
[21:10] <clivejo> surprised I spotted it with my runny eyes!
[21:12] <acheronuk> ready to go I think
[21:12] <santa_> clivejo: last time I touched a copyright file was a long time ago, back then it was done manually, not sure if there's some script out there today
[21:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: happy with that?
[21:14] <clivejo> I think so
[21:15] <santa_> clivejo: ... but with the help of licensecheck and some grepping
[21:15] <clivejo> but my brain isnt firing on all cylinders tonight!
[21:16] <acheronuk> kdevplatform probably needs adding to CI as well, but that is not urgent I think
[21:16] <clivejo> there are a few apps Id like added into KCI
[21:17] <clivejo> oh is that a new framework?
[21:18] <acheronuk> old thing finally being updated to KF5 I think?
[21:20] <acheronuk> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdevplatform.git
[21:20] <acheronuk> v 5 there now
[21:21] <acheronuk> !info kdevplatform-dev
[21:21] <acheronuk> 1.7.3 in YY archive
[21:22] <acheronuk> need version >= 4.90.90 for plasma-sdk to build some bits now in KCI
[21:22] <acheronuk> optional for now, but I guess will need it
[21:23] <clivejo> will you copy over debian git to LP?
[21:24] <clivejo> remember the --mirror option on clone and push
[21:24] <acheronuk> Harold was building it more or less from scratch earlier, as the changes were extensive
[21:25] <clivejo> usually the case when they port to KF5
[21:26] <acheronuk> so copy from debian, then make our branch
[21:26] <acheronuk> instead of directly using https://packaging.neon.kde.org/?p=kde-std%2Fkdevplatform.git
[21:26] <clivejo> Neon is not out upstream
[21:26] <clivejo> our
[21:27] <acheronuk> just seems wasted steps, but fair enough
[21:27] <clivejo> well once you copy the debian repo and push to LP
[21:28] <clivejo> you can add Neon as a remote and cherry pick the changes
[21:29] <clivejo> Neon maintain their own branches
[21:30] <clivejo> when you cherry pick like that you should give credit to them though
[21:31] <clivejo> remember to change the VCS fields 
[21:32] <acheronuk> ok
[21:35] <acheronuk> I guess that should at least start off as 1.7.3-0ubuntu2 UNRELEASED, as 1.7.3-0ubuntu1 is in YY archive?
[21:36] <clivejo> could do the same as prison
[21:36] <clivejo> find its current version in git
[21:37] <clivejo> 30 hours ago it was bumped to 5.0.0
[21:38] <clivejo> 5.0.0~git20160822-0ubuntu1
[21:39] <clivejo> actually no
[21:41] <acheronuk> no?
[21:43] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.0/src/
[21:43] <clivejo> looks like it was released
[21:43] <acheronuk> ooh
[21:43] <clivejo> so should be versioned like that
[21:43] <clivejo> 5.0-0ubuntu1
[21:44] <acheronuk> yep
[21:44] <clivejo> check/update the watch file too
[21:45] <acheronuk>  * New upstream release
[21:45] <clivejo> yes, I would put the version in brackets
[21:45] <clivejo> you are doing this on a new Kubuntu_unstable branch?
[21:46] <acheronuk> yes
[21:46] <clivejo> :)
[21:46] <acheronuk> http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/([\d.]+)/src/kdevplatform-([\d.]+).tar.(?:xz|bz2|gz)
[21:47] <clivejo> I would test it with uscan
[21:47] <clivejo> that just confuses me
[21:47] <acheronuk> ditto
[21:47] <clivejo> in the git folder run
[21:47] <clivejo> uscan --download-current-version --destdir=../
[21:47] <clivejo> make sure it can find version 5.0
[21:48] <acheronuk> it grabbed that ok :)
[21:48] <clivejo> then the watch file is fine :)
[21:48] <clivejo> I only look at it if it fails!
[21:50] <clivejo> we should look about getting 5.0 in the archive
[21:52] <acheronuk> unstable pushed. kubuntu_yakkety_archive as before I presume
[21:52] <clivejo> wait until you get the packaging sorted out
[21:53] <acheronuk> good point!
[21:53] <clivejo> if you cherry pick from Neon
[21:53] <clivejo> remember to give credit for it in the changelog
[21:54] <acheronuk> I will probably run through it myself tomorrow, just as practice
[21:55] <acheronuk> and only refer elsewhere if I get stuck
[21:55] <clivejo> best way to learn
[21:56] <clivejo> I tend to comment all the old stuff out
[21:57] <clivejo> figure out the new build depends, let it build and then try and break it up into the different packages
[21:57] <acheronuk> yep
[21:58] <acheronuk> even Harold was forgetting to add ECM for build deps earlier o_O
[21:58] <clivejo> most of not all need that
[21:58] <clivejo> if not
[21:59] <acheronuk> took an hr or so for their KCI to build!
[22:00] <acheronuk> I hope this machine is faster than that
[22:01] <clivejo> have they moved it from nci?
[22:02] <acheronuk> the builders? I have no idea where they are to be honest
[22:02] <clivejo> I thought the master was all on the same box
[22:02] <clivejo> dci, kci and nci
[22:03] <clivejo> http://pangea.pub
[22:03] <acheronuk> could be, if not on kde infra yet
[22:03] <clivejo> Id love to get Daily Kubuntu ISO's working
[22:05] <acheronuk> they are broken again?
[22:05] <clivejo> they need a green board I think
[22:06] <acheronuk> you will have to explain that remark
[22:06] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/iso_yakkety_unstable_amd64/
[22:06] <clivejo> its a job that creates an iso image
[22:06] <acheronuk> hadn't noticed that. nice :)
[22:07] <clivejo> but would require a lot of packages to be fixed!
[22:07] <acheronuk> I've been slowly trying to get the KCI error and warnings down
[22:07] <clivejo> I noticed :)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> me too
[22:07] <tsimonq2> but symbols are terrible :P
[22:08] <tsimonq2> so I've been trying to get this freaking LXQt instance good to go...
[22:08] <tsimonq2> :O ^
[22:09] <acheronuk> clivejo: can actually run KCI fairly well as a repo in a VM at the moment.
[22:09] <clivejo> bar PIM :P
[22:09] <clivejo> its well broken
[22:09] <acheronuk> well, yes
[22:09] <clivejo> but thats a given
[22:11] <clivejo> KCI is definitely a great tool
[22:12] <clivejo> but needs to be constantly kept right
[22:12] <acheronuk> KCI --> http://i.imgur.com/JxGtEcG.jpg
[22:12] <acheronuk> No Neon required
[22:13] <clivejo> Neon was the name for our CI
[22:13] <clivejo> back in the day
[22:13] <tsimonq2> DAYUM that background acheronuk 
[22:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: I know. I tinkered with that back then
[22:14] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: toooooooooo bright!
[22:14] <tsimonq2> :( no no no
[22:14] <tsimonq2> it's PERFECT
[22:14] <tsimonq2> I LOVE it :D
[22:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: BTW how did you get that KDE Plasma version?
[22:15] <acheronuk> perfect if you want to follow the yellow brick road
[22:15] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: that is the KCI unstable ppa added to a YY VM
[22:16] <tsimonq2> OOH I'm doing that now! :D
[22:16] <clivejo> not on production machine!
[22:16] <tsimonq2> BTW I always wondered, why do y'all call it YY?
[22:16] <tsimonq2> I know clivejo, I'm not THAT stupid :P
[22:17] <clivejo> Yakkety Yak = YY
[22:17] <tsimonq2> s/YY/Yakkety/g
[22:17] <tsimonq2> ik but still :P
[22:17] <clivejo> just short hand
[22:17] <tsimonq2> ic
[22:19] <acheronuk> Apart from doing it as I could for the hell of it, and to see what happened, thought adding that to a VM might be useful 
[22:20] <acheronuk> find dependency/conflicts/missing stuff etc that are more obvious on a real install
[22:24] <acheronuk> new login http://i.imgur.com/pdCLyVQ.png
[22:28] <clivejo> is that the distributed login ?
[22:28] <clivejo> or roaming or whatever its called?
[22:29] <acheronuk> not heard it called that
[22:29] <acheronuk> they wanted something better for enterprise etc use
[22:30] <acheronuk> kontact runs
[22:30] <clivejo> you can setup a username@kde and log into any internet connected computer and it downloads your profile
[22:31] <acheronuk> don't see any sign of that
[22:31] <clivejo> you checked in system settings?
[22:32] <clivejo> dont think it would be enabled by default
[22:33] <acheronuk> can't see anything in settings. not obviously or by searching, anyway
[22:33] <clivejo> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Plasma-5.7-Logins
[22:34] <clivejo> sounds really good in an enterprise environment
[22:35] <acheronuk> I don't recall seeing that in any plasma 5.7 announcements
[22:35] <clivejo> I looked but couldnt find it
[22:35] <clivejo> thought it might be in 5.8
[22:37] <acheronuk> kde they were putting together preliminary 5.8 release notes on an etherpad or similar I think?
[22:37] <clivejo> oh there is an online accounts section in settings
[22:38] <clivejo> maybe you have to give it your owncloud details before it offers that login
[22:41] <acheronuk> don't see it
[22:42] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/IiNj51x.png
[22:42] <clivejo> me neither
[22:44] <clivejo> missing package?
[22:44] <acheronuk> https://notes.kde.org/p/plasma_5_8
[22:46] <acheronuk> * New small graphical utility to create Look and feel themes
[22:46] <acheronuk> that is what needs kirigami ^^^^