[00:37] <zztopless> Offcial support, sweet.  Can I book someone to come around this afternoon?
[00:40] <zztopless> Hilariousness aside, I was hoping someone here might have had some luck getting 16.04 to function as well with two monitors (in terms of pbeing able to hit the cycle monitor button any time, on ether one and have it just work)
[00:41] <zztopless> at the moment, from the bits and peices I've been experimenting with, I can't even get one monitor full screeb :/
 That's odd, are you on 16.04 with back ports?
[00:59] <zztopless> no
[01:00] <zztopless> just the deault repos, only think I've touched in that area is changed the main repo to a local mirror, as 8MB/sec beats 500KB/sec
[01:02] <zztopless> TO at least get back to where I was 12 houurs ago, other than a reinstallation, what packages would I need to remove or remove and install to achieve the same thing?   plasma-desktop seems a no brainer with vm tooks
[01:02] <zztopless> *tools
 reinstall?
[01:04] <zztopless> lol, Im tired enough that I was wondring hwo two people got together on the one line and spoke to me
[01:05] <zztopless> yeah, you're right, it's 5 minutes installed off the iso on  a ram drive to a small virtual drive on my hdd... but... magic bullet?
[01:07] <zztopless> what is you're opinion on vmware's guest tools vs open vm tools?  They never worked that well for me in the past and my short forey into using them earlier today seemed to have no impact
[01:08] <zztopless> I manged to edit that file too so I can install it with -d despite needing to say no to the first question (the one that tells you open vm tools is better, will provide oral sex etc)
[01:14] <mparillo> I run kubuntu as a vmware guest. I always sudo apt install open-vm-tools-desktop on the guest.
[01:15] <zztopless> and you can go full screen and use the clycle monitor button with the secon monitor?
[01:15] <zztopless> It's very handy for me to be able to close on monitor if there's somethign on the host on that screen I need to see
[01:16] <mparillo> I can go full screen, and I can extend the Kubuntu guest across the laptop and external monitor.
[01:16] <zztopless> it workd so well and was fast
[01:16] <zztopless> if you treat them as two monitors though, can you use the cycle button?
[01:16] <mparillo> But usually I go kubuntu guest on my external monitor and win7 host on the laptop.
[01:17] <zztopless> fair enough
[01:17] <mparillo> I do not know how to use the cycle button. So when I have two monitors running the Kubuntu desk it acts as one big monitor, and I simply slide the mouse across.
[01:17] <zztopless> I can see the value for some situaions in extending, but this is for my home workstation
[01:18] <zztopless> I run windows 10 host, something ubuntun based with a kde desktop as a guest (kubuntu, mint kde being two to main ones i've gone backa nd forward between)
[01:19] <zztopless> yeah I can do that too, but if you maximised a program, would it maximise over both screens?
[01:19] <mparillo> By default no
[01:19] <zztopless> then it's probably the same setup as me
[01:19] <zztopless> the button is small (I don't htink it's on player, just workstation too)
[01:19] <mparillo> So even when you extend the guest to two screens, then maximise only is to one screen.
[01:20] <zztopless> it actually snaps to one
[01:20] <mparillo> But, if you do not maximize, you can stretch it across two screens, IIRC.
[01:20] <zztopless> virtualbox can let you minimise two screens seperately
[01:20] <zztopless> but that has downsides too, as does other areas of virtualbox
[01:20] <zztopless> yeah, you can
[01:21] <mparillo> But my usual case would be to have something (IRC, terminal, editor) in one screen and the output (say a web page) on the other.
[01:21] <zztopless> there is a way to naje kubuntu see it as one monitor too, but it would be a pain
[01:22] <zztopless> yeah, me too
[01:23] <zztopless> but I used windows for some things (Skype for work, outlook etc) and of course anything resource intensive that it can't run abracted away from the cpu/gpu (yes the odd game :P)
[01:24] <zztopless> I'm really liking how much kubuntu has improved since the 15 (and kde 5) launch. I'd like to make it my dailer vm, but gotta sort this out
[01:37] <zztopless> does anyone know if bother to change which repo mittor is used in the muon app from the installation live version of the os, does that mean the downloads done during installation should go through it, ir does the read only nature of the installation disk make that not possible?
[01:38] <zztopless> *matter
[01:39] <zztopless> i stuppose netstat during installation will answer that
[01:44] <mparillo> The ISO is read only, but as I understand it, while it is running, it is running in memory. That means you can, for example, install software, change configs, etc. You just loose it every reboot. Which makes it perfect for one of my use cases: Home Banking.
[01:44] <mparillo> lose it.
[01:48] <mparillo> Good night all.
[01:48] <zztopless> thanks, that was my hope
[01:48] <zztopless> night (well good midday here)
[01:49] <zztopless> I mean live OSs wouldn't function if they couldn't use memory that way short term
[01:50] <zztopless> Although I suppose it's the volume of data that can eb stored that's the limited factor, now time
[07:44] <dubis> Hello, Where Can I find java extension for Kdevelopp ???
[07:45] <dubis> I tried to download it with extention installer but it seems jamed since 10 minuts
[08:41] <valorie> dubis: please ask in #kdevelop
[08:47] <dubis> Thanks valorie I 'm afraid they told me why java?
[08:48] <valorie> heh
[08:48] <valorie> well, there are java IDEs if you insist on java
[08:49] <valorie> use the right tool for the job, I suppose
[10:17] <nadim> morning
[10:23] <nadim> I'll ask again, zef core dumps with the latest p6, build from git, and panda can't find Shell::Command. install is on a brand new box.
[10:27] <nadim> oops, wrong channel
[10:46] <Naaish> #sudo apt
[10:53] <DerRedinator> hi
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:34] <hazamonzo_> Hi BluesKaj
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo_
[11:39] <BluesKaj> ahh more coffee...
[11:40] <hazamonzo_> Funday Mondays!
[11:45] <BluesKaj> yeah well, they used to be "fun" , but since retirement one day is pretty much the same as the next in that sense
[17:10] <discovered> How i hide all application from the panel that is running in a Virtual Desktop?
[17:15] <discovered> got
[17:15] <discovered> it
[18:11] <user|6672> Hello
[18:12] <acheronuk> user|6672: Hi
[19:38] <claycorn> hello
[20:37] <Dr_Coke> Does anybody know why mozilla thunderbird can't connect to hotmail or gmail
[20:37] <Dr_Coke> It keeps telling wrong username or password but I am sure they are correct
[20:38] <Dr_Coke> I would use the Kmail but it doesn't work either for google
[20:39] <valorie> Dr_Coke: I believe you have to allow it on the Google side
[20:39] <valorie> for security reasons
[20:40] <valorie> from googling:
[20:40] <valorie> Here are the steps:
[20:40] <valorie> Log into your Gmail account.
[20:40] <valorie> Click the gear icon at the top right, then choose Settings.
[20:40] <valorie> Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP to bring up the POP and IMAP settings.
[20:40] <valorie> Click Enable IMAP.
[20:41] <valorie> Click Save Changes.
[20:41] <valorie> that was about using in Outlook but I believe it is the same for any other application using Gmail
[20:42] <Dr_Coke> Thanks valorie
[20:42] <Dr_Coke> I think I did that a long time ago though
[20:42] <Dr_Coke> I will try it though
[20:42] <Dr_Coke> but thunderbird won't work at all now
[20:43] <Dr_Coke> with hotmail and gmail
[20:43] <valorie> well, tbird isn't our application
[20:43] <valorie> we release KDE stuff for the most part
[20:44] <valorie> libreoffice and FF being exceptions right now
[20:47] <valorie> that said, more specific help: https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en
[20:47]  * valorie goes afk
[20:53] <Dr_Coke> Hey valorie I enabled less secure apps
[20:53] <Dr_Coke> in gmail
[20:53] <Dr_Coke> I couldn't find where to do it but it gave me a link and I enabled it and now Kmail is working with gmail
[20:54] <valorie> great!
[20:54] <valorie> really away....
[20:59] <Dr_Coke> I just can't figure out what to do with thunderbird though
[22:33] <Magkneetoe> anyone using a dock-like thing for apps on lubuntu?