| === JanC is now known as Guest98943 | ||
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| est31 | Hello. | 04:12 |
|---|---|---|
| est31 | I'm a minetest developer. | 04:12 |
| est31 | Recently there has been a release of an upstream library minetest uses, irrlicht | 04:13 |
| est31 | that release has been ignored by debian, until now | 04:13 |
| est31 | maybe they will continue to ignore it, idk | 04:13 |
| est31 | is there a way to get the newest irrlicht release into ubuntu 16.10? | 04:13 |
| est31 | Thanks to anyone replying. | 04:14 |
| est31 | relevant links: | 04:14 |
| est31 | https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/watch?pkg=irrlicht | 04:14 |
| est31 | http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/?p=1575 | 04:14 |
| est31 | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/irrlicht/irrlicht_1.8.3+dfsg1-2_changelog | 04:15 |
| est31 | Current state makes me really sad, as there are bugfixes inside the library which the users need! | 04:15 |
| est31 | s/library/release/ | 04:15 |
| Son_Goku | est31, you need to complain to debian | 04:25 |
| Unit193 | Looks like Julien Puydt did something on it just last month. | 04:25 |
| Son_Goku | irrlicht comes to ubuntu through the debian import/merge | 04:25 |
| Son_Goku | if the package in debian is updated quickly enough in unstable and testing, then it'll come to ubuntu 16.10 through the regular automatic import | 04:27 |
| est31 | Son_Goku, no, because there is already a freeze in effect | 04:27 |
| est31 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze | 04:27 |
| Son_Goku | then you'll need to request an exception | 04:27 |
| est31 | and what if debian doesn't update in time? | 04:28 |
| Son_Goku | file a bug in the irrlicht ubuntu package requesting it | 04:28 |
| Son_Goku | then you're stuck | 04:28 |
| Son_Goku | as a rule of thumb, ubuntu doesn't make packages | 04:28 |
| Son_Goku | nor does it generally accept any | 04:28 |
| Son_Goku | it's downstream from debian, and aside from some extraordinary cases, usually the debian and ubuntu packaging is managed upstream in debian | 04:29 |
| est31 | testing requires stuff to be at least one month in unstable, right? | 04:29 |
| Son_Goku | normally yes | 04:30 |
| Son_Goku | however, being in unstable alone is usually enough | 04:30 |
| Son_Goku | as ubuntu is sourced from testing and unstable | 04:30 |
| est31 | thats enough for updating? | 04:30 |
| Son_Goku | well, that, and you need to make a good case to the MOTU | 04:30 |
| est31 | 1. only one dep -- minetest | 04:31 |
| est31 | 2. only a bugfix release | 04:31 |
| Son_Goku | I'm not on the MOTU or an Ubuntu developer | 04:31 |
| Son_Goku | heck, I don't even use Ubuntu | 04:31 |
| Son_Goku | you need to file your request here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irrlicht | 04:32 |
| Son_Goku | but only after debian is updated | 04:32 |
| est31 | yes. | 04:33 |
| Son_Goku | good luck | 04:33 |
| est31 | I just know that launchpad is not the medium I want to use so that stuff gets looked at in time | 04:33 |
| est31 | its ... experience | 04:33 |
| est31 | Son_Goku, what distro do you use? | 04:34 |
| Son_Goku | Fedora and Mageia | 04:34 |
| est31 | Fedora and mageia have this issue as well | 04:35 |
| est31 | https://pkgs.org/search/irrlicht | 04:35 |
| est31 | but I know a mageia packager, I'll contact him as soon as I can reach him on irc | 04:35 |
| Son_Goku | Akien? | 04:36 |
| est31 | yes :) | 04:36 |
| Son_Goku | heh | 04:36 |
| est31 | how do you know | 04:36 |
| Son_Goku | send him an email | 04:36 |
| Son_Goku | Akien is the leader of the Mageia packagers | 04:37 |
| Son_Goku | as well as one of the members of the Mageia.Org council | 04:37 |
| est31 | wow | 04:37 |
| Son_Goku | and... he sent me a bugfix for lugaru several years ago :) | 04:37 |
| * Son_Goku is the project admin for Lugaru | 04:37 | |
| Son_Goku | he won't be back on IRC until the 26th, but he's available via email | 04:38 |
| Son_Goku | akien@mageia.org | 04:38 |
| est31 | good to know | 04:38 |
| est31 | thanks Son_Goku will write an email | 04:38 |
| Son_Goku | as for Fedora... | 04:39 |
| Son_Goku | irrlicht is maintained by Tom Calloway | 04:39 |
| Son_Goku | send him an email at spot@fedoraproject.org | 04:39 |
| est31 | i dont care about fedora | 04:39 |
| * Son_Goku shrugs | 04:39 | |
| est31 | minetest is borken on wayland | 04:39 |
| est31 | fedora 25 ships with wayland per default | 04:39 |
| est31 | they ignored it | 04:39 |
| Son_Goku | uhh | 04:40 |
| Son_Goku | only one desktop environment uses wayland by default | 04:40 |
| Son_Goku | that's gnome | 04:40 |
| est31 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1277165 | 04:40 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1277165 in wayland "[Wayland] Minetest no pointer lock" [High,New] | 04:40 |
| Son_Goku | the rest of the desktops are using X | 04:40 |
| Son_Goku | also, wayland is not likely to remain on through the end of f25 development | 04:41 |
| est31 | lets hope that. | 04:41 |
| Son_Goku | and they're not gutting X support either | 04:41 |
| Son_Goku | and it's also not being ignored, either | 04:42 |
| Son_Goku | there's well over a dozen bugs related to that problem | 04:42 |
| Son_Goku | it's going to get fixed as soon as the wayland folks agree on how to fix it | 04:42 |
| est31 | the only part that needs fixing is xwayland | 04:43 |
| est31 | at this point at least | 04:43 |
| * Son_Goku shrugs | 04:43 | |
| est31 | latest mutter stable release already has pointer locking, and confinement | 04:43 |
| Son_Goku | just remember not to be mean and spiteful to all the fedora users just because of the gnome people | 04:43 |
| Son_Goku | the community is much bigger than them | 04:44 |
| Son_Goku | and spot is a good guy | 04:44 |
| est31 | okay, will drop him a mail | 04:44 |
| Son_Goku | :D | 04:45 |
| Son_Goku | we can all be friends, right? :) | 04:45 |
| est31 | Son_Goku, sometimes its hard to be sympathetic to all parts of the open source ecosystem | 04:46 |
| est31 | but you changed my mind about fedora at least | 04:46 |
| Son_Goku | :) | 04:46 |
| est31 | (It was hard enough btw to convince irrlicht devs to do a release at all...) | 04:47 |
| est31 | :) | 04:47 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:48 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ pitti, how are you? :) | 04:59 |
| pitti | tsimonq2: okayish, thanks (still have an annoying cold); how about you? | 05:00 |
| tsimonq2 | aww get better soon | 05:02 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm great :) | 05:02 |
| Mirv | pitti: A server error occured. https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=yakkety&arch=i386&package=unity8&trigger=ubuntu-system-settings%2F0.4%2B16.10.20160817.2-0ubuntu1 | 07:08 |
| pitti | Mirv: hm, just worked for me | 07:19 |
| pitti | Mirv: the logs show an SSL timeout | 07:19 |
| pitti | so it appears to be spurious | 07:20 |
| Mirv | (thank you) | 07:56 |
| jamespage | slangasek, I've added aodh and barbican to the misc-servers seed so that they stick in main... | 08:23 |
| jamespage | hey archive admins - could ovn-controller-vtep and python3-openvswitch be demoted to universe please - neither should be in main for now | 08:49 |
| pitti | jamespage: done (in y-proposed, the binaries only exist there) | 09:01 |
| caribou | xnox: did you get a chance to look at LP: #1611133 since dragan-s uploaded the status files ? | 09:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1611133 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg truncates lines in 'status' file which begin with two spaces." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611133 | 09:02 |
| xnox | caribou, no. Just opened good/bad files, they do look weird. (I was not subscribed to the bug, hence didn't get email notifications) | 09:05 |
| jamespage | pitti, ta | 09:06 |
| caribou | xnox: looking at it atm; the amount of 'corrupted' files is surprizing > 1000 in one file | 09:06 |
| xnox | caribou, it does look bad. The diff between the two is not encouraging. | 09:07 |
| xnox | i really hope it is not actually dpkg bug, but something/somewhere else that tries to parse status file. Because trivial precise debootstrap + upgrade did not reproduce this issue. | 09:07 |
| caribou | xnox: I'm looking at precise's code to get a hang of dpkg's workflow | 09:08 |
| xnox | the installation appears to be fairly bog standard: ubuntu-standard/minima/desktop | 09:09 |
| xnox | caribou, first step can you reproduce the issue reliably? E.g. bootstrap/install from .0 iso, or just release archive. Install ubuntu-desktop. Upgrade to latest dpkg, then upgrade the world, then spot broken status file. | 09:10 |
| xnox | if yes, buggy dpkg / libdpkg-perl or some such, otherwise something somewhere else. | 09:10 |
| caribou | xnox: that'd be the easy way out ;-) it happens in an environment where Landscape Dedicated Service is in use | 09:11 |
| xnox | caribou, wait a minute - does landscape-* stuff parses and/or writes and/or touches internal dpkg status file at all? | 09:11 |
| caribou | xnox: so the archive is not our public archive but an LDS provided one built with reprepro | 09:11 |
| xnox | is there a way to tell from the status files of any custom packages at all? | 09:12 |
| caribou | xnox: I wouldn't think so; the broken status file is at the receiving end (i.e. the client) | 09:12 |
| caribou | xnox: let me check on a few broken package | 09:12 |
| xnox | somehow i would have thought the problem would be spotted / be more widespread than just one deployment if it was dpkg. | 09:12 |
| xnox | however ubuntu-minimal description is borked. | 09:14 |
| caribou | xnox: I see 650 of them, all standard Ubuntu packages | 09:17 |
| caribou | xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23077770/ | 09:18 |
| caribou | xnox: FYI, the list I pasted is wrong, there are less corrupted packages than listed | 09:49 |
| xnox | caribou, i pasted a diff with a lot of context to the bug report. | 09:50 |
| xnox | it seems to show a few, and i guess we only need one package to be corrupted. E.g. "ubuntu-minimal" is corrupted. | 09:50 |
| === tvoss is now known as tvoss|lunch | ||
| === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln | ||
| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| === tvoss|lunch is now known as tvoss | ||
| === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko | ||
| === marcustomlinson is now known as marcustomlinson| | ||
| === marcustomlinson| is now known as marcustomlinson | ||
| === _salem is now known as salem_ | ||
| flexiondotorg | I removed mate-hud from the ubuntu-mate-core seeds and meta package last week. It needs more time to bake. | 12:37 |
| flexiondotorg | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.yakkety/revision/113 | 12:38 |
| flexiondotorg | But it is still being seeded via germinate and is present in todays daily-live ISO. | 12:39 |
| flexiondotorg | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-mate.yakkety/core | 12:39 |
| flexiondotorg | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+changelog | 12:39 |
| flexiondotorg | Have I overlooked something to ensure a package is no longer seeded in the Ubuntu MATE 16.10 images? | 12:39 |
| sitter | popey: anyone from snappy coming to akademy/qtcon and possibly staying for discussions (Sept 5-8)? should we register a time slot? | 12:44 |
| popey | sitter: i don't think there's snappy specific devs at qtcon/akademy. I think we do have *some* people going. Will find out who. | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | flexiondotorg: Bodged for now, but the problem is apparently that somebody deleted lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.vivid and that broke the update-seeds cron job. Will need to investigate ... | 12:55 |
| cjwatson | (I might just push my latest version back up. Old seed branches aren't supposed to be deleted.) | 12:56 |
| flexiondotorg | cjwatson, Thanks for the feedback. | 12:56 |
| sitter | popey: I also got asked by a colleague who's working on plasma mobile whether someone from the touch team might be at qtcon :) | 13:04 |
| Odd_Bloke | I'm comparing the initramfs of a cloud instance and of my laptop (both on the same xenial kernel); per lsinitramfs my laptop's contains fsck whereas the cloud instance does not. I can't work out where this difference is coming from, having examined /{etc,usr/share}/initramfs-tools. Where should I be looking to find it? | 13:25 |
| pitti | Odd_Bloke: presumably because cloud instances disable fscking in fstab? | 13:26 |
| pitti | Odd_Bloke: see /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck | 13:27 |
| pitti | s/?// (I know that cloud-init disable fscking partitions, and rightly so) | 13:28 |
| pitti | cloud instances, I mean (not sure if it's actually cloud-init) | 13:28 |
| Odd_Bloke | Aha, right. | 13:28 |
| Odd_Bloke | OK, that makes sense. | 13:29 |
| Odd_Bloke | Thanks! | 13:30 |
| === Guest7251 is now known as zokko | ||
| cjwatson | flexiondotorg: aha, I found https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/ubuntu-gnome.vivid. No idea how it got there (I have an IP address for the change but that doesn't tell me a whole lot). Moved back to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.vivid where it belongs. | 13:51 |
| flexiondotorg | Thanks for that. | 13:57 |
| jbicha | cjwatson: I clicked the archive button for eol stuff at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ but I didn't otherwise move branches | 15:00 |
| jbicha | sorry, not archive, I changed the branch status to "abandoned" | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | jbicha: Yeah, Abandoned is fine, but somebody also changed the branch target to "Personal". I changed it back | 15:01 |
| jbicha | hmm, now that I think about it, that IP address might be familiar then but I don't remember what I might have clicked :( | 15:02 |
| slangasek | jamespage: ok, thanks :) | 15:24 |
| jamespage | slangasek, np - need to teach coreycb how todo that :-) | 15:25 |
| jamespage | but he's not around today | 15:25 |
| jamespage | ddellav, hey - I 'seeded' aodh and barbican packages - I'll grab you this week to explain how and what that means... | 15:25 |
| xnox | "C++11 requires a space between literal and string macro" c++ FTBFS of the day. | 15:29 |
| ddellav | jamespage ok, sounds good | 15:50 |
| seb128 | Laney, pitti, do we have a tag for systemd user session bugs? | 16:24 |
| Laney | not that I know | 16:26 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 16:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, bug #1615726 just for info then | 16:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1615726 in gnupg2 (Ubuntu) "gpg-agent.service "Invalid escape sequences in line" warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615726 | 16:27 |
| Laney | feel free to invent one | 16:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, pitti, I tagged it systemd-user-session | 16:30 |
| Laney | seb128: close: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-session | 16:34 |
| Laney | :( | 16:34 |
| seb128 | oh, urg, renaming it! | 16:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 16:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #1484027 seems to still be there/be back on xenial and yakkety, should I reopen that one or open a new bug? | 16:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1484027 in rsyslog (Ubuntu) "systemd-tmpfiles-clean warns about duplicate /var/log line" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484027 | 16:39 |
| seb128 | k, enough for today, have a nice evening everyone! | 16:58 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I used that to correspond to our earlier systemd-boot tag | 17:29 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, and now I got the notification -- I'm subscribed to the tag | 17:34 |
| pitti | seb128: bonne soirée ! | 17:34 |
| pitti | pour moi aussi | 17:34 |
| jbicha | cjwatson: I can confirm that germinate is working again for Ubuntu GNOME/yakkety | 17:45 |
| aladdin | Hi | 18:14 |
| aladdin | sorry to bother you | 18:14 |
| aladdin | it is possible to install unity8 currently with Yakkety daily from today ? | 18:15 |
| aladdin | I got this error http://www.hastebin.com/jatizuraka.vhdl | 18:15 |
| === tsimonq2alt is now known as tsimonq2 | ||
| cjwatson | jbicha: good good, thanks | 20:24 |
| === mchro- is now known as mchro | ||
| === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!