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est31I'm a minetest developer.04:12
est31Recently there has been a release of an upstream library minetest uses, irrlicht04:13
est31that release has been ignored by debian, until now04:13
est31maybe they will continue to ignore it, idk04:13
est31is there a way to get the newest irrlicht release into ubuntu 16.10?04:13
est31Thanks to anyone replying.04:14
est31relevant links:04:14
est31Current state makes me really sad, as there are bugfixes inside the library which the users need!04:15
Son_Gokuest31, you need to complain to debian04:25
Unit193Looks like Julien Puydt did something on it just last month.04:25
Son_Gokuirrlicht comes to ubuntu through the debian import/merge04:25
Son_Gokuif the package in debian is updated quickly enough in unstable and testing, then it'll come to ubuntu 16.10 through the regular automatic import04:27
est31Son_Goku, no, because there is already a freeze in effect04:27
Son_Gokuthen you'll need to request an exception04:27
est31and what if debian doesn't update in time?04:28
Son_Gokufile a bug in the irrlicht ubuntu package requesting it04:28
Son_Gokuthen you're stuck04:28
Son_Gokuas a rule of thumb, ubuntu doesn't make packages04:28
Son_Gokunor does it generally accept any04:28
Son_Gokuit's downstream from debian, and aside from some extraordinary cases, usually the debian and ubuntu packaging is managed upstream in debian04:29
est31testing requires stuff to be at least one month in unstable, right?04:29
Son_Gokunormally yes04:30
Son_Gokuhowever, being in unstable alone is usually enough04:30
Son_Gokuas ubuntu is sourced from testing and unstable04:30
est31thats enough for updating?04:30
Son_Gokuwell, that, and you need to make a good case to the MOTU04:30
est311. only one dep -- minetest04:31
est312. only a bugfix release04:31
Son_GokuI'm not on the MOTU or an Ubuntu developer04:31
Son_Gokuheck, I don't even use Ubuntu04:31
Son_Gokuyou need to file your request here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irrlicht04:32
Son_Gokubut only after debian is updated04:32
Son_Gokugood luck04:33
est31I just know that launchpad is not the medium I want to use so that stuff gets looked at in time04:33
est31its ... experience04:33
est31Son_Goku, what distro do you use?04:34
Son_GokuFedora and Mageia04:34
est31Fedora and mageia have this issue as well04:35
est31but I know a mageia packager, I'll contact him as soon as I can reach him on irc04:35
est31yes :)04:36
est31how do you know04:36
Son_Gokusend him an email04:36
Son_GokuAkien is the leader of the Mageia packagers04:37
Son_Gokuas well as one of the members of the Mageia.Org council04:37
Son_Gokuand... he sent me a bugfix for lugaru several years ago :)04:37
* Son_Goku is the project admin for Lugaru04:37
Son_Gokuhe won't be back on IRC until the 26th, but he's available via email04:38
est31good to know04:38
est31thanks Son_Goku will write an email04:38
Son_Gokuas for Fedora...04:39
Son_Gokuirrlicht is maintained by Tom Calloway04:39
Son_Gokusend him an email at spot@fedoraproject.org04:39
est31i dont care about fedora04:39
* Son_Goku shrugs04:39
est31minetest is borken on wayland04:39
est31fedora 25 ships with wayland per default04:39
est31they ignored it04:39
Son_Gokuonly one desktop environment uses wayland by default04:40
Son_Gokuthat's gnome04:40
ubottubugzilla.redhat.com bug 1277165 in wayland "[Wayland] Minetest no pointer lock" [High,New]04:40
Son_Gokuthe rest of the desktops are using X04:40
Son_Gokualso, wayland is not likely to remain on through the end of f25 development04:41
est31lets hope that.04:41
Son_Gokuand they're not gutting X support either04:41
Son_Gokuand it's also not being ignored, either04:42
Son_Gokuthere's well over a dozen bugs related to that problem04:42
Son_Gokuit's going to get fixed as soon as the wayland folks agree on how to fix it04:42
est31the only part that needs fixing is xwayland04:43
est31at this point at least04:43
* Son_Goku shrugs04:43
est31latest mutter stable release already has pointer locking, and confinement04:43
Son_Gokujust remember not to be mean and spiteful to all the fedora users just because of the gnome people04:43
Son_Gokuthe community is much bigger than them04:44
Son_Gokuand spot is a good guy04:44
est31okay, will drop him a mail04:44
Son_Gokuwe can all be friends, right? :)04:45
est31Son_Goku, sometimes its hard to be sympathetic to all parts of the open source ecosystem04:46
est31but you changed my mind about fedora at least04:46
est31(It was hard enough btw to convince irrlicht devs to do a release at all...)04:47
pittiGood morning04:48
tsimonq2o/ pitti, how are you? :)04:59
pittitsimonq2: okayish, thanks (still have an annoying cold); how about you?05:00
tsimonq2aww get better soon05:02
tsimonq2I'm great :)05:02
Mirvpitti: A server error occured. https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=yakkety&arch=i386&package=unity8&trigger=ubuntu-system-settings%2F0.4%2B16.10.20160817.2-0ubuntu107:08
pittiMirv: hm, just worked for me07:19
pittiMirv: the logs show an SSL timeout07:19
pittiso it appears to be spurious07:20
Mirv(thank you)07:56
jamespageslangasek, I've added aodh and barbican to the misc-servers seed so that they stick in main...08:23
jamespagehey archive admins - could ovn-controller-vtep and python3-openvswitch be demoted to universe please -  neither should be in main for now08:49
pittijamespage: done (in y-proposed, the binaries only exist there)09:01
caribouxnox: did you get a chance to look at LP: #1611133 since dragan-s uploaded the status files ?09:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1611133 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg truncates lines in 'status' file which begin with two spaces." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161113309:02
xnoxcaribou, no. Just opened good/bad files, they do look weird. (I was not subscribed to the bug, hence didn't get email notifications)09:05
jamespagepitti, ta09:06
caribouxnox: looking at it atm; the amount of 'corrupted' files is surprizing > 1000 in one file09:06
xnoxcaribou, it does look bad. The diff between the two is not encouraging.09:07
xnoxi really hope it is not actually dpkg bug, but something/somewhere else that tries to parse status file. Because trivial precise debootstrap + upgrade did not reproduce this issue.09:07
caribouxnox: I'm looking at precise's code to get a hang of dpkg's workflow09:08
xnoxthe installation appears to be fairly bog standard: ubuntu-standard/minima/desktop09:09
xnoxcaribou, first step can you reproduce the issue reliably? E.g. bootstrap/install from .0 iso, or just release archive. Install ubuntu-desktop. Upgrade to latest dpkg, then upgrade the world, then spot broken status file.09:10
xnoxif yes, buggy dpkg / libdpkg-perl or some such, otherwise something somewhere else.09:10
caribouxnox: that'd be the easy way out ;-) it happens in an environment where Landscape Dedicated Service is in use09:11
xnoxcaribou, wait a minute - does landscape-* stuff parses and/or writes and/or touches internal dpkg status file at all?09:11
caribouxnox: so the archive is not our public archive but an LDS provided one built with reprepro09:11
xnoxis there a way to tell from the status files of any custom packages at all?09:12
caribouxnox: I wouldn't think so; the broken status file is at the receiving end (i.e. the client)09:12
caribouxnox: let me check on a few broken package09:12
xnoxsomehow i would have thought the problem would be spotted / be more widespread than just one deployment if it was dpkg.09:12
xnoxhowever ubuntu-minimal description is borked.09:14
caribouxnox: I see 650 of them, all standard Ubuntu packages09:17
caribouxnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23077770/09:18
caribouxnox: FYI, the list I pasted is wrong, there are less corrupted packages than listed09:49
xnoxcaribou, i pasted a diff with a lot of context to the bug report.09:50
xnoxit seems to show a few, and i guess we only need one package to be corrupted. E.g. "ubuntu-minimal" is corrupted.09:50
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flexiondotorgI removed mate-hud from the ubuntu-mate-core seeds and meta package last week. It needs more time to bake.12:37
flexiondotorgBut it is still being seeded via germinate and is present in todays daily-live ISO.12:39
flexiondotorgHave I overlooked something to ensure a package is no longer seeded in the Ubuntu MATE 16.10 images?12:39
sitterpopey: anyone from snappy coming to akademy/qtcon and possibly staying for discussions (Sept 5-8)? should we register a time slot?12:44
popeysitter: i don't think there's snappy specific devs at qtcon/akademy. I think we do have *some* people going. Will find out who.12:47
cjwatsonflexiondotorg: Bodged for now, but the problem is apparently that somebody deleted lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.vivid and that broke the update-seeds cron job.  Will need to investigate ...12:55
cjwatson(I might just push my latest version back up.  Old seed branches aren't supposed to be deleted.)12:56
flexiondotorgcjwatson, Thanks for the feedback.12:56
sitterpopey: I also got asked by a colleague who's working on plasma mobile whether someone from the touch team might be at qtcon :)13:04
Odd_BlokeI'm comparing the initramfs of a cloud instance and of my laptop (both on the same xenial kernel); per lsinitramfs my laptop's contains fsck whereas the cloud instance does not.  I can't work out where this difference is coming from, having examined /{etc,usr/share}/initramfs-tools.  Where should I be looking to find it?13:25
pittiOdd_Bloke: presumably because cloud instances disable fscking in fstab?13:26
pittiOdd_Bloke: see /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck13:27
pittis/?// (I know that cloud-init disable fscking partitions, and rightly so)13:28
pitticloud instances, I mean (not sure if it's actually cloud-init)13:28
Odd_BlokeAha, right.13:28
Odd_BlokeOK, that makes sense.13:29
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cjwatsonflexiondotorg: aha, I found https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/ubuntu-gnome.vivid.  No idea how it got there (I have an IP address for the change but that doesn't tell me a whole lot).  Moved back to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.vivid where it belongs.13:51
flexiondotorgThanks for that.13:57
jbichacjwatson: I clicked the archive button for eol stuff at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ but I didn't otherwise move branches15:00
jbichasorry, not archive, I changed the branch status to "abandoned"15:00
cjwatsonjbicha: Yeah, Abandoned is fine, but somebody also changed the branch target to "Personal".  I changed it back15:01
jbichahmm, now that I think about it, that IP address might be familiar then but I don't remember what I might have clicked :(15:02
slangasekjamespage: ok, thanks :)15:24
jamespageslangasek, np - need to teach coreycb how todo that :-)15:25
jamespagebut he's not around today15:25
jamespageddellav, hey - I 'seeded' aodh and barbican packages - I'll grab you this week to explain how and what that means...15:25
xnox"C++11 requires a space between literal and string macro" c++ FTBFS of the day.15:29
ddellavjamespage ok, sounds good15:50
seb128Laney, pitti, do we have a tag for systemd user session bugs?16:24
Laneynot that I know16:26
seb128hum, k16:27
seb128Laney, bug #1615726 just for info then16:27
ubottubug 1615726 in gnupg2 (Ubuntu) "gpg-agent.service "Invalid escape sequences in line" warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161572616:27
Laneyfeel free to invent one16:27
seb128Laney, pitti, I tagged it systemd-user-session16:30
Laneyseb128: close: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=systemd-session16:34
seb128oh, urg, renaming it!16:34
seb128Laney, thanks16:35
seb128pitti, bug #1484027 seems to still be there/be back on xenial and yakkety, should I reopen that one or open a new bug?16:39
ubottubug 1484027 in rsyslog (Ubuntu) "systemd-tmpfiles-clean warns about duplicate /var/log line" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148402716:39
seb128k, enough for today, have a nice evening everyone!16:58
pittiseb128: right, I used that to correspond to our earlier systemd-boot tag17:29
pittiseb128: ah, and now I got the notification -- I'm subscribed to the tag17:34
pittiseb128: bonne soirée !17:34
pittipour moi aussi17:34
jbichacjwatson: I can confirm that germinate is working again for Ubuntu GNOME/yakkety17:45
aladdinsorry to bother you18:14
aladdin it is possible to install unity8 currently with Yakkety  daily from today ?18:15
aladdin I got this error http://www.hastebin.com/jatizuraka.vhdl18:15
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cjwatsonjbicha: good good, thanks20:24
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