[04:00] <mate|29719> Hey! I was trying to figure out how to get the weather applet to work under the clock applet in the taskbar in Ubuntu MATE 32Bit to pick up my location? I have right clicked and manually added my city into the applet, but the weather is not showing up. Does anyone know how to get this edited for my local conditions? Thanks
[08:29] <raspberry> hi I've been trying to run my program at the boot with crontab, but I have en error connected with display, when I add delay to the proccess of startup then there is none error, but nothing happens, do you know what could be the problem?
[08:33] <Ziggurat> I am interested in having a browser, preferably Chromium with hardware accelerated h264 and vp8 in Ubuntu for Raspberry Pi3
[08:36] <raspberry> hi I've been trying to run my program at the boot with crontab, but I have en error connected with display, when I add delay to the proccess of startup then there is none error, but nothing happens, do you know what could be the problem?
[09:31] <alkisg> Ziggurat: does chromium support that in any raspberry distro, e.g. raspbian?
[09:36] <Ziggurat> alkisg: to my impression I could get it on rasbian from Ubuntu repos and it would have h264, but I don't know about v8
[09:38] <alkisg> Ziggurat: do you have some link that explains how someone got chromium with h264 working in a raspberry pi?
[09:40] <alkisg> To my experience, it's hard to get apps to support hardware acceleration for arbitrary boards, that's why I prefer x86 based hardware instead, which is much faster and is supported out of the box by all apps... e.g. http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_367432.html ==> only 65 euros, 10 times faster than an rpi3 etc
[10:04] <Ziggurat> alkisg: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=121195&start=25
[10:04] <Ziggurat> alkisg: Sorry I was taking a bit to answer, I am at work :)
[10:04] <alkisg> Ziggurat: I see nothing about h264 there
[10:05] <Ziggurat> alkisg: Yes I have a baytrail device, the wifi i so slow that its unusable. I have a cherry trail handheld on order, but it hasn't started shipping yet :P
[10:06] <alkisg> Ziggurat: is it also slow if you move it near the router, so that the signal is stronger?
[10:12] <Ziggurat> alkisg: Its not my routuer. I have a stable 6MB/s connection when downloading from usenet :) Yeah thats Byte not bit, and over wifi
[10:13] <Ziggurat> alkisg: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121195
[10:13] <Ziggurat> I followed this guide, but I really have to go take my lunch now before the cantina closes, ill be back in 30 minutes.
[10:14] <alkisg> I don't see anything about h264 there either
[10:15] <alkisg> Also, I don't believe that the wifi performance is related to the cpu
[10:38] <Ziggurat> alkisg: Hi back from lunch. WiFi pref on baytrail is related, because most baytrail devices use the same Wifi chip. I have a few of them. The chip is not on the SOC, but its still horrible.
[10:39] <Ziggurat> Also Linux plus baytrail is a nightmare
[10:39] <Ziggurat> Hope its better on cherry trail
[10:40] <Ziggurat> I will look into rendering flags in the settings when I get home http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/enable-hardware-acceleration-in-chrome.html
[10:40] <Ziggurat> But I dont think this is for h264 and vp8
[10:42] <Ziggurat> Also I did not yet install Chrome inside Ubuntu, I just set up i3 yet. But I tried a few things in raspbian before I flashed ubuntu to my SD card.
[11:42] <rangergord> ouroumov: hi, you ther?
[12:58] <ouroumov> rangergord, hi
[13:16] <rangergord> ouroumov: I see our bug was categorized with Virtualbox. Do you by any chance have the hardware to try it natively? Personally I doubt it's a VBox bug. If it's a regular Ubuntu bug, that woud make it a lot more severe. But the only computer I have access to is a laptop on which I cannot do a modification as serious as disabling UEFI/trying to install a native alternativeOS.
[13:17] <rangergord> I won't be going home for a couple of weeks
[13:19] <ouroumov> rangergord, I'm pretty sure this is a virtual box bug
[13:19] <ouroumov> rangergord, I've installed the iso on metal many times, with no issues
[13:20] <ouroumov> What I don't understand is why it was working fine with the 16.04 iso as per rahtgaz
[13:20] <rangergord> ouroumov: you've installed it on metal without swap many times?
[13:20] <ouroumov> Oh
[13:20] <ouroumov> Right
[13:20] <rangergord> remember, it works fine with a default partition scheme
[13:21] <ouroumov> rangergord, hmm, I don't have a spare x86_64 machine at hand, but I should be able to try it when I get home tonight
[13:21] <rangergord> thanks!
[13:22] <rangergord> Ubuntu used to have an option to install itself in a single file in c:/Program Files/Ubuntu/SomeBigDisk.dat, without affeting the original OS, didn't it?
[13:22] <rangergord> I did it like that the 1st time I installed Linux, ages ago
[13:22] <rahtgaz> I've installed the 16.04 once without a swap partition without problems. the plan was to add a swap file later. I'm convinced it's not actually a problem wit VBox. It was probably a mistake of the maintainers to categorize it so fast.
[13:22] <rahtgaz> It's more likely a regression in 16.04.01
[13:23] <rangergord> that's what I think too. Which would make it a lot more severe than a mere VBox bug.
[13:23] <rahtgaz> however between the three of us we were using different VBox versions... so, I don't know
[13:25] <ouroumov> You guys think this would affect he 32bit iso too?
[13:25] <ouroumov> Cause I have an old 32 bit laptop handy
[13:25] <bittin> Linuxcon has started: http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/sGxezkWB-oygsdW3u
[13:25] <ouroumov> That I don't mind stressing seeing it's not mine x)
[13:26] <ouroumov> bittin, error loading player: no Playable source found
[13:26] <bittin> ouroumov: yeah did not work in Firefox here had to open it in Microsoft Edge :( and yeah i know i use the wrong OS on my work computer
[13:26] <bittin> seems to work better in Webkit based browsers
[13:27] <ouroumov> bittin, that's kind of ironic
[13:27] <bittin> haha yeah :(
[13:27] <ouroumov> You know, the linux con feed, can't play it unless you're Microsoft's bitch.
[13:28] <bittin> haha yeah ironic as crap
[13:29] <rahtgaz> I'm not sure, ouroumov. The problem had to do with a missconfigured Xauthority, right?
[13:29] <rangergord> rahtgaz: no, unrelated
[13:30] <rangergord> rahtgaz: that happened cause I ran "sudo startx" from the terminal
[13:30] <rahtgaz> oh right
[13:30] <rangergord> if you don't do it, Xauthority is never created in ~
[13:34] <rahtgaz> I honestly can't understand Martin's comment. At least he didn't close it
[13:36] <rahtgaz> I find it always funny that users are asked to be clear and test throughly while maintainers can post laconic replies, seemingly without having even tested once
[13:38] <rangergord> i don't see a comment. where is it? The only thing I see is he transferred it from Ubuntu MATE to Ubuntu
[13:39] <rahtgaz> It's the last comment on that bug report
[13:39] <ouroumov> I'm burning a 32 bit key
[13:39] <rangergord> this is what I'm referring to. 5 hours ago, right? Martin Wimpress has the comment "no longer affects: 	ubuntu-mate "
[13:40] <rahtgaz> yes. I don't understand what he means. Did it affect Ubuntu-MATE before? when? but clearly it is affecting Ubuntu-MATE now because at least two people report it
[13:41] <rahtgaz> unless ...
[13:41] <ali1234> bug number?
[13:41] <rahtgaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1615363
[13:42] <rangergord> without reproduction outside of Vbox, they're going to consider this a VBox issue, and this will remain a minor bug no one will fix
[13:42] <rangergord> (understandably)
[13:42] <ali1234> 2GB and no swap?
[13:42] <ouroumov> yes
[13:42] <rangergord> ali1234: yeah
[13:42] <ali1234> seems optimistic
[13:43] <rangergord> tbh I don't know what to think myself. I would have assumed there's automated tests that make sure the new images can be installed with all partition configurations.
[13:43] <rahtgaz> yes, but currently the only version we are sure does not reproduce outside vbox is 16.04. No one tested it qith 16.04.1
[13:43] <ali1234> can you get a dmesg from after the crash?
[13:43] <rangergord> ali1234: I would have increased it to 4GB after I built it
[13:43] <ali1234> this likely affects every version of ubuntu hence why he removed ubuntu mate tag
[13:43] <rangergord> aah, so it still has the  Ubuntu tag? It's not just a Virtualbox tag?
[13:44] <ali1234> it is all ubuntu
[13:44] <rahtgaz> but "no longer affects"?
[13:44] <rangergord> ali1234: deleted the VM cause I'm low on space. I could do it again, but ouroumov is gonna try it on metal tonight, so that would kill 2 birds with one stone
[13:44] <rangergord> it only takes me 15 mins to reproduce it though
[13:44] <rangergord> if you insist
[13:44] <ali1234> yeah unless metal doesnt crash
[13:45] <ouroumov> I'm gonna try on metal right now with the i386 version
[13:45]  * DarkPsydeLord HELLO
[13:45] <ali1234> 2GB is probably not enough RAM to run ubuntu
[13:45] <ouroumov> hello DarkPsydeLord
[13:45] <rahtgaz> 2gb is fine. I ran it with 1.7
[13:45] <ali1234> without swap?
[13:45] <rahtgaz> yup
[13:45] <ali1234> when?
[13:45] <rangergord> ali1234: that's not the cause of this issue. Cause I found a workaround for the corrupted graphics (manual startx). So RAM is not the reason
[13:45] <rahtgaz> when I was trying to reproduce only, of course.
[13:46] <ali1234> wait which one of you actually reported this?
[13:46] <rahtgaz> rangergord:
[13:46] <ouroumov> And I reproduced
[13:46] <rahtgaz> ouroumov was able to reproduce and I wasn't on a different iso
[13:47] <ali1234> have you tried for example xubuntu?
[13:47] <ouroumov> nope
[13:47] <rahtgaz> we are only interested on MATE here :)
[13:47] <rangergord> ali1234: to  quote rahtgaz, we dont have a decent internet connection between the 3 of us :)
[13:47] <ali1234> okay i will try xubuntu
[13:47] <rangergord> we're all on crappy cellular links
[13:47] <rangergord> ali1234: why not try pure Ubuntu instead? That's the big fish
[13:48] <rangergord> (assuming you're on broadband)
[13:48] <ali1234> because ubuntu doesn't work properly in virtualbox at all
[13:48] <ali1234> due to unity requiring hardware acceleration
[13:48] <rangergord> oh right...i remember now, trying it a couple of months ago
[13:48]  * rahtgaz shakes fist at canonical
[13:48] <rahtgaz> well done
[13:49] <rangergord> ali1234: but to reprouce it we just need to get to a working login screen after boot, it doesnt matter if its slow
[13:49] <rahtgaz> that
[13:49] <rangergord> ie, if you see the Ubuntu login screen, you haven't run into the bug
[13:49] <rahtgaz> yeah. that's why RAM doesn't matter here
[13:49] <ali1234> which ISOs have you tested and which ones reproduced it?
[13:50] <rahtgaz> 16.04.1 reproduces ir. 16.04 doesn't
[13:50] <ali1234> hmm okay
[13:50] <ali1234> so that suggests a problem with the enablement stack
[13:50] <rahtgaz> it would be great though if you did both to confirm
[13:50] <ali1234> i dont think xubuntu has a 16.04.1 ISO
[13:50] <ali1234> i'll try regular ubuntu
[13:51] <rangergord> regular ubuntu would definitely draw the most attention to the bug, if it's affected
[13:51] <ali1234> hang on let me check what isos i have
[13:51] <rahtgaz> afk
[13:51] <oleh> hi, everyone)
[13:51] <ouroumov> hi oleh
[13:53] <ali1234> what happens if you use 4GB by the way?
[13:54] <ouroumov> We haven't tried
[13:54] <rangergord> ali1234: dont have enough RAM to try, but I would be very surprised if it behaved any differently
[13:54] <rangergord> the installer needs like 1GB at most
[13:54] <ali1234> okay what about 16.04.1 + 2GB + swap?
[13:54] <rangergord> ali1234: if I do that, then it works
[13:54] <ali1234> hmm
[13:54] <rangergord> if RAM was the reason, the installer would crash/fail, like any other app
[13:55] <rahtgaz> ali1234: the problem is entirely on the presence or absence of swap
[13:55] <ali1234> hmm i don't have any ISO to test this with
[13:56] <ali1234> download ETA 2 hours
[13:56] <rangergord> haha, another person with bad internet
[13:56] <rahtgaz> hehe
[13:56] <ali1234> nah, the torrent is just slow
[13:56] <ouroumov> lol rangergord
[13:57] <ouroumov> I'm at my workplace so I have a decent connection today.
[13:57] <ouroumov> 45MB/s download speed
[13:57] <rahtgaz> ah!
[13:57] <rangergord> nice
[13:57] <rangergord> ouroumov: what do you do?
[13:57] <rahtgaz> I have a bigger number but a smaller acronym
[13:57] <rahtgaz> 300KB/s
[13:57] <DarkPsydeLord> woa 45mb?
[13:58] <DarkPsydeLord> i have 200 kb/s:(
[13:58] <ouroumov> I'm in a CS laboratory, I just came today cause the authentication server for our compute cluster was on the fritz and I'm the only one reasonably close that also know how to bring it back up.
[13:58] <rahtgaz> ouch
[13:59] <rangergord> cool...good luck
[13:59] <ouroumov> I've already brought it back up
[13:59] <rangergord> I know what it's like to be the defacto IT guy
[14:00] <ouroumov> Worse is, we actually have a dedicated sysadmin since last year
[14:00] <rangergord> at least I finally got my relatives to stop giving my number to their friends
[14:00] <ouroumov> He should really change that server
[14:00] <ouroumov> Shit is running Ubuntu Server 8.04
[14:00] <rangergord> couldn't he have remoted in?
[14:00] <ouroumov> Server was down, not responding to ping
[14:00] <rangergord> ah
[14:01] <ouroumov> had to walk into the server room, pull the server from the rack, unplug the battery on the RAID card, then put it all back in
[14:01] <ouroumov> fun stuff
[14:01] <rangergord> this is why sysadmins are going towards virtualization.
[14:01] <rahtgaz> so sysadmin too tired to go fix it and calls you in
[14:01] <rangergord> what was the problem?
[14:01] <ouroumov> sysadmin is currently in Texas x)
[14:02] <rahtgaz> sysadmins belong with their servers. travelling is for other professions :p
[14:03] <ouroumov> I'm not sure what's causing the problem but it's the second time this month the server went down and the only way to bring it back up is to reset the RAID card by pulling the battery
[14:03] <rangergord> idk about that. if you're a good sysadmin, nothing should ever go wrong. and if it does, you can easily pull up a redundant system
[14:04] <ouroumov> I'm rebooting the i386 now, we'll know shortly
[14:04] <rangergord> not saying your guy is a bad sysadmin, just saying IN THEORY, you can have systems in place to detect failure. notify you, and bringing up redundancy
[14:05] <rangergord> it would be my ideal job, I think. Just keeping a system automatically monitored, maybe even automatically maintained
[14:05] <rahtgaz> automated redundancy is *expensive*
[14:05] <ouroumov> Okay guys, I wasn't able to reproduce using the i386 iso on metal.
[14:05] <rangergord> rahtgaz: how so? if you're using a FOSS stack like KVM
[14:05] <rangergord> all it takes is the time to automate it
[14:05] <rangergord> ouroumov: 16.04.1 or 16.04?
[14:05] <ouroumov> 16.04.1
[14:06] <rangergord> sapristi
[14:06] <rahtgaz> rangergord: you can't count on software alone. you have to also implement hardware controlled rendundancy systems. For instance, what if the CPU burns?
[14:06] <ouroumov> rangergord, ubuntu-mate-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[14:06] <rangergord> rahtgaz: that's why I said 2 servers. Something goes wrong on the 1st, that's what the 2nd one is for.
[14:09] <rahtgaz> rangergord: what I mean is that you generally have a decentralized server architecture. One server for this, one server for that, etc. So, you have to at least duplicate each server on hardware. So, a decentralized web+db is already 4 machines. and this can go on on certain types of businesses
[14:10] <rangergord> rahtgaz: 1 physical server running a virtualization hypervisor, can run each of those servers in a VM. The 2nd physical server acts as redundancy for the 1st.
[14:11] <rahtgaz> I agree VMs came to help. But frankly, from what i've seen, the costs of those xeon servers capable of handling this type of architecture makes one of them more expensive than two normal servers
[14:12] <ouroumov> Okay I'm done here, I'm going home and when I get there I'll try and reproduce using the 64 bit iso on metal.
[14:12] <rangergord> that could be true, i dont actually know the costs of servers. I think i've only ever installed VMWare ESXi on an old workstation.
[14:12] <rangergord> ouroumov: cheers, thanks
[14:12] <ouroumov> see you later
[14:13] <rahtgaz> I'm not an expert, mind you. But I'm very skeptical of the claims of low cost redundancy. I have yet to see anyone implementng it
[14:13] <rahtgaz> safe return
[14:14] <rahtgaz> i mean, I have yet to see anyone implementing it and not complain about how much it cost them
[14:18] <rangergord> could be
[14:25] <rangergord> gotta go, be online later
[15:11] <mate|53207> hi
[15:23] <DarkPsydeLord> hi
[15:27] <Na3iL> o/
[15:36] <davide> hello people
[15:56] <rangergord> evening
[16:23] <uncle_> some can give me tips how to increase performance on ubuntu mate?Please!
[16:23] <netvixtra> what application?
[16:24] <uncle_> whatever it is
[16:24] <uncle_> just something that will help me to improved
[16:25] <ouroumov_> uncle_, the system is not running fast enough for you?
[16:26] <uncle_> sometimes
[16:26] <uncle_> probably bcuz of my hardware idk
[16:27] <uncle_> i use dell latitude e4300 4gb ram intel core duo 2.4 Ghz
[16:29] <uncle_> but now it is run more smoothly when i change swappines
[16:45] <rangergord> ouroumov: how did it go?
[16:46] <ouroumov_> rangergord, haven't started yet, I have a backup to do
[16:48] <rangergord> ok dont stress it, even if you dont have time to do it, it's no big deal
[16:51] <ouroumov_> I have time, and it'll be nice to know the role of VirtualBox in the story.
[17:04] <ouroumov_> Damn I had a ton of stuff on that machine
[17:08] <rangergord> ???
[17:10] <ouroumov_> rangergord, I'm Backing up. It's taking a while for the cp -rv to complete.
[17:17] <mate|95431> Anyone have a problem with the software updater not working?
[17:18] <ouroumov_> nah
[17:18] <ouroumov_> mate|95431, you have an error message?
[17:19] <mate|95431> No, when I restart my comp, the software updater is on my panel but when I click it nothing happens. When I try to open software updater, nothing happens.
[17:20] <ouroumov_> Interestingly there's a "Software and Updates" update in the software updater. I'm installing now to see if it will break things.
[17:20] <mate|95431> I just tried to open it now. And nothing.
[17:20] <mate|95431> Wont even open through Synapse
[17:22] <tripout> maybe via terminal?
[17:22] <ouroumov_> mate|95431, what do you get when you type "update-manager" in a terminal?
[17:26] <mate|95431> Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_import tpo ensure that the right version gets loadrd
[17:26] <mate|95431> loaded**
[17:27] <mate|95431> I moved away from my friend that got me into Ubuntu and he isnt answering the phone. My whole system feels slower, but I am atttributing that to not being able to update anything.
[17:27] <mate|95431> I don't know what happened, did you get my last message.
 loaded**
[17:28] <ouroumov_> mate|95431, you have the software boutique handy?
[17:29] <ouroumov_> mate|95431, there's a "Fixes" section (last icon on the right)
 mate|95431, you have the software boutique handy?
 mate|95431, there's a "Fixes" section (last icon on the right)
[17:31] <mate|95431> im there
[17:31] <mate|95431> update source list?
[17:31] <ouroumov_> Run all fixes
[17:33] <mate|95431> Said failed to download repository information. Told me to check internet connection. But that is obviously fine lol
[17:33] <ouroumov_> ok
[17:33] <mate|95431> W:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/synapse-core/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., W:http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/R
[17:33] <mate|95431> elease.gpg: Signature by key 8F0845FE77B16294429A79346BCA5E4DB84288D9 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1), E:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/synapse-core/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found, E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[17:33] <ouroumov_> hm
[17:35] <ouroumov_> Can you drop to a terminal and run: sudo apt update
[17:35] <ouroumov_> Then run: sudo apt upgrade
[17:37] <mate|95431> apt-get update gave me more synapse core errors, running upgrade now
[17:44] <ouroumov_> rangergord, my backup is done, I'm gonna proceed to install now
[17:45] <mate|95431> Ok, firefox is asking to restart to install updates. I will do this, restart computer and report back.
[17:52] <ouroumov_> rangergord, rebooting post install
[17:53] <rangergord> nice
[17:53] <rangergord> that was quick! you got an SSD?
[17:53] <ouroumov_> Yes
[17:53] <ouroumov_> rangergord, could not reproduce using 16.04.1 amd64 iso on metal.
[17:54] <rangergord> that's interesting. out of curiosity, how much RAM you got?
[17:54] <ouroumov_> 8GB
[17:54] <rangergord> so it is a VBox issue...
[17:54] <ouroumov_> I think so yes.
[17:54] <rangergord> I want to try it again in a VM, and this time use 6GB RAM
[17:54] <rangergord> just in case at some unknown point during install, it tried to get more
[17:55] <rangergord> and instead of crashing, it tried to keep on going
[17:55] <ouroumov_> rangergord, can you also check in BIOS you have virtualisation stuff enabled? I'm gonna reboot this machine now and do the same cause I'm not sure I haven't disabled it.
[17:55] <ouroumov_> brb
[17:55] <rangergord> I do
[17:55] <rangergord> first thing I enable on a computer
[17:57] <ouroumov_> OK I had it enabled too.
[18:00] <rangergord> well, guess it was a false alarm then
[18:01] <rangergord> tbh i did not expect this
[18:01] <rangergord> why would VBox care about stuff like that? it gives the guest OS RAM and a disk to do whatever it wants with it
[18:02] <rangergord> maybe the installer does some clever check somewhere that gives different results on VMs
[18:02] <ouroumov_> I don't know, but remember what ali1234 said a while earlier? That it could be related to the hardware enablement stack?
[18:04] <ouroumov_> Anyway, looks like flexiondotorg was right to shift this towards VirtualBox
[18:06] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna redo the install on my 64Bit machine now, to get a decent partition layout
[18:47] <nixer> Hello. Ubuntu-Mate on 32GB sd-card, is it possible? What should I consider?
[18:47] <ouroumov_> hi nixer
[18:47] <ouroumov_> nixer, sure is possible, minimum disk requirement is 9GB
[19:07] <nixer> Sorry, had to answer the phone. I think sd-cards wear out quicly if used as regular drives. Cannot find anything about Ubuntu-Mate install on sd-cards. So I thought I would ask here and see if anyone knew something about it.
[19:08] <alkisg> nixer: raspberry pis run out of sd-cards, so it's definately doable
[19:08] <alkisg> I've been working on a pi for 1 year now, with the same card
[19:08] <alkisg> It's going to wear out some time, but it hasn't done so yet
[19:12] <nixer> I thought instead of a bulky usb-stick, it would be nice to have as a seconday boot option in the laptop. RPi OS may have some special stuff as it was meant to be used on sd-card only, I guess?
[19:13] <alkisg> Not really, only a few settings differ, nothing very significant
[19:15] <nixer> alkisg:  So I should just try the install, you say? And report my findings possibly ...
[19:18] <alkisg> nixer: yup
[19:19] <alkisg> nixer: there are also some usb 3 sticks that support up to 100 mb/sec read/write, if you'll be working with that a lot, maybe you could use a stick instead of an sdcard
[19:22] <nixer> alkisg: Yeah I could, I have 2 that reads almos 200MB/s, but they are in the way whan carrying the laptop and I fear broken stick and broken connectors in the laptop. The sd-card sits nicely protected, nothing sticking out.
[19:23] <alkisg> And of course you can install many ubuntu versions in the same hard disk...
[19:24] <alkisg> http://www.everythingusb.com/mini-drives.html
[19:24] <nixer> alkisg: Sure, I know, but the disk has some other operating system that's also needed for work
[19:25] <alkisg> E.g. you can have windows, mate, mate, ubuntu, fedora and debian
[19:26] <nixer> alkisg: I didn't know they could be so small and still fast ...
[19:27] <nixer> alkisg: OK, fast read speed at least
[19:28] <alkisg> 30 mb/sec is still a nice write speed for usb sticks (and too much for simple sd cards...)
[19:35] <nixer> alkisg: I have the Samsung Pro SDHC here: http://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/best-microsd-memory-card-review-roundup-2015-update/22978/2/
[19:37] <alkisg> nixer: is that true? does hdparm -t /dev/sdb give you something like 80 to 90 mb/sec?! That's impressive for an sd-card...
[19:39] <nixer> I can try that later. The card is new, bought for this purpose. I have a sd-usb3 adapter so I can even crosscheck usb-sd-slot
[19:40] <alkisg> That'd be useful as well; to compare the speeds of sd vs sd over usb
[19:45] <nixer> alkisg: I just put in in my little nuc-server, un the usb3-adapter: Timing buffered disk reads: 154 MB in  3.03 seconds =  50.89 MB/sec
[19:48] <nixer> alkisg: It is not an expensive card, Danish kroner to USD it would be 13,5USD. But we have much more tax, so about 10USD I would guess
[19:52] <alkisg> Very nice
[19:58] <nixer> Laptop is busy doing "soft lockups", so I can't use it right now
[19:59] <r3pt1l3> It's sad.. UbuntuMATE would be a great distro..
[20:00] <r3pt1l3> back to debian I guess
[20:00] <alkisg> r3pt1l3: how so?
[20:00] <alkisg> Do you mean that you have an unsolved issue?
[20:00] <alkisg> that you expect it to be solved in debian?
[20:02] <r3pt1l3> Not really. It just seems like a dead-end
[20:02] <alkisg> I've no idea what you're talking about
[20:03] <alkisg> Do you mean that it's not developed anymore? Would a git commit list help you there?
[20:04] <r3pt1l3> You kinda read my mind
[20:04] <r3pt1l3> ellinas ?
[20:04] <alkisg> Yup
[20:04] <r3pt1l3> Nice !
[20:05] <alkisg> Debian is fine too, and does have mate
[20:05] <r3pt1l3> https://wiki.debian.org/Mate
[20:05] <r3pt1l3> :D
[20:08] <nixer> I was also considering Debian, but 10-15 years ago at least, it was an uphill battle. Ubuntu on the server for years and now it's time to try another desktop os than Windows
[20:10] <r3pt1l3> I'm testing out distros in VMs to replace Windows. I've been using centOS on my servers although I'm considering ubuntu
[20:10] <r3pt1l3> distros for desktop
[20:12] <alkisg> Both debian and ubuntu are fine. Debian is a bit less polished for the desktop.
[21:33] <ubuntu-mate> hi anyone russian there?
[21:34] <alkisg> !ru
[21:34] <ubuntu-mate> thank you
[21:34] <alkisg> You're welcome
[22:56] <ali1234> ouroumov i reproduced the vbox bug with ubuntu 16.04.1
[22:56] <ali1234> easy workaround: press right ctrl f1, right ctrl f7
[22:56] <ali1234> almost certainly a virtualbox problem
[23:17] <ali1234> ha! it's a race condition