[04:41] <mapps> morning#
[04:41] <daftykins> \o
[04:44] <mapps> watching new ep of power, the shows so good:D
[05:09] <daftykins> ;)
[06:18] <knightwise> Aloga
[07:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:54] <dwatkins> good morning world!
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all you cyberwarriors
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins and davmor2
[08:13] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> Welcome to Monday, it's all downhill from here
[08:26] <dwatkins> feels like uphill for me so far
[08:42] <popey> There's a BBC TV crew in our steet, filming the neighbours who have a dog - a thing called "Me and my pet"
[08:43] <popey> they have a lot of equipment!
[08:43] <dwatkins> Reality TV at its best, no doubt.
[08:43] <popey> educational telly for cbeebies I think :)
[08:44] <bashrc> The equipment is probably for effect. I expect you actually don't need much equipment now to make broadcast quality video.
[08:45] <dwatkins> When I did my ice bucket challenge, it was filmed on four phones (!)
[08:45] <bashrc> :)
[08:59] <davmor2> popey: tell them you have small tigers but no dog
[09:02] <foobarry> "My pet and me"
[09:03] <foobarry> probably applies to 70% of the country, I guess people will watch it because they feel it applies to them even though its basically a boring programme about a guys dog. could probably get the same from a guy in the pub
[09:04] <popey> Well, it's a bit interesting.
[09:04] <popey> He's a British Transport Police officer, and the dog is a bomb/drug-sniffer trained dog :)
[09:05] <bittin> meow
[09:06] <bittin> a british girl was hitting me in the face yesterday, becouse i was too tired to be really social and started coding intead
[09:06] <bittin> :P
[09:06] <bittin> is that how you do in the UK?
[09:07] <popey> Seems reasonable ㋛
[09:08] <foobarry> bittin: my daughter does that all the time, but she is 3
[09:08] <bittin> foobarry: :P
[09:08] <bittin> this one was like 27
[09:08] <foobarry> she likes you
[09:08] <bittin> foobarry: haha don't think so
[09:09] <bittin> i don't atleast
[09:09] <foobarry> thats the schoolage rule anyway. i hope teenagers grow out of that
[09:09] <foobarry> "i like you so much i'm going to pretend i hate you"
[09:09] <bittin> o:
[09:09] <bittin> yeah who knows then
[09:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Be An Angel Day! 😃 👼
[09:17] <bittin> o:
[09:18] <JamesTait> 😇
[09:20] <BigRedS> Be An Angel Day? You're getting desperate...
[09:20]  * christel chortles
[09:39] <JamesTait> BigRedS, they're all a bit rubbish today, tbh.
[09:40] <BigRedS> Haha, hadn't occurred to me there'd be a choice
[09:40] <BigRedS> surely no more than 365 things need days dedicated to them?
[09:40] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/GJj5n ubuntu on mr robot se2e05
[09:41] <bittin> foobarry: a bunch in Season 3 aswell
[09:41] <foobarry> there's a season 3?
[09:43] <bittin> yeah its ongoing atm
[09:43] <bittin> 7 episodes so far
[09:43] <foobarry> he's installing nano. o hdear
[09:43] <Seeker`> S2 is ongoing atm
[09:43] <bittin> ah sorry i am tired and confusing :(
[09:43] <bittin> confused it with Halt and Catch Fire
[09:44] <bittin> sleept 2 hours yesterday as i am not feeling well
[09:44] <bittin> oh well
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwAMFcc2f8 gotcha covered
[10:40] <Myrtti> morning
[10:43] <zmoylan-1i> i have installed nano on some systems that it hasn't come installed on... my android tablet most recently
[11:01] <davmor2> zmoylan-1i: why would you not install vim instead? ;)
[11:02] <zmoylan-1i> i tried vim on tablets but lack of real keyboard presents itself quicker than using nano
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> what is needed is a keyboard with a standard mounting dock/connector to attach tablet so that it become mini laptop/netbook
[11:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Smartphone/dp/B00NB2NZ92/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1471864408&sr=8-3&keywords=logitech+bluetooth+keyboard
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> i have seen bt keyboards with some attempts to hold the tablet but as there is no standard size, thickness or special connector they more balance the tablet precariously than hold it
[11:18] <TwistedLucidity> And that's why the OEMs with fixed form factors (e.g. Apple) can win
[11:18] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that one is pretty good to be honest though any keyboard and one of these is probably easier http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/391180564442?lpid=122&chn=ps&googleloc=1007249&poi=&campaignid=620865095&device=c&adgroupid=27378760866&rlsatarget=pla-181484341026&adtype=pla&crdt=0
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> i think we've reached a standard with laptops with keyboard on lap/desk and screen just above it.  until a new standard paradigm like a google glass screen that you wear comes along the manufacturers should try and aim towards what we know works...
[12:23] <foobarry> taking the plunge for cm13 on my phone
[12:24] <foobarry> cm12.1 is rebooting when i t
[12:24] <foobarry> ravel between wifi/3g
[12:24] <foobarry> i always end up destroying my phone
[12:24] <foobarry> when i go near it
[12:25] <popey> I'm running cm13 nightly on my OPX
[12:25] <popey> updated it this morning, see a few interesting changes
[12:26] <foobarry> what did you notice?
[12:26] <foobarry> i've got a 20 aug snapshot
[12:30] <foobarry> there remain a few vulnerabilities in cm13 unpatched
[12:33] <foobarry> hmm settings-> battery "unfortunately settings has stopped"
[12:33] <foobarry> first crash within 60s of using it
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> wow, it's quicker at everything... :-)
[12:35] <brobostigon> on my nexus 4, i havent had any issues that i can think of with recent cm13 nightlies.
[12:37] <foobarry> first thing i notice is something about asking for premissions when the app uses them
[12:37] <foobarry> upon app install
[12:39] <popey> yeah
[12:39] <popey> that and I noticed when it's "optimising" on boot, it actually names each app with the icon
[12:39] <popey> rather than just a count of 1/153
[12:46] <foobarry> yeah
[12:46] <foobarry> man amazon prime video is weird soetimes
[12:47] <foobarry> sometimes the quality sucks badly, and plugging my tablet to tv gives terrible quality always, although iplayer is fine etc
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> you probably need the prime extra pixels package... :-)
[12:48] <foobarry> hmmm can't update an app now.
[12:48] <foobarry> getting nervous about this vm13
[12:48] <foobarry> error 924
[12:55] <Dave> oh damn, I forgot to look into my OPX's weirdness again.
[12:55] <Dave> I keep meaning to do it every weekend and then forgetting
[13:07]  * davmor2 staples a post it to Dave's head to remind him
[13:17] <bittin> Linuxcon has started: http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/sGxezkWB-oygsdW3u
[13:19] <Dave> ow.
[13:51] <xnox> ZZZZzzzzz
[13:51] <xnox> that feed is so boring
[13:51]  * xnox will read summary on lwn.net later
[17:09] <foobarry> bittin: are the linuxcon sessions recorded and available for me to watch later?
[17:10] <bittin> foobarry: no idea
[18:32] <foobarry> one thing i mis about cm12 is the arrows on the wifi/mobile signal to show which network is receiving/sending data
[18:55] <popey> i use a separate app which prints the network traffic on screen all the time
[19:27] <foobarry> which ones that popey ? i see the activity when i swipe down though
[19:36] <popey> foobarry: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.kfsoft.android.TrafficIndicator&hl=en_GB
[19:37] <popey> I have used it for years.
[20:16] <foobarry> thx
[20:24] <nex> hi
[20:24] <nex> asd
[20:24] <nex> asf
[20:24] <nex> sdf
[20:24] <nex> pls someone write something
[20:24] <nex> also im sorry for spamming into this channel
[20:26] <popey> nex: ?
[20:26] <nex> thx
[20:27] <ali1234> popey you've done some apt caching right?
[20:28] <popey> yes
[20:28] <ali1234> is there anything that actually works?
[20:28] <popey> i use apt-cacher-ng these days
[20:28] <popey> the only thing it doesn't work for (currently) (for me) is snapcraft cleanbuild in lxd
[20:28] <ali1234> does it work with foreign repos?
[20:28] <popey> which bypasses the cache
[20:28] <popey> yeah, i think so, you can tell it anything to cache I think
[20:29] <ali1234> i need it to work with multistrap and debirf
[20:29] <ali1234> that means no changes to sources.list
[20:31] <ali1234> approx fails if you have two repos with the same distro name, eg ubuntu main archive and the partner repo which are both /ubuntu
[20:31] <popey> acng is the only one that worked for me
[20:31] <ali1234> it can't tell them apart
[20:31] <ali1234> unless you change sources.list
[20:32] <popey> my sources.list is vanilla
[20:33] <ali1234> does it start the service as soon as it is installed?
[20:33] <popey> i think so
[20:33] <popey> i think i followed a guide
[20:35] <ali1234> hah. it just works
[20:35] <popey> :)
[20:35] <ali1234> okay let's give it a slightly harder test...
[20:37] <ali1234> that also works :)
[20:37] <popey> woot
[20:38] <popey> nice admin/stats page http://localhost:3142/acng-report.html?doCount=Count+Data#stats
[20:40] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/pmzUU what I see
[20:41] <popey> using snapcraft means a lot of apt gets
[20:41] <ali1234> yeah really
[20:41] <ali1234> ogra made packageproxy snap for this reason
[20:41] <popey> oh neat
[20:41] <ali1234> but it uses approx, which is broken
[20:41] <popey> ah
[20:42] <ali1234> it only works properly if you edit your sources.list, not as a proxy
[20:42] <ali1234> which isn't much use when you are trying to bootstrap a foreign repo
[20:44] <popey> 🙌
[20:44] <ali1234> is that a moose?
[20:45] <ali1234> hmm... not reachable from my lan
[20:47] <ali1234> hah... my IP changed because i have a new computer, and i didn't notice
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> the police will alledge that is you evading their lawful surveillance... :-P
[20:48] <ali1234> popey: another random question: http://askubuntu.com/q/815431/12435
[20:49] <ali1234> see also pm
[20:54] <daftykins> just been out planning a stag do for a friend :) check out the view over the town harbour area from the proposed venue, it's the local Royal Yacht Club https://www.dropbox.com/s/9f90mqkofk6ejqf/IMG_20160822_195411.jpg?dl=0
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> those railings look good for handcuffing someone to them... :-)
[20:55]  * daftykins whistles
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> useful tip, drop a small key that looks like the key for the cuffs out of reach... keeps them amused for hours... :-D
[21:00] <daftykins> our mate is a tough one, he's likely to walk out and bail on a whole evening if he's pushed too far... so it's quite a tame event planned
[21:01] <daftykins> they're going karting in the morning, followed by a boat trip over to Herm (the narest smaller island) with some clay pigeon shooting, then back here and into the above Yacht Club for some old school consoles like Nintendo 64s from our school days to play whilst a curry house buffet one street over is delivered to the tables \o/
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> and hopefully no drinking before or during the clay pigeon shooting...
[21:03] <daftykins> indeed!
[21:03] <daftykins> way too many weddings this past few years
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> i just bought a small silly pressie for the landlords son who is getting married this friday...
[21:04] <daftykins> ooh?
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> i just buy small piggie banks and fill them with €1 coins.
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> weddings are just silly expensive for those getting married
[21:09] <daftykins> too right, seems insane for an event like that to cost so :) i've always been the type to shy away from standing up and being known so i would avoid it entirely for sure!
[21:09] <daftykins> that's a neat plan though, i wonder how many you fit in ;)
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> a guy i worked with spent 50k on a wedding.  getting divorced now.  spending the same again on lawyers i think
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> about €140
[21:10] <daftykins> erk! and that's a good value for sure
[21:10] <daftykins> you pop down the bank and say "fill 'er up!"
[21:10] <daftykins> + ?
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> i throw coins into a pot when i get home, small coins go in piggy bank, large coins go in pot.  i just emptied the big pot into the gift piggy bank
[21:12] <daftykins> :D
[21:13] <popey> ali1234: thanks, will take a look
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> piggy bank ttp://imgur.com/a/QxvlF
[21:15] <daftykins> :D
[21:15] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: are any local ones green? Sark has a golden one
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> seems the uk ones used to green at first too.  only went red later iirc
[21:18] <daftykins> ooh
[21:18] <daftykins> ours here in Guernsey are blue :)
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box#Moving_towards_a_standard_design bronze green
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> they painted a few around dublin red for the centenary of the 1916 rising a few months back.  they've since been repainted green
[21:22] <daftykins> Penfolds!? That reminds me of my new Dangermouse shirt ;)
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't their secret hideout in a post box in 80s series?
[21:22] <daftykins> i think so :D
[21:22] <daftykins> finally i know the origin of that name!
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> and now we know the connection between name of sidekick and location...
[21:23] <daftykins> minds officially blown
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> much deeper than we ever gave it credit... :-)
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi>  blue boxes for airmail... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box#Air_mail
[21:29] <daftykins> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box#/media/File:GuernseyPostBox.jpg
[21:29] <daftykins> :D
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> you don't realise when you look at them but those post boxes are the result of 150 years of development and perfecting a design
[23:36] <daftykins> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqd3JgaWYAAR-vJ.jpg:large
[23:36] <daftykins> what a strange modern time where consoles get games before PC :P