[05:08] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: interesting! i guess the box vonverts the DVI to usb, hence doind the drivers jobb...
[05:08] <sakrecoer> *converts
[07:34] <flocculant> sakrecoer: I'll try and be about a bit for you this week - we're not having anything to do with the b1 milestone so have a bit of time :)
[07:34] <flocculant> work now though :)
[07:34] <sakrecoer> flocculant: very kind of you, highly appreciated! :)
[07:34] <flocculant> cya later :)
[07:35] <sakrecoer> :) cya o/
[07:35] <flocculant> try and watch -release - I just pinged infinity and laney re your iso 
[10:29] <geirdal> sakrecoer,  are we still going to do the gallery idea? I have at least 10 images that I can donate
[10:30] <sakrecoer> yeah, i think so :) not sure we have the appropriate format yet, but it would sure be a good thing to have.
[10:30] <geirdal> is autumna  working in it?
[10:31] <sakrecoer> right now she is on holliday, never the less, feel free to suggest anything in that regard :)
[10:33] <geirdal> she wanted to do this from scratch, we could start this by donate our work. I think that could work and then call for peoples art when website is up
[10:34] <geirdal> we need sound, I can give my art and we need video
[10:35] <geirdal> you had some sounds sakrecoer 
[10:36] <sakrecoer> i do.. i'm not too sure i want to be the first adding sounds... i get enough frontrow as it is hehe.. but we should be on the look out for material. probably do an anouncement/campaign..
[10:39] <sakrecoer> i know for sure mike holstein has got sweet music made in ubuntustudio, maybe zequence? would be a good tribute to feature the founders and past contributors maybe? :)
[10:40] <geirdal> yes
[10:41] <geirdal> I still think its a good idea to use for video Blenders open movie projects for inspiration
[10:43] <sakrecoer> definitly :)
[10:51] <geirdal> there is a wallpaper contest, we could show some of that
[11:06] <flocculant> sakrecoer: fyi, I see you said studio doesn't install in -release, I've successfully done so on kvm this morning
[11:07] <sakrecoer> flocculant: hm.. with the daily, or the one from 18th in the tracker?
[11:08] <flocculant> one from the tracker, it's your only working iso :)
[11:08] <sakrecoer> i tried hardware install on both my machines with the daily and it failed...
[11:08] <flocculant> not sure who you need to talk to about packages and dependencies 
[11:09] <sakrecoer> flocculant: this one http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds/129062/downloads?
[11:09] <sakrecoer> because i tried this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[11:10] <flocculant> mmm if you look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/yakkety/daily-live-20160822.log
[11:10] <flocculant> at the bottom you can see it thinks it's purged old images and successfully added at 02:23 this morning
[11:11] <flocculant> I think someone on -release needs to whack the tracker a bit 
[11:12] <flocculant> and yea that one 
[11:12] <sakrecoer> ok... thank you!
[11:13] <flocculant> one on the 19th likely had no networking nor desktop - that would have been smack bang in the middle of some systemd problems iirc
[11:13] <sakrecoer> ok.. yeah, bothe DE and networking were bananas in the live session.
[11:13] <flocculant> yup
[11:14] <flocculant> you should find that when you have a real iso on the tracker those will be fixed - they are for us
[11:15] <sakrecoer> oh wait... that log is for xubuntu..
[11:16] <flocculant> oh whoops :p
[11:16] <flocculant> just change xubuntu to ubuntustudio then :)
[11:16] <sakrecoer> yeah... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/yakkety/
[11:16] <flocculant> I did wonder why you were suddenly building at the same time as us lol 
[11:16] <sakrecoer> i mean... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/yakkety/dvd-20160821.log
[11:17] <sakrecoer> so.. "LiveBuildsFailed: No live filesystem builds succeeded."
[11:17] <flocculant> aah yes 963 bytes - that'll be a fail build then :D
[11:17] <flocculant> sorry for getting your hopes up ...
[11:17] <sakrecoer> but hey, at least got a chance to taste embarassment in -release whcih is good because my skin gets harder :D
[11:18] <sakrecoer> i might sound cynical, but i'm super greatfull for your tip flocculant :)
[11:18] <flocculant> you can see more about 'what' failed at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/280197910/buildlog_ubuntu_yakkety_i386_ubuntustudio_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:19] <sakrecoer> yeah tahnks! that is what was emailed .. good to know where to find those!
[11:19] <flocculant> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/ubuntustudio
[11:20] <flocculant> anyway - afaik Laney is running b1 from the canonical side if flavour people help - so he's likely the one to talk to
[11:20] <flocculant> meantime - off out again now :)
[11:21] <sakrecoer> ok! ryl! o/
[11:21] <sakrecoer> thank you flocculant :)
[11:39] <geirdal> sakrecoer, would like to see the gallery in a magazine format hybrid gallery
[11:41] <sakrecoer> and how does such a format look?
[11:42] <sakrecoer> geirdal ^
[11:42] <geirdal> can make a mockup
[11:43] <sakrecoer> sure.. :) keep in mind it has to work with wordpress
[11:43] <geirdal> ok
[16:26] <zequence> New ardour in debian
[16:26] <zequence> Now would be a good time to do a request-sync. I can't do it atm. Will have to be somewhere soon.
[16:26] <zequence> I'll notify the mail list
[16:33] <OvenWerks> zequence: is that 5.0.5?
[19:02] <sakrecoer> i'm looking at this, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess but i don't realy know how to "ensure the Ubuntu changes have been merged"..
[19:05] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I am not worried if this is merged or not. I would assume (could be wrong) that this is the 5.0.5 release. So far as I know this release does not add or fix anything in Ardour itself but rather something that allows the Ardour.org packages to build correctly.
[19:06] <OvenWerks> So if Ardour 5.0 bulds correctly, and installs/runs ok we may not gain anything anyway.
[19:06] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: :) i guess i was hoping to read it was super easy, and that i could easily discharge some work payload..
[19:06] <OvenWerks> 5.1 would be worthwhile
[19:06] <OvenWerks> But it is not here yet
[19:07] <sakrecoer> :)
[19:07]  * OvenWerks pushes yet another bit for the Ardour OSC setup GUI...
[19:07] <sakrecoer> :/ iso failed 20 minutes ago...
[19:08] <sakrecoer> same error, with gnupg..
[19:08] <sakrecoer> and kactivitymanagerd
[19:09] <OvenWerks> Ya I see that. Has anyone dropped a bug on that package?
[19:10] <sakrecoer> i poked the release team about it, they were looking..
[19:10] <sakrecoer> but i don't know... are we the only one to distribute those?
[19:10] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg/+bug/1615039
[19:11] <OvenWerks> part of this maybe?
[19:13] <sakrecoer> maybe.. apw said "have renamed gnupg to gnupg1 in debian, which will wreak havoc with our delta"
[19:13] <OvenWerks> there is a gnupg2 as well.
[19:13] <sakrecoer> "looks a little like they- have renamed" etc..
[19:14] <sakrecoer> < xnox> apw, yeah, and we need to merge new gpg2 to take that.
[19:14] <sakrecoer> the mysteries of the universe in my head: why is it only breaking ours? :D
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Well, initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core needs it which may mean nobody is building.
[19:15] <flocculant> OvenWerks: we're building fine
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Maybe we depend on an older version of one of it's depends
[19:16] <OvenWerks> flocculant: just got two emails that says different
[19:16] <flocculant> OvenWerks: you said 'may mean nobody is building' and in this context from me, we is xubuntu :p
[19:16] <OvenWerks> Ah :)
[19:17] <sakrecoer> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds
[19:17] <sakrecoer> looks like most flavours had a successfull build today
[19:17] <OvenWerks> so we should be looking at the depend that is failing and seeing what we have that requires it.
[19:18] <flocculant> sakrecoer: except kubuntu - who'll be wanting the other one you're failing to build with at least
[19:18] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: can you paste the line from the failure? I seem to have gotten rid of it already :P
[19:19] <sakrecoer> you mean this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gnupg1 : Breaks: gnupg (< 1.4.20-6+exp1) but 1.4.20-6ubuntu1 is to be installed, kactivitymanagerd : Breaks: kactivities (< 5.20~) but 5.18.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[19:20] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks ^
[19:20] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:20] <sakrecoer> flocculant: :)
[19:20] <sakrecoer> well.. not that it makes me happy, but its good to know we are not alone lol
[19:39] <OvenWerks> it appears we have something that says it requires gnupg1
[19:40] <OvenWerks> I am not even sure what we have that requires gnupg
[19:40] <OvenWerks> we do not ask for it directly
[19:41] <sakrecoer> how can we find out?
[19:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I do not know how to trace what gnupg is a dep of that we have.
[19:42] <OvenWerks>  We could install a xubuntu ISO and then add our metas to till it chokes.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> But I would bet someone with more packaging/apt-get experience has a command that would trace things back.
[19:45] <sakrecoer> apt-cache rdepends gnupg showed me snapd among a big bunch of others..
[19:45] <sakrecoer> althoug admitdely, i have installed a hole bunch of things on this machine..
[19:46] <sakrecoer> thigns that mught be using it.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: the things is, it is the one thing on there that is looking for gnupg1
[19:46] <OvenWerks> (or something that is inside it)
[19:47] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: ? the one thing? in where?
[19:48] <OvenWerks> a depend that is looking for gnupg or even gnupg 1.4.20 will not fail. there is something that wants 1.4.20-6+exp1 which comes in gnupg in debian these days.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> What do we have that is a new version since 16.04?
[19:50] <OvenWerks> what are the packages we just added in our meta update?
[19:51] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: this item list: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-y-development
[19:51] <sakrecoer> as far as i know,...
[19:52] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: kryten gave me this link the other day: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev should list the lastest changes
[19:55] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: maybe this one is better: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.yakkety
[19:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I am going through the commits
[19:56] <OvenWerks> Ya that
[19:56] <sakrecoer> easier to see what has happened in the seeds
[19:56] <sakrecoer> thanks OvenWerks :)
[19:56] <sakrecoer> maybe i should ask in -release?
[19:58] <OvenWerks> I don't know
[19:58] <flocculant> OvenWerks: you might make more sense of the discussion in -release about gnupg and kactivitymanagerd >https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/22/%23ubuntu-release.html#t14:23 
[19:58] <flocculant> seems that the 2 issues for studio are related
[19:59] <OvenWerks> Ah, It just seemed to me that the last seed update came very close to the time we started having trouble.
[19:59] <flocculant> you, edubuntu and kubuntu are the only people to use kmanagerd, (edubuntu doesn't show on tracker now)
[20:00] <OvenWerks> so we should look for things that are kde based like kdenlive
[20:00] <flocculant> I'd think so 
[20:01] <flocculant> also look in ubuntustudio-audio, as that's where apt-cache show gnupg1 points
[20:02] <OvenWerks> None of the late additions directly uses gnupg that I can see.
[20:02] <flocculant> maybe so - but kubuntu have been all over the place this cycle so maybe something has gone on over there that's impacted you 
[20:02] <OvenWerks> flocculant: really... ok. I don't have a 16.10 partition yet so hard to test.
[20:06] <flocculant> OvenWerks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23079393/
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I would have thought graphics or video (even office) where we have known kde stuff
[20:08] <flocculant> yea
[20:08] <flocculant> understood - I'm just giving you what I see from apt 
[20:08] <sakrecoer> yeah that is odd.. i can't imagin any of those audio packages would need gpg.. but what do i know...
[20:08] <flocculant> but I also end up floundering a bit
[20:08] <sakrecoer> would "recommends" pull it in?
[20:09] <OvenWerks> kid3?
[20:09] <sakrecoer> that would be new...
[20:09] <OvenWerks> it doesn't ask for any kde libs though
[20:09] <sakrecoer> kid3 needing it... woudl be new...
[20:09] <flocculant> sakrecoer: doesn't need to need gpg - needs to need kmanagerd according to xnox - which should use gnupg onstead
[20:09] <sakrecoer> its QT afaik
[20:10] <sakrecoer> flocculant: ok...
[20:10] <flocculant> I think that's right anyway lol
[20:10] <flocculant> could be the blind leading the blind here ;)
[20:10] <sakrecoer> lol :)
[20:10] <sakrecoer> better than no one helping no one :p
[20:10] <OvenWerks> I think I am back to DL and install xubuntu and adding metas...
[20:11] <sakrecoer> flocculant: didn't the iso from he 18th install alright?
[20:11] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: we include all the recomends in the metas.
[20:11] <sakrecoer> ubuntustudio, you told me you tried that one didn't you?
[20:11] <flocculant> anyway - this is all magic to me - I'm only about to help when needed for beta1 :p
[20:11] <flocculant> sakrecoer: yea the iso on the tracker installs fine
[20:12] <flocculant> sakrecoer: I wonder if you try the one you have which failed - but don't tell it to install -audio 
[20:12] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds/129062/downloads
[20:12] <OvenWerks> What date is that one?
[20:12] <flocculant> the time is now 2112 - seems like a good time to stop this and put 2112 on instead - night all :)
[20:13] <flocculant> OvenWerks: 18th
[20:13] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: that on is from the 18th.
[20:13] <sakrecoer> flocculant: worth trying...
[20:13] <OvenWerks> mine says 19th
[20:13] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: i tried installing the 19th yesterday and it wouldn't install on 2 machines..
[20:14] <OvenWerks> I wonder about curl
[20:15] <flocculant> sakrecoer: what I find a bit bizarre is that I supposedly got 18th from tracker, zsync from your 19th iso made no changes
[20:15] <sakrecoer> yeah, thats weird...
[20:16] <flocculant> I can quikcly try installing that in vm without -audio 
[20:16] <OvenWerks> krita takes kde runtime
[20:17] <sakrecoer> it does, krita, kdenlive.. those are the ones i can think of...
[20:17] <OvenWerks> and kde-helpcenter
[20:18] <OvenWerks> kdenlive does not ask for kde runtime as happens.
[20:19] <sakrecoer> hmm.. i'm confused now
[20:19] <OvenWerks> krita pulls in a buch of calligra... makes one wonder we don't just include that.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> *bunch
[20:25] <OvenWerks> It looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg/+bug/1615039 may be the fix of it though
[20:27] <flocculant> that'd be the one sakrecoer should point -release team at I would assume for when you've got no images to test beta against 
[20:48] <sakrecoer> sorry guys, had to get emergency sandwich
[20:55] <sakrecoer> flocculant, OvenWerks i poked in -release and linked to that bug...
[20:55] <sakrecoer> not too confident on what to tell them.. let's see how they respond ..
[20:56] <OvenWerks> "No ISO to test"?
[20:57] <sakrecoer> < sakrecoer> hello, our iso still fails for same reason. we are having troubles finding what is using gpg1, we have no working image to look in... could this have something to do with it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg/+bug/1615039
[20:58] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: what... do you mean? 
[20:58] <sakrecoer> ah.. a suggestion of what to tell them?
[20:59] <sakrecoer> "will work for ISO" :D
[21:24] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: < jbicha> sakrecoer: deken depends on python-gnupg which depends on gnupg1
[21:24] <sakrecoer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deken
[21:24] <sakrecoer> jbicha added: 
[21:24] <sakrecoer> < jbicha> sakrecoer: here, let me revert python-gnupg to 0.3.8-2  to see if that fixes things for this week
[21:25] <OvenWerks> I wondered if it was one of those python things.
[21:29] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: he said he "found by digging through germinate"...
[21:29] <sakrecoer> what is germinate?
[21:30] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: ok, i see its a tool
[21:32] <sakrecoer> For the log, if anyone else wonders: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Germinate
[21:33] <sakrecoer> i have to sign off... 
[21:33] <sakrecoer> thanks for your help flocculant and OvenWerks ! :)
[21:33] <sakrecoer> let's hope we have an ISO tomorrow. g'night o/
[22:32] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks, flocculant, and everyone... i forgot to forward this
[22:32] <sakrecoer> 23:33 #ubuntu-release: < jbicha> sakrecoer: done, so we'll just have to retry  the iso build tomorrow once germinate has  picked up the change
[22:33] <flocculant> read it there :)
[22:33] <sakrecoer> :)
[22:34] <sakrecoer> it hit me before slumber, thought OvenWerks might want to know :)
[22:34] <sakrecoer> bye now! o/
[22:35] <flocculant> night :)