/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/23/#juju-dev.txt

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perrito666chill out bot, you will get something00:28
=== thumper is now known as thumper-dogwalk
redirbbiab ~730PDT00:38
anastasiamacthumper-dogwalk: RB strikes again :D PR behind this RB has been merged but RB is still open.. could u plz close it? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5472/00:39
mupBug # changed: 1205113, 1334482, 1397201, 1403722, 1444066, 1445066, 1455625, 1468188, 1492530, 1494939, 1536448, 1539156, 1542488, 1545712, 1554116, 1555801, 1556176, 1564168, 1566023, 1569632, 1570651, 1571831, 1571855, 1572350, 1573099, 1574798, 1575245, 1575283, 1575405, 1576184, 1576295,00:49
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mupBug #1615868 opened: interactive bootstrap fails with tools mismatch <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615868>00:58
mupBug #1615868 changed: interactive bootstrap fails with tools mismatch <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615868>01:10
mupBug #1615868 opened: interactive bootstrap fails with tools mismatch <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615868>01:16
mupBug #1615868 changed: interactive bootstrap fails with tools mismatch <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615868>01:25
wallyworldthumper-dogwalk: can you ping me, or see last comment in bug 161505101:36
mupBug #1615051: Dubious hook failures deploying trivial charm <ci> <deploy> <hooks> <jujuqa> <regression> <juju:Triaged by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615051>01:36
=== thumper-dogwalk is now known as thumper
thumperwallyworld: seems reasonable01:49
wallyworldthumper: so you will fix :-)01:49
thumperwallyworld: you got to blame it on me01:50
thumperum...01:50
wallyworld\o/01:50
thumperthey need to fix their tests01:50
wallyworldbut the charm is broken01:50
wallyworldwe have broken the production charm01:50
thumperso they need to fix their charm01:50
wallyworldfor mediawiki and others01:50
wallyworlda lot of stuff will just break now01:51
thumperwallyworld: marcoceppi seemed to think that most charms use charmtools and wouldn't be impacted by this change01:51
wallyworlddoes charm tools do the right thing? what does it do?01:51
thumperit always says --format json01:51
wallyworldso maybe we just got unlucky01:51
marcoceppicharmhelpers*01:51
thumpermarcoceppi: sorry01:52
wallyworldthe dummy test charm and the mediawiki one the CI tests use01:52
thumpermarcoceppi: would you expect mediawiki to work?01:52
marcoceppiit's probalby bash01:52
marcoceppibecause it's garbage01:52
wallyworldno, ot's python01:53
wallyworldhttps://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/mediawiki/archive/hooks/cache-relation-changed01:53
thumperwallyworld: it uses --format json01:53
wallyworldreally?01:54
wallyworldrl = subprocess.Popen("relation-list",stdout=subprocess.PIPE)01:54
wallyworldno python there that i can see - that's the bit that is causing the failure01:54
wallyworldunless i am mistaken01:54
marcoceppiwallyworld: it's not using charmhelpers, it's not a good charm01:54
wallyworldagreed01:55
thumperp = subprocess.Popen(["relation-get", "--format", "json", "-", memcached_unit.strip()],01:55
wallyworldthumper: right but that's not the issue01:55
thumperugh01:55
thumpersabdfl said "fix the charms"01:55
wallyworldthe issue is that the memcahced_unit value has changed01:55
wallyworldthumper: so for now, i guess we ask CI to set the feature flag01:56
thumperwallyworld: that would certainly be the easiest solution01:56
thumperwallyworld: I'll email appropriate people01:57
wallyworldthumper: can you be the one then to mark the bug as "invalid" or "won't fix" for core :-)01:57
wallyworldta01:57
wallyworldthumper: also cc rick who was the one who the bug passed through01:58
thumperack01:59
redirwoah, hot bug action.02:41
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katcothumper: hey, i responded to your review of http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5485/ can you give me a ship it (or not)?03:01
thumpersure, I'll look again shortly03:01
katcothumper: no rush at all. as long as i wake up in 10h or so and something's there :)03:01
thumper:)03:01
katcothumper: ta03:01
* katco disappears03:02
redirpoof03:02
natefinchso I guess juju on launchpad is now what we're using for 2.0 bugs?03:03
natefinchas opposed to juju-core03:04
mupBug #1615095 changed: storage: volumes not supported <landscape> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615095>03:04
mupBug #1615580 changed: logging emits inappropriate ANSI escape codes on non-ANSI terminal <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615580>03:07
anastasiamacnatefinch: yes. this si the attempt to make sure that we important 2.0 bugs do not disappear in the heap of old 15K bugs.. when I say old, i mean like 2012,2013...:D03:11
mupBug #1615580 opened: logging emits inappropriate ANSI escape codes on non-ANSI terminal <juju:Triaged by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615580>03:19
natefinchanastasiamac: cool.  Hopefully someone will send out an email soon, so we don't add new bugs to the wrong place?03:20
anastasiamacnatefinch: Rcik sent an email couple of weeks ago.03:20
natefinchanastasiamac: oh. huh.03:25
anastasiamacRick* even :D03:25
natefinchanastasiamac: ahh, I see it.  It's buried at the bottom of a long-ish email about bug cleanup :)03:26
anastasiamacnatefinch: i like the idea of following up to sya "we are done" but i think a redirect from juju-core to juju (or some kind of note that 2.0 bugs do not belong there) would be nice..03:27
natefinchanastasiamac: so it's on 2.0 bugs that'll get moved over?03:31
natefinchs/on/only03:31
anastasiamacnatefinch: yes, 2.+03:31
anastasiamac\o/03:31
natefinchOh, I know why I missed it, rick sent it to cloud03:32
anastasiamacnatefinch: yes :D03:33
natefinchI don't ever look at cloud, because it's so spammy03:34
anastasiamacnatefinch: sorry. want to file a bug? :D03:34
natefinchhaha03:34
mupBug #1615580 changed: logging emits inappropriate ANSI escape codes on non-ANSI terminal <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615580>03:34
mupBug #1615719 changed: [juju-2.0-beta15] during the bootstrap stage the no-proxy config is ignored <openstack-provider> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615719>03:34
natefinchjust wondering if I should add juju-dev to my re-forwarding of the email03:34
natefinchseems like it would be good for people outside canonical to know, too.  but maybe that was on purpose03:35
wallyworldthumper: probs not - did we have anything like dave's process info endpoint in 1.25?03:55
thumperyes03:55
thumperbut it was less easy to access03:55
wallyworldthumper: oh awesome, i didn't think it was for 1.25, can you point me to docs?03:56
thumperit landed in 1.25 I think03:56
thumperhttps://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/pprof-facility03:56
thumper1.25.403:56
wallyworldawesome thanks03:57
mupBug # changed: 1456659, 1457092, 1457148, 1459300, 1493058, 1507359, 1510651, 1510944, 1512782, 1536230, 1536333, 1554088, 1559299, 1560331, 1568186, 1568189, 1568715, 1578327, 1580221, 1582268, 1588147, 1596559, 1605593, 1606300, 161512104:07
mupBug # changed: 1614599, 1614622, 1614835, 1614992, 161500804:13
wallyworldcan has small review? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5506/04:18
mupBug # opened: 1614599, 1614622, 1614835, 1614992, 161500804:19
redirwallyworld: looking04:25
wallyworld\o/04:25
wallyworldredir: need any help with the config stuff - just let me know04:25
rediryeah, I have a couple ? in a minute, wallyworld04:26
wallyworldwow, this is kinda awesome, just saw it in warthogs http://www.boredpanda.com/ive-just-painted-all-25-ubuntu-animals/04:27
wallyworldaxw: it seems that we have Schema() methods on various environ providers but don't call this method anywhere but from tests, and I can't see an interface that declares it either - it's not on the EnvironProvider interface. am i missing something?04:33
menn0veebers: the big macaroon changes for migrations have landed04:33
axwwallyworld: I don't think that work was ever completed04:34
axwwallyworld: I think it'll be obsoleted by natefinch's work04:34
wallyworldok, but i need it now :-)04:36
wallyworldfor proper default config management04:36
wallyworldthis week04:36
wallyworldfirst in wins :-)04:36
axwwallyworld: what do you need to do?04:36
wallyworldwhen bootstrapping and setting up config defaults, we currently ignore provider specific config - we only handle what's in config/config.go. So juju model-defaults will not show use-floating-ip for example on openstack04:37
mupBug # changed: 1242783, 1514555, 1515016, 1517076, 1519147, 1519176, 1519189, 1521020, 1521699, 1528070, 1528572, 1531719, 1534626, 1536336, 1536340, 1536345, 1542988, 1543839, 1544838, 1544855, 1545713, 1547891, 1548921, 1554136, 1554797, 1556238, 1559701, 1559708, 1559789, 1560152, 1560618,04:37
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mup1613829, 1613882, 1613888, 1614256, 1614599, 1614622, 1614835, 1614992, 1615008, 161511804:37
veebersmenn0: awesome, I'll build and fire off a run shortly :-)04:37
wallyworldand when a user sets or resets a value, they get a bullshit warning because those provider config items are not in the vocab04:38
wallyworldso i can easily solve the issue by processing the provider schema at bootstrap time04:38
axwwallyworld: ok, sounds like adding Schema to EnvironProvider is reasonable. please let natefinch know your requirements so he can work that into what he's doing04:39
wallyworldwill do04:39
wallyworldhe may even be lurking here now :-)04:40
mupBug # opened: 1242783, 1514555, 1515016, 1517076, 1519147, 1519176, 1519189, 1521020, 1521699, 1528070, 1528572, 1531719, 1534626, 1536336, 1536340, 1536345, 1542988, 1543839, 1544838, 1544855, 1545713, 1547891, 1548921, 1554136, 1554797, 1556238, 1559701, 1559708, 1559789, 1560152, 1560618,04:40
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mupBug # changed: 1242783, 1514555, 1515016, 1517076, 1519147, 1519176, 1519189, 1521020, 1521699, 1528070, 1528572, 1531719, 1534626, 1536336, 1536340, 1536345, 1542988, 1543839, 1544838, 1544855, 1545713, 1547891, 1548921, 1554136, 1554797, 1556238, 1559701, 1559708, 1559789, 1560152, 1560593,04:43
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mup1611766, 1612026, 1612744, 1612745, 1612747, 1613311, 1613824, 1613829, 1613882, 1613888, 1614256, 161511804:43
redirwallyworld: sooo for passing params to the ComposeNewModelConfig from apiserver/modelmanager were you thinking params that live in apiserver/params/... or somewhere else?04:44
wallyworldredir: let me look at the code04:45
redirwallyworld: I'll put it there and make a PR, so I wrap and have feedback for tomorrow, whence I can also get the modeldefaults done and move on to get/set04:46
wallyworldredir: ok. with regards to ComposeNewModelConfig, you are talking about weaving in the region defaults right?04:47
wallyworldif so, there's nothing to pass across the wire for that, so nothing from params04:49
redirwallyworld: yes, currently just passing cloudSpec04:49
redirbut only need cloud and region04:49
redirwallyworld: right nothing for the wire.04:49
redirinternal?04:49
wallyworldno, stuff in those dirs is just for on the wire data04:50
redirwallyworld: in internal is only for wire data?04:50
wallyworldyes, internal api calls04:51
wallyworldfrom workes to state etc04:51
redirOK.04:51
wallyworldeverything in apiserver should be about pulling stuff of the wire for remote calls and composing into business objects for use elsewhere, but sadly we have put a lot of business logic in apiserver04:51
wallyworldwhich should really be elsewhere04:51
wallyworldthere needs to be a separate business service layer04:52
wallyworldbut we have conflated apiserver for that04:52
axwwallyworld: I'm going to pause on azure stuff and look at removing the remaining model config from the lxd provider04:53
wallyworldawesome^10004:53
wallyworldi'd love to get all this sorted this week04:54
menn0thumper: blocking of user API requests to a model while it is being imported http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5508/04:54
axwwallyworld: I have a PR up for azure that reduces the number of API calls made. I didn't get as far as using templates, but that can be done later04:54
axwno rush to review, just FYI04:54
wallyworldok, ta04:54
mupBug # changed: 1190293, 1258051, 1287658, 1372543, 1421650, 1433161, 1488777, 1512481, 1516975, 1524823, 1528073, 1531995, 1534511, 1535891, 1536819, 1545563, 1546142, 1554802, 1556167, 1559402, 1560527, 1561375, 1562088, 1564452, 1564880, 1566044, 1566271, 1566893, 1567712, 1569109, 1569963,05:13
mup1571923, 1572585, 1573668, 1574677, 1575310, 1575895, 1576324, 1578383, 1579592, 1579593, 1579849, 1580626, 1581069, 1581537, 1581600, 1582214, 1582818, 1582948, 1583787, 1584170, 1584212, 1584896, 1585674, 1585847, 1588092, 1588224, 1589351, 1589581, 1590468, 1590520, 1592583, 1592872, 1593492,05:13
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mup1610450, 1611076, 1611110, 1612099, 1612112, 1612163, 161384205:13
mupBug # changed: 1545568, 1548809, 1558657, 1558668, 1558924, 1560428, 1560920, 1561339, 1569949, 1572703, 1573665, 1577606, 1580400, 1581337, 1584832, 1584897, 1584899, 1584900, 1584901, 1584903, 1584905, 1584906, 1588970, 1589339, 1589350, 1590699, 1590732, 159696005:22
mupBug # opened: 1545568, 1548809, 1558657, 1558668, 1558924, 1560428, 1560920, 1561339, 1569949, 1572703, 1573665, 1577606, 1580400, 1581337, 1584832, 1584897, 1584899, 1584900, 1584901, 1584903, 1584905, 1584906, 1588970, 1589339, 1589350, 1590699, 1590732, 159696005:31
mupBug # changed: 1463608, 1536885, 1543404, 1543408, 1545568, 1548809, 1558657, 1558668, 1558924, 1560428, 1560920, 1561339, 1564157, 1564500, 1566268, 1567952, 1569949, 1572703, 1573665, 1577606, 1580400, 1581337, 1584832, 1584897, 1584899, 1584900, 1584901, 1584903, 1584905, 1584906, 1588970,05:43
mup1589339, 1589350, 1590699, 1590732, 1593274, 1596960, 1598127, 160060005:43
redirwallyworld: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5510/ at your leisure. I'm off for the night. If that is close I should be able to move on to the defaults output and then the get/set bits05:49
redirnight juju-dev05:49
wallyworldthaks reed05:49
wallyworldttyl05:49
mupBug # opened: 1463608, 1536885, 1543404, 1543408, 1564157, 1564500, 1566268, 1567952, 1593274, 1598127, 160060005:49
mupBug # changed: 1463608, 1536885, 1543404, 1543408, 1557540, 1563117, 1564157, 1564500, 1564677, 1566268, 1567952, 1593274, 1598127, 160060005:53
mupBug #1557540 opened: Missing help for payloads <docs> <payloads> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1557540>06:11
mupBug #1563117 opened: api: data race adding local charm. <race-condition> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563117>06:11
mupBug #1564677 opened: Create one binary for juju and all plugins <osx> <packaging> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564677>06:11
mupBug # changed: 1512569, 1557540, 1563117, 156467706:14
axwwallyworld: can you please see my comments on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5502/, make sure I'm not leading anastasiamac up the garden path again06:22
wallyworldok06:24
wallyworldaxw: could you take look at my small pr that reed looked at? just to give sign off?06:24
axwwallyworld: sure, looking06:24
wallyworldaxw: fmt.Fprintf(ctx.Stderr) vs logger.Warning - i was hoping to avoid the logger extras and keep the output clean. was your issue that we should be showing a WARNING text?06:49
axwwallyworld: I was thinking that yeah06:54
axwwallyworld: not too concerned06:55
wallyworldaxw: ok, i'll add warning to the text06:55
wallyworldaxw: axctually, i meant that you look at this one http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5506/06:57
axwwallyworld: heh whoops06:57
wallyworldthe other one may need to have other changes added06:57
axwlooking :)06:57
wallyworldta06:57
axwwallyworld: LGTM06:59
wallyworldta06:59
=== frankban|afk is now known as frankban
anastasiamacaxw: wallyworld: re: defaults for image metadata, want to discuss tomorrow after standup? i think we are all pretty much in agreement but i;d rather minimise the churn on PR \o/07:37
axwanastasiamac: sure07:38
anastasiamacaxw: \o/07:38
axwanastasiamac: I have a meeting at 8am, so may have to be short or after that07:38
anastasiamacaxw: that's k. as long as it's sometime tomorrow :) i have a meeting at 11am my time =9am urs? :) so maybe early afternoon :D07:39
axwanastasiamac: and I plan to be out between 9:30 and don't-know-when looking at cars (again)07:40
anastasiamacaxw: that's exciting :D know what u want?07:42
axwanastasiamac: there's a couple that are ok. I'm not too bothered, as long as I don't get ripped off07:42
anastasiamacaxw: well, actually, i'll remove the method and will ensure that data is populated at the right spots so it may be just the matter of re-viewing changes ;)07:43
axwanastasiamac: ok, sounds good07:43
anastasiamacaxw: i love shopping for cars :)07:43
mupBug #1615958 opened: Switch to model name does't work anymore, admin should not be allowed to switch to users model <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615958>07:44
mupBug #1615960 opened: remove-machine and remove-application don't work on google cloud <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615960>07:44
voidspacefwereade: ping08:27
voidspacedimitern: land your lxd fix and let mgz handle the packaging mess when he returns ;-)08:30
* voidspace wants lxd working again08:30
dimiternvoidspace: :)08:30
voidspaceI might try one more time to go back to 2.008:30
dimiternvoidspace: yeah, and I'm not convinced there is any packaging issue anyway08:31
voidspaceI burned at least two hours on it yesterday08:31
voidspacedimitern: it seems odd08:31
voidspacedimitern: however I'm sure frobware wouldn't invent it - so there must be some issue08:31
voidspacedimitern: maybe a trusty thing?08:31
voidspacebut still can't see how08:31
voidspaceI'm sure mgz will explain :-(08:31
dimiternvoidspace: it was something about building .debs that includes building the lxd source and running into conflicts08:33
dimiternbut I don't believe this is avoidable at all08:33
dimiternit'll break if lxd changes binary compatibility, like adding an extra arg to Init()08:34
babbageclunkHey fwereade, could you take another look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5495/? I really think I've got it this time! :)08:44
fwereadevoidspace, babbageclunk: heyhey, I'm off today but you're in luck, everybody else is still asleep for the moment08:47
voidspacefwereade: hehe08:48
voidspacefwereade: I'm making some progress code spelunking on my own08:48
fwereadevoidspace, excellent08:48
voidspacefwereade: but it's unfamiliar code so I'm sure you can help with some quick pointers08:48
voidspacefwereade: IRC or hangout?08:48
fwereadevoidspace, irc probably better08:49
babbageclunkfwereade: Yay thanks! Hope your day off gets better once voidspace stops bothering you. So rude!08:56
* babbageclunk does a big wink.08:56
voidspacebabbageclunk: always08:57
voidspacebabbageclunk: and stop winking08:57
babbageclunkvoidspace: oh, that's involuntary - I think it's my meds.08:58
voidspacebabbageclunk: :-)08:58
fwereadebabbageclunk, hahaha08:59
thumpero/09:08
thumperfwiw I'm fixing my fubar09:08
thumperwill need some reviewers soon09:08
dimiternmgz, frobware, voidspace, babbageclunk: I'm about to push https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6054 for landing, unless anyone is strongly against it.09:08
dimitern\o thumper09:09
voidspacedimitern: sounds good to me09:14
voidspacethumper: o/09:14
thumpero/09:14
babbageclunkthumper: o/09:14
thumperbabbageclunk: how's the laptop?09:14
babbageclunkthumper: :( I'm using a loaner at the moment.09:16
babbageclunkthumper: But it's super chunky - 8 cores & 32 Gb!09:17
babbageclunkthumper: (the loaner, I mean)09:17
thumperbabbageclunk: so fucked then?09:17
babbageclunkthumper: And it was a pretty good test of my ansible setup scripts.09:18
babbageclunkthumper: yup - just the drive, though09:18
babbageclunkthumper: need to order a new ssd09:18
* thumper nods09:18
thumperlose much?09:18
thumperhere is the first branch: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5511/09:18
babbageclunkthumper: a couple days' work - although lots of that was working out time rather than typing time, so it wasn't too bad. Definitely pushing a lot more frequently now though!09:19
thumper:)09:25
macgreagoirdimitern: I want to retry a merge, but I can wait if you're about to queue-up the LXD fix.09:34
dimiternmacgreagoir: I've just sent the merge comment on mine09:35
macgreagoirCool09:36
* thumper runs all tests09:43
thumperprelim review anyone? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5512/09:46
thumperI'm running all the tests now to make sure I didn't miss something09:46
dimiternthumper: looking at both, in order09:47
thumperdimitern: first one has landed already09:47
thumper:)09:47
thumperit is a juju/cmd change09:47
thumperwhich the second needs09:47
dimiternoh09:48
dimiternok09:48
thumperso far, so good09:52
thumperup to featuretests09:52
thumperworker/uniter was the other big failure09:52
macgreagoirYou just jinxed it! :-)09:52
thumperperhaps09:52
thumperoh poop10:14
thumperanyone ? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5513/10:21
thumperreal fix waiting now for the above cmd fix10:22
thumperbabbageclunk ? ^^10:23
babbageclunkthumper: I started looking but it was longer than my attention span! I'll take another run at it.10:24
thumperthe one above is a missed behaviour change in juju/cmd10:24
thumperI have an update for the big branch once that has landed10:25
babbageclunkthumper: Oh, right - looking at that now10:25
thumperbabbageclunk: thanks10:25
babbageclunkthumper: LGTM10:26
babbageclunkthumper: How are you verifying these?10:27
babbageclunkthumper: (I mean against the old one.)10:27
thumperI have been looking at the test changes I did on my friday branch10:28
thumperand making the code like that again10:28
thumperthen fixing other things that need fixing10:28
babbageclunkgotch10:28
macgreagoirthumper: 5512 lgtm, fwiw10:28
babbageclunka10:29
babbageclunkwow macgreagoir, how'd you do that? sharp packets?10:29
macgreagoirbabbageclunk: gotch...a ? I'd been reviewing 5512 much longer than that :-)10:31
thumperbabbageclunk, macgreagoir: 5512 just got a fresh push10:34
* thumper runs another complete test run just to be sure10:34
babbageclunkfrobware: Have you got your hacked trusty image around? Need to recreate my kvm-maases.10:39
* thumper is still hoping for a +1 from babbageclunk10:39
* babbageclunk sighs.10:39
babbageclunkok looking for reals now10:40
thumperbabbageclunk: thanks, I appreciate it10:44
thumperbabbageclunk: FWIW, it isn't very exciting10:44
babbageclunkthumper: Ok, done - LGTM!10:48
babbageclunkthumper: It wasn't very exciting though. :)10:48
thumperthanks10:55
thumpertests all good this side10:55
thumperI'm submitting and signing off10:55
thumperlaters10:55
macgreagoir\o10:56
rick_h_macgreagoir: adding one more item for that list for the card you're working on please, controller version11:02
macgreagoirrick_h_: ack11:04
rick_h_ty macgreagoir11:04
rick_h_dimitern: around to chat?11:04
dimiternrick_h_: yeah, sorry - joining our 1:1 now11:07
* babbageclunk has to reboot to enable on virtualisation!11:11
rick_h_mgz: ping11:17
babbageclunkfrobware: ping?11:29
babbageclunkvoidspace: Are you around? Do you have frobware's hacked xenial image with the fixed cloud-init?11:30
babbageclunkvoidspace: I'm sorry about those mean things I said this morning.11:30
babbageclunkvoidspace: That was before I realised I needed something from you.11:30
voidspacebabbageclunk: haha11:31
voidspacebabbageclunk: I don't - I thought cloud-init was fixed in the standard images now11:31
voidspacebabbageclunk: that's all I've been using11:31
babbageclunkvoidspace: hmm - my xenial instance won't start11:31
babbageclunkvoidspace: just hangs during startup. although at a different point than the cloud-init problem did, now that I look harder at it.11:34
voidspacebabbageclunk: oh, weird11:34
voidspacebabbageclunk: maas?11:34
voidspacepretty sure I've had it working fine11:34
babbageclunkvoidspace: Well, I haven't got to the point of installing maas yet - this is just starting the controller.11:37
babbageclunkvoidspace: I'm using the daily build - maybe I should use something else?11:38
frobwarebabbageclunk: http://178.62.20.154/~aim/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img11:38
babbageclunkfrobware: Thanks, I'll try that instead.11:38
* frobware is unexpedtedly out of office today dealing with leaking pipes :(11:38
babbageclunkfrobware: good luck!11:39
babbageclunkfrobware: That worked, thanks.11:52
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mupBug #1616059 opened: Unit test failure in github.com/juju/juju/cmd/juju/application <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616059>12:46
mgzrick_h_: late pong13:11
mupBug #1511822 opened: imports github.com/juju/juju/workload/api/internal/client: use of internal package not allowed <blocker> <ci> <regression> <wily> <juju-core:New> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511822>13:16
mupBug #1511822 changed: imports github.com/juju/juju/workload/api/internal/client: use of internal package not allowed <blocker> <ci> <regression> <wily> <juju-core:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511822>13:31
mupBug # opened: 1425808, 1457575, 1474607, 1510651, 1513165, 1534643, 1538583, 1573136, 1580221, 1584616, 1587644, 1592887, 1596597, 1597830, 1599503, 1604988, 1610880, 1612645, 1613992, 1614364, 161463313:31
mupBug # changed: 1425808, 1457575, 1474607, 1510651, 1513165, 1534643, 1538583, 1573136, 1580221, 1584616, 1587644, 1592887, 1596597, 1597830, 1599503, 1604988, 1610880, 1612645, 1613992, 1614364, 161463313:43
mupBug #1511822 opened: imports github.com/juju/juju/workload/api/internal/client: use of internal package not allowed <blocker> <ci> <regression> <wily> <juju-core:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511822>13:43
mupBug #1511822 changed: imports github.com/juju/juju/workload/api/internal/client: use of internal package not allowed <blocker> <ci> <regression> <wily> <juju-core:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511822>13:46
mupBug # opened: 1425808, 1457575, 1474607, 1493058, 1510651, 1513165, 1534643, 1538583, 1554088, 1573136, 1584616, 1587644, 1592887, 1596597, 1597830, 1599503, 1604988, 1610880, 1612645, 1613992, 1614364, 1614633, 161511813:46
babbageclunkvoidspace: Did you have any trouble commissioning nodes in maas19?13:51
natefinchrick_h_: btw, that email you sent about moving bugs from juju-core to juju was only sent to cloud@canonical - should it have been sent to juju and juju-dev@ubuntu also?  Seems like it's pretty important for everyone to see it.13:57
rick_h_natefinch: yea, I guess I assumed folks are on the wider distribution lists13:58
rick_h_natefinch: we're going to send a new email today focusing on how to file bugs and to confirm the move and such13:58
voidspacebabbageclunk: I didn't13:58
babbageclunkvoidspace: No worries, worked it out - missed a step in DHCP setup.13:58
voidspaceah13:58
natefinchrick_h_: cool.  Yeah, I honestly rarely look at the cloud list, because it's fairly spammy, and obviously people outside canonical aren't on that list13:59
rick_h_katco: dimitern ping for standup14:02
mupBug #1616098 opened: Juju 2.0 uses random IP for 'PUBLIC-ADDRESS' with MAAS 2.0 <cpec> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616098>14:17
mgzrick_h_: mini thing, should I add cards to the board for the random tasks I end up picking up? (like changing the release tools behaviour with patches and such)14:18
rick_h_mgz: yes please14:19
rick_h_mgz: anything that's more than a couple of hours to jfdi14:20
mgzokay, thanks14:20
mgzthat one was actually pretty short, but I'll make sure to add anything meatier14:20
babbageclunkOh, of course trying to bootstrap to two maases at once gets all confused.14:24
natefinchrick_h_: so, should I continue working on the add-cloud stuff or... ?14:25
rick_h_natefinch: no, please grab a critical14:25
natefinchrick_h_: will do14:26
mupBug #1616098 changed: Juju 2.0 uses random IP for 'PUBLIC-ADDRESS' with MAAS 2.0 <cpec> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616098>14:29
babbageclunkdimitern: around?14:55
dimiternbabbageclunk: yeah15:05
babbageclunkdimitern: hey! I'm just doing some manual testing of my machine undertaker worker (it works yay), but I want to try it with multi-nic containers.15:06
babbageclunkdimitern: Is that just a matter of setting up the hosts with multiple nics and those will show up bridged in the containers?15:07
rick_h_katco: ping, got a sec?15:10
katcorick_h_: yep15:10
rick_h_can you jump in https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/developer?authuser=1 please?15:10
dimiternbabbageclunk: you need to also use maas15:11
natefinchhttps://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sorry-you're-fired?authuser=115:11
babbageclunkdimitern: yeah, sorry, should have said that - that's what I'm testing on.15:11
dimiternbabbageclunk: and all top-level nics that have children you want to bridge need addresses\15:12
dimiternbabbageclunk: but having that should give you multi-nic containers15:12
babbageclunkdimitern: Awesome. And giving them addresses is just a matter of setting the nics to auto-assign in maas, right? Does it matter if they're all on the same subnet?15:16
dimiternbabbageclunk: auto assign or static assign should work - dhcp or unconfigured won't (the latter set on a parent NIC will lead to br-parent not getting created)15:17
babbageclunkdimitern: Cool, it totally just works!15:26
babbageclunkdimitern: This juju thing's pretty neat.15:26
dimiternbabbageclunk: awesome! :) when it works..15:31
mupBug #1536477 changed: utils/debugstatus: test failure <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536477>16:44
mupBug #1538583 changed: manual provider add-machine fails immediately after bootstrap <add-machine> <ci> <manual-provider> <regression> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.25:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538583>16:44
mupBug #1590161 changed: apiserver/client: panic: Session already closed <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590161>16:44
natefinchrick_h_: did you get the logs for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/161088017:28
mupBug #1610880: Downloading container templates fails in manual environment <juju:Triaged by rharding> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1610880>17:28
rick_h_natefinch: yes, sec. Let me find that email17:29
sivHi. I want to develop a juju charm which will go and  change the Openstack cinder service configuration file. created charm will perform this action post Openstack juju deployment. can I create a charm like this?17:32
rick_h_siv: yes, look into https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/authors-subordinate-services to help do something like that17:34
sivrich_h: Hi. I have an Ubuntu OpenStack autopilot setup. After the regular OpenStack install using AutoPilot, my created juju charm used to modify cinder driver settings. This is my intension.17:41
sivCan I modify the cinder driver settings post autopilot openstack deployment using my created charm?17:49
mupBug #1616149 opened: Incompatible protocol between older client and candidate server <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616149>17:50
sivHow do a newly created juju charm get certified? what is the procedure for that? how many days that it will take to get certify the newly created juju charm?17:57
rick_h_siv: check out https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store and https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charm-review-process18:11
sivrich_h : thank you18:13
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mupBug #1615958 changed: Switch to model name does't work anymore, admin should not be allowed to switch to users model <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615958>18:26
mupBug #1615960 changed: remove-machine and remove-application don't work on google cloud <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615960>18:26
mupBug #1616059 changed: Unit test failure in github.com/juju/juju/cmd/juju/application <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616059>18:26
mupBug #1615986 opened: Agents failing, blocked by upgrade but no upgrade performed <canonical-is> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615986>18:26
bdxpostgresql-peeps: say I have an application that needs to connect to 2 separate postgresql applications18:57
bdxpostgresql-peeps: is there a way to react to the states of the same service under a different name? Is this done by providing service sensitive interface names?18:58
bdxcharmers:^18:59
bdxeeeh, s/postgresql applications/postgresql db instances/19:04
marcoceppibdx: hey19:04
marcoceppibdx: might be better to ask in #juju19:05
marcoceppibdx: but you can define two different relations with the same interface19:05
marcoceppiand that way have a scope of reacting to each relation name19:05
bdxmy bad, thought I was on #juju ... grr19:14
marcoceppibdx: no worries! does my reply make sense?19:14
bdxyes, can you give more context in #juju though?19:15
natefinchsigh... the instructions for bootstrapping to manual don't actually work :/ https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/clouds-manual19:37
mupBug #1474607 changed: worker/uniter/relation: HookQueueSuite.TestAliveHookQueue failure <ci> <go1.5> <go1.6> <regression> <windows> <juju:Fix Released by axwalk> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474607>19:50
mupBug #1616197 opened: juju restore-backup error <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616197>19:50
bdxmarcoceppi: i see now20:08
bdxmarcoceppi: thx20:08
bdxexactly what I was thinking20:08
alexisb_thumper, ping20:31
thumperalexisb_: hey20:32
alexisb_thumper, can you take a look at htis bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/161615820:33
mupBug #1616158: Int overflow during build for Windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju:Triaged by alexis-bruemmer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616158>20:33
* thumper looks20:33
alexisb_https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/5ac0e259560382ea0c0e2a4120e028f2613ed85720:33
alexisb_^^ this is the suspect commit20:33
natefinchwe don't build x86 anymore, do we?20:36
thumperalexisb_: poo20:36
thumperalexisb_: mgo is assuming a 64 bit int20:36
thumperseems that windows still specifies 32?20:36
natefinchthumper: only if we're specifying a 32 bit architecture20:36
thumpernatefinch: thoughts on the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/161615820:37
mupBug #1616158: Int overflow during build for Windows <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju:Triaged by alexis-bruemmer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616158>20:37
thumpermgo.v2/bson/json.go:320: constant 9007199254740992 overflows int20:37
natefinchthumper: yeah, I was just looking at it.20:37
thumperint is a signed integer type that is at least 32 bits in size20:38
thumper^^ language spec20:38
thumperhow can we find out how many bits the int uses?20:38
natefinchthumper: if you build with GOOS=windows GOARCH=amd64 it works fine  if you build with GOARCH=386 regardless of OS (windows or linux) it fails20:40
natefinchso... let's not build with GOARCH=38620:40
natefinchthere's something tickling inside my head that says we were doing that on purpose for some reason... but I can't remember why now20:41
natefinchsinzui: do you know why we're building juju for windows as 32 bit?20:41
mupBug #1616149 changed: Incompatible protocol between older client and candidate server <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616149>20:41
thumpernatefinch: can you try replacing line 320 with this:20:42
thumperif int64(n) <= 1<<53 {20:42
thumperand then test the 38620:43
natefinchsure.. you can do it too (just sayin').  cross compile in go 1.5 and up is just "GOOS=windows GOARCH=386 go build ./..."20:44
thumperhmm...20:44
thumperok20:44
thumperok that works20:45
thumperalexisb_: we have two choices20:45
thumperalexisb_: stop building the windows client with GOARCH=38620:45
thumperalexisb_: or patch mgo20:45
natefincheither way, we should file a bug against mgo... I'm sure it was not intentional to break 38620:47
sinzuinatefinch: yes, *you* explained we should because Windows 64 bit is not common. We never chnged the rules you wrote.20:47
thumperheh20:47
sinzuinatefinch: If you believe 64bit clients are good for windows, we can change the build script in a few hours20:48
thumperapparently 32 bit versions stopped with windows 7 and vista20:49
thumperoh20:49
thumperno20:49
thumper8.1 can still be in 32 bit20:49
thumperwe should support 32 bit still20:50
thumperso... patch mgo20:50
thumperand file a bug etc etc20:50
natefinchI guess so.  honestly, I doubt anyone actually runs 32 bit windows anymore, but if 8.1 supports it, we probably should too20:50
alexisb_we dont support 32 bit linux20:51
natefinchand yes, 32 bit applications run on both 32 bit and 64 bit windows... the reverse is not true.20:51
alexisb_why would we do that for windows?20:51
sinzuithumper: natefinch : I the client is needs about 5 lines of change to switch to 64 bit when you are ready. We just match the rules of the win agent20:51
natefinchalexisb_: previously, presumably because it was free20:51
perrito666alexisb_: I believe that is because ubuntu no longer builds for 3220:51
natefinchalexisb_: i.e. no extra work20:51
thumperwell... how many people likely to be using juju will be using 32 bit windows?20:52
thumperperhaps we just make it 64 bit and see who screams?20:52
thumperalexisb_: who makes this call?20:53
alexisb_sinzui, do we have stats on 32 bit windows client downloads20:53
sinzuialexisb_:  to be clear, agents cannot be 32 bit in clouds. and Ubuntu doesn't support 32 bit server anywhere. Clients are in a grey area. Ubuntu makes 32 bit clients and we don't say no.20:53
sinzuialexisb_: I can get them from the milestone pages20:54
natefinchalexisb_:  the problem is, we can't tell if people downloading have 32 or 64 bit windows, since the 32 bit download is all we offer.20:56
natefinchpretty sure you haven't been able to buy a machine with 32 bit windows in several years.... so the only people with 32 bit would be those who upgraded an old machine20:57
thumperGiven today's hardware and defaults, I think we'd be fine saying 64 bit only windows...20:58
thumperI'll file a bug on mgo though20:58
natefinchgotta run to dinner, back in a bit21:01
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thumperhttps://github.com/go-mgo/mgo/issues/32521:02
thumpersimple review for someone: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5516/21:26
perrito666thumper: shipit, btw, you used the wrong dialect of markup21:34
thumper:)21:34
thumperw00t, current master lets me do this: `juju debug-log --replay --color --location | less -R`21:40
thumperfor show me the log in color, no tail21:40
thumpermarcoceppi, jcastro: ^^21:40
mupBug #1513165 changed: Containers registered with MAAS use wrong name <cdo-qa-blocker> <sts> <sts-needs-review> <juju:Fix Released by thumper> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513165>21:45
mupBug #1421270 changed: juju deploy failure WebSocketConnection closed <api> <oil> <oil-bug-1372407> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-deployer:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421270>22:21
wallyworldredir: did you want to chat?22:32
rediry22:32
redirbrt22:32
marcoceppithumper: --color isn't default ;)22:33
thumpermarcoceppi: yes it is22:33
marcoceppioh, well I saw it explicitly called out22:34
thumpermarcoceppi: but just like ls, if it isn't a terminal, it isn't there by default22:34
marcoceppioh, because of the detection stuff, nvm22:34
thumper:)22:34
perrito666meh, squid never comes ok out of a reboot22:57
thumperperrito666: oh, is that what does it?23:11
thumperhadn't worked that out23:11
perrito666thumper: at least for me, needs to restart squid-deb-proxy23:11
thumperdo you clear out the cache as well?23:11
thumperI had always assumed that was necessary23:11
perrito666thumper: I find it empty, I assume it empties on reboot?23:14
* thumper shrugs23:14
perrito666nah, that is not the cache, my bad23:14
perrito666was looking at wrong dir23:14
perrito666I dont clean it23:14
wallyworldalexisb_: standup? we miss you23:18
babbageclunkHey thumper! Long time no see.23:32
thumpero/23:32
babbageclunkCould you review this for me? https://github.com/juju/gomaasapi/pull/5623:32
babbageclunkthumper: ^^23:37
* thumper looks23:38
thumperbabbageclunk: LGTM23:41
babbageclunkthumper: Awse. Thanks!23:41
perrito666is it me or we all sound like daft punk songs in this call?23:48

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