[01:01] <ouroumov_> ali1234, thanks
[04:54] <oleh> hi< evryone)
[04:54] <ouroumov_> hi oleh
[04:54] <oleh> How a u?
[05:11] <ouroumov_> I'm fine oleh. You?
[05:44] <oleh> I am OK too.
[05:45] <oleh> I have recently installed Ubuntu Mate and evrything looks strange for me now.
[05:50] <ouroumov_> oleh, you're coming from Windows?
[06:05] <Amis> Hello! I've installed the Ubunut 16 MATE complete OS and every now and then when I close a program the focus goes "nowhere" meaning none of the global shortcuts work (like media keys or Win key) until I click on ANYTHING (including plain old desktop). How should I go about debugging this one? It really drives me crazy. I used plain old Ubuntu 12 before this with the same setup and did not have similiar problems.
[06:06] <Amis> When the problem occurs only the Alt+F1234567 keys work.
[06:09] <ouroumov_> hi Amis
[06:10] <ouroumov_> Amis, what window manager are you using? (Check in MATE Tweak -> Windows)
[06:10] <Amis> Compiz
[06:11] <ouroumov_> Yeah, Compiz is buggy.
[06:11] <Amis> Compiz in MATE or compiz in general?
[06:11] <ouroumov_> You're welcome to ask about it on our forums, and to file a bug report on Launchpad, but I wouldn't count on a speedy resolution.
[06:11] <ouroumov_> Compiz in general
[06:11] <Amis> Dang
[06:12] <Amis> Any experience in "tracking" focus in Compiz? :)
[06:13] <Amis> Maybe a background script could just detect this behaviour and switch focus to something
[06:13] <ouroumov_> You can also search the forums for the "compiz" keyword: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support
[06:15] <ouroumov_> See also the current compiz bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate?field.searchtext=compiz
[06:15] <alkisg> Does it happen if you login with metacity?
[06:15] <alkisg> Does it happen with compiz and unity?
[06:15] <alkisg> If it only happens with mate and compiz, then it's possible that it's a mate bug
[06:16] <Amis> alkisg, never actually tried because the problem occurs so randomly that I don't even know where to start in reproducing it and I just let it fade because I have other work to be done
[06:16] <alkisg> Amis, try enabling metacity and working with that for 1 week
[06:17] <Amis> How can I do that?
[06:17] <alkisg> You don't have to waste time on doing random things, just try things like that while you're working normally
[06:17] <alkisg> err sorry I meant marco, the name that mate has for metacity
[06:17] <alkisg> You can select it at the login screen (lightdm)
[06:17] <alkisg> It has a button to select the session
[06:18] <Amis> Does GPU acceleration matter in this case?
[06:18] <alkisg> It shouldn't matter for the bug, only for speed
[06:18] <alkisg> There's also a "compton" option, which is another window manager with gpu acceleration
[06:19] <alkisg> I think those options are additionally available in mate-tweak
[06:19] <ouroumov_> ali1234, I think you forgot to mark yourself as affected on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1615363
[06:22] <Amis> Well yeah. Switching to it without relogging was a bad idea.
[06:22] <Amis> The whole desktop gone nuts.
[06:33] <chiloli> hello
[06:34] <ouroumov_> hi chiloli
[06:34] <chiloli> can i fix amd gpu temp and fan speed issue in ubuntu 16.04 with adding acpi_osi= windows 2012 to grub?
[06:35] <ouroumov_> No idea.
[08:39] <oleh> Yeah, i moved from Windows. I have Linux as second OS.
[08:40] <oleh> But before mate i had Ubuntu and it seemed easier for me.
[08:43] <Na3iL> oleh, welcome to the other place of the world, when you can not hear the window$ machines rebooting in the night
[08:53] <oleh> )
[08:54] <oleh> i don't understand, where i can find something like Ubuntu store where i can download apps..
[08:56] <alkisg> oleh: sudo apt install gnome-software
[08:57] <ouroumov_> You can also install that from the Software Boutique
[08:58] <ouroumov_> Welcome app -> Software Button -> "More Software"
[08:58]  * alkisg wishes that was preinstalled and the default
[08:59] <ouroumov_> alkisg, why? apt is already installed by default, everything else is eye candy
[08:59] <alkisg> ouroumov_, for people that want to install applications and that don't want to use the terminal
[09:00] <alkisg> There are millions of them :)
[09:01] <oleh> i like using terminal, but i also want to have smthng like store)
[09:01] <ouroumov_> alkisg, if they don't want to use the terminal, then they are fine using a GUI right? If they use a computer they should know how to read, and what's the first thing the boutique says when you start it? "If you can't find what you're looking for, install one of the software centers"
[09:01] <ouroumov_> So I disagree that it should be installed by default.
[09:02] <ouroumov_> Most people only care about having a web browser anyway.
[09:02] <alkisg> Your argument is that not making it installed by default will make them able to read?!
[09:03] <Qommand0r> reading is quite essential in using an OS
[09:03] <Qommand0r> without reading ability, a user is almost completely lost, having to navigate on pictograms/icons alone
[09:04] <Qommand0r> the icon sets don't offer that level of abstractly comprehensible meaning
[09:04] <Qommand0r> therefore, it's necessary to perform some reading
[09:05] <Qommand0r> hence, we have to assume the average user is aware of the concept of language and able to employ it to some degree
[09:05] <Qommand0r> reading or not is a choice
[09:07] <Qommand0r> if someone errs by not reading something, then it's self-inflicted damage
[09:07] <Qommand0r> or well, this is my opinion on it
[09:07]  * SuperEngineer reads definition of "brevity" ;-)
[09:10] <oleh> I have a problem: i can't launch the Terminal through Ctrl+Alt+T.
[09:11] <oleh> How to bind it back?
[09:11] <alkisg> Qommand0r: I don't think "users should be able to read" is an argument to support not having a GUI for installing all available packages
[09:13] <alkisg> Putting a warning "hey, we don't have an app that installs all packages, but you can find it there" is indeed useful information for the users, but it would be best if the warning was not needed in the first place
[09:58] <Amis> Is it normal that using Marco whenever I click an item on the bottom taskbar it just doesn't go there?
[09:58] <Amis> I have to manually search my workspaces for the window
[09:58] <Amis> I'm using a 2x3 setup
[10:00] <Amis> Example: I'm on workspace 6 doing work and Skype (that is on workspace 2) flashes and appears on the bottom taskbar. I click on it and absolutely nothin happens. In Compiz it takes me to the appropriate workspace
[10:09] <ouroumov_> Yeah in Compton too I think
[10:10] <ouroumov_> You should mention it on the forums.
[12:40] <r3pt1l3> Hello guys. I'm trying to install ubuntu mate right now but I'm getting this error:
[12:40] <r3pt1l3> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[12:40] <r3pt1l3> and the installation is pretty much stuck
[12:41] <r3pt1l3> any help would be greatly appreciated ! :D
[12:41] <ouroumov__> hi r3pt1l3
[12:41] <r3pt1l3> Hey
[12:42] <ouroumov__> r3pt1l3, what iso are you using? 16.04.1?
[12:42] <r3pt1l3> Yes, 64
[12:45] <r3pt1l3> I logged in as root and purged overlay-scrollbar as suggested on a troubleshoot forum
[12:45] <r3pt1l3> was that a good idea? Nothing yet though
[12:46] <r3pt1l3> I guess it did not work: Package 'overlay-scrollbar' is not installed, so not removed
[12:47] <ouroumov__> are you going through the live session first or do you start in install mode?
[12:49] <r3pt1l3> Install mode.
[12:51] <ouroumov__> r3pt1l3, the machine has a dedicated GPU?
[12:51] <r3pt1l3> Yes
[12:52] <r3pt1l3> I've chosen to install the 3rd party software before installation if that helps
[12:52] <r3pt1l3> not updates though
[12:52] <ouroumov__> try adding the "nomodeset" parameter to the boot command line.
[12:55] <r3pt1l3> Do I have to go back to the beginning? or do I just type it in command line?
[12:57] <r3pt1l3> Be right back.
[13:49] <evalde> I've been having quite a few problems with my Ubuntu MATE machine ever since I installed the OS two days ago. Could I run some questions by you guys?
[13:50] <ouroumov__> sure
[13:52] <SuperEngineer> we hold breath & wait... & wait.... & wait
[13:55] <evalde> 1. When I shut my laptop and let it go to sleep then log back in, my wifi stays connected but the logo in the top right goes to empty and nothing is listed when i click the logo. 2. When I shut my laptop to let it sleep then login again, the URL bar of chromium will totally glitch out flashing black making it unusable. 3. It is taking a long time to open up programs and even files like my "home" after double
[13:55] <evalde> clicking on them. a few seconds at least.      Both problems 1 and 2 are reset/fixed on startup, 3 is constant.
[13:58] <evalde> Last time chromium glitched out, I reinstalled it but there was no change.
[14:07] <Akuli> 1. sleep or hibernate? 2. sleep or hibernate? 3. how much ram do you have?
[14:11] <evalde> 2 GB of ram with a 2GB partitioned dump
[14:11] <Akuli> you mean swap?
[14:11] <evalde> yes
[14:12] <evalde> and i believe it is sleep because it makes me relog upon opening back up
[14:12] <Akuli> that doesn't make a difference at all
[14:12] <Akuli> go to your power settings and check which it is
[14:13] <evalde> where could i find that
[14:13] <Akuli> try to find it
[14:13] <Akuli> system, preferences, power
[14:15] <evalde> power is not showing up
[14:15] <Akuli> i don't know what its called in english
[14:16] <Akuli> maybe its power management preferences or something
[14:16] <Akuli> or right-click the battery icon in top right, and go to preferences
[14:16] <evalde> Suspend when lid is closed
[14:17] <Akuli> what other options do you have?
[14:20] <evalde> do nothing, blank screen, shutdown
[14:38] <Akuli> oh right
[14:38] <Akuli> in ubuntu, hibernating is disabled by default
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> [because most bears don't use computers]
[15:42] <nick__> Test
[15:42] <nick__> Does any one know how to text message from pidgeon?
[15:44] <nick__> Im trying to text message a phone # from my computer
[15:44] <nick__> I do not know if I have the correct information
[15:44] <nick__> in the username
[18:09] <waltersraspberry> hi
[18:25] <ripcruel> hey some1 here know cisco virl software ?
[18:28] <Akuli> last time i tried a cisco product on linux i couldn't get it to work at all
[18:46] <ripcruel> me2 XD
[19:02] <raphael_> hi
[19:03] <raphael_> is there any way to make the notifications stick to the right so theres no gap when lets say hexchat closes?
[19:04] <raphael_> by default it behaves that way, but as soon as you move it, it doesnt do it anymore...
[20:49] <ubuntu-mate> having an issue having the boot menu recognize ubuntu. loads straight to windows seven
[20:53] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: did this happen right after the installation?
[20:54] <ubuntu-mate> yes, i deleted the partition and trying it over again. i am a beginner at this and google isnt helping much
[20:54] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: what's the output of this command? sudo parted -l
[20:58] <alkisg> Anyway, if the installer gives you an error message about not being able to install grub, don't reboot; mention the error message here and wait for help before rebooting
[20:59] <ubuntu-mate> do i need to create a "swap" partition
[22:56] <q_> hi
[22:57] <ouroumov__> hi q_
[22:58] <q_> just upgraded to 16.04 on thinkpad x230 and have a few issues
[22:58] <q_> sound keys don't seem to work
[22:59] <q_> also keyboard backlight is turned on at boot
[22:59] <q_> anyone else having these problems
[23:06] <gtdo> hola
[23:06] <gtdo> Hello
[23:06] <gtdo> there is one?
[23:08] <ouroumov__> hi gtdo
[23:09] <gtdo> How are u?
[23:09] <gtdo> u are a human or computer?
[23:09] <ouroumov__> human
[23:10] <gtdo> good!
[23:10] <gtdo> I am new in this operating system, but I like it
[23:11] <ouroumov__> Everything OK so far?
[23:11] <gtdo> Can I speak with a friend mine?
[23:11] <ouroumov__> With a what?
[23:11] <gtdo> frend
[23:12] <ouroumov__> Yeah, I still don't understand your question.
[23:12] <gtdo> Ok
[23:12] <gtdo> wait please
[23:13] <gtdo> this is created just talk with you?
[23:14] <ouroumov__> No gtdo
[23:14] <ouroumov__> gtdo, this is a permanent chatroom open to everyone.
[23:15] <gtdo> aa Ok
[23:15] <gtdo> Thanks
[23:15] <gtdo> Bye, you are a super adviser
[23:32] <Langley> Help, sometimes when unplugging/plugging an external monitor to my laptop, the screen(s) goes crazy with rainbow snow or blinking, fan goes to 100% and I can only force shut down. 16.04
[23:35] <ouroumov__> hi Langley, can you switch to tty1 when that happens (CTRL+ALT+F1)
[23:36] <Langley> No, nothing
[23:37] <ouroumov__> Sounds like a kernel/graphics driver issue, probably not restricted to Ubuntu MATE. Maybe you can ask on #ubuntu ?
[23:38] <Langley> Okay, thanks