[06:03] <mapps> morning
[07:13] <dwatkins> allo
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:26] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[09:36] <diddledan> mernign
[09:37] <Seeker`> good moaning
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Internauts Day! 😃
[09:41] <BigRedS> Internaut? You're making that up
[09:46] <SuperEngineer> Sounds much like "web designer" - an incorrectness because there was only one "web designer".
[09:47] <SuperEngineer> "I'm a web designer"... No!  "I'm a web site builder"... yes [maybe] ;-)
[09:49] <popey> bigcalm: car gone yet?
[09:49] <BigRedS> yeah, just wikipediad it and in France it just means anybody who uses the Internet
[09:49] <SuperEngineer> ...and *real* web builders are arachnoid anyway - I'll get my coat now.  ;-)
[09:50] <bigcalm> popey: no :( But I do have a 64gb micro sd card in my opx now..
[09:52] <diddledan> I'm a web developer. not a designer, nor a site builder, though I do create sites
[09:52] <diddledan> nomenclature is difficult
[09:52] <diddledan> as is naming things
[09:53] <bigcalm> popey: running everything from the micro sd card - is this something one sets up after installing CM13?
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: the first part makes sense [you're a spider],the last part makes it read "I design homes for Wimpey".
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> I assume neither are true :-D
[09:56] <diddledan> lmao
[09:56] <diddledan> I thought wimpy were a fast-food restaurant chain :-p
[09:57] <SuperEngineer> lol
[09:59] <SuperEngineer> [though some would say Wimpy was a major part of Ubuntu Mate]
[09:59] <bigcalm> I enjoyed their bacon rolls when I went to summer school to learn about C (many many many moons ago)
[10:08] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[10:08] <popey> bigcalm: however, it seems I am using both storages now
[10:08] <bigcalm> popey: interesting
[10:08] <bigcalm> I wonder if I should decrypt my phone before moving over to CM
[10:09] <bigcalm> Not sure it should make any difference though
[10:19] <popey> i think in some update I have applied, it now sees both storage types
[10:20] <popey> unless it's undone what I did to move everythin to sd
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: gotcha covered a song by the internet made popular by the internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmY8mG4_3j4
[10:24] <davmor2> JamesTait: it was about as internety as I could get with one song ;)
[10:26] <diddledan> I would listen to it but there's a bar steward outside with a mower or something
[10:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: although I nearly hit you with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE but then realised you had it bookmarked already ;) along with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ which you have to admit is made popular by the internauts :)
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: equally the last one applies to the internauts too :D
[10:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: just had a brainwave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k07cflKCl-Y&list=PL6E1AC915A0204BC0 and I know you and diddledan will listen to that :)
[10:30] <diddledan> ooh yeah, now we're talking
[10:32] <diddledan> why is it that we know how terrible that movie is at depicting computers and such yet we love it so much?
[10:34] <diddledan> remember, folks, risc is the future
[10:35] <diddledan> yeah, risc is good
[10:35] <davmor2> diddledan: more worryingly we know how accurate antitrust is and we don't like it as much as hackers
[10:37] <diddledan> davmor2: I guess it's something to do with binary, we're either alive or dead
[10:37] <davmor2> diddledan: even though antitrust is also a little far fetched too :D
[10:37] <bigcalm> popey: CM13 is nightly only that I can see. How often do you update? I got a bit tired of doing it so frequently on my SGS5
[10:38] <davmor2> diddledan: nothing at all to do with a young Angelina Jolie of course though right
[10:38] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/r3cM5P8tUhc?t=26
[10:39] <diddledan> oh no, not at all. not even in a red leather one-piece
[10:39]  * diddledan zones-out
[10:41] <davmor2> diddledan: admittedly he does make a really good bad guy :)
[10:41] <diddledan> yup
[10:41] <diddledan> he does the inspirational speeches well, too
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: look even old films are on about convergence ;)
[11:19] <diddledan> oh dear. just got a message from someone at my old job letting me know he's found a bug in a site I helped develop, where the site is spending ~65% of time on a single line of code I wrote
[11:20] <diddledan> I failed hard by the sounds
[11:31] <davmor2> diddledan: I bet the made changes that caused it ;)
[11:34] <diddledan> lol
[12:04] <diddledan> http://www.thefuntheory.com/
[12:19] <bigcalm> popey: did you have any trouble getting your OPX to show up with adb devices?
[12:23] <diddledan> http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/InternetTube_v2-01.png
[12:24] <popey> bigcalm: not once I enabled it and used a good cable
[12:25] <diddledan> that's a good map
[12:25] <diddledan> shows a lot of south america only has one link out
[12:26] <bigcalm> popey: okay, ta. I shall dig some more
[12:26] <diddledan> auso aus only has two links
[12:26] <diddledan> same with jpn (surprisingly)
[12:27] <diddledan> aus could do with a link to south america methinks
[12:28] <diddledan> that would reduce the latin america's dependency on a single link and improve australia's own redundancy
[12:29]  * diddledan single-handedly solves the internets
[12:32] <bigcalm> popey: the phone to show up with the help of http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/android/339-android-oneplustwo-oneplusx-enable-adb-mtp-detection-ubuntu-trusty
[12:35] <foobarry> in spite of CM13 setting saying "wifi always on while sleep", seems not to work :(
[13:15] <popey> bigcalm: all done?
[13:16] <bigcalm> Well, it took my entire lunch break, but it's now booting into CM (at least I have the CM logo and expanding circle of the boot screen)
[13:16] <bigcalm> Now preparing apps 22 of 113
[13:16] <bigcalm> Successful I think
[13:18] <popey> neato
[13:19] <popey> my android phone has a notification light. i have no idea what the various flashing lights mean
[13:21] <moggers57> it blinks the light to let you know it wants more charging :-)
[13:21] <diddledan> blinkin' flashy!
[13:22] <diddledan> shed some light on the matter to illuminate the reader
[13:23] <diddledan> I'm full of bright ideas like that
[13:23] <moggers57> we've all got our blinking, flashing and beeping lights... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1WemnsB98o
[13:24] <diddledan> good movie
[13:26] <bigcalm> popey: moving everything over to the sd card was easy enough. Thanks for letting me know about it
[13:27] <popey> np
[13:32] <davmor2> moggers57: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[13:32] <moggers57> i'm aware of it's existince... :-)
[13:34] <davmor2> moggers57: just more blinkenlights
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> moggers57 is obviously aware on all channels!  :-D
[13:36] <SuperEngineer> [ moggers57 alone will understand that ]
[13:38] <TwistedLucidity> I am aware of moggers57 awareness
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> lol
[13:38] <moggers57> i'm aware that you're aware that i'm aware
[13:40]  * SuperEngineer worries some humans have become cross channel aware... contacts home planet and considers action
[13:41] <moggers57> once brexit kicks in cross channel awareness will dip... :-P
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> roflmfa
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> roflmfo even
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> roflmfao even even
[13:43] <SuperEngineer> [sorry, recieving instructions from home planet & telling them what they can do with it is distracting]
[13:54] <Azelphur> This new AMD Zen stuff looks interesting... been thinking of upgrading my desktop, might hold off
[13:54] <Azelphur> 8 core, 16 threads... >:)
[13:54] <ali1234> why bother with AMD at this point?
[13:54] <ali1234> just buy intel
[13:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: they claim to be beating out Intel
[13:55] <ali1234> yeah right
[13:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: they've shown a benchmark result too
[13:55] <ali1234> so?
[13:55] <ali1234> benchmarks are terrible
[13:55] <popey> lolMD
[13:56] <ali1234> prediction: it will beat an i7 in one specific benchmark, use 600W, and in the real world it will be bottlenecked by terrible memory bus speeds
[13:56] <ali1234> you know, like every AMD CPU ever
[13:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: hope not, I like what AMD is doing in the open source world, really want an excuse to give AMD money
[13:57] <ali1234> lol
[13:58] <ali1234> you like that they keep stringing everyone along with promises that they are never going to deliver?
[13:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol, there is that possibility :)
[13:58] <ali1234> they've been doing it now for 10 years
[13:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: that said I did find an excuse to buy an AMD 390, it's a tad cheaper than the 1060 and performs about 93% of that in various game benchmarks, but it has twice the RAM and supports crossfire
[13:59] <ali1234> >_<
[13:59] <ali1234> crossfire is dumb
[13:59] <ali1234> should have just bought a 1080
[13:59] <Azelphur> lol
[13:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, a 1080 would have literally cost more than the entire budget for the build
[13:59] <Azelphur> not my machine :)
[14:01] <ali1234> two 390 costs the same as a 780Ti
[14:01] <ali1234> guess which one is better
[14:02] <ali1234> for that matter a 980Ti is even cheaper
[14:02] <moggers57> ah the joy of not been a pc gamer anymore... :-D
[14:03] <popey> peasant
[14:03] <moggers57> i'd like a nice pheasent about now...
[14:03] <popey> nom nom
[14:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: well the point was one 390 now and maybe another one later
[14:04] <Azelphur> when they are not worth much
[14:07] <diddledan> apparently I'm in Scotland. and missing: http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/our-region/falkirk-district/stenhousemuir/stenhousemuir-man-missing-1-4209568
[14:07] <diddledan> I hope he's found ok
[14:08] <Azelphur> diddledan: wat
[14:09] <DJones> diddledan: From the links on the same page you've been found http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/our-region/falkirk-district/stenhousemuir/missing-man-found-safe-and-sound-1-4210030
[14:09] <diddledan> yey, go me
[14:10] <moggers57> still not a patch on the japanese tourist who was listed as missing and turned up helping search for herself... http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/08/28/tourist-joins-search-and-rescue-operation-to-find-herself-Iceland/
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> On the subject of "the lost": http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/pokemon-go-sheds-more-than-10m-users/
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> [perhaps they're all in hospital from head on lamp post injuries?]
[14:32] <moggers57> they're waiting for the release of a phone that will last all day unaided playing that game?
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[15:32] <nucc1> is it possible to make linux ignore tcp keepalive probes?
[15:33] <nucc1> i went as far as to make a small C program where i explicitly set the SO_KEEPALIVE option to 0 on the socket, yet, it still acks when it gets a keepalive packet
[15:53] <nucc1> gah. my question answered. keepalives are not a special thing.
[16:07] <daftykins> Deus Ex just unlocked on Steam \o/
[16:14] <bigcalm> That was a very long video
[16:15] <bigcalm> I don't need to play it now
[16:16] <daftykins> i thought it was cooling down, yet i find it's 27 deg C here today >_<
[16:19] <daftykins> ah har that guy uses bigv
[16:19]  * daftykins used to
[16:20] <bigcalm> Digital Ocean made Bytemark terribly expensive
[16:20] <bigcalm> !rat
[16:20] <daftykins> yeah i moved
[16:21] <bigcalm> It's a shame as they are nice people at Bytemark
[16:22] <daftykins> yeah, support seemed quite good whilst i was there
[16:28] <ali1234> is there an ntp suite in debian that doesn't depend on perl?
[19:17] <diddledan> ali1234: openntpd doesn't according to the package meta: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), init-system-helpers (>= 1.18~), adduser, netbase
[19:17] <ali1234> yeah, found it... it doesn't seem to work though
[19:18] <ali1234> it doesn't set the clock unless i run it manually.. even though it gets started as a service
[19:18] <diddledan> it'll not set the clock directly - it skews the clock to maintain the time over long periods
[19:19] <ali1234> that's a problem because the system clock will be set to 1970 at boot
[19:19] <ali1234> the regular ntp package handles this okay, but it is 32MB
[19:19] <diddledan> it maintains a drift file which records how much the system clock changes over time when compared to upstream
[19:19] <ali1234> openntpd is like 10kB or something
[19:19] <diddledan> you want ntpdate to set the clock on boot
[19:20] <ali1234> openntpd can do it but only if you supply the right options to it
[19:20] <ali1234> i'm not sure if it handles if up/down either
[19:20] <ali1234> also the network wont be up at boot
[19:21] <ali1234> i guess i'll just have to deal with the 32MB of dependencies
[19:22] <ali1234> also i need to figure out some way of creating a wpa_supplicant.conf during boot
[19:24] <daftykins> this one of those automated devices to send a client use-cases?
[19:24] <diddledan> why is twitter full of people reposting "omgzor huge bsod!1!" messages?
[19:24] <ali1234> yes
[19:24] <daftykins> and it has to be wireless? :(
[19:24] <ali1234> yes
[19:25] <ali1234> also it runs from a ramdisk
[19:25] <ali1234> no changes to the root filesystem = they cant break it
[19:25] <ali1234> i don't want to bake their wifi password in though
[19:26] <daftykins> what type of device is it?
[19:26] <ali1234> raspberry pi 3
[19:26] <ali1234> the application is a "magic mirror"
[19:26] <daftykins> ah yeah, my one running picoreplayer uses a similar setup to run the music streamer
[19:27] <daftykins> even has a little web admin where config changes write out then ask to reboot to enact them, as it too runs from RAM
[19:27] <ali1234> yeah i can save the config onto the fat partition
[19:27] <ali1234> but i need something to restore it at the next boot
[19:31] <ali1234> i guess i need to write a systemd unit
[21:18] <daftykins> weird nick
[21:18] <moggers57> might have loads of recipies for leg of lamb...
[21:19] <daftykins> :D
[21:19] <daftykins> my my, a nick change!
[21:19] <moggers57> to annoy someone in another channel... :-)
[21:19] <daftykins> haha, the nicest of motivations
[21:20] <daftykins> oh my, still 24 deg C outside at 10pm
[21:20] <moggers57> i could annoy for ireland at the olympics... and take home platinum... :-D
[21:21] <moggers57> not as good as my brother mind, but enough for online trolls and fun and games...
[21:21] <daftykins> remind me to call on your services when #kodi gets another one!
[21:22] <moggers57> the best rule is to use the words of the troll against them.  it's funnier that way
[21:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:56] <daftykins> lo
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I  am watching the kind of thing I woudn't normally watch on TV
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but this thing is partly relevent to me so
[21:58] <daftykins> said thing must be enjoyable!
[22:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, it was ok