[06:52] <flocculant> sakrecoer: I've triggered a rebuild of your iso - apparently gnupg1 isn't showing, if that doesn't show signs of movement in an hour or so you'll need to find someone to sort out the tracker for you in -release
[07:50] <sakrecoer> thank you flocculant ! \o/
[08:51] <sakrecoer> it failed again..
[08:51] <sakrecoer> kactivitymanagerd : Breaks: kactivities (< 5.20~) but 5.18.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:55] <sakrecoer> plasma framework and calligra (scribus?) seem to require it if under stand the germinate thing right.
[08:57] <sakrecoer> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntustudio.yakkety/all
[10:24] <zequence> sakrecoer: plasma-framework is pulled in because of kactivities, while kactivitymanagerd is pulled in by plasma-framework
[10:24] <zequence> sakrecoer: Check with the Kubuntu team. Perhaps they will know more
[10:25] <zequence> They do the packaging of those packages, most probably.
[10:26] <zequence> Logic (if mine is sound) dictates that they should be having a problem as well
[10:41] <sakrecoer> < Laney> sakrecoer: libkactivities6 has a Recommends  on kactivities, which is a package that  kactivities-kf5 has dropped
[10:42] <sakrecoer> zequence: that is what i was told in -release.. also just got suggested to reach out to kubuntu-dev
[10:49] <zequence> ok
[10:57] <zequence> ardour is already in the archive
[10:57] <zequence> So, updating seeds and our meta
[11:18] <sakrecoer> looks like its night time in kubuntu...
[11:18] <sakrecoer> oh.. could be lunch too...
[11:20] <zequence> Should be lots of Europeans in there. Think KDE was most popular in Germany, at least in the past
[11:26] <sakrecoer> just got a response :) apparaently yofel need to look into it, and he will back this evening... 
[15:59] <flocculant> I'll let simon guide you then - works for me :)
[15:59] <flocculant> I can just smoketest if needed
[16:02] <flocculant> which is useful as gnome asked for help from me via someone else ... 
[16:06] <sakrecoer> thank you flocculant :) you are a peamond!
[16:06] <sakrecoer> woo
[16:06] <sakrecoer> i ment diamond
[16:07] <sakrecoer> weird... my irssi shell get banans as soon as i type a non standard character...
[16:07] <flocculant> :)
[16:08] <sakrecoer> Ã¤wanted to put it in swedish first, we say "you are a perl"
[16:08] <flocculant> perl or pearl :p
[16:08] <sakrecoer> hmm.... good quesiton :D
[16:08] <sakrecoer> the shiny ones that grow from sand in sea shells
[16:08] <flocculant> software or oyster irritation :D
[16:08] <sakrecoer> obviously not in irssi shels :D
[16:08] <flocculant> \o/
[16:08] <sakrecoer> hahahahaa!
[16:09] <flocculant> I love being an irritation :p
[16:09] <sakrecoer> i never thought of ti like that :D
[16:09] <flocculant> trust me to ;)
[16:11] <sakrecoer> :D
[17:13] <sakrecoer> so it seems Krita is the responsible for pulling in kactivitymanagerd
[17:13] <sakrecoer> a memeber of Kubuntu-devel said krita and caligra needed to be updated..
[17:14] <sakrecoer> asked if we had a MOTU member, or "someone who can upload stuff"... i reckon that would be you zequence ? how to update it, i don't know..
[17:16] <sakrecoer> the log isn't up to date as of now... but it starts here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/23/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t16:12
[17:17] <zequence> sakrecoer: I can't upload anything beyond our own packages
[17:17] <sakrecoer> ok..
[17:17] <zequence> By our own, I mean packages starting with "ubuntustudio"
[17:17] <zequence> Our own original source, that is
[17:18] <sakrecoer> it seems krita didn't make it into yakkety...
[17:18] <zequence> Kubuntu used to have plenty of uploaders in the past, but I guess they have suffered a bit since their last project lead was forced down
[17:18] <zequence> What do you mean, didn't make it?
[17:19] <sakrecoer> well.. the latest krita isn't there... needs to be uploaded, if i understand clivejo correctly...
[17:20] <zequence> Since they are in charge of those packages (the Kubuntu package set), it is their job to make sure those are working and functional
[17:20] <zequence> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/yakkety/kubuntu
[17:21] <zequence> Hmm, Krita is not in there it seems
[17:21] <zequence> It's a KDE app, but I guess since they don't include it by default
[17:21] <zequence> What exactly is needed then? Is the package updated in Debian (in that case one can do a request-sync)?
[17:22] <zequence> Our package set is not updated. But, none of us has upload rights to that yet, so
[17:22] <zequence> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/yakkety/ubuntustudio
[17:23] <sakrecoer> i don't know what exactly is needed i'm affraid...
[17:23] <zequence> Well, which version of Krita and Caligra are needed?
[17:23] <sakrecoer> clivejo suggested we do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[17:23] <zequence> And, to check which versions are in Debian, you can use rmadison, like so: rmadison -u debian caligra
[17:23] <sakrecoer> supposidly version 3
[17:24] <sakrecoer> hmm... "rmadison -u debian caligra" returned nothing 
[17:24] <zequence> Well, yes, you always need to create a bug when you need someone to sponsor your upload
[17:24] <sakrecoer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23082515/
[17:25] <zequence> sakrecoer: That's cause there's no package named caligra. Which is the right name?
[17:25] <sakrecoer> caligra is the old name i think...
[17:25] <zequence> For what?
[17:25] <zequence> Try the command with krita, anyway
[17:25] <zequence> rmadison -u debian krita
[17:26] <zequence> Seems the version in unstable is 2.8.5
[17:26] <sakrecoer> old name for krita
[17:26] <zequence> No, sorry. There's nothing in unstable. Weird
[17:27] <zequence> It may have been removed from unstable because of a critical bug that was never fixed
[17:27] <sakrecoer> yeah... tsimonq2 stepped in and said he was in the mood for "bribing a sponsor"...
[17:28] <zequence> calligra is the old name, not caligra
[17:28] <zequence> Or, it is a suite (Calligra)
[17:29] <zequence> calligra only exists as source in unstable.
[17:29] <zequence> Well, this would be a good time to learn more about where packages are, and why they aren't where they should be
[17:29] <zequence> Question is where to find the cause, and how to solve the problem
[17:31] <sakrecoer> perhaps you should join in the #kubuntu-devel discussion, zequence ?
[17:50] <sakrecoer> zequence: now that we are back at US, maybe we should let kubuntu be..? but perhaps, lets stay in there if they get back to us?
[17:51] <sakrecoer> thanks for stepping in though :)
[17:52] <sakrecoer> ...there is only so much i can forward blindfolded...
[17:52] <zequence> There's plenty for me left to learn as well. Like, finding out why a package was dropped from Debian, and why it is not maintained
[17:52] <zequence> Always possible for someone to step in and do some packaging work
[17:52] <zequence> Ross may be interested in doing that
[17:53] <zequence> I think he is kind of eager to get more hands on experience with that, though he may not have all the time in the world
[18:09] <zequence> Rosco2: Hi
[18:09] <zequence> Just answered your post on the mail list
[18:10] <Rosco2> ok - just reading
[18:10] <sakrecoer> hi Rosco2 o/
[18:11] <Rosco2> Hi
[18:11] <zequence> The build problems we have this cycle must beat some kind of a record
[18:11] <zequence> At least for us
[18:12] <sakrecoer> :D kindof reliefed to read that though...
[18:13] <sakrecoer> but until we have it packaged, should we drop it?
[18:13] <zequence> If krita is not fixed, it may even need to be removed from the archive (along with the whole calligra suite) - since it is in fact not being maintained currently, as it seems
[18:14] <zequence> Yes, we should drop it from our seeds, and update the meta, so we can get our ISO built and tested
[18:14] <sakrecoer> i'm for that, at least for now...
[18:14] <sakrecoer> we still have mypaint which is pretty good in fact...
[18:15] <Rosco2> I will drop it from the seeds now, and trigger a build to confirm
[18:15] <zequence> Rosco2: Let me update the meta before you rebuild
[18:17] <sakrecoer> you can't really compare krita and mypaint, but... if we don't make it till final, we can hide between the argument that it is to encourage the use of snap, and if someone pull the "nvidia not working with snap" card, we can blame it on nvidia not being open :p
[18:17] <zequence> Rosco2: Would you be interested in updating the calligra source? I get the feeling you would like to do that kind of work, though it is a bit of a challenge taking on something like that.
[18:18] <zequence> I haven't done that kind of thing myself yet. Think the debian wiki is fairly informative about the git procedures
[18:18] <zequence> I might be able to do it. Just got sick (for the first time in 1 1/2 years). So, will be at home at least for one more day.
[18:19] <zequence> There's always the chance that there are a lot of details one needs to understand and deal with, before finishing the update. Then, of course, one needs a sponsor to get it pushed
[18:19] <zequence> But, perhaps the pkg-kde team could use some help, and are eager to get more people involved. So, could be simple enoughto get rights
[18:20] <zequence> ..also, the upload after dealing with the source. Lot's of stops and turns.
[18:23] <Rosco2> Just pushed the seed update
[18:24] <Rosco2> Will do what it takes to help out. But I don't like to take on something with bugs if there is no support upstream.
[18:25] <zequence> Rosco2: Ok, will take some time to update the meta. Actually, might not be built and published in the archive for a bit of time
[18:25] <zequence> Might be best to wait until morning with a rebuild, come to think of it
[18:25] <zequence> Rosco2: upstream is ok. Krita, at least. Not sure what Calligra actually means
[18:26] <flocculant> zequence: won't be a rebuild unless someone physically does so from the tracker
[18:26] <zequence> Krita is past version 3, but last published version in Debian was 2.8 (the git repo is at 2.9, but never uploaded)
[18:27] <zequence> flocculant: Yes, but we need to update some stuff before we do one
[18:28] <flocculant> zequence: yes - was just making sure people knew :)
[18:28] <Rosco2> Never worked out if the Live CD takes the metapackage state, or the germinate output directly
[18:30] <zequence> Rosco2: Not sure exactly either, but one would think that things may go wrong during installation at least, if the meta is not up to date
[18:30] <Rosco2> Makes sense
[18:31] <Rosco2> Might trigger a build anyway as a test once germinate is up to date. We can do another once the meta is done to be sure
[18:31] <zequence> Rosco2: Sure
[18:32] <Rosco2> Would check it more scientifically - but I am multitasking here :-)
[18:33] <zequence> Rosco2: How about applying for upload rights? Not sure how much packaging you have done, but I'm fairly sure you have done more than me. Either you apply for the specific packages (which is a list of our own packages), or for our package set (which needs to be updated before you apply)
[18:33] <sakrecoer> flocculant: where on the tracker does the rebuld triggering happens?
[18:33] <zequence> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/yakkety/ubuntustudio
[18:34] <zequence> sakrecoer: You need to login as a member of the -release team, in order to be able to do it
[18:34] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: from the discussion with jbicha yesterday, i think i understood that it takes sometime for the germinate process to pick up changes in seed... but yeah... you want to double check that information, comming from me..
[18:34] <Rosco2> We could try PPU rights for us-* packages with your support
[18:35] <zequence> Rosco2: I would prefer that. So, you have my support.
[18:35] <Rosco2> I tried to become a Contributor, but was turned down
[18:35] <zequence> Ok. Why?
[18:35] <Rosco2> ANd that was wothout upload rights :-)
[18:35] <Rosco2> NO support from sponsors was the reason
[18:35] <zequence> Ah
[18:36] <Rosco2> Holidays is my excuse
[18:36] <zequence> Yes, in that regard, I am of some help, but not as much as I would like to be.
[18:36] <Rosco2> Didn't chase up
[18:36] <zequence> I mean, I'm not exactly a veteran at packaging. More of a do-it-when-it-needs-to-be-done
[18:37] <Rosco2> sakrecoer, You need to log in to tracker as member of us-release team
[18:37] <Rosco2> Then you will find the option at the bopttom of the screen
[18:38] <sakrecoer> zequence, Rosco2: ok, i am a memer of us-release, so you guys can discharge on me if needed.. i wouldn't dare press any buttons there without consulting you first anyways.
[18:38] <Rosco2> Whoops I am repeating
[18:38] <sakrecoer> :) better than risking things left unsaid, Rosco2 
[18:39] <zequence> sakrecoer: The buttons are for you to press. If you need a rebuild, and one is not already happening, just press the buttons.
[18:39] <Rosco2> Yeah its best that one person does it - incase we confuse the build machine
[18:39] <zequence> The tracker lets you know if a rebuild is on the way
[18:39] <zequence> Sometimes the rebuilds may choke. It's not a perfect
[18:40] <Rosco2> You can always ask for someone in the release team to log in a fix it - if we ever ¤%& up
[18:40] <zequence> At least we know we can depend on Rosco2 to make sure the releases are happning
[18:41] <zequence> I mean, he is taking responsibility of the release procedure, very much. But, we who have rights can always chip in as well, if we feel we need to, is what I mean
[18:43] <Rosco2> Yeah - all seemed to go OK when I was on hols
[18:44] <sakrecoer> :)
[18:44] <sakrecoer> thanks guys, good to know all this
[18:51] <Rosco2> Bug #1616175
[18:54] <sakrecoer> thanks Rosco2 ! :)
[18:59] <zequence> is krita installable at all, right now?
[19:00] <sakrecoer> zequence: in yakkety, i don't know. i erased the partition for 14.04.5 since then everytime i've tried install has failed.
[19:00] <sakrecoer> in xenial, yes.
[19:02] <zequence> The krita problem should only have happened quite recently, as some other packages were updated but not krita (or, the calligra source)
[19:03] <Rosco2> VM still installing. Will try installing krita when done
[19:03] <Rosco2> Just ammusing myself looking at the 3 release critical bugs for krita in Debian
[19:04] <zequence> Not sure what is going on with the Kubuntu deal. Someone is packaging krita, and trying to get it into Debian, but has no interest in Debian.
[19:04] <Rosco2> It apears there are non-free files in the package
[19:04]  * sakrecoer slaps the copyright realm with a large bass
[19:04] <zequence> Rosco2: I was trying to find bugs like that myself, earlier.
[19:05] <zequence> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=krita;dist=unstable
[19:06] <zequence> Am I missing something?
[19:08] <Rosco2> Try https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=calligra&archive=no&pend-exc=pending-fixed&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious&repeatmerged=yes
[19:08] <zequence> Right, of course. Calligra, not Krita
[19:09] <zequence> It's a mess
[19:09] <Rosco2> All looks fixable. But will take time to work with upstream, and get latest into Debian first
[19:10] <zequence> A lesson for the future: keep track of packages that were removed from Debian ustable :)
[19:11] <Rosco2> Yes - I want to write some little scripts to do that. Can check for required merges as well.
[19:13] <zequence> My apt source checkup tool could probably do that, but it's unfinished and a little bit buggy. 
[19:15] <zequence> Well, that's about all I can handle tonight. Will be back tomorrow. Meta just got done, and will upload now.
[19:19] <Rosco2> Thanks
[19:20] <sakrecoer> thank you zequence !
[20:26] <OvenWerks> Both lrita and calligra show release activity this year. No upstream? Unmaintained? sounds odd.
[20:26] <OvenWerks> *krita
[21:11] <Rosco2> Ovenwerks: The problems seem to be QT4/5 conversion, library dependency changes & non-free files in Debian
[21:11] <Rosco2> Upstream have Qt5 version but call it unstable.
[21:12] <Rosco2> We have not stnced from Debian for a long time-. But we are not keeping it up to date either.
[21:14]  * Rosco2 finishes for the day
[21:23] <OvenWerks> we do have qt5, but licence changes would be a killer.