[02:10] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Central Italy ? what ?
[02:10] <OerHeks> earthquake
[02:11] <OerHeks> pope fell out of bed
[02:11] <OerHeks> http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
[02:17] <Bashing-om> And ratteled the dishes :) .
[02:47] <Bashing-om> Outa here guys , yall have fun without me - 'til I return .
[03:45] <tayto> exit
[06:33] <ducasse> morning all
[06:33] <daftykins> heya \o how goes it?
[06:34] <ducasse> hi daftykins! good, thanks - how are you doing?
[06:34] <daftykins> yeah not too bad ta :) sadly got a user claiming i'm being sexist in a help channel though - sigh :(
[06:35] <daftykins> think it's one where the questions i'm asking aren't understood, so it's clearly my fault ;)
[06:35] <ducasse> urgh, i got jumped on by a troll yesterday. all of a sudden he started sending me these really nasty pm's.
[06:36] <daftykins> ah those are nasty
[06:36] <daftykins> or the ones that follow for weeks, blech
[06:36] <daftykins> the "fans" as i think of them ;)
[06:36] <ducasse> :)
[06:37] <ducasse> how's the soldering going?
[06:37] <daftykins> hehe still not done any more!
[06:37] <daftykins> kit is sat there patiently awaiting it though
[06:37] <ducasse> but you fixed the caps?
[06:37] <daftykins> sure did, though that board, CPU, RAM and heatsink are just sat with no case to go in as-is
[06:38] <daftykins> it was more just a "what the hell?" kind of job
[06:38] <ducasse> hehe - done plenty of those myself :)
[06:39] <ducasse> i think i've found a small bug in the lxc tools, btw
[06:40] <ducasse> inside one of my containers it reports 350mb used, while lxc-info says >20gb
[06:40] <daftykins> tiny bug! :D
[06:40] <ducasse> i asked in #ubuntu-server, but got no response
[06:40] <daftykins> crikey that's one memory leak alright
[06:40] <daftykins> if real
[06:41] <ducasse> the host clearly is not using >20gb, so i'm thinking it may just be something in the code that keeps track of used mem
[06:42] <daftykins> ah reet
[06:42] <ducasse> i'm wondering whether to upgrade lxc to the version in proposed and test again.
[06:43] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt! with backed up configs anywho :)
[06:43]  * ducasse has btrfs snapshots :)
[06:43] <daftykins> o: look at you
[06:43] <ducasse> this is my 'experimentation' box
[06:44] <daftykins> i'm trying to buy this Dell Outlet laptop for a client since i spotted it last night but their site is broken for that one exact item right now XD
[06:44] <daftykins> phones only open in 75 mins
[06:45] <ducasse> what kind of laptop - xps?
[06:45] <daftykins> yep XPS13 9350, i5 model same as mine for £650 - the site also has a 10% off coupon right now
[06:46] <daftykins> i took it to a client and showed him it, he held it and was sold immediately XD
[06:46] <ducasse> :)
[06:46] <ducasse> good deal, too.
[06:47] <daftykins> Outlet machines are pretty ace, they're £999 normally i think for this spec
[06:47] <ducasse> i'd love one of those, my laptop is an old hp. bit of a wreck, but it works.
[06:47] <daftykins> probably a new model soon for the intel kaby lake chips that are sampling now
[06:47] <daftykins> :D
[06:48] <daftykins> a mate said he'd buy my sandybridge i5 asus, but he hasn't been to get it yet / paid me
[06:48] <ducasse> tried to put in an ssd, but it refused to recognize it because of the blacklist.
[06:48] <daftykins> oh yeah i remember you said, mindblowing - if they're anything like the IBM/Lenovo ones there are folks out there that write modified BIOSs
[06:49] <ducasse> yes, i've got an image that supposedly works, but i daren't try it until i've got a backup machine
[06:50] <daftykins> *nod*
[06:50] <daftykins> still blown away by the old graphics card of mine that made 3 different motherboards think their BIOSs had been corrupted
[06:51] <ducasse> *boggles*
[06:51] <ducasse> that's a new one on me.
[06:51] <daftykins> but only if you unplugged the PSU...
[06:51] <daftykins> (CMOS batteries were fine)
[06:51] <daftykins> also i think that card would still work fine in my skylake desktop
[06:52] <daftykins> oh, are you much of a gamer? the new Deus Ex unlocked yesterday :)
[06:52] <ducasse> no, i don't game much these days :) i stopped about a decade ago :)
[06:52] <daftykins> do you know the series?
[06:53] <ducasse> yes, but the only thing i play is civ5.
[06:53] <daftykins> :D
[06:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/js2uyxhshcacs5m/AABH0SHSl18qLZDDz8-rkdz4a?dl=0
[06:54] <daftykins> i just took a few snaps was all
[06:55] <ducasse> that's seriously pretty...
[06:55] <ducasse> the light in the 2nd snap...
[06:56] <daftykins> it already drops down to 45fps in places despite the new monster hardware!
[06:56] <ducasse> didn't you have a 1070?
[06:56] <daftykins> yep
[06:56] <ducasse> wow
[06:56] <daftykins> i put everything on max @ 1920x1200 first, it was down to 12fps
[06:56] <daftykins> disabled MSAA (12fps was it on 8x) then it became 45+
[06:57] <ducasse> what the hell kind of hardware do they want you to have?
[06:57] <daftykins> hehe
[06:57] <daftykins> only future folks need apply
[06:57] <ducasse> "runs best on cray clusters"
[06:58] <daftykins> you can literally say "wow man that PC is cray"
[06:58] <ducasse> :)
[06:59] <ducasse> i worked for sun norway at one point, we played quake on a sunfire 10000 :)
[06:59] <ducasse> that was fun :)
[06:59] <daftykins> ooooh you know for fun earlier i tried connecting into my old account at Uni, which i graduated in 2008... still worked O_O
[07:00] <daftykins> they used to be sun workstations with solaris on, but it appears they've virtualised that one now and it seemed to be RHEL
[07:00] <ducasse> we had a machine at sun that was for techs to experiment on, that is still running.
[07:01] <ducasse> i think one of them adopted it.
[07:01] <daftykins> hahaha
[07:01] <daftykins> sun guy's son
[07:01] <ducasse> it was an e450 until 6 months ago, now it's rhel.
[07:02] <daftykins> http://toastytech.com/guis/solcdegeneral.png
[07:02] <daftykins> still cringe when i see solaris
[07:03] <ducasse> cde wasn't as bad as openwindows, though
[07:04] <ducasse> one thing i miss is my old nextstation - that was a cool machine
[07:04] <daftykins> hmm skinny looking things
[07:05] <ducasse> the gui was just so nice compared to other unix guis
[07:06] <ducasse> what games do you play other than deus ex?
[07:06] <daftykins> still going on Hitman right now
[07:06] <daftykins> put over 36 hours into that one :D
[07:06] <ducasse> is that the same series that i played 15+ years ago?
[07:06] <daftykins> yep!
[07:07] <ducasse> cool :)
[07:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rmf79i0o8lv9p0t/AACBdJ5gYlc6vBfvzr1w4GQNa?dl=0
[07:08] <daftykins> looks like it might've been sunblade 100's we had in this one lab at uni
[07:08] <daftykins> cringeworthily slow, i sat on the department SSH gateway once XD a network simulation took 3x longer than a machine that wasn't the gateway
[07:09] <daftykins> can only imagine the poor people remoting in at the time must've had one character per minute display...
[07:09] <ducasse> :)
[07:09] <ducasse> seen this? https://www.humblebundle.com/books/joy-of-coding-book-bundle
[07:16] <daftykins> ooh my
[07:16] <daftykins> not sure how i feel about ebooks though
[07:17] <daftykins> i've not learnt anything technical from a book before o0
[07:17] <ducasse> i like paper better, but bought these yesterday. wanted a couple of them, and the price is ok.
[07:18] <ducasse> always wanted to learn lisp :)
[07:18] <daftykins> someone linked to some microsoft guy who'd made a huge list of free ones the other day, so i wget them but a lot are rubbish
[07:18] <daftykins> like single page inserts for 'keyboard shortcuts in $MS_Office_application version #'
[07:19] <ducasse> not very useful, that...
[07:19] <daftykins> hmm lets see i filtered as many as i could down to each product but ended up only with 19 for windows 10
[07:20] <daftykins> and a few of those are two copies in different formats
[07:20] <daftykins> c'moooon 40 mins 'til phone lines open :P
[07:21] <ducasse> hehe, does your client need that machine so badly? :)
[07:21] <ducasse> limited number of them?
[07:21] <daftykins> well i leave the island on the 8th
[07:22] <daftykins> not sure it'll even come in time in fact, but yeah the stock goes quite quickly on the outlet
[07:22] <daftykins> but i also have other things to do which also only open at 9am
[07:23] <ducasse> ic. they should be able to deliver before then, shouldn't they?
[07:24] <daftykins> they tend to dispatch pretty slowly, not sure
[07:26] <ducasse> did you see the pcworld article on amd zen?
[07:27] <ducasse> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html
[07:27] <daftykins> i saw the heavily biased 'benchmark' yeah :)
[07:27] <ducasse> i still have hopes, though. can't hurt if amd gets it's act together.
[07:28] <daftykins> oh it'd be ace if they got back in the game yeah
[07:29] <Ben64> aw yiss
[07:29] <daftykins> just i saw what their claims are like with their latest graphics card release... and was not impressed
[07:29] <Ben64> 32 core cpu :Q_
[07:29] <daftykins> well as the old saying goes, 32 x 0 is not a lot
[07:29] <daftykins> ;)
[07:30] <Ben64> i like amd
[07:30] <Ben64> great multithreaded performance
[07:30] <daftykins> i was under the impression even that hasn't compared for some time
[07:31] <ducasse> i used to love amd, but i wouldn't buy one today..
[07:31] <Ben64> usually have two games running 24/7 in wine, firefox with a ton of tabs, chrome with a ton of tabs, mythtv, transcoding, blah blah
[07:31] <daftykins> oh please browsers don't count
[07:31] <daftykins> :P
[07:31] <Ben64> they do the way i use em
[07:32] <Ben64> ben64    32440 40.0 11.2 3431624 1843612 ?     Sl   Aug18 3407:03 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[07:32] <daftykins> i have a client who keeps a good 8+ Firefox windows open with 30 tabs in each :( lots of repetition, too
[07:33] <ducasse> i've just cleaned up my browser, down to two windows with <10 tabs each. i'm so proud :)
[07:33] <daftykins> he reads the Financial Times website a lot, they used to have this flash advert that would crash it multiple times daily O_O
[07:33] <daftykins> (i didn't have an adblocker on his machine because, being a senior user it was easier not to make things non-standard in the past)
[07:34] <daftykins> haha
[07:34] <ducasse> i have a _serious_ attention span problem, alright? ;)
[07:35] <daftykins> :D whenever i've left tabs open overnight i never feel in the mood come the morning XD
[07:35] <ducasse> half of my tabs tend to be github projects that look 'interesting' :)
[07:35] <daftykins> oooh
[07:37] <daftykins> Ben64: i feel like you would benefit from more than one box ;)
[07:37] <daftykins> i haven't bought AMD for anyone since the Athlon64 :(
[07:37] <Ben64> model name	: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1045T Processor
[07:37] <Ben64> works great for me
[07:37] <Ben64> looking forward to zen
[07:38] <daftykins> you can't say that when you haven't had everything since, though
[07:38] <Ben64> need to get a new case too
[07:38] <daftykins> sure it works, else you'd have replaced it ;)
[07:38] <Ben64> i can say what it works great for me
[07:38] <daftykins> only with a tonne of caveats
[07:39] <daftykins> like "excluding everything that has been released since which outperforms it..."
[07:39] <Ben64> more performance for what
[07:39] <Ben64> i'm never waiting on anything
[07:40] <daftykins> i find this a strange thing to challenge, so i'm going to leave this one alone, sorry
[07:40] <Ben64> cool me too
[07:41] <daftykins> 20 mins gogogo!
[07:41] <Ben64> 20 mins..?
[07:41] <daftykins> waiting for 9am for places i need to call to open
[07:42] <Ben64> oh far away places
[07:42] <daftykins> nah same timezone
[07:42] <Ben64> far away from me
[07:42] <Ben64> 18 mins till 1am
[07:42] <daftykins> :D
[07:42] <daftykins> yep BST here
[07:43] <Ben64> just looks like beastmaster to me
[07:43] <daftykins> o0
[07:43] <Ben64> from FFXI
[07:43] <daftykins> never played any of the franchise
[07:43] <Ben64> jobs are abbreviated with 3 letters, BST is beastmaster
[07:43] <Ben64> ffxi is the online one
[07:43] <ducasse> guessing that's 'british standard time' or something, not 'bullshit time'?
[07:43] <daftykins> ducasse: ;) indeed
[07:44] <Ben64> now i gotta figure out how to save/load stuff in unity3d
[07:44] <Ben64> bleh
[07:44] <daftykins> ducasse: oh that's why i'm rushing, the 10% coupon expires at the end of the month
[07:45] <ducasse> aaah, i see! that's a good reason.
[07:45] <ducasse> i'm on my last week of 250mbps, got it for free over the summer.
[07:45] <daftykins> i didn't sleep so i'm slipping a bit :>
[07:45] <daftykins> d'aww
[07:45] <daftykins> what'll you drop to?
[07:45] <ducasse> 150
[07:46] <daftykins> XD
[07:46] <ducasse> so i'm not crushed or anything.
[07:46] <daftykins> yeah that's definitely not a kick in the teeth
[07:46] <ducasse> just can't justify paying for 250.
[07:47] <daftykins> i'd love more upload than the 5Mb i have
[07:47] <ducasse> i have 20 now, drops to 15. it'd be nice with more.
[07:48] <daftykins> mmm, we always get these people in #kodi that want to play video from their home servers on phones or tablets when out and about - naturally most immediately fall at the upload requirement - transcoded or not
[07:49] <daftykins> users are crazy (:
[07:49] <ducasse> they have weird expectations some times.
[07:53] <ducasse> some guy spamming his new github toy in #ubuntu...
[07:53] <daftykins> smells off topic to me ;)
[07:55] <ducasse> i can't be bothered to confront him, he'll go away soon enough. have you seen the 'antipsychiatry' spammer?
[07:55] <ducasse> that guy is seriously off his meds. 'mossad is remotely monitoring my brain!'
[07:56] <daftykins> lol
[07:56] <daftykins> nope sounds like a common freenode user though ;)
[07:58] <ducasse> less than 12 minutes to go, daftykins :)
[07:58] <daftykins> less than 2!
[07:59] <ducasse> sorry, misread clock :)
[07:59] <daftykins> though you might be more accurate as to when someone would pick up!
[07:59] <ducasse> that might be true.
[08:00] <daftykins> bit puzzled at the opening hours when they're usually in the east anyway...
[08:19] <daftykins> huzzah \o/
[08:19] <daftykins> mission one complete
[08:21] <ducasse> laptop ordered?
[08:21] <daftykins> yep, amusingly the guy tried the site himself and saw the error :D
[08:21] <daftykins> they don't believe me!
[08:22] <ducasse> not even after trying it?
[08:22] <daftykins> only after :> said he reported it to their website team
[08:24] <ducasse> well, job done - even _their_ job :)
[08:24] <daftykins> :D
[08:24] <daftykins> i tried to report a flaw with ebay's UK website a while back, got through 5 different support people but eventually just got blanked
[08:24] <daftykins> utterly useless :)
[08:25] <ducasse> even worse if you try to report security problems...
[08:26] <daftykins> i can sympathise with why those security researchers sometimes have to just publish their findings, they probably try to do the right thing and get the kind of experience i had
[08:27] <ducasse> yes, some even get reported to authorities.
[08:28] <daftykins> figures!
[08:29] <ducasse> i read an article about a guy that found a vuln in the in-flight systems on a plane, the fbi was waiting when they landed.
[08:31] <Ben64> i always poke around in the in flight wifi when i'm bored on a plane
[08:38] <ducasse> you might end up with steel bracelets if you do that too much :)
[08:39] <daftykins> :D
[08:53] <ducasse> another happy customer in #ubuntu, this one even bowed :)
[08:55] <daftykins> crikey
[08:55] <ducasse> he was so excited to get his hwe upgrade fixed :)
[08:56] <daftykins> those things are pretty messy i find
[08:56] <ducasse> he was still on the utopic hwe stack...
[08:56] <daftykins> XD
[08:57] <daftykins> i install from 14.04.1 media and stay on the 3.13 kernel ;)
[08:57] <daftykins> i can understand HWE for desktops and newer hardware support, but for my VMs... nope
[08:58] <ducasse> different scenario, indeed. he wanted the latest x stack etc.
[08:59] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:58] <OerHeks> nom nom 24 core Power9 http://www.nextplatform.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ibm-hot-chips-power9-die.jpg
[17:18] <BluesKaj> wow OerHeks that makes my quadcore i3 look pretty simple :-)
[17:19] <OerHeks> Not sure the price will be ..
[17:21] <BluesKaj> mucho buckos I'm sure
[17:21] <ducasse> i friend recently did a project on a power8, he couldn't manage to load it more than 11% no matter what he did :)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Hey EriC^^ ; glad to see ya back on .
[21:52] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om
[21:52] <EriC^^> you as well :)
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Let's see what we can learn today, huh ?
[21:53] <EriC^^> sure
[21:54] <Bashing-om> That is ..... providing we want to go there :)