[07:29] <chris__> hey i just wanted to say
[07:29] <chris__> i am more excited about ubuntu touch than
[07:30] <chris__> anything I can remember in recent years
[07:31] <chris__> I can hardly wait for unity 8 to be available on desktop
[07:31] <cc> i still dont know how to use my ubuntu phone :(
[07:31] <cc> it's too hard for me
[07:31] <chris__> what do you mean? what is hard?
[07:33] <chris__> i am using ubuntu touch on a nexus 4
[07:34] <chris__> i have made an ubuntu touch app and published it as a click package
[07:34] <chris__> i believe i'm doing my part
[07:34] <cc> i'm using Meizu pro 5
[07:35] <chris__> i was thinking of ordering one to replace my nexus 4
[07:35] <cc> chris__: i dont know how to use it to connect to my computer
[07:35] <chris__> do you have a connection cable?
[07:35] <cc> yes
[07:35] <cc> i heard that
[07:36] <cc> when ubuntu phone connect to computer,that the computer become a ubuntu systerm
[07:36] <chris__> and it doesn't use the monitor when you connect it?
[07:37] <chris__> i understand that the phone will connect to peripheral devices directly
[07:37] <cc> yeah
[07:38] <chris__> are you using rc release or stable release?
[07:39] <chris__> do you recommend meizu pro 5?
[07:40] <cc> what?
[07:40] <cc> chris__: sorry
[07:40] <cc> let me give a video
[07:41] <cc> i think it's about "display"
[07:42] <cc> chris__: http://www.wtoutiao.com/p/1edVTEO.html
[07:42] <cc> can you see it?
[07:42] <cc> i want do like that
[07:43] <cc> make my computer become ubuntu systerm
[07:44] <chris__> i haven't done this myself
[07:44] <chris__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting
[07:47] <chris__> do you see your device in the list of available wireless displays?
[07:47] <cc> thanks,but i want to use it in computer
[07:47] <cc> no,i cant see it
[07:47] <cc> most of computer can use wifi
[07:47] <cc> you know
[07:47] <cc> cant
[07:48] <cc> should i make it possible by some other ways?like usb line or something others
[07:52] <chris__> i don't think a usb line is usable
[07:54] <chris__> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YONKZ72
[07:54] <chris__> i believe something like that is needed
[07:55] <cc> yeah
[07:55] <cc> but not this
[07:57] <cc> because it cant put into our cellphone
[08:12] <kaisoz> hi :)
[08:17] <cc> what i need is connect phone and computer
[08:24] <ogra> cc, you need a keyboard, mouse (bluetooth or wired with adapter) and a wireless display dongle (or a TV that supports it)
[08:25] <cc> ogra: er.....
[08:25] <cc> god
[08:25] <cc> it's too.......
[08:26] <ogra> your phone can become a desktop, but i wont do anything with an existing computer (beyond what phones normally do, like transferring data through the cable or whatnot)
[08:27] <cc> ogra: ok,so,i cant use it on computer,it
[08:27] <cc> it's upsaid
[08:29] <ogra> as i said, it turns *into* a desktop computer if you attach the right peripherials
[08:29] <ogra> what would you expect it to do beyond that ?
[08:38] <cc> ogra: i want to make it be a desktop
[08:38] <cc> so which peripherial is right?
[08:39] <ogra> there is a list of known working devices on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting ... but others that do plain miracast might work as well
[08:41] <ogra> mouse and keyboard arent actually required (the phone display turns into a touchpad when you are connected and the onscreen keyboard will show up on it if you focus a text input field somewhere)
[08:41] <ogra> but convenient if you actually want to do work
[08:44] <cc> ogra: thanks a lot
[09:34] <Mirv> mmh, not so successful tests of inputinfo done, testing by someone else would be welcome still
[10:57] <jgdx> does qt have a way of producing ordinal number suffixes? st, rd, th in a locale aware manner?
[11:06] <zzarr> hello! will there be split screen multitasking on phones in the future?
[11:07] <davmor2> zzarr: who knows
[11:08] <zzarr> I hope in any way :)
[11:14] <brunch875> The on-screen keyboard doesn't show up with libertine programs
[11:14] <brunch875> is this to be expected?
[11:19] <zzarr> brunch875, I think you should ask in #ubuntu-libertine
[11:20] <brunch875> oh, there's a channel for that. Neat.
[11:20] <zzarr> yes :)
[12:20] <mardy> Mirv: hi! So, I reproduced the signond bug with qt 5.6, and it's not related to my patch
[12:20] <mardy> Mirv: it's some other issue, but it might be that the test itself is not correct (I'm forking the test process, and that is not really supported), so I won't investigate that, but just fix the test
[12:21] <mardy> Mirv: and I haven't been able to find Thiago online, he's probably on holidays
[12:56] <Mirv> mardy: right, it's August so it's possible he's on holidays. well, I'm ok landing the fix if there's a version of signon that fails tests without it and passes with the patch :) also +1 to the codereview at that point and then we'll wait for thiago to come back and +2
[12:58] <mardy> Mirv: ok, I'm still writing the fixed test, then I'll propose a landing
[13:05] <kaisoz> about this bug
[13:05] <kaisoz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/band-aids-uphone/+bug/1378814
[13:05] <kaisoz> I solved it and will upload it as soon as I arrive home
[13:06] <kaisoz> but since now utouch uses unity8 I solved it there
[13:06] <kaisoz> should it be solved in unity-greeter as well?
[13:06] <kaisoz> I really didn't have a look at that
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ping
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone about?
[13:30] <kaisoz> hi
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kalikiana, hi are you ubntu dev?
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> touch dev
[13:33] <kalikiana> SebthreeBQM10HD: Where you looking for me specifically?
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kalikiana, h eh I don't know maybe
[13:33] <kalikiana> Otherwise you can just ping "appdevs" and several people will see your question
[13:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kalikiana, who makes Dekko?
[13:34] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: you can file bugs at http://launchpad.net/dekko
[13:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, yeah maybe losing my email twice, both verions etc, when sending at times with some error message
[13:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> is a bug
[13:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> had that before
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> annoying when doing a more well important email that matters more
[13:35]  * SebthreeBQM10HD should have screen shotted the second version really whoops
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but a 3rd attempt may not be so bad uh!
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I seem to write emails like that better a 2nd or 3rd time
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah Dekko doesn't seem to have drafts as well like say Thunderbird, in fact Thunderbird would save as going along
[13:36] <ogra> popey, hey, do you know how i get rid of the packages in the updater ? they seem to not go away now
[13:36]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doesn't want to use a lap top to type up a email and then actsually get it sent
[13:37] <ogra> (all sitting there with an "open" button, regardless what i do)
[13:37] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: also in #dekko
[13:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh there's a channel
[13:38] <popey> ogra: mine are all stuck in "Waiting to download"
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> email issue was tablet, but still got another issue with my phone really the mx  4 as well
[13:39] <ogra> well, mine all upgraded fine ... but the page doesnt clear afterwards ... even restarting system-settings doesnt clear it
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so I tried to text someone this morning
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but got the like spinning ubuntu logo next to the message, and it may hae sent anyway since got a message from my network about how many texts left, did that a few times, turned off etc
[13:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> just turend it back on, and got a hi from the person even, but those two texts still have the spinning logo
[13:40]  * ogra votes for reverting the calculator update ... 
[13:40] <ogra> the startup time makess every other app look really bad :P
[13:41] <dobey> ogra: heck, just running the same apps on a PC makes them look really bad on the phone :P
[13:41] <ogra> heh
[13:41] <ogra> well,  the calcullator starts in under 2sec here
[13:41] <ogra> since todays update
[13:52] <mcphail> ogra: not sure about "every other app". Maybe "every other app which uses the Ubuntu components" :(
[13:52] <ogra> well, i dont have any other app on my phone that starts this fast
[13:56] <mcphail> ogra: the SDL games and the "Petals" QML game are almost instant on my phone
[13:57] <kaisoz> _ogra, calculator in my E5 takes around 3 seconds to start
[14:10] <ogra> kaisoz, with todays update ?
[14:11]  * ogra is on a pro5 running rc-proposed 
[14:11] <ogra> it is closer to 1sec here
[14:13] <mcphail> ogra: same here on e4.5. 8 seconds on previous version, 1--2 on this one. Good stuff!
[14:13] <ogra> yep
[14:14] <ogra> now someone needs to fix all the other apps in the store to do that too ;)
[14:14] <mcphail> ogra: is this using the rewritten C++ components people were talking about a while ago?
[14:14] <ogra> no idea
[14:14] <ogra> i only updated it today and noticed the massive speedup
[14:17] <kaisoz> yes :S
[14:18] <kaisoz>  ogra: yes
[14:20] <kaisoz> well no, rechecked, and got an update, I didn't get an automatic update today
[14:20] <kaisoz> now it's under 2 secs
[14:20] <kaisoz> sorry :S
[14:31] <rentier_> Hi, is it possible to install Ubuntu on the Android version of the BQ Aquaris M10 FHD? (Currently not available in Germany with factory installed Ubuntu)
[14:35] <s`> ogra: they give any year warranty with pro5?
[14:35] <ogra> no idea
[14:35] <ogra> i doubt that
[14:36] <s`> cuz my torch is not working anymore
[14:36] <s`> i dont know if it's hw issue
[14:36] <ogra> given you needed to import it from china
[14:36] <s`> or sw bug
[14:37] <s`> and dun know how to check that
[14:37] <s`> lol
[14:37] <s`> it was cool if there was some file/dir exported to sys
[14:38] <ogra> well, it has always worked on my device since day one
[14:38] <s`> it used to work for me too
[14:39] <s`> not sure if problem came with update or maybe it fell down
[14:41] <s`> if it was hw issue, i'm expecting to find some logs somewhere
[14:51] <mardy> Mirv: hi! I have the fix here, but it looks like it's a chicken and egg problem: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1848
[14:51] <mardy> Mirv: the yakkety build fails, because yakkety has Qt 5.6 without my patch
[15:39] <Mirv> mardy: I'll test against the xenial Qt 5.6 which has te patch
[15:39] <Mirv> mardy: I'd have the yakkety patched version queued otherwise but there is some new libc 2.24 problem in yakkety causing a test to fail so Qt doesn't get built
[18:21] <mcphail> popey: mhall119: Watching yesterday's ubuntu-on-air. Can you _please_ stop suggesting the e4.5 is not powerful enough to open apps quickly? We already know non-Ubuntu-toolkit apps open quickly, and the updated Calculator app shows native Ubuntu QML apps are capable of doing so as well. When the kinks get ironed out, the e4.5 will be a great Ubuntu platform :)
[18:23] <popey> mcphail: fair point
[18:24]  * mhall119 doesn't have an e4.5, so doesn't talk about it much
[18:25] <mcphail> I know it was David who mentioned it, but I don't see him on here ;)
[18:30] <mterry> kenvandine, jgdx: do either of you have time for an old MP of mine that hasn't gotten any attention in a while?  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/default-wallpaper/+merge/297632
[18:32] <kenvandine> mterry, probably not this week.. kind of drowning atm...
[18:32] <kenvandine> does that still merge cleanly?  looks like it has some of your color changes
[18:32] <mterry> kenvandine: this was a couple color changes on top of that, gradients that were hiding from my roving eye until now
[18:32] <kenvandine> jgdx, could you take a look? ^^
[18:33] <kenvandine> ok
[19:04] <matv1> hey all. i dug up an oldish rapoo bt keyboard. Testing it pairing with both the nexus4 and the bq M10 shows the connection on the tablet very unstable and on the phone working quite well. both however are running ut stable channel latest ota
[19:04] <matv1> does that make sense?
[19:05] <mterry> matv1: I know nothing about BT, but I *could* imagine the M10 drivers being worse somehow?
[19:05] <mterry> Different kernel...
[19:05] <dobey> and very different hardware
[19:05] <matv1> mterry ah right because of the android base
[19:06] <matv1> still one would expect the oposite then
[19:07] <dobey> matv1: why would you expect the opposite? the official google supported hardware works better than the hardware that isn't?
[19:07] <linux-masochist> Anyone know if the pause/play button on your headphone lead works now? Nexus 4.
[19:09] <matv1> dobey right point taken :)
[19:09] <linux-masochist> Admittedly I've not tried an image since OTA 10, but this kills me that it doesn't work.
[19:14] <davmor2> linux-masochist: it should
[19:16] <linux-masochist> davmor2: OK. Thanks. It never in OTA 10. I'll luck through the change logs and see its been patched.
[19:16] <linux-masochist> davmor2: *look
[19:17] <matv1> i am going into a head to head face off in my company next week with someone demoing the microsoft convergence thing. continuum. he knew i toyed with ubuntu convergence. So he changeled me to show some stuff of that. Just a friendly exploring of 'the future desktop'  within our it department.
[19:17] <matv1> Any pointers on from anyone who has looked at continuum on that? where does ut have the upper hand currently?
[19:18] <matv1> the securitymodel maybe?
[19:19] <davmor2> matv1: security, convergent apps, fluid changes as the desktop area changes, a terminal that works :D
[19:20] <davmor2> matv1: music app is a good demo for adaptive layout
[19:21] <matv1> davmor2 yeah  true. please elaborate on ' fluid changes..' how does continuum do that worse then ut?
[19:23] <matv1> do you know?
[19:23] <davmor2> matv1: Adaptive layout changes happens fluidly on ubuntu as I understand it on continuum it is either phone or desktop and nothing much inbetween
[19:25] <matv1> ah i see. haha that would indeed be a points deducted for microsoft
[19:29] <dobey> my understanding is that continuum was something else different from what we've defined as convergence
[19:31] <matv1> dobey the aim seems to be the same thought right? dock ur phone and use it like a desktop
[19:31] <dobey> matv1: that's only a small subset of what convergence is for ubuntu
[19:33] <matv1> how? app confinement isnt strictly speaking part of the convergence idea is it?
[19:34] <dobey> matv1: because a windows phone and a windows pc are still totally different things
[19:35] <dobey> where ubuntu is just ubuntu
[19:36] <dobey> granted "continuum" is a cool word-play name on the idea
[19:37] <matv1> although we should add that ubuntu is not ubuntu right now. it maybe like that hopefully around 18.04 or the likes
[19:38] <dobey> what do you mean ubuntu is not ubuntu?
[19:39] <matv1> current production desktop is not the same as current ubuntu touch
[19:39] <matv1> not by a stretch
[19:39] <dobey> it's not exactly the same
[19:39] <dobey> but both are built from the same sources
[19:40] <dobey> phone features land into the development series of ubuntu at the same time as the phone (give or take scheduling conflicts)
[19:41] <matv1> there you said it: in development series
[19:41] <dobey> phone and pc ISO images are continually moving to the same point (ie, converging)
[19:42] <dobey> matv1: well you don't honestley expect total rewrites and brand new features like are happening on the phone to land in a 4 year old stable release do you?
[19:44] <matv1> dobey hold your horses. i am totaly convinced about where we are going. and i am completely aware about the massive amounts of work needed
[19:45] <matv1> all i mean is that we have been getting some punches on the nose from the wider world about infering that ut will be like this in the near future
[19:45] <matv1> we may need to empasize we are not there yet
[19:45] <dobey> "wider world"
[19:46] <matv1> the marketing pages on the canonical site when a new device hit the market last 2 years have been more then a little inflated
[19:47] <matv1> we say that we ALWAYS comunicated that its still for devs only but thats not true
[19:47] <dobey> i don't think so
[19:48] <dobey> i think some people have read certain things and then inflated the meaning to fit what they desired, and then got upset when what they got wasn't what they desired
[19:48] <matv1> dobey on that, i fear i must disagree
[19:51] <matv1> anyway, when something interesting comes up in said head to head i will report back :)
[19:52] <matv1> oh one last thing. i need still to order a miracast dongle. i remember some canonical blog listing the ones ' known to work' . Anyone know what i mean and where it is?
[19:52] <dobey> microsoft miracast dongle v1 (not v2)
[19:53] <matv1> dobey are there not multiple devices in the v1 series? is there just the one?
[19:54] <dobey> i don't have one. i just know that there are two versions, version 1 is what everyone tested with. version 2 has some issues i think
[19:56] <matv1> ok thanks for all the help again dobey
[19:59] <dobey> sure
[20:21] <douglasbrito> ubu chroot ?
[20:23] <dobey> ?
[20:28] <mcphail> awe: We talked last week about my DNS issues on rc-proposed. Actually, I don't know whether this is an rc-proposed problem. My ISP has switched on IPv6 on my router, and DNS seems to work normally if I switch IPv6 off. Is this a known issue? Same hardware works fine if I flash Android
[20:29] <dobey> mcphail: is dns not working, or are you ending up with ipv6 addresses which you can't route to?
[20:30] <mcphail> dobey: dns doesn't seem to work. I can't ping any names
[20:31] <dobey> mcphail: do you have a pastebin showing "ping google.com" output?
[20:31] <dobey> mcphail: or better "host google.com" ?
[20:32] <mcphail> dobey: I'll need to reboot my router to reenable IPv6, so my nick will be ghosted for a few minutes
[20:32] <dobey> ok
[20:45] <mcphail> dobey: there's no "host" command installed on the phone. Pinging just pauses then gives "ping: unknown host google.com"
[20:47] <dobey> ok
[20:47] <mcphail> I don't really know how to debug IPv6 problems
[20:48] <dobey> so sounds like your router was configured to give out ipv6 addresses but was not given ipv6 DNS addresses to resolve from by your isp
[20:48] <mcphail> dobey: works OK from all other machines
[20:49] <mcphail> dobey: http://termbin.com/qcqv from my desktop
[20:50] <dobey> mcphail: what does "ping google.com" show on that machine?
[20:50] <dobey> for the first line
[20:50] <mcphail> PING google.com (216.58.208.142) 56(84) bytes of data.
[20:50] <dobey> mcphail: right so it's not using ipv6 there
[20:51] <dobey> maybe it still has an old lease or something
[20:52] <dobey> mcphail: what does ifconfig -a say on your phone?
[20:52] <dobey> or just ifconfig wlan0
[20:52] <dobey> i forget what the iface name is there
[20:52] <dobey> ah it is wlan0
[20:53] <mcphail> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086266/
[20:56] <dobey> mcphail: hmm, that looks fine
[20:56] <dobey> i'm not sure how to tell what DNS addresses are being used, since the switch to dnsmasq for local caching stuff
[20:58] <dobey> ah
[20:58] <dobey> mcphail: nmcli d show wlan0
[20:59] <mcphail> dobey: here's my router's DNS page. It doesn't have an IPv6 DNS server, but the "Help" section says that is fine - https://nc.themcphails.uk/index.php/s/MQpoqmo4hnGEVIh
[21:00] <mcphail> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086279/
[21:01] <dobey> so your phone has both ip4 and ip6 dns addresses to use
[21:02] <mcphail> dobey: but I don't know where the IPv6 one has come from, as the router isn't using one
[21:02] <dobey> mcphail: does ping6 google.com work?
[21:03] <dobey> mcphail: it comes from upstream.
[21:03] <mcphail> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086291/
[21:04] <mcphail> dobey: if I run the same command on my desktop I get "connect: Network is unreachable"
[21:04] <mcphail> dobey: so I don't know if the phone is getting an imaginary IPv6 DNS server
[21:04] <dobey> no the phone got the real DNS server for ip6
[21:05] <dobey> but your phone wasn't given a global ip6 address, it only has a link-local address
[21:05] <dobey> and the ip4 dns address is your router, which i suspect might not serve dns?
[21:06] <mcphail> dobey: the router should be the IPv4 DNS server, I think
[21:06] <dobey> mcphail: what does nm say you have for ip4 dns on your pc?
[21:08] <mcphail> dobey: my router - 192.168.0.1
[21:08] <dobey> hmm
[21:09] <dobey> very weird indeed
[21:10] <mcphail> I really don't understand this enough to even file a bug report
[21:10] <dobey> yeah i'm not sure it's even a bug in network-manager
[21:10] <dobey> well, i mean i can't explain why ipv4 isn't working if you have a valid address and the DNS address you were given is valid
[21:11] <mcphail> dobey: I'm assuming it thinks it can connect by IPv6, then doesn't fall back to IPv4
[21:12] <dobey> oh of course
[21:12] <dobey> you don't have an ipv4 route
[21:13] <dobey> mcphail: on your pc, turn the networking off and on again, and then see what nmcli d show eth0 (or wlan0 or whatever you use) shows
[21:14] <mcphail> OK
[21:16] <dobey> did it break too? :)
[21:16] <mcphail> http://termbin.com/w5o2
[21:17] <dobey> yeah, so it's not getting an ip6 config
[21:17] <dobey> mcphail: so i think this is either a problem with your router, or isp; or maybe both
[21:18] <mcphail> On the IPv6 Settings tab for my connection, it is set to "Automatic, DHCP only"
[21:18] <dobey> sure, but it didn't get any ipv6 config from dhcp :)
[21:19] <dobey> it only has the link-local address
[21:19] <mcphail> dobey: changing it to "Automatic" gives http://termbin.com/sxdm
[21:20] <dobey> so there are two problems i see on your phone with this setup: 1) a route wasn't configured for IPv4 on the phone 2) your isp apparently didn't give you a global ipv6 address so you can't access anything
[21:20] <s`> this sounds more reasonable
[21:20] <s`> :D
[21:20] <s`> IP6.ADDRESS[1]:                         2a02:c7d:6969:5000:d4a0:b01a:a19f:330f/64
[21:20] <dobey> mcphail: hmm, ok. so now it has ipv6, but has IP4.ROUTE set
[21:21] <dobey> yeah that should work
[21:21] <s`> mcphail: ping6 google.com ?
[21:21] <dobey> mcphail: try restarting networking service on your phone now :)
[21:21] <mcphail> dobey: s`: that last paste was from my desktop - not the phone
[21:22] <dobey> mcphail: right i got that
[21:22] <dobey> mcphail: but it looks correct, where the one from your phone doesn't
[21:22] <dobey> mcphail: so i am suggesting restarting networking on the phone to see if it changes anything
[21:25] <s`> dobey: you know if it's possible to turn torch on using cli?
[21:25] <s`> or u know any method to debug why my torch stopped working?
[21:25] <dobey> s`: no idea. i'd guess there's probably some file in /sys soemwhere you could echo 1 into though
[21:25] <s`> i checked
[21:26] <s`> mumble mumble
[21:26] <mcphail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086353/
[21:26] <mcphail> no joy :(
[21:26] <s`> mcphail: which kind of ipv6 you have?
[21:26] <dobey> yeah, still broken
[21:26] <dobey> i wonder why
[21:27] <mcphail> s`: no idea!
[21:27] <dobey> s`: the broken kind! :)
[21:27] <s`> ahaha
[21:27] <mcphail> dobey: odd thing is, I _sometimes_ get DNS for a minute or 2
[21:27] <dobey> mcphail: but only for ipv6?
[21:27] <s`> have you checked resolv.conf ? it's weird you can't even resolve ipv4 for google.com
[21:28] <mcphail> dobey: sometimes the web browser works, and I can ping addresses (ipv4 ping). Then it stops again
[21:28] <dobey> resolv.conf just has 127.0.0.1 in it
[21:28] <mcphail> 127.0.1.1
[21:28] <dobey> mcphail: weird. sounds like sometimes you get a proper ipv4 route but mostly not, when ipv6 is enabled
[21:30] <mcphail> I can't understand it at all. I accept my ISP or router config may be broken, but every other device appears to be handling it gracefully
[21:31] <mcphail> And this phone handles it gracefully running Android
[21:32] <mcphail> I think I'll just turn off IPv6 in my router for the time being
[21:32] <s`> mcphail: does your router support DHCPv6? RA? both?
[21:33] <mcphail> s`: it says IPv6DHCP is enabled. What is RA?
[21:34]  * popey wonders if bug 1603898 is related
[21:34] <popey> (VPN specifically, but maybe)
[21:34] <dobey> mcphail: other device is ubuntu 16.04?
[21:34] <s`> mcphail: router advertisements
[21:35] <mcphail> dobey: yes
[21:35] <mcphail> s`: "Enable ULA Router Prefix Advertisements" is ticked, if that's it
[21:35] <dobey> mcphail: that's especially odd, since the same version of network-manager is being used on the phone i think
[21:36] <s`> peraphs dhclient configuration?
[21:37] <s`> nah
[21:37] <dobey> ah could be. maybe something from xenial needs backported for dhclient?
[21:37] <s`> uhm
[21:37] <kaisoz> hi there
[21:38] <dobey> i wonder if a standard ubuntu vivid install would show the same issues with ipv6
[21:38] <mcphail> now I have DNS again
[21:38] <mcphail> Actually, this is interesting...
[21:39] <mcphail> Switched wifi off and on. Could ping google.com. Then tried ping6 google.com which failed. Then ping google.com failed
[21:39] <s`> my device is not getting ipv6 btw
[21:39] <s`> there's something to enable in settings?
[21:40] <dobey> is your router/isp serving it to you?
[21:40] <s`> could be related
[21:40] <s`> yeah i have native ipv6
[21:40] <s`> my /64 is the one you see in my host
[21:40] <dobey> it should just work by default
[21:40] <s`> ok, looks like i have same problem
[21:40] <s`> lol
[21:40] <mcphail> This might be reproducible...
[21:41] <s`> well, i dont have routing issue for ipv4
[21:43] <mcphail> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086402/
[21:43] <mcphail> the IPv6 request seems to break ipv4
[21:43] <s`> mcphail: have you tried add the gw route manually?
[21:44] <mcphail> s`: I wouldn't know where to start
[21:44] <s`> route -net add default YOUR_ROUTER_IP
[21:44] <s`> try do that when you cannot ping
[21:44] <s`> and see if it fix
[21:46] <mcphail> s`: that syntax doesn't seem to be accepted
[21:46] <s`> maybe it was route add -net default IP
[21:47] <mcphail> s`: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086426/
[21:48] <s`> ahaha sorry im tired
[21:48] <s`> route add -net default gw IP
[21:49] <mcphail> s`: that seems to work
[21:50] <mcphail> Well, it did for a minute
[21:51] <s`> yeah because that's not persistent
[21:51] <s`> so dhclient maybe rewrite the routing table
[21:52] <mcphail> s`: if I try to repeat the command i get "SIOCADDRT: File exists"
[21:52] <s`> what is output of "route -n"
[21:53] <mcphail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086437/
[21:56] <s`> ccmni0
[21:56] <mcphail> I think I'm going to have to give up on this for an evening. It is 11pm and I haven't had my dinner! Cheers chaps
[21:56] <mcphail> dobey: s`: help is much appreciated
[21:56] <s`> np
[23:31] <mcphail> bfiller: great to see Ownlcloud calendar support - thanks! One problem seems to be I can't access a calendar which has been shared with me. Can I do something about this?
[23:32] <bfiller> mcphail, we have a fix for it
[23:32] <mcphail> bfiller: great! I'll be patient. This is real progress ;)
[23:32] <bfiller> mcphail, it's in silo 53, you can try it if you install ubuntu-silo-installer app from the store
[23:33] <bfiller> or wait for a few days and it should be in rc-proposed
[23:33] <mcphail> bfiller: cheers. I'll wait patiently, I think