[00:01] <danst> nacc: doesn't help either
[00:01] <danst> [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.4.0-34-generic.efi.signed root=ZFS=recovery/ROOT/ubuntu ro intel_iommu=on modprobe.blacklist=i915_bpo
[00:02] <danst> lsmod | grep i915_bpo | wc -l
[00:02] <danst> 6
[00:05] <nacc> danst: i wonder if you'd need to blacklist the deps on it too ... not sure. Does dmesg given any clues?
[00:30] <Melio> In place upgrades take a long time
[00:30] <Melio> And theres about 3 sonfar questions that interupt it
[00:31] <Melio> So far
[00:56] <elisa87> hey where does sudo apt-get install build-essential g++ python-dev autotools-dev libicu-dev build-essential libbz2-dev libboost-all-dev
[00:56] <elisa87>  install the libboost and its .so file?
[00:59] <Bashing-om> elisa87: ' dpkg -L <package> ' to see what all got installed where .
[01:07] <Melio> In place upgrade crashed, so im doing a usb install of 16.04.1
[01:08] <Melio> Gotta wipe and take the loss. Oh well
[01:09] <Guest30977> Hello. I'm having trouble booting Ubuntu 16.04. It worked last time I started it. When I select Ubuntu from Grub, it shows an error.
[01:09] <Guest30977> It starts with: /dev/sda3: clean, 503120/44105728 files, 31847660/176404224 blocks
[01:10] <Pikia> I don't think that is an error.
[01:10] <Pikia> I get that too, and once its completes going through the entire HDD or SSDD, it should boot up
[01:13] <Guest30977> It then shows [11.228225] snd_hda_intel 000:00:1f.3: filed to add i915_bpo component master (-19)
[01:14] <Melio> Whatbis mate?
[01:14] <Guest30977> Then [12.240481] hid-generic 0003:046D:C214.0004:usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed: -1
[01:14] <Melio> What is mate i mean
[01:14] <Guest30977> Any idea?
[01:15] <Guest30977> Melio, like Ubuntu MATE?
[01:15] <Melio> Yes
[01:15] <elliot-59> mate is a Desktop environment
[01:15] <Guest30977> yep
[01:15] <Melio> I never really looked into it
[01:15] <Guest30977> like unity or GNOME
[01:15] <Melio> Is mate gnome enhanced?
[01:15] <Melio> Or just not gnome at all
[01:15] <castlelore>  I am getting "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted" running "sudo systemctl start sshd" -- can anyone     │+creffett|irssi
[01:15] <elliot-59> yup... DE's: mate, gnome, unity, kde, lxde, xfce
[01:15] <castlelore>                     | point me in the direction on how to solve this? I'm stufck
[01:16] <Guest30977> @Pikia, any idea?
[01:17] <Melio> So I can install mate and switch desktop managers later to try em out
[01:18] <elliot-59> yeah, its a bit better to get the actual ubuntu flavor for that DE but you can just install them all and switch to get a feel for them if you want
[01:18] <Melio> Will that be part of login like old school linux distros did
[01:18] <Guest30977> Melio: Um, theoretically I guess...
[01:18] <Pikia> Guest30977: Sorry, no. If you wait a bit, and come bnack in a few hours, there are mch more expereices users here who can help you
[01:19] <Melio> If its detrimental i can just. Irtualize a sandbox for itbwith virtual box and take a look
[01:19] <Guest30977> Thank you, Pikia. I appreciate the response.
[01:19] <Melio> Grr irc by phone
[01:22] <exoalexander> hello
[01:23] <elliot-59> exoalexander: yo
[01:24] <exoalexander> i just uninstalled the unity 8 system settings but the icon is still showing in the ubuntu application menu
[01:24] <exoalexander> is there a way to remove it
[01:24] <OerHeks> exoalexander, did you logout/login after that ?
[01:25] <exoalexander> yes
[01:25] <OerHeks> else run apt-get autoremove, that would wipe orphans too
[01:25] <exoalexander> brb
[01:27] <jmadero> hitting this in virtual box 16.04: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr
[01:27] <jmadero> thoughts?
[01:29] <OerHeks> jmadero, tons of solutions, it seems to be a virtualbox setting http://askubuntu.com/questions/298290/smbus-bios-error-while-booting-ubuntu-in-virtualbox
[01:29] <jmadero> OerHeks: yeah most of those are not applicable
[01:30] <jmadero> for instance I can't do anything with acceleration in system settings for vbox - grayed out
[01:30] <OerHeks> depends on the hardware/driver now, AMD with radeon driver?
[01:31] <jmadero> OerHeks: intel
[01:33] <diego606> hi
[01:34] <zotex> anyone try to install kali tools on ubuntu 16.04?
[01:41] <Anthaas_> Hi guys - I've just installed Ubuntu 16.04 over Windows 10.
[01:41] <Anthaas_> I have an SSD, and a HDD, the SSD is where the OS is.
[01:42] <Anthaas_> I had some windows stuff on the HDD, and now I can't access it - can someone help me?
[01:44] <melio_> ok i got 16.04 booted after install. and i notice my grub doesnt include my windows 10 choice anymore
[01:45] <melio_> windows 10 is infact on /dev/sda2
[01:45] <melio_> is there a simple way to add that to grub
[01:45] <melio_> like grub-install
[01:46] <OerHeks> win10 does not show itself in grub, i think, not on the 1st page
[01:46] <melio_> wait sudo update-grub might work
[01:46] <melio_> i'll fix it
[01:46] <Anthaas_> I've just had a really stupid thought
[01:46] <OerHeks> if it isn't there, yes.
[01:47] <Anthaas_> My SSD is 256GB, HDD is 2TB. Everything I install on Ubuntu is going onto the 256GB isnt it?
[01:47] <OerHeks> Anthaas_, most likely, you can check that
[01:47] <OerHeks> open terminal ( ctrl T )  sudo fdisk -l
[01:48] <Anthaas_> OerHeks: I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 over my Win 10. Where Windows gives you the change to change where installs go, I'd like that on Ubuntu. However, currently I cannot even mount my 2TB...
[01:48] <OerHeks> that 2 tb, maybe it is GPT with an EXFAT partition, you just need to install fuse then
[01:49] <Anthaas_> I don't understand the words you just said... haha
[01:49] <OerHeks> if that command fdisk shows a 2tb exfat partition, sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[01:49] <OerHeks> and restart filemanager
[01:50] <Anthaas_> You mean this: /dev/sda2       718848 3907024895 3906306048  1.8T  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[01:50] <Anthaas_> ?
[01:50] <OerHeks> right
[01:50] <Anthaas_> Ok cool
[01:51] <Anthaas_> OerHeks:   https://thepb.in/p/r0hwRMjEPW7HK
[01:52] <OerHeks> i think it is not ntfs
[01:52] <Anthaas_> All I tried to do was click the drive in Nautilus
[01:53] <Anthaas_> On the left hand side
[01:54] <OerHeks> it might be a problem, this unsafe state, not closed files or something.
[01:55] <OerHeks> or hybernated from within window ...
[01:56] <Anthaas_> Well, I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 over Windows. Just as you normally would...
[02:00] <OerHeks> sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda2 perhaps ? lots of thinking about this 'feature' http://askubuntu.com/questions/145902/unable-to-mount-windows-ntfs-filesystem-due-to-hibernation
[02:00] <Anthaas_> Can someone help me resolve my issue regarding my hard drive. I just installed Ubuntu over Windows. Ubuntu is instaled onto my SSD, but I cant access my HDD...
[02:00] <Anthaas_> Ahh
[02:07] <OerHeks> 26 minutes ago	Central Italy		6.3
[02:09] <kulelu88> Hello all
[02:09] <kulelu88> say I am copying .deb packages from 1 ubuntu install to another, should I first delete old packages in the install I am manually updating?
[02:09] <kulelu88> var/cache/ packages
[02:10] <OerHeks> !apt-clone
[02:16] <kulelu88> OerHeks: does that clone the entire contents of the folder or just a reference to it?
[02:20] <Anthaas> OerHeks, Hi - thanks, that got it fixed.
[02:20] <Anthaas> Now I have another problem.
[02:20] <Anthaas> I want to use my HDD for most of my filesystem.
[02:20] <Anthaas> Not my SSD...
[02:21] <kulelu88> Anthaas: mount your HDD and save data there
[02:21] <Anthaas> kulelu88, I mean for things like application installs etc.
[02:21] <kulelu88> you will lose the performance then Anthaas
[02:21] <Anthaas> Where, currently they are going in /opt/[application] where /opt is found on my SSD.
[02:22] <Anthaas> I understand.
[02:22] <Anthaas> I really only wanted my SSD for the OS and critical applications.
[02:22] <Anthaas> My SSD is only 256GB, my HDD is 2TB
[02:22] <kulelu88> 256GB is a lot
[02:22] <Anthaas> Not enough haha
[02:22] <kulelu88> what exactly are you installing that requires so much memory?
[02:23] <Anthaas> Hmm...
[02:24] <Anthaas> How can I check how full my drives are?
[02:24] <Anthaas> Got it
[02:24] <Anthaas> Ok, its fine.
[02:24] <Anthaas> I can do with here for now.
[02:24] <Anthaas> When I install some games, for example, how can I do so on the HDD?
[02:25] <Anthaas> and play from there?
[02:25] <kulelu88> why is rangardt spamming me?
[02:25] <rangardt> kulelu88: beats me
[02:25] <Bashing-om> Anthaas: For reference; I run on 4.7 Gigs ! " /dev/sda1       4.7G  2.1G  2.4G  48% / " .
[02:26] <Anthaas> Im not sure why, either, but whenever I open several tabs in Firefox, it pretty much causes the whole computer to die...
[02:26] <rangardt> Anthaas: use chrome
[02:26] <kulelu88> goodbye rangardt
[02:27] <Anthaas> Isn't Chrome more resource intensive?
[02:27] <rangardt> Anthaas: not chromium that's also a pig. Chrome is faster
[02:27] <Bashing-om> Anthaas: Maybe short on ram and no swap partition ? as one thought .
[02:27] <kulelu88> if he has a 256GB SSD, I'm sure ram is enough
[02:28] <kulelu88> Anthaas: how many tabs?
[02:28] <Anthaas> kulelu88, About 7
[02:28] <kulelu88> RAM level
[02:28] <kulelu88> *?
[02:28] <Anthaas> 8GB RAM
[02:29] <rangardt> Chromium takes about 30 seconds to open. Chrome about 2 seconds Anthaas
[02:29] <Anthaas> Bashing-om, I'd have no idea how to check that.
[02:29] <Anthaas> rangardt, I have Chrome installed now, thank you.
[02:30] <kulelu88> that shouldn't be happening Anthaas . 7 tabs is nothing for 8GB
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Anthaas: What does ' free -m ' say about memory ?
[02:31] <Anthaas> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/Yym5rWPJ
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Anthaas: Agreed, there is no memory swap limitation here .
[02:38] <brassbonanza> Anyone available to help with getting my wireless network to work on a fresh install of 14.04?
[02:38] <kulelu88> WLAN? brassbonanza
[02:38] <Anthaas> Bashing-om, Hmm, any ideas?
[02:39] <Evidlo> I'm trying to mount an exfat partition in Ubuntu 14 Live USB, but I can't find the `exfat-fuse` package in apt.  Here are my apt sources: http://ix.io/1gi4
[02:39] <brassbonanza> yes - I have tried this http://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers tutorial as I have a broadcom driver
[02:39] <brassbonanza> no luck
[02:40] <Anthaas> For the record, Rangardt was throwing some racial slurs my way in private messages.
[02:40] <kulelu88> brassbonanza: I know this might sound absurd, but have you made sure your hardware wireless switch is on?
[02:41] <kulelu88> Anthaas: use /IGNORE rangardt
[02:41] <kulelu88> that'll block him
[02:41] <Adambuntu> @brassbonanza man, broadcom, I´m sorry bud :( to be honest you think that would ¨just work¨ though these days.
[02:41] <Anthaas> Thanks
[02:41] <Evidlo> are these apt source urls correct?  http://ix.io/1gi4
[02:42] <kulelu88> Evidlo: can you please use a recognized paste link
[02:42] <brassbonanza> kulelu88: It is on, I had a problem with 16.04 where I couldn't turn it on but now the wireless switch is illuminated white. Here is the system I have installed ubuntu 14.04 on http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04539529 - 14.04 is the version that is recommended for this system via Ubuntus website
[02:43] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu - yeah its rough...
[02:43] <Adambuntu> I have a broadcom on my macbook, but I don´t run linux on it, but from my past of an old laptop, the trick was using fwcutter
[02:43] <kulelu88> brassbonanza: do you see the network options at the top/bottom of your screen? should be 2 arrows (I assume that is what it is in Ubuntu)
[02:43] <Adambuntu> But that was years ago
[02:44] <Evidlo> kulelu88: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23083811
[02:44] <kulelu88> yes they're correct Evidlo
[02:45] <kulelu88> apparently https:// is too expensive
[02:45] <brassbonanza> kulelu88: there are two arrows when I plug the ethernet cable in, when I unplug and move into trying to use wlan I have an outlife of a baseball diamond that I can click on. When I click on this baseball diamond I can hover over a tab with VPN Connections which expands to more options, edit connections (which is manual configuration of the networks which doesn't work), or enable networking.
[02:45] <brassbonanza> Which is enabled
[02:45] <Evidlo> kulelu88: so why can't I find any packages related to exfat?
[02:45] <Adambuntu> brassbonanza if I may suggest, something I would do these days if a laptop came with one, I would just buy an intel nic to save the hassle or salvage one from a dead laptop.
[02:45] <Evidlo> seems like I'm missing something
[02:45] <kulelu88> Evidlo: possibly wrong package name?
[02:46] <Evidlo> `apt-cache search exfat` returns nothing
[02:46] <kulelu88> Evidlo: menu > settings > software and updates
[02:46] <Evidlo> kulelu88: I'm not running X right now
[02:47] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu decent idea - did this install on a whim as I was fed up with win10 on this particular laptop and my mbp just died; Ubuntu's website said it was supported so I went with it. I start classes on Thursday not really sure how quickly I can salvage
[02:47] <wsky> Evidlo: possibly you need a linux distribution
[02:47] <kulelu88> maybe you're missing CLI? Evidlo
[02:47] <Evidlo> kulelu88: what do you mean?
[02:47] <kulelu88> oops
[02:47] <brassbonanza> kulelu88: When I run the commands iwconfig it returns no wireless extensions for both lo and eth0
[02:47] <kulelu88> ignore that message
[02:47] <kulelu88> what I meant to say was. are you on the commandline? ev0lv3
[02:47] <kulelu88> Evidlo: ^^^
[02:48] <Evidlo> kulelu88: yes
[02:48] <Adambuntu> man if you were close to Kentucky I´d toss you this extra intel I have :(
[02:48] <Adambuntu> but it´s not going to get there in time
[02:48] <kulelu88> I think you may need to install the independent option (somehow via CLI, which I don't know how -> for 3rd part libs)
[02:49] <kulelu88> brassbonanza: with the ethernet cable plugged in. click on those up/down errors
[02:49] <kulelu88> up/down arrows
[02:49] <kulelu88> man... I'm tire
[02:49] <kulelu88> d
[02:50] <brassbonanza> kulelu88: it enables one button that was previously grayed out which is 'connection information'
[02:50] <wsky> kulelu88: 4 AM?
[02:50] <Evidlo> kulelu88: fixed it. I had to enable the universe repository
[02:50] <Adambuntu> wait, isn´t broadcom drivers in the restricted drivers section these days?
[02:50] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: elaborate?
[02:50] <kulelu88> around there ws2k3
[02:50] <kulelu88> wsky:
[02:51] <wsky> kulelu88: urope
[02:51] <Adambuntu> like when you want nvidia closed source drivers (binary drivers) you go to restricted drivers app, and get them that way, also I think broadcom is there since they are non-free firmware
[02:51] <kulelu88> awesome Evidlo
[02:51] <kulelu88> Adambuntu: I think you may be right. possibly a binary blob
[02:51] <wsky> we're drifting on the same boat, however if you had '88' tatooed anywhere on you i'd push you off it
[02:52] <kulelu88> wsky: I am trying to understand how a .deb package finds what deps it needs during install :D
[02:52] <elky> wsky: go sleep
[02:52] <kulelu88> yak-shave ftw
[02:53] <Adambuntu> brassbonanza, go to software sources>additional drivers
[02:53] <wsky> elky: is that an order
[02:53]  * kulelu88 note to self, get '88' tattooed when sentenced to jail-time 
[02:53] <elky> wsky: sure.
[02:53] <wsky> welp, i don't take orders.
[02:53] <elky> wsky: this channel is a support channel, not a substitute for social channels that get tired of your nonsense.
[02:54] <Adambuntu> (aka system>software & updates>additional drivers
[02:54] <Adambuntu> see if broadcom comes up there
[02:54] <kulelu88> elky is angry
[02:54] <wsky> elky: ah that's why they used violence? because "they got tired of my nonsense"?
[02:54] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: okay there
[02:54] <Adambuntu> wait for it to quit spinning and see if broadcom comes up brassbonanza
[02:54] <elky> wsky: they revoked your access privileges, there was no violence.
[02:55] <brassbonanza> Admbuntu: Under broadcom Corporation: BCM43142 801.11b/g/n
[02:55] <wsky> kicking someone out is a form of violence.
[02:55] <dax> well, technically i just un-accessed them, they didn't get banned
[02:55] <lordcirth> wsky, no, it's not.
[02:55] <dax> but this is #ubuntu-ops material
[02:55] <hellyhopper> is ubuntu touch on the nexus 4 sstill being updated?
[02:55] <wsky> i wasn't even aware that mentioning sex is offtopic there
[02:55] <wsky> lordcirth: of course it is.
[02:55] <Adambuntu> brassbonanza, looks like thatś it, install that driver :D
[02:56] <kulelu88> you guys are essentially spamming this channel now with something that led to the banning elky wsky
[02:56] <Adambuntu> make sure your wire is plugged in and connected brassbonanza
[02:56] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: It says "This device is using an alternative driver." --- I have the options to select "Using broadcom 802.11 Lionux STA wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source (proprietary)
[02:56] <brassbonanza> or
[02:56] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: "Do not use this device"
[02:56] <Cypher-Punk> Explosive diarrhea is also off-topic.
[02:56] <Adambuntu> use propietary
[02:56] <Adambuntu> !ohmy Cypher-Punk
[02:57] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: I already ran the command sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[02:57] <Adambuntu> oh :(
[02:57] <kulelu88> in this package: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apt-clone/trunk/files . Which file will tell me the ubuntu dependencies to install the package? I checked in .bzr-builddeb, setup.py, etc. and can't find anything
[02:57] <brassbonanza> @adambuntu: and that was at the end of the command chain ---> sudo add-apt- repository restricted / sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get ionstall liux-generic / that last command
[02:57] <Adambuntu> did you reboot brassbonanza after you did that?
[02:58] <Adambuntu> so the kernel can reload
[02:58] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: I thought I did but I will throw one in for good measure
[02:58] <Adambuntu> k
[02:58] <Adambuntu> see you in a minute
[02:58] <brassbonanza> @adambuntu: on reboot is said to hit any key for (???) management
[02:58] <Adambuntu> o_O
[02:59] <Adambuntu> did it hang there?
[02:59] <brassbonanza> lmao
[02:59] <brassbonanza> no
[02:59] <brassbonanza> it was like a 8 second interval
[02:59] <Adambuntu> ok phew
[02:59] <Adambuntu> sheesh, I got scared there
[02:59] <brassbonanza> @Adambuntu: on reboot nothing has changed
[03:00] <Adambuntu> okay... try using the other drivers to switch back and forth, that app does a good job on getting things right
[03:00] <brassbonanza> @adambuntu: "ethernet network disconnected/ vpn connection ->/ enable network (checked) / connection information (blacked out) / edit connections
[03:00] <brassbonanza> @Adambuntu: what do you mean try using the other drivers?
[03:01] <Adambuntu> system>software & updates>additional drivers
[03:01] <brassbonanza> gotcha
[03:01] <Adambuntu> because that there does usually a perfect job on setting everything up right to be honest
[03:02] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu maybe I'll do ANOTHER fresh install
[03:02] <Adambuntu> not really needed to fix a crap driver
[03:02] <brassbonanza> So  my other option is to not use that device
[03:02] <brassbonanza> only two options I have
[03:03] <Adambuntu> well, if you are going to school with it, you kinda need wireless or... pick a good linux friendly USB wireless
[03:03] <brassbonanza> shit
[03:03] <Adambuntu> you can get those probably from walmart
[03:04] <Adambuntu> I know windows 10 hates those nics too even, my macbook running windows with that broadcom... it cuts out a lot at work
[03:04] <Adambuntu> they are garbage
[03:05] <brassbonanza> It's maddening
[03:05] <fishCode> yep
[03:05] <Adambuntu> indeed
[03:05] <fishCode> windows 10 ignores my nic
[03:05] <brassbonanza> It's 2016 and we still have issues with a network card not working just because
[03:05] <MrHall> hello
[03:05] <Adambuntu> well, those broadcoms were cheap
[03:05] <kulelu88> hardware is the final frontier
[03:05] <fishCode> X=
[03:06] <MrHall> im noob on linux
[03:06] <fishCode> me too
[03:06] <MrHall> i have a problem
[03:06] <Adambuntu> Welcome Mr. Hall
[03:06] <fishCode> MrHall, whats up
[03:06] <Adambuntu> What you got MrHall, maybe we can help
[03:06] <MrHall> when i start up the computer
[03:06] <MrHall> sometimes ubuntu have black screen
[03:06] <MrHall> and i need reboot my computer
[03:07] <Adambuntu> like it stays black?
[03:07] <fishCode> i had that happen to me the day before yesterday
[03:07] <MrHall> yes
[03:07] <fishCode> i just switched back to linux from windows
[03:07] <fishCode> and i had that problem on a few of my many installs
[03:08] <Adambuntu> well, basically it sounds like the login manager didn´t load
[03:08] <MrHall> but i reboot and ubuntu work
[03:08] <Adambuntu> black screen when you start is common, but it should load the login screen once the kernel and background processes load
[03:08] <MrHall> nono
[03:09] <fishCode> i also had a problem with it loading to the login but after entering the password it would occasionally hang with the default background and not load further
[03:09] <MrHall> only black screen
[03:09] <Honkii> no flashing cursor ?
[03:09] <MrHall> i can write
[03:09] <wsky> MrHall: well i'd advice you to login to a tty and look at the logs but i guess it's out of your reach
[03:09] <Adambuntu> ctrl+alt+f2 does nothing?
[03:09] <Adambuntu> or hitting escape?
[03:10] <MrHall> i can write on the black screen
[03:10] <fishCode> Adambuntu, that same thing happened to me when i installed
[03:10] <MrHall> but commands dont work
[03:10] <MrHall> doesnt
[03:10] <Honkii> does this happen mid session ?
[03:10] <Honkii> or just on boot ?
[03:11] <MrHall> just booy
[03:11] <MrHall> boot
[03:11] <Honkii> yup
[03:11] <MrHall> after boot
[03:11] <Honkii> i had that happen when I had a bad image
[03:11] <fishCode> hmm
[03:11] <fishCode> interesting
[03:11] <Adambuntu> video card?
[03:11] <Honkii> also, could be cupu / gpu
[03:11] <Adambuntu> out of curiosity
[03:11] <MrHall> i have a netbook
[03:11] <MrHall> intel
[03:12] <MrHall> video and procesor intel
[03:12] <brassbonanza> Adambuntu: best way to check if a external wireless usb is going to be linux friendly?
[03:12] <kulelu88> MrHall: does it show 1 blinking cursor and a black screen?
[03:12] <fishCode> when it happened to me it would work very well - the whole computer - when it loaded
[03:12] <fishCode> but then sometimes it would give me that blank screen
[03:13] <Adambuntu> brassbonanza let me see if I can find a compatibility list
[03:13] <fishCode> MrHall, have you installed more than once?
[03:13] <Honkii> the black flashing cursor is usually related to a) bad image b) cpu / gpu incompatibility (macbook for example) c) grub
[03:13] <MrHall> no
[03:13] <MrHall> i had kali
[03:13] <Adambuntu> brassbonanza, http://www.wirelesshack.org/top-linux-compatible-usb-wireless-adapters.html
[03:14] <MrHall> but i deleted it and format my computer
[03:14] <fishCode> Honkii, would that be an intermittent problem though?
[03:14] <FoeHammered> Hiya. I feel like slamming my head into the wall of figuring out what I'm doing with my video drivers. It recently came to my attention that I don't seem to be using my video card properly. Would somebody please help me confirm this, and help me attempt to get some hardware acceleration out of it? It's a 2GB AMD Radeon R7 250.
[03:14] <Adambuntu> those tp-link ones on the link are really good
[03:14] <Honkii> could be - but nothing i could do would remove that blinking cursor from my macbook air
[03:14] <fishCode> MrHall, if you formatted the drive and did a fresh install and are still having the issue it may be a bad drive?
[03:15] <fishCode> perhaps the drive is degrading
[03:15] <fishCode> ?
[03:15] <MrHall> i dont know
[03:15] <fishCode> or its a hardware issue that for some odd computer mystic reason is intermittent
[03:15] <MrHall> on windows work good
[03:15] <fishCode> hall
[03:15] <Adambuntu> I run intel on this i5 thinkpad, and it works, I based off ubuntu server, then installed mate-desktop during install, but yeah, it´s black while it loads, and it´s my first boot, so...
[03:15] <tnrl> Hello. I can't get ubuntu desktop or server installed. The screen simply dies in both cases. With desktop version it happens early. With server version, I get thru the install, but when boot from disk, screen shuts off.
[03:15] <MrHall> i have windows/linux
[03:16] <fishCode> i think ubuntu is in many ways more powerful a distro
[03:16] <fishCode> but try linux mint maybe
[03:16] <MrHall> ok
[03:16] <kulelu88> OerHeks: are you sure apt-clone stores the .deb packages also?
[03:16] <MrHall> i will download it
[03:16] <Honkii> its Kali, and it's a netbook - id put it down the the netbook and the cpu
[03:16] <fishCode> its basically ubuntu but slightly different packages are included by default
[03:16] <MrHall> xubuntu or kubuntu are good?
[03:16] <AhToyMaker> honkii, run awesome-wm on netbooks
[03:16] <fishCode> im running mint sarah right now after having similar issues as you with ubuntu 16.04
[03:16] <AhToyMaker> MrHall, yeah they are...
[03:16] <tnrl> I did get both installed on an old netbook this past weekend.
[03:16] <MrHall> i have ubuntu 12
[03:16] <fishCode> and sarah has run well for me so far
[03:17] <fishCode> oh that is way outdated
[03:17] <fishCode> you should download the latest one and see if that fixes you problem?
[03:17] <kulelu88> MrHall: xubuntu is perfect for older machines
[03:17] <AhToyMaker> what's linux mint desktop environment?
[03:17] <kulelu88> or lubuntu
[03:17] <tnrl> Can someone help me, please.
[03:17] <MrHall> fishCode: because its ligther
[03:17] <Adambuntu> mint is cinnimon or mate
[03:17] <MrHall> lubuntu or kubuntu are good?
[03:17] <kulelu88> kubuntu is too heavy
[03:18] <AhToyMaker> Adambuntu, is it cpu intensive?
[03:18] <Honkii> no
[03:18] <kulelu88> you need lubuntu or xubuntu
[03:18] <MrHall> yes
[03:18] <MrHall> what is better?
[03:18] <Honkii> mint / fedora
[03:18] <Adambuntu> AhToyMaker, no
[03:18] <kulelu88> they should be about the same
[03:18] <tnrl> * that should have been: please?
[03:18] <Adambuntu> Mate is like... a fork of gnome2
[03:18] <Adambuntu> so itś fast
[03:18] <MrHall> ok thanks guys
[03:19] <MrHall> i will install xubuntu or lubuntu
[03:19] <kulelu88> good luck
[03:19] <Adambuntu> LXDE is ultra lite, and Lubuntu comes with it, it´s pretty yet fast
[03:19] <MrHall> lxde?
[03:19] <MrHall> i dont know
[03:20] <MrHall> yes
[03:20] <MrHall> i know
[03:20] <Adambuntu> yeah, Lite X Desktop Enviroment MrHall
[03:20] <MrHall> i installed it
[03:20] <MrHall> and my computer crash
[03:20] <Adambuntu> lubuntu did?!
[03:20] <Adambuntu> wow
[03:20] <MrHall> the problem started up in this time
[03:20] <kulelu88> MrHall: are you using a dualboot?
[03:21] <MrHall> kulelu88:
[03:21] <MrHall> yes
[03:21] <Adambuntu> I haven´t used it in a while, maybe they broke it. Lubuntu last I checked has a pretty small team :/
[03:21] <zotex> so.... i have a computer with windows xp on it that i have updated the drivers on and now it wont start.... all i want to do is get my files off of it bc its 10 years old... if i use a usb with ubuntu on it (assuming the desktop will load far enough to boot from usb) can i use that as a "live os" to get the files?
[03:21] <Adambuntu> I do know the distro didn´t work great on laptops compared to desktops
[03:21] <dax> zotex: should be able to
[03:22] <kulelu88> alright, lubuntu fails, so then try xubuntu MrHall
[03:22] <zotex> dax: if it wont get far enough to see the usb what would you recommend
[03:22] <kulelu88> how you're fetching those giant .isos so fast is amazing 0.o
[03:22] <MrHall> ok i will try xubuntu
[03:22] <MrHall> ty guys :)
[03:23] <kulelu88> zotex: try booting from a lighter nix-OS
[03:23] <dax> zotex: probably pulling the hard drive out, attaching it to another non-broken computer, and booting from that
[03:23] <dax> zotex: but it really depends on the details
[03:23] <kulelu88> or what dax said ^^
[03:24] <zotex> kulelu88: what os would you recommend
[03:24] <Adambuntu> Zotex: You can do that off a live CD/USB yes, I´ve done that before myself. Basically you mount the drive you are trying to save, copy the contents onto a usb hard drive :)
[03:25] <FoeHammered> Actually, it says "Direct Rendering: Yes" under system information. Does this mean I'm actually making use of the GPU?
[03:25] <zotex> dax: im not sure how to plug the HD into the other computer
[03:25] <kulelu88> No idea, but I think Kali is usb boot-friendly?
[03:25] <Adambuntu> zotex: is it an IDE?
[03:25] <zotex> Adambuntu: thanks im just hoping it will recognize the cd/usb or get far enough into the boot sequence before the screen goes blank
[03:26] <zotex> Adambuntu: its just an old pc with win xp.. not used for anything but photoshop really
[03:27] <zotex> kulelu88: since you mentioned it... do you know anything about putting kali tools on ubuntu?
[03:28] <kulelu88> zotex: what kind of tools?
[03:29] <Adambuntu> zotex: Basically, if it´ś just some driver issue, the liveusb/cd route should work just fine
[03:29] <zotex> kulelu88: all of its penetration tools
[03:29] <OerHeks> !kali
[03:30] <zotex> Adambuntu: okay.. hopefully that will work.. ill try in a few minutes
[03:30] <Adambuntu> perhaps try an old version of ubuntu if it doesn´t load on modern ubuntu, perhaps 12.04 or something
[03:30] <kulelu88> oh wait, zotex are you using 64-bit ubuntu?
[03:30] <zotex> kulelu88: yea why
[03:30] <Adambuntu> yeah, you probably need 32bit if you are not a 64-bit cpu :/
[03:30] <kulelu88> your winXP is possibly 32-bit
[03:31] <zotex> you guys are probably right i didnt think about that
[03:31] <kulelu88> OerHeks: you are a man of few words
[03:31] <zotex> lol
[03:32] <OerHeks> 64 bit could mount 32 bit xp partitions ..
[03:32] <Adambuntu> he wants to run it on the old hardware
[03:33] <zotex> isnt there a 32-bit ubuntu 16.04
[03:33] <zotex> or should i just use an old one
[03:33] <zotex> and how far back should i go lol
[03:33] <OerHeks> i386
[03:33] <OerHeks> can't you find it on ubuntu.com ?
[03:33] <Adambuntu> there is a 32bit yes
[03:34] <Adambuntu> I´m looking at the torrent on alternate downloads
[03:34] <Adambuntu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent?_ga=1.154559995.258616715.1472006150
[03:34] <kulelu88> zotex: ubuntu 12.04 32-bit is still supported
[03:35] <OerHeks> only lubuntu and server fits on cd
[03:35] <Adambuntu> and server isn´t live :/
[03:36] <OerHeks> maybe better for his kali tools stuff :-P
[03:37] <Adambuntu> if you got a decently sized usb thumbstick... unetbootin and that iso... make you a live usb
[03:37] <zotex> adamubuntu: i do
[03:37] <Adambuntu> then boot off that... voila :)
[03:37] <zotex> Adambuntu: that was what i was about to do
[03:38] <Adambuntu> I haven´t used an optical drive in years ^_^
[03:39] <zotex> Adambuntu: just to be sure your sayin to rufus/unetbootin the 32bit ubuntu 16 right
[03:40] <Adambuntu> yes
[03:40] <zotex> alright
[03:40] <Adambuntu> I don´t know what rufus is though
[03:40] <Adambuntu> just unetbootin
[03:40] <kulelu88> zotex: you will likely need to modify your boot loader to make it boot from USB
[03:40] <zotex> same thing
[03:40] <kulelu88> OerHeks: do you use apt-clone?
[03:40] <zotex> kulelu88: youre probably right and it wont load that far
[03:40] <zotex> or boot that far
[03:41] <kulelu88> zotex: unless the machine is physically broken, I don't see why it won't run normally
[03:41] <Guest63157> salve
[03:41] <Adambuntu> all you do is go into bios, set the boot order to 1:usb, 2:cdrom, 2:hard drive that you normally boot
[03:41] <zotex> kulelu88: ok ill try
[03:41] <Adambuntu> 3:hard drive*
[03:42] <zotex> Adambuntu: yea i know im just hoping it gets that far
[03:42] <wsky> unetbootin is dead, don't use it
[03:42] <wsky> dd is just enough for linux nowdays, hell even cp
[03:42] <wsky> and for windows you got winsetupfromusb
[03:43] <Adambuntu> it´s an old XP machine with outdated bios
[03:43] <zotex> !kali
[03:43] <Adambuntu> sure, modern uefi can do that stuff, but on old boxes, unetbootin works fine :)
[03:44] <zotex> i was just going to use rufus on this machine and plug it into the old one and hope it starts
[03:44] <zotex> so i can get my work off of it
[03:44] <zotex> then idc
[03:44] <zotex> lol
[03:45] <Adambuntu> well, it´s late here, good luck there zotex, hope you get all your work back.
[03:46] <zotex> Adambuntu: thanks for your help
[03:46] <kulelu88> just removing the HDD and connecting elsewhere may be a lot faster
[03:46] <zotex> kulelu88: dont i need certain cables to do that or something? lol
[03:46] <zotex> idk
[03:46] <Adambuntu> unless it´s an ide hard drive and the only other system you have is sata, and you don´t have an ide usb enclosure
[03:47] <Adambuntu> or ide controller
[03:47] <kulelu88> zotex: the current cables that connect the HDD to the motherboard and powersupply should be adequate
[03:47] <zotex> but im on a laptop
[03:47] <Adambuntu> basically, does the hard drive have a wide ribbon cable on the end around 2-3 inches wide?
[03:48] <Adambuntu> or a little sata around .5 inches wide
[03:48] <Adambuntu> if that
[03:48] <zotex> Adambuntu: from what i remember when i replaced the power supply yes
[03:48] <Adambuntu> wide ribbon = ide
[03:48] <zotex> the ribbon
[03:49] <Adambuntu> modern pc´s don´t even have ide controllers on the motherboards anymore
[03:49] <zotex> so i need an old desktop
[03:49] <Adambuntu> no, you can use the one it´s in
[03:49] <Adambuntu> using the liveusb
[03:49] <Adambuntu> and a usb hard drive
[03:50] <zotex> im gonna try the 32 bit ubuntu first
[03:50] <Adambuntu> k
[04:02] <JimW> Hello
[04:02] <wsky> hi
[04:02] <bowlofsoup> whats up
[04:03] <JimW> New here
[04:04] <wsky> it's a support channel
[04:04] <wsky> nothing interesting
[04:04] <JimW> Okay, am new to linux and this chat
[04:04] <bowlofsoup> anybody have any idea why my ubuntu boot loader is bypassing the bios settings on my laptop?
[04:05] <JimW> I think it is a Windows 10 issue
[04:05] <bowlofsoup> JimW: the laptop is only running ubuntu
[04:06] <wsky> bowlofsoup: what bios settings?
[04:06] <JimW> okay, I just installed tonight and have to get to boot manager to get on Ubuntu
[04:08] <bowlofsoup> wsky: i wanted to reinstall ubuntu from a usb drive but i cant get to the boot menu
[04:08] <JimW> Quit
[04:08] <JimW> :Quit
[04:08] <wsky> /
[04:09] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm seeing this really weird issue with xubuntu 16.04 on a t430 thinkpad
[04:10] <Hail_Spacecake> and also in a different version of linux on the same computer
[04:10] <Hail_Spacecake> basically, the touchpad mouse buttons suddenly stopped working
[04:10] <wsky> bowlofsoup: there are multiple things that fail which results in you not being able to boot the drive
[04:10] <wsky> bowlofsoup: and it has nothing to do with "bypassing thew bios settings" as you described it
[04:11] <wsky> bowlofsoup: a) the image might be corrupt or inproperly copied to the drive b) the bios settings are incorect c) your hardware might be incompatibile
[04:12] <wsky> bowlofsoup: d) you might be encountering a hardware bug that prevents the image from booting
[04:12] <bowlofsoup> wsky: okay i appreciate your patience cause im super new at this.. i think the image i installed to begin with was corrupt which is why i am in the process of trying to do a clean install
[04:13] <wsky> check the sha1sum
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> when I switch to a virtual console and switch back, the mouse cursor disappears
[04:14] <wsky> bowlofsoup: btw. do you use uefi or legacy boot on the machine of yours
[04:14] <bowlofsoup> wsky: i have ubuntu running on my tower pc with no issues alongside windows 10 in legacy mode
[04:15] <bowlofsoup> wasky: the laptop may be trying to but from uefi but i cant get into the settings to change it now at all
[04:16] <Hail_Spacecake> I can still move the mouse around the screen and click, it's just that the cursor is gone
[04:16] <Hail_Spacecake> er, not visible
[04:18] <Hail_Spacecake> and I'm seeing this same behavior in both xubuntu
[04:18] <Hail_Spacecake> and in antergos
[04:20] <Hail_Spacecake> I vaguely remember reading something about state being saved in a synaptics touchpad that could persist across reboots/os reinstalls
[04:20] <Hail_Spacecake> I can't find a citation for this but it's a thing I remember reading
[04:24] <Guest10673> Is Rclone reliable?
[04:24] <Guest10673> it doesn't seem to be in the repos
[04:30] <web> ?
[04:33] <seshomaru> ?
[04:34] <dax> seshomaru: hi, welcome to #ubuntu, a technical support channel for Ubuntu Linux
[04:43] <budder> hello
[04:43] <budder> i am trying to install ununtu alongside windows
[04:44] <budder> i was planning touse USB
[04:44] <wsky> !thumbdrive
[04:44] <wsky> !usb
[04:44] <budder> installation guide says you will need a system wehre GNU/linux is already running?
[04:44] <wsky> no
[04:45] <wsky> you can use windowskimager in order to write an ubuntu image to the drive
[04:45] <wsky> windiskimager*
[04:45] <cfhowlett> budder, that is not what is says.
[04:45] <budder> bottom of page 33 https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/install.en.pdf
[04:46] <budder> under 4.3
[04:47] <cfhowlett> budder, unetbootin
[04:47] <cfhowlett> !unetbootin
[04:48] <wsky> cfhowlett: unetbootin is abandoned and deprecated
[04:48] <kungr> what is a easy simple screen capture software for 14.04? not twitch streaming or posting to youtube
[04:48] <cfhowlett> works on windows.  creates a bootable USB for ubuntu
[04:48] <wsky> no one develops it since years
[04:48] <cfhowlett> !!!! d'oh!
[04:48] <wsky> cfhowlett: windiskimager works like dd for windows
[04:49] <cfhowlett> eh, he left.  thanks for the update wsky
[05:00] <sambagirl> hi is there a procedure for providing a domain name for you server instead of using the ip address?
[05:05] <sambagirl> hi is there a procedure for providing a domain name for you server instead of using the ip address?
[05:06] <gapert> dunno
[05:07] <sambagirl>  an app i am using need a real domain name so i have to apply domain name to that server
[05:08] <sambagirl> should i use this? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-host-name-with-digitalocean
[05:08] <dax> buy domain name, use domain registrar's DNS servers or find another to use, point domain at IP address using A or AAAA record
[05:08] <dax> none of this is Ubuntu-specific really
[05:09] <sambagirl> i did this years ago but i forgot what i did and things have changed
[05:10] <sambagirl> shouldnt i use the isp's dns servers? and tell the registrar to use those dns
[05:10] <sambagirl> dax?
[05:10] <sambagirl> thanks for answering btw dax
[05:10] <dax> does your ISP offer DNS hosting services?
[05:10] <dax> i've never used one that does :\
[05:11] <sambagirl> i got 5 static ip's from them and have been servers with ip exclusive
[05:11] <dax> other option would be rolling your own DNS server (using bind or something), but i've never done that myself
[05:11] <cfhowlett> sambagirl, ask #networking?
[05:12] <sambagirl> ok thanks
[05:12] <dax> yeah, that may be a better option than here
[05:13] <rypervenche> sambagirl: You can set a domain in your /etc/hosts file and it will work from that machine.
[05:14] <rypervenche> sambagirl: However, if you need everyone to be able to use it, then you will need to purchase a domain and then have it hosted somewhere (your registrar can host it for you and should be set up that way by default)
[05:18] <wsky> sambagirl: you probably want reverse dns, it relies on your isp in how to set it up
[05:18] <john_KE> hi there, I am running 14.04 on a HP 450-G2 64 bit .. i have recently noticed that I cant resume after system suspend the systems freezes and keyboard hands ans mouse hangs as well till i hard reboot with power off .. any ideas why
[05:22]  * gavin back
[05:23] <john_KE> hi there, I am running 14.04 on a HP 450-G2 64 bit .. i have recently noticed that I cant resume after system suspend the systems freezes and keyboard hands ans mouse hangs as well till i hard reboot with power off .. any ideas why and other than suspend-log where else can i check for error ?
[06:03] <Researcher> hi
[06:03] <Researcher> :)
[06:11] <te_lanus> :D
[06:14] <k_sze[work]> Is there any easy way to check whether a process was forked and daemonized?
[06:14] <te_lanus> anyone know of where one could find unlzx for ubuntu 16.04
[06:20] <tjone270_> Hi, I'm havinhi, got something strange going on with Python 3.5: I'm getting exceptions when I try to run a script I've made got to do with the threading module, however this doesn't happen on non-Debian derived OSes or MS Windows/Apple macOS, I'll paste the exception below:
[06:20] <tjone270_> http://paste.debian.net/791232/
[06:27] <fishCode> tjone270, try the #python channel
[06:28] <tjone270> thanks fishCode
[06:28] <fishCode> tjone270, np
[06:29] <martancho> hola
[06:29] <BadboyKAS>  check out ] game changing idea http://pastebin.ca/3704261
[06:30] <martancho> alguien?
[06:30] <Lausefuchs> !es martancho
[06:30] <Lausefuchs> err ... how did that stupid bot work
[06:31] <Lausefuchs> martancho: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[06:31] <dax> Lausefuchs: | between factoid and nick
[06:31] <martancho> lausefus gracias
[06:31] <Lausefuchs> martancho: si habla Inglés, puede pedir aquí también. En Inglés, por favor
[06:31] <Lausefuchs> martancho: de nada :)
[06:31] <Lausefuchs> dax: thanks
[06:31] <dax> BadboyKAS: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support, please take other topics to a different channel, thank you :)
[06:33] <martancho> hi. somebody to talk?
[06:36] <iz_> hi, I executed autoremove and I get brocken package error while installing apache2, any Ideas?
[06:41] <backbox> hi everyone
[06:42] <wsky> hi
[06:47] <blut> Hello. I setup autofs according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs, however my home directories don't get mounted.
[06:48] <blut> restarting autofs works, but on accessing /home (which I want to automount) nothing happens.
[06:49] <sambagirl> rypervenche thanks ryypervenche
[06:50] <sambagirl> thanks wsky
[06:52] <sambagirl> wsky you mean a ptr record?
[06:54] <Researcher> hi sambagirl
[06:54] <Researcher> sambagirl : ptr record means the rdns for ip address for your domain
[06:55] <Researcher> for example : abc.com resolves to 1.2.3.4 so when nslookup 1.2.3.4 rdns entry should resolve to abc.com
[07:10] <sambagirl> ahh thanks researcher
[07:11] <sambagirl> i'll report later what i do
[07:11] <Researcher> you are welcome sambagirl
[07:11] <iz_> some times to the solution to ubuntu problem is to read, thanks.
[07:12] <iz_> to read the console output.
[07:12] <iz_> thanks!
[07:13] <boichev> I am trying to MASQUARADE (NAT) traffic comming ONLY from 10.10.0.0/24 going out to the internet and pass through the IPSEC traffic going to 10.20.0.0/24 without nat... can someone help me with the iptables rule for the masquarade ?
[07:24] <zetheroo> in 16.04 what is the correct/best way to get a script to execute on a particular users' login?
[07:34] <ZeekHuge> zetheroo: startup applications ? no ?
[07:35] <zetheroo>  ZeekHuge: yeah, I thought so too as that is what I was using in 14.04, but it doesn't seem to work all the time or with all scripts ... not sure what the issue is.
[07:36] <zetheroo> Is there a way to see the output of items executed in the Startup Applications dialog?
[07:38] <ZeekHuge> zetheroo:  probably In the command section of your startup item, execute it as 'script.sh 2>scrit_op.txt 1>script_op.txt'
[07:38] <ZeekHuge> and then see the contents of script.txt
[07:38] <zetheroo> ok, will try.
[07:39] <ZeekHuge> zetheroo: also if you can run your script from dash, that is Alt+F2 and then to the script, it should be executed in the similar way by startup.
[07:39] <zetheroo> One other thing I am not sure of is if the command should be './script.sh' or 'script.sh' or './home/user/script.sh' ... ?
[07:39] <ZeekHuge> though not sure, but I thinks this is how it works
[07:40] <ZeekHuge> well, the script should be accessible
[07:40] <ZeekHuge> executing a command in terminal 'command', just indicates the terminal that there is a script/executable in the $PATH.
[07:41] <ZeekHuge> to execute a local script, we need to tell the terminal "no the script is not in the $PATH but in the local folder" and that is why we execute it as ./script.sh
[07:41] <zetheroo> in the terminal I can execute the command with './script.sh'
[07:41] <ZeekHuge> you may understand it by doing ls ./
[07:42] <ZeekHuge> it will should the contents of your current location
[07:42] <zetheroo> but is it the same for the command in Applications Startup?
[07:42] <ZeekHuge> nope .. in startup .. enter the absolute address .. starting from / ,ie root
[07:43] <ZeekHuge> :s/will should/will show/g
[07:44] <zetheroo> so './home/user/script.sh' is correct then
[07:45] <ZeekHuge> zetheroo: it should be '/home/user/script.sh', (that is without that dot at the start)
[07:47] <zetheroo> ok
[07:48] <zetheroo> that doesn't seem to work ... at least not all the time, so I will try to get some output from the script
[07:50] <greentwip-dev> game development anyone
[07:51] <greentwip-dev> cool tool here github.com/greentwip/windy
[07:51] <greentwip-dev> requires development
[07:51] <greentwip-dev> and we are really overwhelmed by its development
[07:52] <greentwip-dev> github.com/greentwip/gt-engine already has a 2d implementation for fast development via lua interfacing
[07:54] <Vuurdraak_> hi all, my updater keeps crashing: "update-manager crashed with xserver-xorg-lts-xenial in_show_transaction(): Depends:xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial (>=2:1.17.2-2) but 2:1.18.3-1ubuntu2.2-trusty2 is to be installed" and then it list some mesa drivers depending on this stuff, even though I do not use the mesa drivers o.O, AM I forced to install Ubuntu 16 LTS ?
[07:56] <Vuurdraak_> It's kinda of sad if I'm forced to install version 16.04 LTS, I was under the impression that 14.04 LTS would continued to get support :'(
[07:57] <zetheroo> ok, this doesn't seem to be working ... how do I see the output of the things listed in Startup Applications being executed?
[07:58] <Vuurdraak_> i guess you would need to pipe the output to a file while an aplication is started
[07:59] <xervans> hi guys can someone help me here, i cannot locate the sysstat package, running 16.04
[07:59] <zetheroo> So there is no log of what gets executed when a user logs in?
[07:59] <Vuurdraak_> there are logs in /var/log
[07:59] <xervans> I've checked here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/allpackages
[08:00] <Vuurdraak_> like kern.log
[08:00] <Vuurdraak_> not sure which log if any is used for startup aplications
[08:00] <ducasse> zetheroo: if there are errors they might be in ~/.xsession-errors
[08:01] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: this is just an update, not an upgrade?
[08:01] <Vuurdraak_> i get the crash now when istarted the pc
[08:01] <Vuurdraak_> i read the website wiki
[08:01] <Vuurdraak_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL
[08:02] <Vuurdraak_> and it says im forced to upgrade to 16.04 LTS if stuff doesn't want to install
[08:02] <Vuurdraak_> im not happy with that
[08:02] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: hang on, let me take a look.
[08:02] <zetheroo> should this work from Startup Applications? '/home/user/script.sh 2>script_op.txt 1>script_op.txt'
[08:04] <Vuurdraak_> @zetheroo, it looks legit not sure how it works with 2 & 1
[08:04] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: you can either stay on the original trusty kernel, run the xenial hwe stack or upgrade to xenial. seems you are trying to use the xenial hwe stack?
[08:04] <zetheroo> going to try it with absolute paths
[08:05] <Vuurdraak_> when i try to update/upgrade the xenial stack it crashes
[08:05] <Vuurdraak_> so i guess im forced to go to 16 :(
[08:05] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo apt-get install -f'?
[08:05] <Vuurdraak_> okay one moment
[08:05] <MEJIOMAH17> Hi! I write app on java for ubuntu unity 16.04.   Standard class SystemTray provide terrible result. Is there a native library for java to work with Tray?
[08:06] <Vuurdraak_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[08:06] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:06] <zetheroo> no luck
[08:07] <Vuurdraak_> will that upgrade the system to 16.04 ?
[08:07] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: no.
[08:07] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: it will just get you a newer hwe stack.
[08:07] <zetheroo> and I have no idea where to look for the logs that show what's done when a user logs in so I have no way of knowing what is and is not executed from the Startup Applications dialog
[08:08] <Vuurdraak_> done it , it upgrade a bunch of packages
[08:08] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: now try 'sudo apt-get install -f' again, see if there are errors.
[08:08] <Vuurdraak_> now it says software on this pc is uptodate :)
[08:08] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: you should be ready to reboot now.
[08:09] <Vuurdraak_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[08:09] <ducasse> vuruse dist-upgrade for kernel upgrades, not just upgrade.
[08:09] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: use dist-upgrade for kernel upgrades, not just upgrade.
[08:10] <Vuurdraak_> okay so i should now reboot and run "dist-upgrade" ?
[08:10] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: no, now just reboot and you should be set. use dist-upgrade when you upgrade in the f\uture.
[08:11] <Vuurdraak_> okay :D, going down for reboot brb, thanks in advance
[08:11] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: yw
[08:12] <ducasse> zetheroo: did you look in ~/.xsession-errors?
[08:12] <zetheroo>  ducasse: yes
[08:12] <MacroMan> $USER doesn't seem to be set when calling a shell script from cron. Is there a fix or an alternative?
[08:12] <Vuurdraak_> back :)
[08:12] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: everything ok?
[08:13] <Vuurdraak_> checking
[08:13] <ducasse> MacroMan: you can set variables in your crontab
[08:13] <MacroMan> ducasse, Without doing that lol?
[08:14] <ducasse> MacroMan: parse the output from 'id'?
[08:14] <MacroMan> I want to record which users cron it cam from without having to get each user to add a variable in
[08:14] <Vuurdraak_> it now says all software is up to date, how ever when i run "hwe-support-status" it still does say i got a warning for the xenial stack
[08:14] <Vuurdraak_> There is a graphics stack installed on this system. An upgrade to a
[08:14] <Vuurdraak_> configuration supported for the full lifetime of the LTS will become
[08:14] <Vuurdraak_> available on 2016-07-21 and can be installed by running 'update-manager'
[08:14] <Vuurdraak_> in the Dash.
[08:15] <Vuurdraak_> running update mannager then just says all is fine
[08:15] <Vuurdraak_> so i guess it's okay i don't know :)
[08:15] <MacroMan> ducasse, I'll give that a try
[08:15] <Vuurdraak_> at least the error is gone , o thanks :)
[08:15] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: i don't know about that, sorry. what is the output of 'uname -r'?
[08:16] <Vuurdraak_> 3.16.0-77-generic
[08:17] <Vuurdraak_> i'm using a special repository with extra newer nvidia drivers, not in the main repository, maybe its because of that ?
[08:17] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: aha. try 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-xenial'
[08:17] <Vuurdraak_> okay
[08:17] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: no, it wants the xenial kernel to match the rest of the hwe stack.
[08:17] <Vuurdraak_> it's installing stuff \o/
[08:18] <Vuurdraak_> new kernels inbound :)
[08:18] <zetheroo> I have this is my script but it seems to ignore the 5 seconds sleep part: echo "sh -c "sleep 5 && gvfs-mount smb://server/share""
[08:19] <Vuurdraak_> yep new 4.4.0.34.24 kernel is now installed, i will reboot brbr :)
[08:20] <MacroMan> ducasse, I found out I can use $(whoami) which works from cron
[08:20] <ducasse> MacroMan: yes, that's probably easier :)
[08:22] <Vuurdraak_> back, the new kernel seems to give me a problem, i rebooted to the old one, as ubuntu gets stuck in a login loop
[08:22] <Vuurdraak_> i get to the login page, but then it crashes or what ever and goes back to the login page
[08:23] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: ok, do "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-xenial libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-xenial" to make sure you have everything.
[08:23] <Vuurdraak_> okidoki :)
[08:23] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: i got that from the wiki, so it should grab all you need.
[08:24] <Vuurdraak_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[08:24] <Vuurdraak_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[08:24] <Vuurdraak_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[08:24] <Vuurdraak_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[08:24] <Vuurdraak_> let me do a pastbin
[08:24] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: do that.
[08:25] <Vuurdraak_> http://pastebin.com/U11wEiT0
[08:26] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-xenial libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-xenial libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-xenial libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-xenial:i386 libglapi-mesa-lts-xenial:i386"
[08:27] <Vuurdraak_> okay :)
[08:27] <Vuurdraak_> new stuff is downloading :)
[08:27] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: cross your fingers :)
[08:27] <Vuurdraak_> and stuff gets removed xD
[08:28]  * Vuurdraak_ crosses fingers
[08:28] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: yes, hwe stack upgrades may remove older packages.
[08:28]  * Vuurdraak_ does a rain dance around the chair , while yelling ubuntu ubuntu
[08:28] <Vuurdraak_> :)
[08:29] <Vuurdraak_> pure magic atm what is happening for me :)
[08:29] <Vuurdraak_> wizard ducasse :)
[08:29] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: :) let's hope it works now.
[08:30] <Vuurdraak_> hehe yeh, should i reboot ?
[08:30] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: were there any errors?
[08:30] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: try 'sudo apt-get install -f' to check.
[08:31] <Vuurdraak_> i see a vew message with possible dependency problems, where it says it removes it anyway, you want a pastbin of all the stuff ?
[08:31] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: yes, please.
[08:32] <Vuurdraak_> maybe not all stuff is in the past as it seems cut off at the top of the terminal, going to pastbin one moment
[08:33] <Vuurdraak_> http://pastebin.com/CAsSSiLn
[08:34] <zetheroo> man this used to work in 14.04 ... I don't know what changed
[08:35] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: have you got pastebinit installed?
[08:35] <zetheroo> all I need is for a gvfs-mount command to run with a 3 - 5 second delay on user login :P
[08:35] <Vuurdraak_> uhm i dont think so
[08:36] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: ok, 'sudo apt-get install -f | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:36] <zetheroo> in 14.04 I had this in the Startup Applications command: sleep 5; gvfs-mount smb://server/share
[08:36] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: then paste the url here
[08:36] <zetheroo> and that worked
[08:37] <Vuurdraak_> sudo apt-get install -f | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:37] <Vuurdraak_> oos lol
[08:37] <Vuurdraak_> http://termbin.com/ul0o
[08:37] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: excellent, it all looks good now.
[08:37] <Vuurdraak_> \o/
[08:37] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: it _should_ work fine on reboot.
[08:37] <Vuurdraak_> reboot and try again with the new kernel ?
[08:38] <Vuurdraak_> okay going down for reboot :)
[08:38] <Vuurdraak_> brb
[08:39] <Vuurdraak_> \o/ yeeh new kernel is working properly now :)
[08:40] <Vuurdraak_> vuurdraak@phenom-970:~$ hwe-support-status
[08:40] <Vuurdraak_> Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until april 2019.
[08:40] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: excellent, you can do 'sudo apt-get autoremove' to clean up a couple of left-over packages, it won't harm anything.
[08:40] <Vuurdraak_> it's now all good :) wow thatnks a lot wizard ducasse , bows politely
[08:41] <Vuurdraak_> okay :)
[08:41] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: you're very welcome :)
[08:42] <Vuurdraak_> you saved my beacon :) as i wanted to stay on 14.04 LTS for Steam, as a lot of games still claim to only support 14.04 LTS
[08:42] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: if you need to do this again later, you can find all you need here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[08:42] <Vuurdraak_> bacon*
[08:42] <zetheroo> ok, besides Startup Applications ... what another way to get a script executed on a users' login?
[08:42] <Vuurdraak_> okay thanks , i will bookmark the page
[08:42] <ducasse> zetheroo: systemd user unit?
[08:43] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: hope all your games work :)
[08:43] <Vuurdraak_> :) me too
[08:43] <Vuurdraak_> I guess most games will also support 16.04
[08:44] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: they should. if you want to upgrade later just come back, and we'll help.
[08:44] <Vuurdraak_> but I'm not entirly ready to try it, specialy since it cost a lot of time to reinstall all stuff, if i go 16.04 I rather do a clean install & format etc
[08:44] <Vuurdraak_> yeh thanks a lot for the help, i love this channel :)
[08:45] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: might be smart, if you have a graphics driver ppa that can screw things up.
[08:46] <Vuurdraak_> yeh i got this extra graphics driver ppa, because i wanted to use a newer nvidia driver, that has hardware encoder capabilities for OBS
[08:47] <Shravan> Hi
[08:48] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: if it has packages for xenial it _might_ work, but to be honest the 14.04->16.04 upgrade has had some problems...
[08:49] <Vuurdraak_> if i encounter problems with the drivers i will switch back to the original main repository suplied ones, i go fire up a game , see if i get a problem
[08:49] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: do that. anyway, glad you're uptodate now, you should be set for another three years :)
[08:50] <Vuurdraak_> game is running fine with the 3.64 driver from the extra ppa :)
[08:50] <Vuurdraak_> 364.19 driver sorry :)
[08:51] <Vuurdraak_> all seems to be good, thanks again
[08:51] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: no problem, enjoy :)
[08:51] <Vuurdraak_> ;)
[08:58] <zetheroo> systemd looks awful complicated for the purpose of executing a single command on user login :P
[08:58] <Vuurdraak_> lol
[08:59] <Vuurdraak_> i thought with all the discussions about systemd , is that it is designed to make things more complicated so you dont get bored using ur os :P
[09:00] <ducasse> zetheroo: it isn't really, it's just a new way of thinking about services.
[09:02] <zetheroo>  ducasse: do you know of any clear documentation on it ... so far stuff like this is making my head spin https://github.com/zoqaeski/systemd-user-units
[09:02] <zetheroo> maybe I can just slap the command into /etc/rc.local ? :D
[09:03] <ducasse> zetheroo: the canonical place is https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
[09:03] <Vuurdraak_> time to post a package, thanks again for the great help, and i hope you all have a great day and that all your problems will melt away like snow in the sun, cya around o/
[09:05] <qswz> What's the ppa for the latest chromium?
[09:06] <k1l_> qswz: ubuntu ships the latest chromium. not need for a ppa
[09:07] <qswz> I want at least dev
[09:07] <qswz> found it
[09:16] <WellDone2094> hi, I installed linux on my macbook using GPT and EFI boot, now i'm trying to install grub and configure it but something is not working, i can see a dark screen before linux boot but it last few second and I can't choose anything
[09:19] <zoli> hello. I have kaveri apu/cpu and i have poor video playback performance. How can I make it smooth?
[09:19] <zoli> especially on full screen and fullhd
[09:21] <jj995> 'sudo apt-get install libboost-timer-dev' gets stuck at "Unpacking libboost1.58-dev:amd64" for over 5 minutes.  After I killed the apt-get and dpkg processes and re-run, it gets stuck at the same place.  /var/log/apt/term.log doesn't show anything useful.  help please
[09:22] <zetheroo> does anyone here have experience with executing a command on login (not boot) in 16.04?
[09:24] <mcphail> jj995: that package unpacks to over 100MB. Perhaps it should take a while?
[09:24] <qswz> it's shitty
[09:25] <qswz> it's only chromium 51
[09:25] <ducasse> !latest | qswz
[09:25] <qswz> I aim at developing, with some recent tools
[09:26] <qswz> the newer feature in devtools for example
[09:27] <jj995> mcphail: thanks
[09:33] <DrSlony> Hello, how do I get "apt-get upgrade" to list the packages in column, not in a row?
[09:35] <Ben64> DrSlony: don't think you can
[09:36] <ducasse> DrSlony: you could try 'apt list --upgradable'
[09:42] <DrSlony> thanks
[09:44] <DrSlony> that works great ducasse
[09:44] <ducasse> DrSlony: be aware that apt is not considered stable for scripting
[09:46] <DrSlony> yeah, i just want to be able to see the list in a sane way
[09:48] <ducasse> DrSlony: for that it works just fine, yes :)
[09:49] <greentwip-dev> Anyone to have time for development?
[09:49] <greentwip-dev> We are just exhausted.
[09:49] <greentwip-dev> I mean, we can put those tools into canonical or dev tools as package
[09:50] <Ben64> is this leading to a support question?
[09:50] <ducasse> !ot | greentwip-dev try #ubuntu-packaging
[09:50] <greentwip-dev> we don't get money from its development, we can use commercial engines and such yet the fact is that it would loseits purpose
[09:51] <bazhang> greentwip-dev, thats not on topic here
[09:51] <bazhang> greentwip-dev, please take this to a chat channel
[09:51] <greentwip-dev> C++ development, who would.
[09:51] <ducasse> !alis | greentwip-dev
[09:51] <greentwip-dev> open source mit
[09:51] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic Please greentwip-dev
[09:52] <greentwip-dev> Would you think that drivers, graphical drivers are offtopic?
[09:52] <greentwip-dev> We can let nvidia to develop them.
[09:53] <ducasse> greentwip-dev: unless you're asking for support, yes
[09:53] <bazhang> greentwip-dev, do you have an actual technical question related to your ubuntu install or not
[09:53] <greentwip-dev> not at all
[09:54] <greentwip-dev> wait, probably yes
[09:54] <bazhang> greentwip-dev, this is not the channel for your type of questions then
[09:54] <greentwip-dev> do we have multimedia distributions?
[09:54] <bazhang> ubuntu studio greentwip-dev
[09:55] <greentwip-dev> bazhang that is awesome
[09:55] <bazhang> !studio | greentwip-dev
[09:58] <whome> ping
[09:59] <whome> any person here?
[09:59] <ducasse> whome: yep
[09:59] <bazhang> whome, yes
[09:59] <ido370nl> whome: yep
[09:59] <whome> im new in Xchat. what the topic? can i  join
[10:00] <bazhang> whome, ubuntu technical support
[10:01] <whome> bazhang, can u help me handle my problem in my terminal?
[10:01] <bazhang> whome, state the issue to the channel please, all on one line
[10:05] <whome> my metasploit app is error, when I enter the command "msfconsole", the result "/opt/metasploit-framework/config/boot.rb:2:in `require': no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError)
[10:05] <whome> 	from /opt/metasploit-framework/config/boot.rb:2
[10:05] <whome> 	from /usr/local/bin/msfconsole:45:in `require'
[10:05] <whome> 	from /usr/local/bin/msfconsole:45"
[10:05] <pandaadb> Hi - I wanted to try compton with unity in my Ubunut 16.04 setup to see if it fixes screen tearing for me. Is there a resource that describes how to set that up?
[10:05] <pandaadb> I am failing to find something suitable to work off
[10:06] <root____> you ren ma ?
[10:06] <joelio> whome: this Ubuntu support, maybe try #metasploit or perhaps #kali - whatever version you're running it's not packaged as it's in /usr/local
[10:07] <ducasse> pandaadb: what gpu are you using?
[10:07] <whome> joelio, so what should I do?
[10:07] <joelio> whome: what I just said, go to the correct channel
[10:08] <whome> joelio, ok sorry
[10:08] <joelio> fwiw you're missing rubygems, but that way of doing a require is not since 1.8 - which is really old and out of support life
[10:08] <pandaadb> ducasse, Intel Corporation Skylake Integrated Graphics + NVIDIA Corporation GM107GLM
[10:08] <pandaadb> having Nvidia disabled in the nvidia-settings currently because of tearing
[10:08] <root____> exit
[10:10] <Phanes> you know, i type in
[10:10] <Phanes> sudo apt-get upgrade thunar
[10:10] <Phanes> and it's updating my apache and mysql
[10:10] <Phanes> wtf guys
[10:10] <bazhang> no cursing here Phanes
[10:10] <k1l_> Phanes: that is not how apt-get works. it doesnt take single packages
[10:12] <ducasse> Phanes: if you want to upgrade just thunar, try 'sudo apt-get install thunar'
[10:16] <pandaadb> umm - ducasse sorry, network disconnect :/ i am not sure if i missed you saying things
[10:17] <BitKid> hI, how do i install .tar.gz files? do i have to do it from terminal ?
[10:17] <ducasse> pandaadb: i found an old article, don't know if it helps - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/how-to-fix-video-tearing-in-videos-nvidia-ubuntu/
[10:18] <Triffid_Hunter> BitKid: tar gz is basically linux version of zip, what do you mean by "install"? you want to extract somewhere
[10:18] <Triffid_Hunter> ?
[10:18] <pandaadb> thanks! I will have a read. I am kind of suspecting that i need to wait for the 370 release and the Xorg release and upgrade the kernel
[10:18] <hateball> pandaadb: you can install 370 from ppa if you like
[10:18] <k1l_> BitKid: you should look if that program is in the repos already. if not then read the instructions on the site you got the archive from or look into the archive for a readme
[10:18] <BitKid> well after I extract it, I still am not sure how to install it
[10:19] <mcphail> BitKid: a .tar.gz is just a compressed archive, like a zip file. It could contain _anything_ so there is no generic way to "install", just as there is no generic way to "install" a zip file on windows. Open it up and see if it contains instructions
[10:19] <bazhang> bitkid what is the package name
[10:19] <pandaadb> hateball, i saw that, but the docs say that it needs the new kernel and a certain version of Xorg (a certain commit) to properly work
[10:19] <pandaadb> i believe the 370 is meant to fix the synchronisation issue between intel + nvidia optimus cards
[10:19] <hateball> It is
[10:20] <pandaadb> yeah, i am afraid I am not experienced enough to build and install my own xorg from a certain commit :/
[10:20] <hateball> pandaadb: well if you feel like trying it out anyway: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[10:20] <BitKid> umm so .cor is one
[10:20] <pandaadb> i can give it a try
[10:20] <hateball> pandaadb: can always revert to 361 or 367 or whatever if it dont turn out too great
[10:20] <Gobo708> Hi all, just after some opinions on running tasks remote with jenkins
[10:21] <pandaadb> just in case my box doesn't start up anymore. Reverting would just be: apt-get pruge nvidia* && apt-get install nvidia-367 ?
[10:21] <BitKid> .psf is anothere one
[10:21] <k1l_> BitKid: what do you want to intall?
[10:22] <BitKid> citrix reciver
[10:22] <hateball> pandaadb: yes
[10:22] <Gobo708> I had a tty error trying to deploy something with a script using a jenkins user I had created, and prefixing sudo on the command. I then followed some other advice and just connected as root.....
[10:22] <pandaadb> thank you sir - /me tries 370
[10:22] <hateball> pandaadb: shouldnt need to purge either
[10:22] <Gobo708> I wonder about this since root is often disabled in server hardening
[10:22] <pandaadb> cool
[10:23] <k1l_> BitKid: dont they ship a .deb file?
[10:23] <MacroMan_> After removing a package, why would it still show in dpkg --get-selections as 'deinstall'?
[10:23] <BitKid> `I couldnt find one so far, unfortunatly
[10:23] <k1l_> BitKid: then look at their website. they do ship .deb packages
[10:24] <BitKid> ok thanks, fyi first time on ubunto so some of my questions might be very nooby
[10:25] <Gobo708> here is the error I was getting trying to run things as sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[10:26] <Triffid_Hunter> BitKid: what is citrix receiver?
[10:26] <ivo34> hello I am having trouble with my sound configuration... my graphics card has hdmi output which I am not using currently because my monitor only uses dvi in system config I have set sound to analogic output (btw I dont see the hdmi output option anywhere) and the speakers test is okay and I hear it okay. BUT when I launch applications they all start with hdmi sound channel set and though I installed pulse audio volume control I cannot
[10:26] <ivo34>  switch them to analogic!    http://pasteboard.co/csAQXTyY6.png
[10:26] <ivo34> ubuntu 14.04 lts here
[10:26] <BitKid> its a software that provieds an secure tunnel thru a cloud in to a device
[10:28] <pandaadb> sadly 370 by itself does not fix the tearing issue. Still seeing waves when scrolling through wikipedia
[10:28] <hateball> pandaadb: are you using only the nvidia card?
[10:29] <Triffid_Hunter> BitKid: http://docs.citrix.com/en-us/receiver/linux/13-3/linux-install.html says there are debian packages, why not use that?
[10:29] <pandaadb> I am using performance mode. I believe that i can't just use nvidia. They run in combo
[10:29] <hateball> pandaadb: I use forcefullcompositionpipeline to fix tearing
[10:29] <hateball> pandaadb: but I dont have hybrid gpu
[10:29] <BitKid> oh i did after kill infromed me
[10:29] <BitKid> it looks stuck tho
[10:29] <BitKid> the install icon is "waiting to install"
[10:29] <pandaadb> hateball, worth a try i think? How do I enable forcefullcompositionpipeline ?
[10:29] <ducasse> pandaadb: look at the top of this page: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ubuntu+tearing&t=canonical&ia=qa
[10:30] <hateball> pandaadb: See https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4an7js/linux_nvidia_propriatary_driver_tearing_issues/
[10:30] <hateball> pandaadb: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="$(xrandr | sed -nr '/(\S+) connected (primary )?[0-9]+x[0-9]+(\+\S+).*/{ s//\1: nvidia-auto-select \3 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }, /; H }; ${ g; s/\n//g; s/, $//; p }')"
[10:31] <hateball> pandaadb: at worst, your display goes blank and you need to restart I guess :p
[10:31] <pandaadb> haha
[10:31] <pandaadb> sounds good
[10:31] <pandaadb> ducasse, that settings must be in the 20-intel file?
[10:32] <ducasse> pandaadb: yes, if it is the intel that is tearing, this fixed it for me.
[10:32] <pandaadb> my setup also doesn't have an xorg.conf.d location
[10:32] <pandaadb> should I put it next to the xorg.conf (default one) then? Or is the location a must?
[10:33] <ducasse> pandaadb: you can just create the file and dir in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[10:33] <uruk7> hello
[10:33] <uruk7> can you help me
[10:33] <ducasse> !ask | uruk7
[10:34] <pandaadb> ducasse, thanks - /me restarts :)
[10:35] <uruk7> ok , thanks, i want to use torsocks wget for dowload a file but don't work it, can you help me?
[10:39] <ducasse> uruk7: there are some suggestions here http://superuser.com/questions/404732/how-to-use-wget-with-tor-bundle-in-linux
[10:39] <pandaadb> ducasse, adding the 20-intel.conf caused the system not to start up anymore. I had a grey screen and it was stuck. Had to switch to the terminal and remove the file/folder to get it to boot
[10:40] <ducasse> pandaadb: sorry, it works well with my intel gpu...
[10:41] <pandaadb> worth a try :) Thanks anyway
[10:41] <hateball> pandaadb: If you put it in performance mode it shouldnt even be using the intel card as you said
[10:41] <pandaadb> So, this is maybe a stupid question, but if i wanted to make absolute sure that my GPU setup is indeed an optimus setup, how would i do that
[10:42] <hateball> pandaadb: did you forcefullcompositionpipeline at all?
[10:42] <hateball> try*
[10:42] <pandaadb> hateball, not yet
[10:42] <pandaadb> that's the next one :)
[10:42] <jovaro>  /sys/device/platform/dock.0 is missing on my laptop, which is a problem because some docking-related things don't work then. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[10:43] <pandaadb> hateball, didn't do anything for me
[10:44] <hateball> pandaadb: it should just flicker a bit, then you can test if tearing is still present
[10:45] <pandaadb> hateball, it didn't flicker and the tearing is still there sadly
[10:45] <hateball> pandaadb: alright :\
[10:45] <pandaadb> must be the optimus crap :/
[10:46] <hateball> pandaadb: dont suppose it is muxless so you can turn off intel entirely in bios?
[10:46] <pandaadb> hateball, no sadly i found no option to turn off either card. The only thing i can do is switch to power safe mode which gets rid of the tearing however it defeats the purpose of having an nvidia card in this box
[10:46] <hateball> there are other options one can use with nvidia, like triple buffering. but I dont know how to assign that without using xorg.conf... and that will break with hybrid gpu I think
[10:47] <pandaadb> I think I tried that before. I might just have to wait until 370 and friends are all released
[10:48] <pandaadb> I was wondering if upgrading the kernel would help
[10:48] <pandaadb> That is I think the only thing I have not tried yet
[10:48] <hateball> pandaadb: it might be you need newer xorg after all
[10:48] <pandaadb> I found the tripple buffering option before and gave it a try but it didn't seem to do anything. The tearfree intel option broke startup and it didn't change anything when adding it to the original xorg.conf
[10:48] <hateball> pandaadb: I am reading https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/775691/linux/vsync-issue-nvidia-prime-ux32vd-with-gt620-m-/8
[10:49] <badp> hello fine gentlemen, I've been having screen flickers on my external DisplayPort monitor ever since I upgraded to 16.04. Nothing relevant shows up on dmesg. I don't know where to begin troubleshooting, but I noticed it happens most often when using function keys with terminator.
[10:49] <pandaadb> yep that's the one that i was reading. I don't have that exact card, but I think i am seeing the same issue
[10:49] <badp> by flicker I mean pretty much the same that happened in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1011732 -- screen goes black and then comes back a second later
[10:49] <pandaadb> the tearing is not toooooo bad, but it is present, It definitely feels like a sync issue where the intel card copies an incomplete buffer
[10:50] <hateball> pandaadb: well, it should work in 16.10 then if that is any comfort :p
[10:50] <pandaadb> It actually is somewhat Okay in the browser (since the browser redraws quite a bit I think). It gets very annoying in the terminal because if the output is copied wrong nothing gets refreshed
[10:50] <pandaadb> hateball, that sounds good :) Is there a scheduled release date for that? :)
[10:51] <badp> oh I also had that too when sometimes windows don't manage to redraw until I move them around
[10:51] <badp> but not quite as frequently
[10:51] <hateball> pandaadb: october (10)
[10:51] <pandaadb> I can sit that out :)
[10:52] <hateball> pandaadb: assuming a later xorg makes it in, that is. kernel is newer already
[10:53] <badp> there's also nothing relevant to the screen going dark on Xorg.0.log :/
[10:53] <pandaadb> That's true. I believe they have merged the necessary code changes for that to work
[10:53] <pandaadb> so that should hopefully all go well
[11:01] <pandaadb> ducasse, i tried adding the TearFree option to the original xorg.conf. It appears that one gets overwritten on startup? Is that normal/expected?
[11:03] <ducasse> pandaadb: yes, xorg.conf is autogenerated if it exists at all.
[11:03] <book_> test
[11:04] <uruk7> ducasse output this error -> http://pastebin.com/raw/yUJwfHZ0
[11:04] <pandaadb> ah okay, so it appears i can't add the tearfree option
[11:04] <ducasse> pandaadb: you put the file in xorg.conf.d earlier, didn't you? that would be picked up.
[11:05] <pandaadb> i did, that was what broke my startup
[11:05] <pandaadb> does it merge it from there or just take that one file?
[11:05] <pandaadb> i could in theory just make a copy of the current xorg.conf and modify it the way i want it and drop that in there
[11:06] <ducasse> pandaadb: those snippets are merged
[11:06] <pandaadb> my original xorg.conf already has a device section for info as well
[11:07] <pandaadb> Would that be an issue for the merging?
[11:07] <ducasse> pandaadb: if you put a snippet in xorg.conf.d those settings should override the autodetected stuff.
[11:07] <TestingIRC> test
[11:08] <pandaadb> ducasse, thank you. I think that means that I will wait for ubuntu 16.10 and disable nvidia for now
[11:09] <ducasse> pandaadb: i know far too little about hybrid gpu setups, so i have no better ideas.
[11:10] <ducasse> pandaadb: when 16.10 is released there will also be a hwe stack update for 16.04, so you can just use that.
[11:10] <pandaadb> the same goes for me. Before I got this machine I wasn't even aware hybrids existed (and frankly I am still looking for a 100%-confirmation that this is what I have)
[11:10] <badp> unfortunately hybrid GPU setups are a standard on most laptop with discrete gpus. Even on Windows, they're a PITA
[11:10] <TestingIRC> I'm searching for channel somewhat related to pokemongo, any suggestions ?
[11:11] <ducasse> !alis | TestingIRC
[11:16] <amarjeet> hi, I recently upgrade to ubuntu16 but I am unable to see locally installed software on dashboard any idea?
[11:16] <lordcirth> amarjeet, previously installed software or installed since the upgrade?
[11:17] <amarjeet> I just build after upgrade and installed the softwares
[11:17] <lordcirth> amarjeet, oh, manually installed, not a package?
[11:18] <amarjeet> yes
[11:18] <lordcirth> amarjeet, software doesn't show up in Dash unless there's a .desktop file describing it.  Is there one?
[11:18] <k1l_> does this work for manually installed (what and how) software?
[11:19] <k1l_> yeah, thought you need a .desktop file for that. not all software ships that.
[11:19] <amarjeet> it used to appear on ubuntu 14
[11:20] <lordcirth> amarjeet, the same software, or a different manually installed one?
[11:21] <amarjeet> same software manually installed on ubuntu 14
[11:21] <amarjeet> and yes there is .desktop file
[11:22] <lordcirth> amarjeet, is it dropped in /usr/share/applications ?
[11:22] <k1l_> did you relogin?
[11:23] <amarjeet> nops
[11:23] <TestingIRC> /^/msg JustinHitla welcome to #ubuntu
[11:23] <TestingIRC> /^/msg JustinHitla welcome to #ubuntu
[11:23] <TestingIRC> /^/msg JustinHitla welcome to #ubuntu
[11:23] <amarjeet> no its not there
[11:24] <badp> any help with my displayport flickers? It's getting hard to restrain myself from embedding my fist into this monitor :/
[11:28] <lordcirth> badp, the bug report contains: UPDATE: I switched out the DisplayPort adapter with another one, and haven't seen any blinking off since then. So I suspect I have a bad adapter.
[11:28] <lordcirth> badp, are you quite sure it happened exactly when you upgraded?
[11:29] <badp> yes
[11:29] <badp> I have changed cables and monitors
[11:29] <xyz666> Hi! I got a problem with an Corsair Survivor 32Gb USB stick. I can`t copy/move anything to it because I get the error: Read-only. I tried to format it in terminal but I get the same error. What can I do about it?
[11:30] <lordcirth> badp, what graphics card?
[11:30] <amarjeet> the .desktop file is here /usr/local/share/applications/
[11:30] <lordcirth> xyz666, do you mean when you try to format it, it says read only, or it formats and is still read only?
[11:31] <badp> lordcirth: "Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2)"
[11:31] <xyz666> I try to format it and it says it`s read-only and does nothing. I also tried it with gparted and disks...
[11:31] <lordcirth> xyz666, how long have you had it?  used it a lot?
[11:33] <xyz666> lordcirth, well, it`s not mine, it`s one of my frineds stick and she gave it to me in hope that I can do something about it
[11:33] <lordcirth> xyz666, most likely the drive is worn out.  Looking on Corsair forums, when people have this question, they are told to RMA
[11:33] <xyz666> yes I know, I saw it to
[11:33] <lordcirth> xyz666, ie http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?p=439296
[11:34] <lordcirth> albeit thats' a slightly different repot
[11:34] <lordcirth> report* yours just stays read-only
[11:34] <xyz666> but I thought that will try...
[11:34] <lordcirth> Still, it's a hardware problem of some kind
[11:35] <lordcirth> xyz666, it's possible that ##hardware could help
[11:35] <lordcirth> badp, anything relevant in dmesg?
[11:36] <Phanes> im in i3 -- how do i launch the network printer dialog that comes in the settings
[11:36] <joelio> Phanes: system-config-printer afair
[11:36] <joelio> or soemething akin
[11:38] <xyz666> lordcirth, ##hardware is some type of command?
[11:38] <xyz666> because just typeing in the terminal doesent do anything
[11:38] <lordcirth> xyz666, another channel here.
[11:38] <xyz666> lordcirth, ohhh...
[11:38] <xyz666> lordcirth, ok
[11:41] <xyz666> lordcirth, well, in dmesg it says: critical target error, dev sdb, Buffer I/O error on dev sdb1, logical block 0, lost async page write and that the write protection is on
[11:41] <Phanes> joelio, thanks
[11:42] <Ben64> xyz666: it's dead (probably)
[11:43] <lordcirth> xyz666, yeah it's dead.  I was talking to someone else about dmesg tho
[11:44] <lordcirth> xyz666, the only remaining concern is whether you need physical data destruction on the drive.
[11:45] <xyz666> what do you mean by physical data destruction? formating the whole drive with 0-s?
[11:46] <Ben64> formatting the whole drive with hammer
[11:47] <lordcirth> Precisely.  Since you can't write to it, you can't digitally erase it.  So if there's anything sensitive on it, like personal documents, it need to be crushed
[11:48] <xyz666> lordcirth, the drive does not contain anything sensitive/personal
[11:48] <hateball> did you already check that it doesnt have a physical read-only switch?
[11:49] <xyz666> hateball, no it doesn`t have anything like that
[11:49] <mcphail> xyz666: a few amazon reviews suggest that model can malfunction with underpowered USB ports. Hva eyou tried it with a powered hub?
[11:50] <cent> hello
[11:50] <hateball> xyz666: why you plug the device in, if you run "dmesg" straight after, there's no message like "Write protect is on" ?
[11:50] <hateball> s/why/when
[11:50] <xyz666> mcphail, I connected the stick to my laptops port
[11:51] <mcphail> xyz666: connect it to something with more juice. A powered hub would be the best option. Some laptop USB ports are under-spec and don't provide much power
[11:51] <xyz666> hateball, yes it has that message
[11:51] <amarjeet> \JOIN #openscad
[11:51] <hateball> xyz666: you can try removing write protect with hdparm
[11:51] <lordcirth> amarjeet, wrong slash: /
[11:52] <xyz666> hateball, tried it, doesn`t work...
[11:52] <cent> what is hdparm
[11:52] <hateball> xyz666: hmm
[11:52] <mixxit> hey
[11:52] <mixxit> anyone had trouble with intel wifi drivers capping at 5mbps
[11:52] <mixxit> Mbps
[11:52] <xyz666> hateball, it prompts that he read-only protection is off but that all
[11:53] <mixxit> intel wireless 3165 (rev81)
[11:53] <mcphail> xyz666: if it doesn't work in a properly powered port, my suggestion would be to throw it in the bin. Drives are cheap and life is short
[11:53] <ioria> xyz666, another try could be with a windows box ...
[11:54] <hateball> xyz666: if you've gone through all that trouble I'd follow mcphail's suggestion
[11:54] <xyz666> mcphail, ok, then I will tell my friend that she can buy a new stick
[11:54] <Ben64> lots of flash storage will set itself to read only when something bad happens, to prevent further damage
[11:54] <amarjeet> lordcirth: thanks. Did you have any idea about my problem?
[11:55] <xyz666> anyway thanks for the help guys, have a nice day ;)
[11:57] <lordcirth> amarjeet, no, sorry.
[11:59] <amarjeet> okay, thanks for trying. Any idea who would tell why its not picking .desktop file from local
[12:02] <zzookk> Hello, guys. I installed java6-32bit on my ubuntu_amd64 and have a problem. When im trying to start java app, i get "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.6.0_45/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so" but i have this lib and it exists in this folder. what can i do with it? This app works only on java6_32bit :(
[12:07] <BlindMan> hello
[12:09] <BlindMan> someone knowledable how large xenial is for mirroring one arch (amd64)?
[12:10] <hateball> BlindMan: there is #ubuntu-mirrors and I guess someone would know there
[12:10] <BlindMan> hateball: ok, thank you
[12:18] <kerbal> hi
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:55] <val_> Join #bookz
[13:11] <zetheroo> I want to write a script for resizing encrypted partitions - here is my first try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085009/
[13:13] <badp> lordcirth: sorry, I was stuck in a meeting. I'm afraid there's nothing relevant in dmesg
[13:14] <badp> also 'tail -f /var/log/**.log' produces nothing
[13:22] <marwane> hay
[13:23] <STD> Hello. I have an issue with Ubuntu 16.06 virtualized on Hyper-V. Every Ubuntu 16.04 VM is full on swap partition and works verry slow. Can someone give me a solution please ?
[13:23] <Na3iL> STD, 16.06?
[13:23] <STD> 16.04 sorry
[13:23] <Melio> good morning
[13:24] <scottc1> STD: What services are they running? What's the spec of each of the VMs ?
[13:24] <STD> clean ubuntu with LAMP
[13:24] <STD> only on 16.04 we have this issue. also we host 14.04 and windows vms on same host
[13:25] <STD> as soon as we virtual machine wirh 16.04 starts, the swap disk is full
[13:25] <zetheroo> could someone with scripting experience have a look and tell me if this is done right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085009/
[13:25] <Na3iL> STD, did you tried to swapoff and swapon back?
[13:25] <Melio> std have you tried increasing the swap partition size
[13:25] <Melio> or ^^^
[13:26] <STD> swap is 1 GB and RAM is 1 GB too
[13:26] <scottc1> STD: Which processes are using the swap? Are you running the same configs between different VMs?
[13:26] <STD> rest of machines doesn't have this issue
[13:26] <Melio> my swap is 50 gigs
[13:26] <Melio> the system memory - swap disk size formula is on the internet. i forget the formula
[13:27] <STD> on out case is not good to make swap 50 GB.
[13:27] <STD> *our
[13:27] <STD> Na3iL, we tried swap off and swap on, and swap is still full
[13:28] <SwedeMike> zetheroo: what are you trying to achieve? but it looks like it should be ok, nothing seems to be missing with the crypt+lvm. I don't know fdisk well enough to read those commands off the top of my head
[13:29] <scottc1> STD: Are these just clean installs? What does top (press f, add SWAP) say?
[13:29] <scottc1> STD: As in, are they in production yet? Or have they just been installed and booted?
[13:29] <zetheroo> SwedeMike: basically it's to enlarge the crypt partition to the max possible on the given disk, like done here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions#Enlarge_an_encrypted_partition
[13:29] <STD> yes, they are clean installs
[13:29] <Melio> std this is as of 2012 - http://pastebin.com/eia1yp7X
[13:29] <STD> they are not in prod
[13:30] <Melio> it kinda outlines a formula for ram and swap coordination
[13:30] <STD> are internal virtual machines
[13:30] <STD> only from network we are accessing these machines
[13:30] <Melio> std, virtual machines use your ram like any program
[13:30] <SwedeMike> zetheroo: ok, that's what I thought. Well the last crypt+lvm parts looked ok anyway.
[13:30] <zetheroo> SwedeMike: one part I am missing is the command to resize the extended partition, which should be done before the fdisk part
[13:31] <STD> Yes Melio but virtual server are not full
[13:31] <STD> rest of machines with 14.04 and windows are working well
[13:31] <Melio> STD, the allocation of ram in the program will use system memory then run into swap decreasing performance - but will still function all laggy depending on your harddrive speed (or spindle as microsoft calls it)
[13:31] <zetheroo> SwedeMike: the extended partition is /dev/sda2, and I tried with 'sudo resize2fs /dev/sda2' but that failed
[13:32] <Melio> STD, that's standard memory management on pretty much all operating systems without efficency issues
[13:32] <Melio> i can't imagine a better way to do it - unless we swap to the cloud which would be horrendously slow
[13:33] <joelio> firstly swap is rubbish, tune it out using vm.swapiness=0 or at a push 1. The default preseed will use 1-1.5 system RAM, so on a 128GB box with 256GB drive, it'll use most of the drive. Use a custom pressed, with custom paritioning in provision. If post-install, swap off, parted/fdisk, delete swap, recreate with smaller size, mkswap and swap on. If you have small vms, checkout zram..
[13:33] <joelio> if you're swapping that much, check your applications inside the VM
[13:35] <STD> joelio, they are clean installed virtual machines, with LAMP
[13:35] <Melio> std : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04
[13:35] <STD> no other services are running
[13:36] <STD> yes Melio i know how to increase swap.
[13:36] <STD> I will try this way
[13:36] <STD> maybe swap is too slow
[13:36] <joelio> STD: you need to provide metrics I'm afraid, without better diagnostics is a moot point
[13:36] <joelio> pastebin some process usage, memory footprint etc
[13:36] <STD> but as i know, as memory is not full, the system doesn't need to write in swap
[13:36] <scottc1> STD: The output from top (or htop) showing SWAP would be useful.
[13:37] <joelio> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[13:38] <scottc1> STD: swap in of itself isn't necessarily bad (though everyone has different opinions on this), but swappING is. Is your MySQL / MariaDB configured to use too much memory for example.
[13:38] <STD> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[13:38] <STD> 60
[13:38] <joelio> yea, so it's default, tune it down
[13:38] <joelio> !swapppiness
[13:38] <joelio> hrm, ok
[13:39] <joelio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[13:39] <ubisoft> hello, i have a question. I want to uninstall a Programm with the Terminal. But at first i have to detect the Packagename of it to use the Commandline "sudo apt-get purge <Packagename>. With "apt-cache pkgnames" i can find all Packages in my System, but there are too many to find it out, which command i can use to find the Programm?
[13:39] <Kiriakos> Hi everybody, which ubuntu channel would be the best to ask a question about Ubuntu and Openstack?
[13:39] <joelio> dpkg -l
[13:40] <STD> joelio, is the /proc/sys/vm/swappiness correct ?
[13:40] <joelio> STD: correct is a loose term.. it's a value
[13:40] <joelio> it's down to the user to chose a value
[13:40] <joelio> 0 is what I set to
[13:40] <Melio> !swap
[13:40] <Melio> well thats a nice way of explaining it too
[13:40] <zetheroo> how does one see what commands Gparted is using to perform actions?
[13:40] <Melio> so much work resolved with keywording :) wish i knew the list
[13:41] <Melio> !dumpingagirlwhocheatsonyouwithyourdad
[13:41] <Melio> nope not on the keyword list
[13:42] <joelio> STD: I'd still be interested to see what app is doing, vm size etc.. otherwise it's difficult to say what the issue is
[13:42] <joelio> I can say for certain a stack with *no* scripts running but LAMP installed will not swap
[13:43] <joelio> but it depends on what resource you've given the v
[13:43] <joelio> if you're running php scripts that do massive memory grabs etc
[13:43] <joelio> what the app is (if there is one) running on LAMP etc etc etc
[13:44] <Kiriakos> I'm trying to install Openstack Mitaka on Xenial, how can I work around add-apt-repository not letting me add the cloud-archive:mitaka repo? As of the openstack support model in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive Mitaka should be allowed in Xenial installs
[13:44] <Kiriakos> Oh, yeah, Hi again :-0
[13:45] <joelio> !openstack
[13:45] <joelio> damn that's not working for me today :)
[13:45] <joelio> Kiriakos: head over to #openstack - Ubuntu is a 1st class citizen
[13:45] <Kiriakos> joelio, what is !openstack?
[13:45] <Kiriakos> aaaah, OK
[13:45] <ubisoft> joelio thanks
[13:45] <joelio> n
[13:45] <joelio> p
[13:45] <Kiriakos> joelio, thanks
[13:46] <joelio> no worries
[13:49] <STD> can anyone explain me why we have multiple ramdisk in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[13:49] <STD> 16 ramdisks with 64MB every one
[13:49] <STD> Disk /dev/ram15: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
[13:49] <STD> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[13:49] <STD> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
[13:49] <STD> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
[13:50] <joelio> did you install zram?
[13:51] <STD> !zram
[13:51] <joelio> that's what zram does, makes lots of small ramdisks
[13:51] <STD> we don't have zram
[13:51] <joelio> really?
[13:51] <joelio> it sure looks that way
[13:52] <STD> really
[13:52] <STD> i will try to install it
[13:52] <joelio> hang on, what does #dpkg -l *zram
[13:52] <STD> i've installed it
[13:53]  * joelio goes for tea
[13:54] <BluesKaj> once you enable ramdisks , they carry ober to every new OS you install...after you don't need them anymore they're amost impossible to get rid of
[13:55] <joelio> eh?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> I still  have 15 ramdisks which I have no use for
[13:56] <joelio> yea, type mount
[13:56] <joelio> you should see them there?
[13:56] <joelio> if so, remove from fstab, or zram or whatever generates them
[13:57] <joelio> unless there's something else that generates 16 ram disks.. (!)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> joelio, sudo fdisk -l
[13:57] <joelio> eh
[13:57] <BluesKaj> shows them
[13:57] <joelio> why use fdisk though?
[13:58] <joelio> aaanyway :)
[13:58] <joelio> if you want to get rid of them, you can. They're not persistent, that's the point of a ram disk
[13:59] <BluesKaj> mount didn't show them
[13:59] <joelio> they'll be listed as tmpfs?
[14:02] <cent> I am a novice, do you have any good suggestions?
[14:02] <joelio> practice?
[14:03] <cent> oh I'm try
[14:03] <joelio> in relation to what specifically, I guess
[14:04] <ZeekHuge> is there something like a master command to fix all broken packages ?
[14:04] <joelio> apt-get -f install
[14:04] <joelio> well, sometimes
[14:04] <ZeekHuge> except reinstalling ubuntu itslef
[14:04] <joelio> packages can be broken in different ways though, pastebin the issue
[14:04] <Melio> cent,  basic steps to learn ubuntu is understanding file system you have, understanding how to get around in the console and the desktop and understanding sudo/root and some of the jargon
[14:05] <Melio> cent, installing programs from the desktop and console use the same methodology and you should learn to do both (just not at the same time, it won't let you)
[14:05] <Melio> cent, and learning to uninstall as well
[14:05] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085156/
[14:05] <avionii> hey my whole system has frozen a few times... i can't move mouse, use keyboard, go to terminal, etc... always happens at random while i'm using firefox... what can i do to find/fix the problem?
[14:06] <ZeekHuge> that looks short but
[14:06] <Melio> cent, there are guides that explain 5-10 things you should do after installing ubuntu that reveal differnt very impressive teaks or packages that include utilities that are helpful
[14:06] <ZeekHuge> I have been going along it and purging all the packeges it was complainin about
[14:06] <cent> thank you, but I'm not have resources
[14:06] <ZeekHuge> joelio: ^
[14:06] <Melio> cent, the internet ubuntu support forums are resources as well
[14:07] <ZeekHuge> Saw that as a suggestion somewhere
[14:07] <Melio> cent, search whatever with the word ubuntu to understand things written by ubuntu users
[14:08] <Melio> my understanding of ubuntu is : everything i ever wanted to do with ubuntu that i belive is a new thing, isnt. it's been done before and there are really impressive scripts or programs native to linux that can do it very well - and being opensource - if you can code, you can contribute and add your super cool idea that hasnt been done before to improve that program for everyone!
[14:09] <joelio> ZeekHuge: have you run apt-get update; have you mixed package sources with another distro; have you downlaoded and  manually tried to install a package (dpkg -i) etc
[14:10] <joelio> ZeekHuge: also, what distro, Xenila is gcc-5 (and soon 6 afaik)
[14:10] <joelio> 4.8 support is Trusty and a PPA in precise (if my memory of the jenkins setup is correct)
[14:10] <ZeekHuge> joelio:  yes i did that some time ago. Dont remember much about it. Also, before this probelem appeared, I wanted to reinstall binutils, so I just purged it . and then this thing appeared
[14:11] <joelio> umm, you realise binutils is pretty well needed
[14:11] <joelio> ZeekHuge: what distro are you running?
[14:11] <cent> ubuntu 16.04
[14:11] <ZeekHuge> joelio:  and then installed binutils. will unam -a help ?
[14:11] <joelio> ZeekHuge: cat /etc/issue
[14:12] <ZeekHuge> joelio: Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS \n \l
[14:12] <joelio> ok, so 4.8 is valid, you must have lost sources somewhere
[14:12] <joelio> what's in /etc/apt/source.list (pastebin it)
[14:12] <cent> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l
[14:13] <joelio> ZeekHuge: sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:13] <goju050207> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS but facing some strange issues, I am unable to visit any net banking site , I am located in India also in Settings > Display , I see " could not get screen information".
[14:13] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085173/
[14:13] <joelio> I take it ubuntu.excellmedia.net is a mirror? offical?
[14:14] <joelio> ZeekHuge: try now, apt-cache policy gcc
[14:14] <joelio> and pastebin
[14:14] <joelio> really, I'd stick with {countrycode}.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:14] <joelio> they sit behind balancers (wel rrdns) so you get a valid mirror closest to you geographically
[14:14] <goju050207> I have tried Chromium , Google Chrome but it didn't solve my problem
[14:15] <Pici> p/25
[14:15] <joelio> sometime some mirrors get out of date and stale
[14:15] <Pici> joelio: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors has a full list of mirrors and their status
[14:15] <Gue-clone> goju050207: which banking site are you trying to access (url)?
[14:15] <ZeekHuge> joelio:actually dowloads were pretty slow, so I just started the software support and made it choose the fastest
[14:15] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085175/
[14:15] <goju050207> Today I checked on Firefox in Windows 10 and everything was working fine at a friend's hpuse
[14:16] <goju050207> *house
[14:16] <ZeekHuge> goju050207: tried a different browser ?
[14:16] <goju050207> hdfc bank
[14:17] <joelio> ZeekHuge: have you run apt-get update?
[14:17] <goju050207> ZeekHuge : Yes , of course
[14:17] <ZeekHuge> joelio: yes I already did that . Let me do that again. But i have done that 2-3 times
[14:17] <goju050207> ok running that
[14:18] <joelio> ZeekHuge: actually, that is the current version
[14:18] <goju050207> should I add sudo
[14:18] <joelio> ZeekHuge: you have installed a package that requires gcc 4.8.5 later, need to see which one
[14:19] <joelio> ZeekHuge: can you post all of https://paste.ubuntu.com/23085156/
[14:19] <joelio> alos an apt-get clean may help
[14:19] <joelio> I bet there are stale packages
[14:19] <joelio> ZeekHuge: apt-get clean; apt-get update; apt-get -f install
[14:19] <x_XP> Hi guys, I wonder if I can get help here with setting up SSD to be use in MacBook Pro to run OsX  using Ubuntu on USB thumb drive What happened: One day when I noticed low battery 1% I putted it to sleep or shutdown, than recharged it next day, but MBP never booted properly again, showing crossed circle while booting. Basically Mac did not and doesn’t see this SSD disk now. I created bootable USB Ubuntu for Mac and booted MBP on it, U
[14:21] <x_XP> but could not mount main Mac partition,  I believed something got corrupted there, since I did not care about any data lost I installed Ubuntu 16.04  on this MBP SSD and it was booting and running fast. Than I booted it back on USB Ubuntu drive and used gparted to format this SSD to HFS+ than tried to install Mavericks OS, but it could not see this drive so back to square one  What do I need to do to wipe this drive somehow and format i
[14:21] <x_XP> What do I need to do to wipe this drive somehow and format it in order to be able to install OsX on it? Thanks
[14:22] <joelio> ZeekHuge: if push comes to shove too, just dpkg -r gcc and then try again
[14:22] <joelio> it's not clean doing that thhough
[14:22] <ZeekHuge> joelio: didnt work
[14:22] <ZeekHuge> joelio: wait
[14:23] <joelio> going to have to to $day_job now anyway, good luck :)
[14:24] <avionii> Any advise for my issue?
[14:24] <ZeekHuge> joelio: if you could explain what the problem is  ?
[14:28] <joelio> ZeekHuge: you have a package installed - gcc a metapackage, that requires a version of GCC that you don't have in Trusty
[14:29] <joelio> ZeekHuge: apt-cache policy gcc-4.8
[14:29] <joelio> pastebin it
[14:29] <joelio> I have 5 mins ;)
[14:29] <ZeekHuge> joelio:  hmm okay. ITs okay if you are busy . can  help on tmate ? it will be pretty fast
[14:30] <joelio> can you just run apt-cache policy gcc-4.8
[14:31] <joelio> it's in the universe repo, so I'm wondering if you have that enabled... or it's just stale repo etc
[14:32] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085211/
[14:32] <danrik> does anyone know how to change a color profile in ubuntu?
[14:32] <ZeekHuge> danrik : I used unity-tweak
[14:32] <joelio> ZeekHuge: it's that repo
[14:32] <joelio> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/gcc-4.8
[14:32] <joelio> is the current verison, the one in that mirror is oooold
[14:33] <joelio> try this;
[14:33] <joelio> sudo sed -i 's/ubuntu.excellmedia.net/archive.ubuntu.com/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:34] <danrik> ZeekHuge - do u know if that's gonna work in xuunut?
[14:34] <danrik> ZeekHuge, xubuntu
[14:34] <cia_> hello
[14:34] <joelio> ZeekHuge: then run apt-get update to get the source updated drom archive.ubuntu.com
[14:34] <joelio> then try the apt-get -f install
[14:34] <ZeekHuge> danrik: you asked for ubuntu
[14:34] <ZeekHuge> joelio: no output of that 'sed' command
[14:35] <joelio> good
[14:35] <joelio> echo $?
[14:35] <goju050207> ZeekHuge : https://netbanking.hdfcbank.com/netbanking/?_ga=1.208631322.901858646.1471525813
[14:35] <cia_> Does anyone know how to launch a process without it coming up or use ctrl z to close it without pausing it.
[14:35] <goju050207> This is the URL
[14:35] <danrik> ZeekHuge, yeah - I was hoping it would be the same
[14:35] <ZeekHuge> joelio: just "$" as the output
[14:35] <ZeekHuge> joelio: updating it now
[14:35] <joelio> ZeekHuge: so now your /etc/apt/sources.list should reference archive.ubuntu.com?
[14:36] <joelio> damn, missed a g I think
[14:36] <cia_> If i use ctrl x i have to then use bg to start it again.
[14:37] <goju050207> ZeekHuge: could you visit the URL
[14:37] <Melio> i wonder. havent tested, when i boot windows and do a regular shutdown - not sleep mode or anything. - I get no sound in linux and difficult to access read only ntfs partition where windows resides in 14.04, but i just upgraded 16.04.1 with a clean install and i'm curious if it still has that problem . i have a batch file in windows that is on my desktop to quickly clean total shutdown to prevent that issue in linux when i switch os's has anyone heard of
[14:37] <Melio> this in 16.04.1 as an issue
[14:37] <Melio> nevermind i'll simply do a test.
[14:38] <ZeekHuge> goju050207: though on your page, but I am not an expert , just a user, using ubuntu for last 1 year
[14:38] <ZeekHuge> danrik: pretty sure it wont work with xubuntu
[14:39] <joelio> ZeekHuge: yea, that mirror is pretty bad - http://ubuntu.excellmedia.net/archive/dists/
[14:39] <danrik> ZeekHuge, yeah - it didnt work
[14:39] <joelio> there's no Xenial!
[14:39] <danrik> testing displayCal now
[14:39] <ZeekHuge> joelio: it failed to update a lot of packages , 404 error
[14:39] <k1l_> Melio: windows dosnt shutdown properly due to simulating faster reboot which blocks the nfts partitions from mounting. you need to disable that on windows
[14:40] <ZeekHuge> joelio:  sudo apt-get -f install didnt do anything
[14:40] <joelio> ZeekHuge: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23085232/
[14:40] <joelio> put that in
[14:40] <ZeekHuge> apt-get install gcc says package is reffered to by other name ..
[14:41] <joelio> apt-get update, make sure no 404
[14:41] <joelio> yea, it's just due to you having an old out of date mirror set
[14:41] <joelio> that's all
[14:41] <joelio> you need to use one that is updated
[14:41] <ZeekHuge> joelio: put that in .. apt/sources.list ?
[14:41] <joelio> yes please
[14:41] <keini> hi
[14:42] <ubisoft> users
[14:43] <ZeekHuge> joelio: busy with something ? would want to understand how you figured out the problem . while it updates
[14:44] <joelio> ZeekHuge: 15 years of experience :D
[14:44] <ZeekHuge> joelio: okay. Few pointers for new user like me ?
[14:44] <joelio> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[14:44] <joelio> check the versions
[14:45] <joelio> for the distro that you're using
[14:45] <keini> i've 2 os in my computer ubuntu and window7, the window part can't open i want recover my data
[14:45] <joelio> it's quite obvuous the version available by that mirror (which you can find out with apt-cache policy) is out of date
[14:45] <joelio> if you then browese the mirror and look in the dists directory, there's no xenial
[14:46] <joelio> xenial came out months ago and was in dev since before new year
[14:46] <keini> can i use ubuntu to recover data of the window partition
[14:46] <joelio> so if there's no xenial there and its a 'full' mirror then it must be stale, ie. the rsync that updates it has stopped working
[14:47] <joelio> I've hit this issue before with mirrors, that's why I just use the official and try and cache packages
[14:47] <joelio> or make my own and rsync from archive. - the root :)
[14:47] <joelio> that help? :
[14:48] <ZeekHuge> joelio: few package updates again failed with 404 error . getting pastebin it now
[14:48] <ZeekHuge> joelio: thank you for those points.
[14:48] <ZeekHuge> :)
[14:48] <joelio> it's cool :)
[14:49] <joelio> I'm starting an lxc trusty container now, I will give you the exact lines
[14:49] <Melio> which dropbox do yuo guys suggest, software repo, or source website (dropbox.com offers a .deb) versions might be out of sync by maintainer.
[14:49] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085249/
[14:49] <joelio> ZeekHuge: if that 404's for you, then it's a problem with your connection or something strange (proxies?)
[14:49] <keini> somebody has answer for my question?
[14:49] <joelio> ZeekHuge: oh, right, that's other sources!
[14:49] <joelio> you can stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* too
[14:50] <joelio> that'll be what's 404ing
[14:50] <Melio> keini, the question about recovering data is not really giving us enough info
[14:50] <joelio> ZeekHuge: move all of those files to somewhere else while we fix that
[14:50] <joelio> they're PPA's etc.
[14:50] <Melio> keini, if you can access the partition in ubuntu, you can copy it or burn it to a dvd or something to keep it
[14:50] <joelio> ZeekHuge: also, you have AAAA records
[14:50] <joelio> but seemingly no IPv6
[14:50] <joelio> you may want to disable IPv6 if you don't have it setup
[14:51] <joelio> otherwise getting AAAA records will break
[14:51] <joelio> ipv6.disable=1 in /etc/default/grub (GRUB_DEFAULT) then run update-grub then reboot
[14:51] <joelio> afiar (off the top of my head)
[14:52] <joelio> 2001:67c:1560:8001::14 is an ipv6 address
[14:52] <daifuco> Is ubuntu vanilla considered efficient? I bought a dell laptop (very low specs) with ubuntu, I was considering lubuntu but I dont know if it worth the hassle
[14:52] <ZeekHuge> joelio: we need to setup ipv6 explicitly ? how i have been browsing all this time ?
[14:52] <joelio> ipv4
[14:52] <keini> can i enter in the window partition from ubuntu?
[14:52] <ZeekHuge> keini: yes.
[14:52] <joelio> ZeekHuge: do you *need* ipv6? if so, set it up
[14:52] <joelio> otherwise disable it
[14:52] <Melio> daifuco, what is the model of your dell laptop
[14:53] <ZeekHuge> joelio: okay
[14:53] <keini> how
[14:53] <joelio> ZeekHuge: otherwise you'll keep getting Quad A records :)
[14:53] <Melio> daifuco, i'll be happy to search it and see if other owners have ubuntu running on it
[14:53] <ubisoft> hello, someone have "vim" ?
[14:53] <Melio> and give you the link
[14:53] <daifuco> Melio: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu/pd?oc=cn55215&model_id=inspiron-15-3552-laptop-ubuntu
[14:53] <ZeekHuge> keini: mount that onto somewhere "sudo mount /dev/something /path/to/some/dir" <-- need to be careful about it
[14:54] <ubisoft> someone could help me with "VIM" ? have only 1 question to
[14:54] <ZeekHuge> joelio: okay , disabling it.
[14:54] <joelio> cool
[14:54] <eelstrebor> i suppose they had a good reason for changing interface names but wlan0 is easier to remember than wlp3s0
[14:54] <daifuco> I quite like the seach bar of unity and the minimal design (it is a bit like gnome3) but I dont want a sluggish laptop
[14:54] <keini> zeekhuge:tanks
[14:55] <joelio> ZeekHuge: so it looks like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 quiet splash"
[14:55] <joelio> then update-grub
[14:55] <joelio> so it takes effect in /boot/grub/menu.list
[14:56] <ubisoft> Topic: Vim
[14:56] <ZeekHuge> joelio: will reboot machine now, so be back in few minutes
[14:57] <joelio> heh, that's a v6 address too
[14:57] <goreysener> hello
[14:57] <ubisoft> someone has Vim?
[14:58] <goreysener> can anyone here
[14:58] <joelio> vim ftw
[14:58] <goreysener> what is wim ?
[14:58] <ubisoft> why ftw?^
[14:58] <Pici> ubisoft: 1) ask the question 2) if we don't know, ask #vim
[14:58] <joelio> because it's better than emacs :troll:
[14:58] <ubisoft> :D
[14:59] <joelio> :)
[14:59] <Melio> daifuco, there seems to be a few problems that are common on that laptop - network drivers don't install properly, but there's a fix if you can download he correct drivers and install them
[15:00] <Melio> daifuco, it's difficult to find your exact model searching for it, because the general name of it is kinda not used to describe your computer in ubuntu forums
[15:00] <Melio> if you are using xchat type /sysinfo
[15:00] <Melio> sorry hexchat
[15:00] <ZeekHuge> joelio: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.2.0-42-generic root=UUID=874938ef-ce7c-484a-b29e-0caaa94ea422 ro ipv6.disable=1 quite splash vt.handoff=7
[15:00] <ZeekHuge> disables ipv6
[15:00] <ZeekHuge> updating now
[15:01] <daifuco> thanks Melio !
[15:01] <ubisoft> got a question: when i open "vim" with the Terminal, i can choose some Document. I want to go into ":help". In this file are some words in blue like "quickref" or "usr_toc.txt". How do i open them?
[15:02] <joelio> ZeekHuge: you are on a v6 connection btw (noticed when you quit) but I'm betting that's just your router public address, there's no V6 space routed to your network after that router.. hence what you're seeing :)
[15:02]  * ZeekHuge wants to ask joelio a thousand questions, about how he knows what to do. but believing that wold come with time, he is somehow controlling himself.
[15:02] <ZeekHuge> joelio: its still failing.
[15:02] <joelio> ok, pastebin
[15:03] <ZeekHuge> but as you said .. those are just extra PPAs
[15:03] <joelio> ok, cool
[15:03] <joelio> try and apt-get -f install
[15:07] <ZeekHuge> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085281/ ; executing -f install now
[15:08] <ZeekHuge> joelio: -f install did nothing.
[15:08] <ubisoft> got a question: when i open "vim" with the Terminal, i can choose some Document. I want to go into ":help". In this file are some words in blue like "quickref" or "usr_toc.txt". How do i open them?
[15:08] <ZeekHuge> joelio: it just says to execute autoremove, I think we can skip that ?
[15:08] <joelio> let's try this
[15:09] <ZeekHuge> ubisoft: try Ctrl+]
[15:09] <statusfailed> Hmm, my "less" isn't chopping lines when I use -S
[15:09] <joelio> ZeekHuge: move all the files out of /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:10] <joelio> ZeekHuge: then update /etc/apt/sources.list to gave *just* https://paste.ubuntu.com/23085284/
[15:10] <statusfailed> it always wraps them, and also scrolling seems to break the output - some lines seem to randomly overlap others
[15:10] <joelio> ZeekHuge: then apt-get update; apt-get -f install
[15:10] <joelio> we'll get this :)
[15:10] <ZeekHuge> move out == pastebinit ? or clear the file  ?
[15:10] <joelio> mv
[15:10] <joelio> mv to somewhere else, just so you can move back if needed - rather than delete them
[15:11] <lufeng>  ubisoft:   type ]   or   [
[15:11] <ZeekHuge> okay move to .back
[15:11] <statusfailed> oh, got it: just have to add this to .bashrc/.zshrc: "LESS='-R'"
[15:12] <joelio> when you apt-get update it'll read all the filenames ending in .list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d - so best to keep out of the way while debugging
[15:18] <ZeekHuge> joelio: ahh ... -f install still didnt do anything. :(
[15:18] <ZeekHuge> joelio: though there were no 404 failures.
[15:20] <joelio> ZeekHuge: does it exit cleanly? Or still complain?
[15:20] <joelio> try and apt-cache policy gcc-4.8 now
[15:20] <joelio> it should show updated mirror and version
[15:21] <ZeekHuge> joelio: update exited cleanly. -f install exited with a friendly message to use autoremove to remove unsued packages
[15:22] <ZeekHuge> joelio: policy gcc4.8  - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085299/
[15:22] <joelio> ZeekHuge: I think it's looking better then, try and do an apt-get upgrade
[15:22] <ZeekHuge> :s/unsued/unused/g
[15:22] <joelio> as you'll have updates waiting
[15:23] <joelio> autoremove will clean up dependencies no longer in use, but you may as well do that after and upgrade
[15:23] <ZeekHuge> though so, therefore didnt report that earlier.
[15:24] <joelio> yea, it's pretty standard
[15:24] <ZeekHuge> joelio: do you still think the problem was because of mirror with outdated packages ?
[15:24] <sanketkraut> test
[15:24] <sim0n_> Hey guys. Is there anyone i might be able to ask somehelp on logrotate at all? Trying to do something that nobody on google has appearently tried :(
[15:24] <joelio> ZeekHuge: yep :)
[15:24] <ZeekHuge> joelio: but the download  is very slow with this mirror
[15:25] <joelio> you can update to be closer, are you in india?
[15:25] <ZeekHuge> joelio: yes. (how do you know ? what thing in the pastebin suggested that ?)
[15:25] <joelio> when I browsed the original mirror it had Indian flag ;)
[15:26] <joelio> but you can do lookup on IP to get geo loc
[15:26] <ZeekHuge> yeah . that is true.
[15:27] <ZeekHuge> though bit better speed now, without doing anything .
[15:27] <joelio> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[15:27] <ZeekHuge> but still slow.
[15:27] <joelio> ZeekHuge: yea, archive is on a round robin dns
[15:27] <joelio> ZeekHuge: try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in-archive
[15:28] <joelio> you can see it's up to date for major releases
[15:28] <joelio> (yakkity not yet released of course)
[15:33] <ZeekHuge> I can still complain that its slow, but i think I will have to go with it .
[15:33] <ZeekHuge> that old mirror was fast compared to others, thats why I chose it at the first place
[15:33] <joelio> there is another way of using mirror:// in apt too btw, but it's a bit flaky
[15:34] <joelio> basically downloads mirror.txt and will hunt for the closest mirror every apt use
[15:34] <joelio> works.. ish.. but few issues with it
[15:35] <ZeekHuge> Will try to get that work after this problem gets solved.
[15:35] <joelio> do you still have a problem or is it just slow now?
[15:35] <joelio> you shouldn't have any package issues at least
[15:36] <ZeekHuge> after changing the mirror, updated it and now upgrading it. Its slow.
[15:37] <ZeekHuge> no 404 errors after that new source.list file.
[15:37] <joelio> cool
[15:37] <joelio> not much I can do about your connection speed afraid :)
[15:41] <otyugh> hey
[15:41] <otyugh> after an upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 I can't boot after grub (black screen)
[15:41] <otyugh> is there a procedure or something to follow ?
[15:42] <otyugh> I'm quite advanced as debians user but I lack experience with ubuntu upgrade to another version procedure ; is there something documented ?
[15:43] <joelio> otyugh: what graphic driver/card do you use?
[15:43] <joelio> nvidia by any chance?
[15:43] <ZeekHuge> joelio: I was looking at the older sources.list and it had the same thing that you said to add. The only extra thing was extra.ubuntu.com . so, was this extra thing thats causing problem ?
[15:43] <joelio> no, the old mirror was not updated
[15:43] <joelio> it'd not been updated for months, so it gets out of date
[15:44] <joelio> and if you have packages from other sources (ppa or extras.ubuntu) that require newer packages, like gcc-4.8
[15:44] <joelio> then you can't update as the mirror is stale
[15:44] <Kiriakos> Hi All, the graph on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive says Openstack Mitaka is supposed to be supported by Xenial but that seems to be wrong. can anybody enlighten me on this?
[15:44] <joelio> it's a broken mirror basically, as the admins keep it running, it's in the list, but not updated
[15:44] <joelio> should be notified really
[15:45] <ZeekHuge> oh okay ! sorry ! I was looking at the updates that you asked to make in the old source.list
[15:45] <ZeekHuge> got it
[15:45] <otyugh> @joelio : erh, this is for helping a friend that asekd me throught mail, I will meet his computer later this week because I'm the "gnu/linux guy" but I don't know much about Ubuntu. Do you think it's just some additionnal driver to install if he was using nvidia ?
[15:45] <joelio> otyugh: probably needs dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current (or nvidia-{version}) if it is indeed a driver issue
[15:45] <ZeekHuge> old archive = archive.ubuntu.com/archive and new = archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[15:45] <joelio> but could be a number of things
[15:46] <joelio> ZeekHuge: no old archive is the http://ubuntu.excellmedia.net/archive/
[15:46] <otyugh> joelio, will look into that. Would using the older kernel temporarly fix the issue  ?
[15:46] <joelio> why it failed when I sent you the sed command is they've used non-standard paths
[15:46] <otyugh> (well I ask you bein a probablist guy :p)
[15:46] <joelio> ZeekHuge: it should be {fqdn}/ubuntu
[15:46] <otyugh> nah this is a silly question.
[15:47] <joelio> otyugh: maybe, but it's an easy fix if it is.. just needs dkms regenerating
[15:47] <otyugh> joelio, why ubuntu doesn't do it by default ?
[15:47] <otyugh> I thought it had to be user friendly and all :3
[15:48] <joelio> otyugh: because of the way packaging works.. it may well be running it but could be an order issue
[15:48] <otyugh> will look into it. Thanks !
[15:49] <joelio> a newer kernel comes in after the nvidia package updated.. whcich means when dkms was run, it ran against an older kernel (as the new one was not currently installed). Now *technically* dkms should regen when you install a new kernel, but experience dictates otherwise
[15:49] <ZeekHuge> oh ! we used sed command too ! silly me ! So we just already changed that old source.list !
[15:49] <joelio> yea, if it was correct path, it would have worked
[15:50] <joelio> we should have used sed -i 's/ubuntu.excellmedia.net\/archive/archive.ubuntu.com\/ubuntu' /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:50] <joelio> not sure where that archive thing came from, but I guess if the mirror is that old, the admins don't know/care
[15:51] <joelio> there's nothing technically wrong mind, it's just not standard
[15:54] <ZeekHuge> joelio: should install package maintainer's version of etc/defualt/grub ? right ? that would just enable ipv6 back i think
[15:54] <joelio> yea, you can add it back if you want to
[15:55] <joelio> and any other customisations
[15:56] <ZeekHuge> joelio: being able to install gcc-4.8 means that everything is okay now ?
[15:59] <joelio> ZeekHuge: well, just being able to install anything means it's ok ;)
[15:59] <ZeekHuge> joelio: Cool then. It all works ! thanks a lot !
[15:59] <ZeekHuge> :)
[15:59] <joelio> no probs :)
[16:01] <ZeekHuge> okay so summarizing - What we did essentially did was updated the mirrors (editing source.list), update the cached info of apt (apt-get update) and  now apt knows everything about new packages so we downloaded them (apt-get upgrade).
[16:02] <ZeekHuge> What I didnt understand is the error message in the first place.
[16:02] <ZeekHuge> apt was complaining that the a certain package depends on some other package but was not able to download that because the mirror it was connected to, didnt have that package
[16:03] <ZeekHuge> but how do apt know ? that there exists a dependency  ? it was connected to an old mirror , so apt know only those things, that the old mirror knows ?
[16:03] <ZeekHuge> joelio: ^
[16:04] <ZeekHuge> also, what with the files in source.list.d ? its empty now .
[16:04] <joelio> when you run apt-get update, it creates a list - which is stored locally
[16:04] <joelio> in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[16:05] <joelio> that contains the list of sources and downloads the packages.gz file
[16:05] <joelio> it then creates a dependency graph (of sorts)
[16:05] <joelio> when you want to install an app
[16:05] <joelio> as the packages has a Requires: field in it
[16:05] <joelio> which signifies the dependencies.
[16:06] <joelio> if you get the Requires, then the requires for the required etc.. and so on, you have a full list of dependencies needed to install a package
[16:06] <joelio> it then checks what's already installed locally
[16:06] <joelio> then installs any new packages needed
[16:07] <joelio> that's why every time you update a source list - you need to run apt-get update
[16:07] <joelio> to refresh the locally cache of the sources/packages tc
[16:08] <OerHeks> no files in source.list.d  is good.
[16:08]  * joelio runds with all files in source.list.d and nothing in sources.list :)
[16:08] <joelio> although... puppet :)
[16:09] <joelio> as puppetlab-apt module only deals properly with stuff in sources.list.d - so basically don't have anything in source.list
[16:09] <OerHeks> Puppet vs. Chef vs. Ansible vs. .... apt-get
[16:09] <joelio> well, they all use apt-get
[16:09] <OerHeks> with systemD just apt
[16:09] <joelio> a Package type will leverage a package provider
[16:10] <joelio> so that could be apt, dpkg, rpm, pip, gem etc.etc.etc.
[16:10] <ZeekHuge> joelio: V nice explanation ! Thank you very very much ! for explanation as well as your help :)
[16:10] <joelio> no worries
[16:11] <joelio> fun thing comes in naming the package to pass to the Pacakge type.. but generally there's a case statement that uses the system facts to drive the paramaterisation of the name
[16:12] <joelio> OerHeks: apt isn't great in scripts due to the progress bar dpkg configuration ;)
[16:12] <joelio> apt-get still exists too in xenial :)
[16:12] <joelio> I use apt manually, but apt-get in scripts
[16:13] <joelio> you can get progress bar in apt-get too btw
[16:13] <OerHeks> true, the transit to apt needs some time.
[16:13] <OerHeks> !info pv
[16:13] <joelio> dd comes with a progress bar too now, apparently
[16:13] <joelio> aleays used pv though :)
[16:15] <joelio> if you want fancy progress bar in normal apt-get
[16:15] <joelio> echo 'Dpkg::Progress-Fancy "1";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99progressbar
[16:16] <joelio> or just use apt !
[16:16] <OerHeks> :-)
[16:19] <uebera||> Hi. I have a few disks which sometimes are not detected as "very big devices" (i.e., "sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] 5860533168 512-byte logical blocks: (3.00 TB/2.73 TiB)"). Is there a way to force a rescan/use of READ CAPACITY(16) at all times?
[16:20] <OerHeks> uebera||, check your vendor for a bios update?
[16:21] <clonne> hello everyone, how do I turn off aport?
[16:23] <uebera||> OerHeks: Regarding the machine--no dice (it's an Apple MacMini Late2009). However, switching those disks (connected via USB) off and on again eventually works.
[16:24] <OerHeks> clonne, many ways
[16:24] <OerHeks> for now: sudo service apport stop
[16:24] <clonne> hehehe, what you playing?
[16:25] <clonne> ayt sure trying that now
[16:25] <OerHeks> or edit sudo nano /etc/default/apport >> Change the line that says enabled=1 to enabled=0
[16:26] <OerHeks> then you can use it still with: sudo service apport start force_start=1
[16:26] <clonne> it worked! thanks 0erHeks
[16:26] <OerHeks> have fun!
[16:34] <MrHall> hello
[16:34] <MrHall> i have a problem
[16:35] <MrHall> i deleted ubuntu from windows (delete the partition) to install xubuntu
[16:35] <MrHall> when i want install xubuntu i have a kernel error
[16:35] <MrHall> and Error "No Such Partition"
[16:36] <MrHall> someone can help me?
[16:37] <MrHall> i try install ubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu and i have same error
[16:38] <MrHall> like you need use kernel before gruub
[16:40] <MrHall> hellooooo
[16:40] <MrHall> :(
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> !patience | MrHall
[16:40] <SchrodingersScat> MrHall: are you sure you're booting from the livecd/usb?
[16:41] <MrHall> SchrodingersScat:  yes i try boot (i have 3 sos in a flash)
[16:42] <smong> I had to clean up my /boot since it was full, so I deleted a few kernels and I already told the machine to reboot before I realised no kernel was in /boot anymore. I can chroot back into the filesystem and I installed a new kernel, but how can I configure grub to actually use it?
[16:42] <MrHall> im installing windows now. i will install xubuntu then
[16:42] <MrHall> smong:  i had this problem :(
[16:42] <smong> I think the machine is using a software raid
[16:42] <smong> MrHall: how did you fix it ?
[16:42] <MrHall> but i deleted since windows
[16:43] <MrHall> i m re installing :(
[16:44] <MrHall> my problem was i deleted ubuntu since windows(formating partition) when i reboot BOOOOOM smong
[16:44] <MrHall> and i cant install ubuntu xubuntu or lubuntu
[16:44] <MrHall> :,(
[16:45] <MrHall> eclipse mars works on linux?
[16:54] <fsociety_> hello
[16:57] <LuminaFan> Will Ubuntu release a new phone?... I checked the website and they all seem to be sold out.
[16:57] <null_pers0n> hi guys
[16:59] <OerHeks> LuminaFan, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-touch, the place to be for phone
[17:05] <amnix> I am getting a new SSD for my laptop. Will I have to format it before installing ubuntu? Or will the ubuntu installer handle all that if I want to use the entire drive for ubuntu?
[17:05] <Phryq> so is LXC installed by default? And if not, how do I do it?
[17:05] <Phryq> Installer will handle it
[17:05] <natkeeran_> #islandora
[17:06] <amnix> Phryq: So I can just install the new drive and use the ubuntu installer for automatic partitioning right?
[17:06] <smong> how can I verify that my remote machine will actually boot, without rebooting it? :P
[17:07] <smong> I followed this: https://michaelfranzl.com/2014/01/29/remote-server-hetzner-rebooting/
[17:10] <ZeekHuge> So, now after I have nouveau driver for my NVIDIA Graphics card, I dont need bumblebee and the graphics card wont just be on to heat up my laptop . is that right ?
[17:10] <squinty> Phryq,   apt show lxc
[17:16] <ducasse> Phryq: i think 16.04 installs lxc by default
[17:16] <compdoc> yup
[17:17] <compdoc> dont think its a good idea. I disable it
[17:18] <squinty> not installed by default here on my 16.04  (or at least apt doesn't show it as installed)
[17:20] <ducasse> squinty: maybe i was thinking of lxd, then
[17:21] <squinty> ducasse,  not installed here either :-)
[17:22] <ducasse> squinty: me remembering wrong then :)
[17:23] <ducasse> ubuntu-server Recommends lxd - that was what i was thinking of - i always install from the server image
[17:24] <squinty> ah good to know
[17:27] <ducasse> 'aptitude why' is great for figuring out why stuff is installed :)
[17:28] <ni291187> hey
[17:29] <cupofbrew> what's the package name for virtual box?
[17:30] <cupofbrew> it's in the ubuntu repository right?
[17:30] <MonkeyDust> !find virtualbox
[17:30] <OerHeks> virtualbox is a meta package
[17:30] <cupofbrew> What does that mean
[17:30] <ni291187> how can I install ubuntu on my mac
[17:30] <cupofbrew> trying to install 64 bit virtual box via the terminal
[17:31] <OerHeks> !metapackage
[17:31] <cupofbrew> i'm using 16.04
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> !mac | ni291187
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: the answer is, though, the package name is (afaict), virtualbox
[17:31] <OerHeks> so no need for version numbers and such
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: you will need to have multiverse enabled
[17:31] <cupofbrew> so sudo apt-get install virtualbox should do it?
[17:31] <nacc> cupofbrew: yes
[17:31] <cupofbrew> thanks
[17:32] <ni291187> I tried to install once but osx has gone and I couldn't use my keyboard
[17:35] <ducasse> ni291187: you might have better luck by simply googling "ubuntu install" and your specific mac model, the mac wiki pages are pretty old
[17:39] <monsterjamp> How do I get the latest opensource AMD GPU drivers?
[17:40] <zim> Hi all. Quick one. Ubuntu desktop 16.04 On command line when I ssh-add it no longer defaults to identity I have to ssh-add ~/.ssh/identity why?
[17:41] <Phryq> amnix yes
[17:41] <ducasse> zim: iirc, ssh-add looks for keys named id_<algorithm>, such as id_rsa by default
[17:41] <OerHeks> monsterjamp, i do not recommend the *beta* drivers from the AMD site. use the ones provided
[17:43] <monsterjamp> Nvm, I misread glxinfo. I thought the current drivers installed only supported OpenGL 3.0 but it supports OpenGL 4.1
[17:43] <OerHeks> monsterjamp, key is: 16.04 is LTS, so only stable packages are provided, as of 16.10 development takes a spin
[17:43] <Phryq> so I typed sudo apt install lxc; that's right?
[17:45] <ducasse> Phryq: yes
[17:49] <Guest25525> So, Most of the time I can't set my bluetooth speaker to A2DP sink, which is the only audio option that doesn't sound like garbage
[17:49] <Guest25525> Sometimes, if I spam the button long enough it lets me
[17:50] <Guest25525> Any advice on how to get this working without frustration?
[17:50] <yuken> Well, apparently I can't create any partitions under Kubuntu live CD... Windows 10, wat'r u doin
[17:51] <Phryq> so I did an 'apt get update', because there was an install error. But the update had a bunch of "failed to fetch" errors
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: is there a reason you're specifically installing lxc (rather than lxd)?
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: what was the 'install error'?
[17:52] <nacc> Phryq: (pastebin)
[17:53] <Phryq> oh, maybe I want lxd
[17:53] <ulyzze> How can I connect one PC to another using a LAN cable to provide it with Internet access just as a router would?
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: you probably want lxd (which will pull in lxc2)
[17:53] <Phryq> the thing that virtualized other things really well
[17:53] <OerHeks> !ics
[17:53] <Phryq> so now I think I should uninstall lxc, yes?
[17:53] <Guest25525> Where can I go to ask about bluetooth speaker problems?  I keep getting nothing here
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: neither lxc nor lxd virtualize
[17:53] <nacc> Phryq: they are container solutions
[17:54] <Phryq> like KVM?
[17:54] <nacc> Phryq: kvm is a virtualization technology/solution, yes
[17:54] <nacc> Phryq: lxc and lxd are not like kvm
[17:54] <Phryq> how are they different?
[17:54] <Phryq> Can I run another linux OS inside the container?
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: lxc and lxd are container solutions
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: depends on what you mean
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: you can run in another OS' environment, but a container shares the host's kernel
[17:55] <nacc> Phryq: so it's not like you're actually running the other OS
[17:56] <Phryq> ok, so in the case I'm running an OS like Tails, which is deisgned for privacy. Will I somehow lose privacy by using a container rather than a VM?
[17:56] <szb> Guest25525, you could probably also ask in channels like #ubuntu-mate, #lubuntu and so on... That's probably something not specific to Unity, more Ubuntu in general, I guess. Unfortunately I have no idea how to help, sorry!
[17:57] <goju050207> Hey there
[17:57] <szb> Phryq, just to let you know: the Tails developers specifically state that running Tails in any sort of VM will basically make the OS's purpose useless.
[17:58] <ulyzze> How can I connect one PC to another using a LAN cable to provide it with Internet access just as a router would?
[17:58] <Guest25525> szb, Ok I'll try there
[17:58] <coovi> Hi
[17:58] <nacc> Phryq: containers are very different than VMs, I think that's something rather basic you should understand first
[17:58] <goju050207>  I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS but I am unable to visit my  bank website
[17:58] <ulyzze> goju050207: try another browesr?
[17:59] <mjayk> ulyzze, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing sounds like what you want
[17:59] <goju050207> I have tries Chromium, Google Chrome
[18:00] <szb> goju050207, do you have any additional add-ons installed? Is there an error message when visiting the website?
[18:00] <ulyzze> Try to enable JS
[18:00] <goju050207> Java Script ?
[18:01] <ulyzze> yes
[18:01] <zim> ducasse: ty will try. identity has worked since I started using linux in 2000
[18:01] <goju050207> How ?
[18:01] <goju050207> Strangely TOR browser can visit my site
[18:01] <ulyzze> goju050207: there are many things that could be wrong. Do you get any error messages when you're trying  to?
[18:01] <goju050207> none
[18:01] <ulyzze> goju050207: 404?
[18:02] <Laurenceb> hi
[18:02] <Laurenceb> can anyone help me with bluetooth?
[18:02] <ulyzze> mjayk: I don't want to set up a network, I want to make Ubuntu OS provide connection like a gateway, same as router
[18:02] <ducasse> zim: you could try specifying it in a 'Host *' section in ~/.ssh/config
[18:02] <ducasse> ulyzze: that _is_ a network...
[18:03] <goju050207> I do not get any error message. After i click on the netbanking button Login page does not appear
[18:03] <szb> goju050207, can you open Firefox and type 'about:support' in your adress bar?
[18:03] <ulyzze> Nevermind, looks too complicated...
[18:03] <ulyzze> goju050207: it's possible the bank blacklists your ip. Can you change IP?
[18:04] <stan_man_can_> hey all. just installed ubuntu a couple days ago, i have sda and sdb, sda is a 120GB SSD I'm using for / and sdb is a 240GB ssd i'm using for /home. I have a 2TB mechanical drive formatted as EXT4 that i'm u sing for storage. I plugged it in and it's mounted at /media/user/storage -- is this normal? or if it's a drive that's always in there should it be somewhere else?
[18:04] <ducasse> goju050207: is it possible your bank uses java?
[18:04] <stan_man_can_> only asking because i know /mexia/{user}/ is also where usb drives and stuff get mounted, so not sure if it's meant for more of a temporary location or what
[18:04] <goju050207> yes now what
[18:04] <szb> goju050207, at the bottom there should be an item with "Javascript" -- does it say "true" or "false" ?
[18:05] <goju050207> why would it blacklist my ip ?
[18:05] <ducasse> !who | goju050207
[18:05] <ulyzze> goju050207: by mistake maybe
[18:06] <goju050207> that's ridiculous
[18:06] <ulyzze> goju050207: try using another browser, in another OS. You can use a live USB.
[18:07] <ulyzze> Another method would be to change the user agent using an add on
[18:07] <tdannecy> stan_man_can_: As far as I know, it mounted it in the correct location. It might also be in /mnt/somethingsomethingsomething too.
[18:07] <goju050207> szb: I have done as you told me , now what
[18:07] <szb> goju050207, scroll down, there should be "Javascript" listed somewhere near the bottom - does it say "true"?
[18:07] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy: that's fine i just wanted to make sure that /media isn't meant for temporary locations or something funny
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy: thanks!!!
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy!!
[18:08] <tdannecy> stan_man_can_: Not that I know of!
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> tdannecy++
[18:08] <stan_man_can_> dang no bot, okay well thanks anyways, cy 8a
[18:09] <goju050207> sbz: Java Script
[18:09] <Guest25525> stan_man_can_, I'm new too but I'm pretty sure you can choose to mount it somewhere else if you want also, like in a folder in home called sdc or something
[18:09] <goju050207> sbz: Incremental GC: true
[18:11] <szb> goju050207, okay, so Javascript is enabled. Does your banking website use Flash perhaps?? (I hope not!) Type 'about:plugins' in the adress bar. Is Flash listed there? It should also say 'enabled'!
[18:12] <OerHeks> with chrome he should be fine .. maybe some adblocker plugin?
[18:13] <goju050207> sbz: Shockwave Flash: enabled
[18:13] <Phryq> so should I uninstall lxc?
[18:13] <szb> OerHeks, he said he tried Chrome and Chromium and it didn't work either...
[18:13] <Phryq> I'm afraid to break something using the command
[18:13] <flax> Is gtx 1080 the fastest gpu you can use on linux?
[18:13] <ducasse> goju050207: again; is it possible your bank uses java?
[18:13] <stan_man_can> Anyone use Plex Media Server? The plex support docs say to download the .deb and run dpkg to install it, but if you google "ubuntu plex" they have repo's to do it. Not sure which is best...
[18:14] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, some .deb packages on websites contain the sources list & key, like chrome
[18:15] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, I'm not 100% sure if that's good or bad? Does that mean I should install the .deb>
[18:16] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: use your distro repo
[18:16] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: always
[18:16] <Pantsu> if you want a more up to date version then roll your own .deb
[18:16] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, I don't see it if I do sudo apt search plex
[18:17] <flax> is nvidia the best on linux
[18:17] <Pantsu> don't use upstream provided .deb
[18:17] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, if you refer to the plex site, they offer the mediaserver as package, not as repository https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200288586-Installation
[18:17] <Guest25525> stan_man_can, small note, you don't need sudo for that
[18:17] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, Yeah I know they offer it as a package, but Pantsu just told me not to use it?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> flax, usually fewer prblems with nvidia in my experience
[18:18] <stan_man_can> Guest25525, ah thanks :)
[18:18] <OerHeks> i wouldn;t  either, but that was not the question
[18:18] <flax> amd driver does not seem to use most of the vram on my video card
[18:18] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, well it kinda sorta was? the original question was
[18:19] <stan_man_can> that they offer a .deb but if you google it some people say use this repo, not sure which to do
[18:19] <stan_man_can> http://www.htpcguides.com/install-plex-media-server-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:19] <OerHeks> as plex is not in our repos, you would need to add a PPA like https://launchpad.net/~plexapp/+archive/ubuntu/plexht
[18:19] <BluesKaj> flax, do you vdpau installed?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> have
[18:19] <Pantsu> stan_man_can: don't read outdated guides btw
[18:19] <stan_man_can> OerHeks, ah there we go, that's close along the lines of what I was hoping for
[18:20] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, nice tutor, but you rely on their repo and testing..
[18:20] <Pantsu> hmm plex isn't free software?
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, sorry linked to the wrong one, https://www.htpcguides.com/install-plex-media-server-ubuntu-16-x-and-later/
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, the software is free yes
[18:20] <Pantsu> free as in freedom, not free beer
[18:20] <Pantsu> as in you can't get the source
[18:20] <szb> stan_man_can, OerHeks link to the PPA might be your way to go IMHO, since you'll find everything packaged specifically for 16.04 (i assume that's what you're using) and in case there's any updates you'll receive those as well!
[18:20] <stan_man_can> Pantsu, ah
[18:21] <stan_man_can> szb, yeah that sounds like the best route
[18:21] <ducasse> stan_man_can: you might also want to check out emby, which is free software
[18:21] <Pantsu> that makes it a giant pain
[18:21] <OerHeks> szb +1 updates
[18:21] <Guest25525> Pantsu, i don't get that expression, you can do whatever you want with beer
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Guest25525, beer normally costs money
[18:22] <stan_man_can> ducasse, thanks I'll take a look. I'll most likely end up sticking with plex, we have everyone in our house setup on it (phones, xbox's, all that jazz) but always interested in checking out new software
[18:22] <Pantsu> Guest25525: you can't get the recepi
[18:22] <Pantsu> usually
[18:23] <Guest25525> Pantsu, but why would you want it? you can piss in the beer, drink the beer throw the beer at somebody, its ownership has completely transfered to you
[18:23] <Pantsu> Guest25525: you can't make more because you have no idea how it was made
[18:24] <stan_man_can> question while i'm here, whats the difference between apt and apt-get ?
[18:24] <Pantsu> and your ability to modify it is somewhat limited
[18:24] <Guest25525> Pantsu, ah, that makes at least some sense.  Free speach is limited too though so I still don't like the expression
[18:24] <stan_man_can> or more so, which one should I use? last time I used ubuntu I was using "aptitude"
[18:25] <BluesKaj> apt is a wrapper for apt-get , but all package managers use the dpkg  system
[18:25] <bipul> I found a very strange, i am the owner of a directory B/ i.e dr-xrw-r-x+ 2 bipul bipul 4096 Aug 24 23:43 B/ , and i would like to change it's File owner and Group owner field , from chmod i.e chmod student:controller B/
[18:25] <Melio> openjdk isnt in the ubuntu software repo
[18:25] <szb> stan_man_can, apt-get and apt are basically the same, with apt being the younger option (e.g. showing a fancy progress bar ^-^) but as far as i now apt's just a wrapper and they're basically identical.
[18:25] <bipul> It says chown: changing ownership of 'B/': Operation not permitted
[18:25] <stan_man_can> szb, awesome thanks
[18:25] <flax> use chmod
[18:25] <Pantsu> Melio: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk
[18:25] <Melio> do i need to enable the repo just for openjdk? I would assume it's already in development sources
[18:25] <Pantsu> Melio: the webpage disagree with you
[18:26] <flax> 777
[18:26] <ducasse> bipul: try chown
[18:26] <Melio> why doesnt it come up when i use graphical gui searching
[18:26] <bipul> ducasse, chown: changing ownership of 'B/': Operation not permitted
[18:26] <szb> Melio, are you using the Software Center?
[18:26] <Melio> es. "ubuntu software"
[18:26] <bipul> sorry it chown not chmod*
[18:27] <Melio> i dono why t's called that it's pretty generic sounding
[18:27] <ducasse> bipul: then you would need to do that as root, i expect
[18:27] <bipul> ducasse, Why? , when i am the owner of the file?
[18:27] <Melio> i can do a search at the command line. but you would think it would be there on defualt install without adding source pointers
[18:27] <Pantsu> bipul: findmnt -T path/to/B
[18:28] <ducasse> bipul: but you're not the new owner
[18:28] <szb> Melio, yeah, Ubuntu Software has some serious bugs that need to be worked out... Not showing all available items in the repos is one of them, I'm afraid. I just use Synaptic!
[18:28] <nacc> bipul: read `man 2 chown`
[18:28] <nacc> bipul: only CAP_CHOWN processes can change the owner of a file
[18:29] <Melio> szb. there may not b a 16.04.x version
[18:29] <bipul> ducasse, I have created the file B , with bipul account.
[18:29] <Melio> which is why it doesnt show
[18:29] <nacc> bipul: owner of a file can change the group to any group they are a member of (but needs CAP_CHOWN to change to groups they are not member of)
[18:29] <bipul> Pantsu, /      /dev/sda1 ext4   rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered
[18:29] <nacc> Melio: if a package is in 16.04, it's probably in 16.04.x; what package are you looking for?
[18:30] <Melio> openjdk
[18:30] <szb> Melio, there definitely is one! They're all showing up when I search for 'openjdk' in Synaptic!
[18:30] <Melio> I bet if i fire up apt-get install openjdk it'll spot on get it
[18:30] <bipul> Yes, bipul is the member of controller group.
[18:30] <nacc> bipul: then you could change just the group
[18:30] <Melio> i'm going to finish letting my printer driver install
[18:30] <nacc> Melio: there is no 'openjdk' package anywhere
[18:31] <nacc> Melio: afaict, there is, e.g. openjdk-8 (srcpkg), openjdk-8-jre, etc
[18:31] <szb> Melio, I'm seeing "openjdk-8-jdk" and "openjdk-9-jdk"
[18:31] <nacc> Melio: as szb said, don't use "Ubuntu Software" for searching :)
[18:32] <tmi1> Hey, does anyone have any experience with grub randomly crashing during the selection menu? Often if I try to choose the third item (windows) grub will just crash when I've pressed down just once
[18:32] <bipul> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085888/
[18:32] <_0xbadc0de> guys
[18:32] <_0xbadc0de> how can I unninstall mysql5
[18:33] <jatt> apt remove mysql5
[18:33] <stan_man_can> Ah the plex version on that app is super old
[18:34] <stan_man_can> well, 7 months,  but they've had a ton of updates in the meantime
[18:34] <Melio> i wonder what default-jre will do vrs the entire openjdk 8 install
[18:34] <nacc> _0xbadc0de: jatt: mysql5 is not a package name
[18:34] <nacc> _0xbadc0de: do you mean 'mysql-server' ?
[18:34] <jatt> apt remove <package>
[18:35] <nacc> bipul: have you logged out/in since you added bipul to controller?
[18:36] <nacc> bipul: also your directory has an acl on it, it seems
[18:36] <nacc> bipul: what does `getfacl B` report?
[18:36] <bipul> nacc, Do you have any answer?
[18:36] <robinson> hello world
[18:37] <robinson> hellow Grorco
[18:37] <ubuntuNewUser> hello
[18:37] <lewltrowl> Is unity default in 16.04 LTS?
[18:37] <robinson> yes it is
[18:38] <szb> lewltrowl, yes, Unity 7
[18:38] <lewltrowl> robinson: Allright, maybe a dumb question but how do i change DM when i login?
[18:38] <szb> tmi1, you could try BootRepair (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#Getting_Boot-Repair), i always found it to be an easy and reliable fix for everything GRUB-related!
[18:39] <robinson> lewltrowl: haveyou installed an alternative desktop environment?
[18:39] <bipul> nacc, Does chown has has anythings to do with ACL ? anyway let me give you the details
[18:39] <nacc> bipul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23085908/
[18:39] <lewltrowl> I want to use gnome :)
[18:40] <szb> lewltrowl, if you have XFCE installed, as an example, log out and next to your name on the login-screen there should be a little gear icon. Click it and it should let you chose a different desktop.
[18:40] <nacc> bipul: and my user is a member of that group
[18:40] <morbidsteve> hi
[18:40] <robinson> lweltrowl: first go to the terminal and type : sudo apt-get install gnome
[18:40] <szb> lewltrowl, as robinson pointed out, this only works if you already have another DE installed!
[18:40] <ubuntuNewUser> im running Ubuntu off a flashdrive just to try and see if i like it...I F'ing LOVE it. now i want to intall it on my hard drive but i want to create a separe partition for each OS. Which is the best software and how do i get it? remember i just started using linux 2 days ago...Damn "Mr.Robot"..any help?
[18:41] <mjayk> ubuntuNewUser, try gparted, thats what I use for that task anyway
[18:41] <morbidsteve> ubuntuNewUser, when you go to install through the USB live image, it will ask you about partitioning and do it for you
[18:41] <tmi1> szb, I'm just a bit worried that I would end up destroying something as all grub options work ... it's just the random hangs when trying to select something
[18:41] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085912/
[18:41] <szb> lewltrowl, also note that installing a different DE next to an existing one might pull in lots and lots of libraries and dependencies that can conflict with each other (although Unity and Gnome should go quite well with each other)
[18:42] <robinson> lweltrowl: then restart your machine . You should be able to choose hnome
[18:42] <bipul> Let me try with new directory.
[18:42] <robinson> lweltrowl: sorry gnome.
[18:42] <ubuntuNewUser> Morbidsteve mjayk, thankx guys
[18:42] <szb> tmi1, i know that feel, bro! ^-^ Have you recently installed any different hardware and/or drivers?
[18:43] <daku_> Alright, before I throw my computer out the window, is this a proper place to get help connecting a git repository to VS: Code on Ubuntu?
[18:43] <jatt> there is #git
[18:43] <daku_> Ah, thanks jatt, away I go
[18:44] <szb> tmi1, you could try running a simple "sudo update-grub" from the command line. This doesn't touch anything vital, but if there was a configuration changed somewhere along the line it might just help! (Just a wild guess as well since those crashes/hangs could be caused by a number of things)
[18:44] <tmi1> szb, indeed I have. A new GPU. But would grub even know anything about my GPU?
[18:44] <bipul> nacc, Epic Fail http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085913/
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: i already told you you can't change ownership (user) w/o sudo.
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: read `man 2 sudo` and the part i quoted earlier.
[18:45] <nacc> bipul: nothing epic about what you pasted.
[18:45] <szb> tmi1, I'm not really familiar with Grub, so I can't answer that. But take a look here: https://superuser.com/questions/273621/grub-freezes-on-the-selection-menu-after-video-card-swap
[18:45] <dharambe> HI IS THIS THE PLACE FOR UBUNTU HELP
[18:45] <tomreyn> yes, not the pace for caps lock, though
[18:45] <Smoht> YES SIR HOW CAN I HELP
[18:45] <tomreyn> *place
[18:46] <jatt> !caps
[18:46] <dharambe> Sorry. I was trying to set a new background photo with Ubtu 9.4
[18:46] <dharambe> and I can't get it to work
[18:46] <bipul> nacc, ok. So i may change the group ownership ?
[18:46] <szb> tmi1, mind you that thread is 5 years old! And the answer its linking to is even older... But it just shows that somehow hardware and Grub seem to be connected! :3
[18:47] <tmi1> ah, so at least it doesnt seem like a unique problem then :)
[18:47] <ducasse> dharambe: 9.04? it's been eol for years.
[18:47] <nacc> bipul: it seems like you should be able to, if you are a member of the target group
[18:48] <bipul> bipul has controller group, and he wanted to assign it, to a directory A
[18:48] <nacc> bipul: yes, what is your point?
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: you haven't shown that failing yet, without acls in play
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: and i showed you it working locally
[18:49] <bipul> And he fails to do so
[18:49] <bipul> bipul@bipul:~$ chgrp controller A/
[18:49] <bipul> chgrp: changing group of 'A/': Operation not permitted
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: please use pastebin
[18:49] <nacc> bipul: can you do exactly as I did in my paste? (subsituting controller for libvirtd if you want)
[18:50] <redrighthand> In 16.04, how do I name the virtual desktops, I have a 4x4 grid.
[18:50] <redrighthand> But only want to name a few of them
[18:50] <jatt> double click on the workspace name
[18:51] <redrighthand> where is that?
[18:52] <redrighthand> I hotkey around, and the launcher icon just brings up the grid with no names
[18:53] <tmi1> well, I think I'll head off to bed and try looking for the solution again tomorrow. Thanks for your ideas, szb
[18:54] <szb> redrighthand, if you're using Unity I'm tempted to think that this option doesn't exist there...
[18:54] <szb> tmi1, you're welcome! good look!!
[18:55] <tuxiano> Hi I installed darktable using snappy. Now I have issues opening files stored outside of my home directory (on a nfs drive). Is it somehow possible to extend the permissions of a snap app so that it can open such files.
[18:56] <bipul> nacc, Check this http://paste.ubuntu.net/23085951/
[18:56] <bipul> I hope something is wrong with my file system type
[18:57] <tuxiano> Same problem with vlc, too.
[18:57] <bipul> I found strange behavior i found.
[18:57] <bipul> I found strange behavior*
[19:00] <ducasse> tuxiano: try #snappy
[19:00] <stan_man_can> Is there any way to tweak what happens when you make a window full screen? I'm not a fan of having to hover over the top for the menu, also not a fan of the menu options extending past the quick menu bar...now that I think of it, would also be nice of the quick menu bar auto-hid
[19:01] <bipul> ducasse, You said something new owner?
[19:01] <tuxiano> ducasse: thx
[19:02] <szb> stan_man_can, you can install the 'unity-tweak-tool' for options like that!
[19:02] <ducasse> bipul: nacc already explained this for you
[19:02] <stan_man_can> szb, awesome thanks again
[19:03] <szb> stan_man_can, oh but concerning the menus, there's also an option in the regular settings under 'Appearance > Behavior'
[19:03] <szb> stan_man_can, you can set them to 'always show' there!
[19:03] <stan_man_can> szb, thank youuu
[19:04] <szb> stan_man_can, any time! :)
[19:05] <ubuntuNewUser> can i clone a disk using gparted?
[19:06] <bekks> ubuntuNewUser: I'd use clonezilla for cloning a disk.
[19:06] <bipul> gparted?
[19:06] <ubuntuNewUser> @bekks, thaks for the input
[19:07] <szb> ubuntuNewUser, gparted is able to clone single partitions, if I'm not mistaken, but not entire disks! Here's a quick tutorial on Clonezilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzxL95GmmYk
[19:07] <bipul> nacc, ?
[19:07] <stan_man_can> Anyone have issues with the "AUto-hide" of the launcher? just turned that feature on and sometimes when i hover the launcher doesn't show
[19:11] <szb> stan_man_can, you could try upping the reveal sensitivity of your courser. But even on the most sensitive setting the launcher might not get revealed on the first try sometimes..... I don't know a fix for that! To be honest I think it's not really made for being hidden, since some opening or alert animations don't play too nicely with the launcher when it's hidden...
[19:12] <stan_man_can> szb, good to know thanks. yeah it's not a sensitivity issue sometimes you hover and it gives a glow at the edge but you gotta hover on/off a few times before it slides out. if it becomes too much of an issue i'll put it back to show
[19:13] <bipul> nacc, I did what you said, but no success.
[19:14] <ubuntuNewUser> im running Ubuntu on a flashdrive...how do i intall clonezilla ?
[19:14] <szb> stan_man_can, I just tried it and the keyboard shortcut seems to work quite nicely!
[19:16] <szb> ubuntuNewUser, try 'sudo apt install clonezilla' (you might not need 'sudo', not sure)
[19:16] <tripelb> "E: could bot get lock /var/lib/dpg/,lock ... is another process using it?"  I just booted it up. Last time it did this. Ibdid ps -aux bit then didnt know how to proceed. UB 16.04 re >sudo apt- get install handbrake
[19:16] <tripelb> npt
[19:17] <tripelb> not
[19:17] <exoalexander> excuse me i need some information on the upcoming Ubuntu 16.10 so i can prepare
[19:17] <exoalexander> yakkety yak
[19:18] <szb> exoalexander, just ask your question, if somebody sees it and knows the answer they will let you know! :)
[19:18] <exoalexander> ok
[19:18] <exoalexander> 1. will unity 8 take over
[19:18] <tripelb> exoalexander: Welcome it with an altar in your house with yellow flowers and two candles, best white.
[19:19] <szb> exoalexander, as far as I know it will not be the default Desktop for 16.10, but available to install!
[19:19] <OerHeks> exoalexander, not yet, with 16.10
[19:20] <bekks> Why not staying with 16.04 until 2021? :)
[19:20] <exoalexander> 2. is ubuntu going to get a gnome look
[19:20] <exoalexander> 2021 WTF!
[19:20] <OerHeks> ugh, themes .. sure someone will do that.
[19:20] <tripelb> i want to knpw what process has a lock on my administration directory already. just booted 16.04
[19:21] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:21] <szb> exoalexander, please ask all questions at once, otherwise it's difficult to follow you... Concerning your question: What is a 'Gnome look'?
[19:21] <tripelb> exoalexander: gnome-classic ftw
[19:21] <Laurenceb> Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[19:21] <exoalexander> 3. is beta one out tommarow
[19:21] <Laurenceb> suggestions welcome for what could cause such an error
[19:21] <exoalexander> ok
[19:22] <OerHeks> standard gnome3 desktop is available too.
[19:22] <tripelb> exoalexander: 10 is OCTOBER not September
[19:23] <exoalexander> 4. will a 8gig usb work
[19:23] <tripelb> my questio! I ask in good form and the man who cant read a calendar gets all the attention. /me whines
[19:24] <OerHeks> tripelb, "E: could bot get lock /var/lib/dpg/,lock ... is another process using it?"  .. this happens when softwarecenter/synaptic is open and you use terminal .. or updates are pending.
[19:25] <szb> exoalexander, Unity7 will stay the way it is and Unity8 will follow the same principals, but take a glimpse here: http://design.canonical.com/2016/08/convergent-terminal
[19:25] <OerHeks> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-releases-massive-mir-0-24-0-display-server-update-for-ubuntu-linux-os-507569.shtml
[19:25] <OerHeks> but not ready for production
[19:27] <melio> helps, can't kill -9 this process 21323 pts/17   00:00:00 dpkg-preconfigu <defunct>
[19:27] <szb> exoalexander, for question 4: I *think* an 8GB USB will be enough!
[19:27] <melio> any idea what i can do?
[19:27] <stan_man_can> Alright so I have a 2TB ext4 formatted drive installed in my box, it auto mounts to /media/{user}/storage can I just tell it to mount at like /storage or something?
[19:27] <melio> maby kill the parent process?
[19:27] <melio> stan_man_can, you can make a symbolic link
[19:27] <stan_man_can> or i guess /mnt/storage if that's any better?
[19:27] <varaindemian> should I use apt instead of apt-get when updateting and installing packages?
[19:28] <melio> i use apt-get
[19:28] <tripelb> N/M I would have rather learned but released it in the GUI. Dont UI nderstand how it could survive 2 reboots. laptop, 14.04.  b
[19:28] <melio> apt-get install keyword
[19:28] <melio> sudo will help
[19:28] <stan_man_can> melio, the issue i'm running into is it mounts in /media/{user}/ and i'm using plex as a media server, plex needs me to set 755 recursively on /media and i'm not sure that's safe?
[19:29] <szb> varaindemian, 'apt' and 'apt' get are doing the exact same thing (apt being a wrapper for apt-get) so it shouldn't make any difference!
[19:29] <stan_man_can> melio, well, on /media /media/bkilshaw /media/bkilshaw/storage
[19:29] <melio> stan_man_can, do you know the basics of file permissions, i would look up file permissions codex
[19:29] <melio> .filepermissions
[19:29] <tripelb> thanks OerHeks (I knew that and was perusing the output of ps aux for clues as to what to kill.
[19:29] <melio> .permissions
[19:30] <melio> .chmod
[19:30] <szb> varaindemian, sorry, i meant to say 'apt' and 'apt-get' are identical
[19:30] <melio> !chmod
[19:30] <melio> there
[19:30] <stan_man_can> melio, i understand the basics of it but if I set 755 on /media/user will that effect any other drives i plug in that get mounted there as well?
[19:30] <melio> stan if your box isnt on the internet it's safe
[19:30] <rypervenche> stan_man_can: Anything currently mointed will be affected.
[19:30] <melio> if it's front facing without a firewall, hosted server. don't do that
[19:31] <stan_man_can> melio, no it's my desktop at home behind my router so i guess it's alright
[19:31] <rypervenche> stan_man_can: It all depends on what is currently mounted and if you care about the permissions on those disks or not.
[19:31] <tomreyn> also if anyone else uses the computer, dont do it
[19:31] <melio> stan_man_can, sure. but it helps to put in a hardening ssh brute detector and ssh killer when people attack through the firewall
[19:32] <stan_man_can> rypervenche, this is the only thing mounted in there right now
[19:32] <melio> http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/popular-tools-for-brute-force-attacks/
[19:32] <stan_man_can> is there anything that translates drwxr-xr-x to the 775 or whatever
[19:33] <stan_man_can> trying to google but failing
[19:33] <yuken> I'm having troubles with wiping an LVM partition that Fedora has made. Any clue how I should go about doing it with an Ubuntu 16.04.1 liveCD?
[19:33] <stan_man_can> neermind eventually found http://chmod-calculator.com/
[19:33] <tomreyn> stan_man_can: or: man chmod(1)
[19:34] <melio> stan yes
[19:34] <szb> yuken, are you using GParted for that? Does it throw an error?
[19:34] <melio> stan_man_can, http://permissions-calculator.org/
[19:35] <yuken> szb, Kubuntu, so no GParted; the KDE Partition Manager. Yes, it does when trying to format it to ext4.
[19:35] <MrHall> Hello, when  i want install ubuntu xubuntu or lubuntu i have this error: " error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting"
[19:35] <yuken> (a blank ext4 partition)
[19:36] <tomreyn> yuken: why do you want to wipe it, to remove remainders of the data store don it, or because there are some issues creating a new file system or LV on it?
[19:36] <yuken> tomreyn, the former.
[19:36] <szb> yuken, I don't have much experience with that, but when partitions are giving me trouble and I can't fix it from within the system or from a Live CD I'll use the actual GParted Live CD! http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[19:37] <yuken> Can't, szb, internet issues.
[19:37] <tomreyn> okay, for the future, use full disk encryption instead, since wiping data written on platter or ssds is not guaranteed to succeed entirely
[19:37] <tomreyn> for now, i'd use the shred or wipe utilites
[19:38] <m_> hi
[19:38] <yuken> tomreyn, how would I go about using those?
[19:38] <tomreyn> one of them can work on block devices, but i forgot which
[19:38] <King> hi
[19:38] <wildmanron1> Hay i am woundering when my system goes into sleep mode dose it turn off the usb ports and not see the power switch i  have to hold the power swith down to shut down the system just so i can restart it to use it after it gose to sleep
[19:38] <MrHall> Hello, when  i want install ubuntu xubuntu or lubuntu i have this error: " error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting"
[19:38] <tomreyn> i dont remember the exact parameters, but it's oviouis from the manpages. look for "device"
[19:38] <Guest15910> hello
[19:39] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:39] <Laurenceb> can anyone here help me with bluetooth?
[19:40] <user1254> Laurenceb: what's the problem ?
[19:40] <Laurenceb> I'm trying to connect to a serial bluetooth module
[19:40] <yuken> Thanks, tomreyn. Don't know much about partitioning other than the basics, been having this issue for 3 hours at this point.
[19:40] <szb> wildmanron1, you should be able to configure this option in your BIOS! 'Wake on USB' or something similar!
[19:40] <Laurenceb> I've done this many times before, but this time it is failing
[19:41] <Laurenceb> sudo rfcomm connect 13 00:06:66:80:95:37 1Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[19:41] <Laurenceb> a problem with pairing?;
[19:41] <MrHall> i cant enter in linux installer :(
[19:43] <wildmanron1> there is a setting that turns on the usbs but the problem is it wont wake up from sleep mode you know in ubuntu 14.04 where it dosent get used for a while and it goes to sleep it wont wake up when i shake the mouse or touch the key board so i not sure whats going on
[19:44] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm quite positive that's because the option to wake from keyboard and mouse are disabled in your bios! I could be wrong, but you should check it!
[19:44] <lewltrowl> Hello i am trying to install the gnome panel extension via the extension website, i click install but when i refresh the page it says its not installed..
[19:45] <lewltrowl> What am i doing wrong?
[19:45] <yuken> tomreyn, wipefs -a /dev/sda8 (sda8 being the partition) seemed to work. Thanks.
[19:45] <szb> lewltrowl, there's another way, take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqzxqDo7Sk
[19:46] <thor_> can i ask a quetion bout DVI here? im confused about the adapter solutions. If I have mini display port in my t540p, and a viewsonic monitor. the monitor is blurry when using VGA. will an adaptor cable mini dispalty to DVI solve the problem?
[19:46] <lewltrowl> szb: Thank you! :)
[19:46] <wildmanron1> ok i will go check it and get back to you is there any files or logs i can show to you that might tell you or someone what is going on i will be right back thanks for the hint
[19:46] <bekks> thor_: Thats nothing we can guarantee :)
[19:47] <Mojtaba> Hello, I am using system proxy by ssh, and the problem is that thunderbird gives me connection refused for gmail. Do you know what should I do?
[19:47] <Mojtaba> There is no TTY1-6 in Ubuntu 16.04LTS. (Do you know what should I do?)
[19:47] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm not very experienced with those things so I don't know if there are any logs for that! But just go thoroughly through your Bios and see if anything shows up! :)
[19:48] <thor_> bekks: haha.. okay. guess you are right. just wondering if any had encountered similar issue.
[19:50] <melio> ok what should i do, a printer driver locked up. should i use xkill
[19:50] <melio> lol
[19:50] <melio> i remember xkill wonder if it's installed
[19:51] <wafflejock> melio, if you see it in top you can just kill it by pid
[19:51] <melio> i couldnt find it in top
[19:51] <melio> it just froze. going to try again installing it. coulda been during a network fail and a bad hunk of code couldnt deal with finding a url
[19:52] <wafflejock> melio, what print driver? any idea what the process is called?
[19:52] <bipul> nacc, Yes,it works after making restart to my OS.
[19:52] <melio> epson workforce 325
[19:52] <melio> it might not even be available anymore
[19:53] <melio> website links might be bad to get them. i might have to do a manual compile or install of proprietary drivers
[19:54] <wildmanron1> Well it says that the wake on usb deal is on so I am not sure whats going on here but i have reinstalled ubuntu 14.04 twice and dose the same thing so i dont see it being a bad install it has something to do with after i did the 16.04 upgrade it wouldnt wake up then after that so i went back to 14.04 thinking it was just 16.04 but now 14.04 wont wake up and it use to work just fine now not so much
[19:54] <almenon> is there any tools for watching file changes that don't rely on fsevents?  I'm using ubuntu on windows, which does not support fsevents. :/
[19:55] <melio> wow
[19:55] <melio> or Ubuntu 8.04/8.10	All language
[19:55] <melio> 12-21-2011
[19:55] <melio> that's a kinda old driver
[19:55] <szb> wildmanron1, awww... Ok, I'm really sorry but then I don't know any other cause or solution. I was so sure that it was a Bios setting! :3
[19:56] <melio> i had this working before. used the add printer method.
[19:56] <melio> hmm
[19:56] <melio> maby the driver search name is wrong
[19:56] <melio> lemme see if i can adjust hat
[19:56] <melio> gtha
[19:56] <akik> Mojtaba: if the ttys don't appear automatically, you can change /etc/systemd/logind.conf (http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html)
[19:58] <wildmanron1> i checked all that before i posted but i checked it again after you said to look at that setting but it hasn't changed so what the world is cause it not to wake up now it doesn't make since
[19:58] <melio> i'm going to try the epson-escpr driver, it's opensource
[19:58] <melio> should work
[19:59] <melio> ESC/P-R
[20:01] <wryfi> i am trying to backport libsass from yakkety to trusty
[20:01] <wryfi> and it's barfing on something to do with aclocal
[20:01] <wryfi> it's trying to run `cd . && aclocal-, -Im4 --install --force`
[20:01] <wryfi> obvs aclocal- is not a valid command
[20:01] <wryfi> anybody help me track down what's going wrong?
[20:02] <szb> wildmanron1, maybe the answer in this thread can help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/485481/ubuntu-14-04-doesnt-wake-up-after-screen-is-locked-and-blank/770123
[20:03] <szb> wildmanron1, not quite the same problem, but the solution might be the same!
[20:05] <redrighthand> Does anyone know of a good open source ip cam surveillance system? Zoneminder and motion are the only ones I know off the top of my head
[20:07] <gnubug> tux99
[20:08] <wildmanron1> ok i will go check it out and i will get back to you and let you know what i find out thanks for at least trying to help I have been trying to find help for a week now not the worlds smartest on this stuff ether so thank you for trying to help me out i will post back what i figure out whats going on.
[20:09] <szb> wildmanron1, no problem, mate! That's the least we can do for each other here! Don't give up! :)
[20:10] <Guest25525> I'
[20:10] <melio> this printer driver installer in system settings is wacko
[20:11] <melio> I might have to reboot to make it work again. had a stray lock file that broke a update
[20:11] <melio> caused by it
[20:11] <melio> now i do a sudo apt-get update. and i get W: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/op/stable/debian/dists/lsb3.2/Release.gpg: Signature by key E5220FB7014D0FBDA50DFC2BE5E86C008AA65D56 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[20:11] <Guest25525> I'm having trouble with my bluetooth speaker on Ubuntu; I can't change the audio profile to High Fidelity playback (A2DP Sink) from Headset Head Unit (HSP/HFP)
[20:12] <juacado> is openjdk 9 stable, right?
[20:12] <melio> juacado, only way to know is to ask, or try it and tell us
[20:12] <wildmanron1> i just looked at the web page and that might work i will let you know also i wont give up i have run ubuntu for 5 years or so but i am still not that smart to fix it by my self but ya if this works i will let you know thanks sir
[20:13] <juacado> well melio, maybe I have to use a different syntax: is openjdk 9 stable?
[20:13] <tomreyn> yuken: wipefs is not amonogst the tools i suggested. it does not provide data protection, just deletes parts of the file system meta data.
[20:14] <wafflejock> Guest25525, I've had related problems with bluetooth intermittently typically solution for me was to kill pulseaudio and restart it myself for some reason when it's running in the user session it seems to work in terms of changing audio profiles
[20:14] <yuken> tomreyn, that is what I was looking for x-x.
[20:15] <tomreyn> yuken: okay, you told me something else earlier
[20:15] <wafflejock> Guest25525, you may also want to try out pavucontrol (pulse audio control) and/or blueman manager have had a bit more luck with those than the prebaked tools
[20:15] <tomreyn> former != latter ;-P
[20:15] <Guest25525> wafflejock, I tried killing pulseaudio with pkill and it came back immediately Also, I''m using both of those tools.  Pavucontrol is great but it hasn't helped
[20:16] <wafflejock> Guest25525, think you need to do pulseaudio -k to kill it.... I may have done some other config changes to stop it from auto restarting as well
[20:16] <eduardo_> I just installed ubuntu 16 and rhythmbox 3.3 doesn't work
[20:16] <Guest25525> wafflejock, Also, confusingly enough sometimes, if I spam changing to a2dp sink enough it will randomly work
[20:16] <eduardo_> tried already to uninstall it
[20:17] <wafflejock> Guest25525, yeah bummer it's been really flakey for me as well.. 16.04 seemed a bit better in some cases but other devices I just can't turn on the high fidelty at all... seems we're in the same boat
[20:17] <gnubug> I have a problem with my DNS settings and WLAN. After a fresh boot it works, but after I plugged in and then plugged out the LAN cable it doesn't work anymore. Any ideas?
[20:17] <Guest25525> wafflejock, It really sucks, I know the speaker isn't at fault cause it works from my phone just fine
[20:17] <tomreyn> eduardo_: "does not work" how?
[20:18] <tomreyn> eduardo_: does the graphical interface not show? if so, run it from a command line and check the output
[20:19] <eduardo_> tomreyn: yeah the graphical interface doesn't show up, i get his message now: rhythmbox: error while loading shared libraries: libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:19] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i guess i'll install that library
[20:20] <gnubug> I tried "sudo ifdown --force wlp3s0; sudo ifuo wlp3s0", but this doesn't help.
[20:20] <tomreyn> eduardo_: it should already be installed if it's a dependency of rhythmbox
[20:20] <tomreyn> eduardo_: unless you "tried to uninstall" using dpkg or otherwise removed files.
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: I used ubuntu software center to uninstall it
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i might have some package problems
[20:21] <tomreyn> okay that woulödnt do any harm then
[20:21] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i had some error messages during installation
[20:21] <tomreyn> *that* might
[20:21] <Guest25525> wafflejock, Now It says its using a2dp sink but it isn't making any sound
[20:21] <Guest25525> wafflejock, making me hate ubuntu/linux
[20:21] <gnubug> I also tried "sudo dhclient wlp3s0" but this doesn't help either
[20:22] <tomreyn> eduardo_: ... depending on what these error messages were
[20:22] <eduardo_> tomreyn: that i might have to install some packages manually
[20:22] <Guest25525> wafflejock, And now its working, shoot me
[20:22] <wafflejock> Guest25525, yeah audio in general is a nightmare between alsa pulseaudio and jack things get really confusing really fast then add to that bluetooth and it's a no fun... it's probably my biggest remaining grievance unfortunately I can only complain with you :)
[20:23] <tomreyn> eduardo_: are you comfortable working with a terminal?
[20:23] <elricsfate> If someone would help me with this bug I'd really appreciate it because it's making my Laptop almost unusable
[20:23] <tomreyn> eduardo_: if so, we could try to make sure your installation is complete / up to date.
[20:23] <eduardo_> tomreyn: i'm downloading like 411 mb of archives
[20:23] <elricsfate> My trackpad is an entire flat section with no seperate area for the physical button. In the bottom left and right corner there are physical buttons but the area above it is still part of the sensing area
[20:24] <elricsfate> If I try to click while moving something it almost always causing my mouse to jump around to a completely unpredictable area
[20:24] <tomreyn> eduardo_: what kind of archives? i.e. how does this matter now?
[20:24] <elricsfate> Does anyone know of a possible fix for this issue? I've been trying to find one for days and it's making my Linux experience pretty shitty
[20:25] <eduardo_> tomreyn: how do i make it up to date?
[20:26] <eduardo_> tomreyn: I have worked as a unix system admin
[20:26] <eduardo_> tomreyn: mostly with solaris
[20:26] <tomreyn> eduardo_: oh great, so you are comfortiable with it. so start a terminal, type: apt-get update; apt-get -f install; apt-cache policy
[20:27] <tomreyn> if any errors, show the output of all commands
[20:27] <eduardo_> tomreyn: ok, thanks for your help
[20:27] <tomreyn> using a pastebin
[20:27] <tomreyn> if no errors, add: apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:27] <tomreyn> eduardo_: those apt-get commands need to be run using sudo or as root
[20:28] <tomreyn> i would have more suggestions, yet, but this is a good start
[20:29] <eduardo_> tomreyn: ok I'll see how it works
[20:29] <gnubug> I am not sure, if it is really a dns problem: ping 216.58.213.227 (google) works, but the same IP in firefox not, however 198.168.1.1 (router) works in both cases.
[20:29] <gnubug> Any idea what might be wrong here?
[20:30] <wafflejock> elricsfate, you want to look into xinput it can typically list out all the input devices, from there you can list the device properties then you can update the device properties
[20:30] <singam> hi
[20:30] <singam> guys use www.pazhanji.org to transfer ur files
[20:30] <wafflejock> elricsfate, you may need to reduce the active area on the touchpad or adjust other properties of the xinput to get it to stop doing that... what properties in particular I'm not entirely sure but can search on xinput to get details
[20:32] <wafflejock> elricsfate, once you figure out the xinput property that needs to be set just copy it so you can add it to run when you login
[20:32] <tomreyn> eduardo_: more suggestions: apt-get --purge autoremove; apt-get install apt-show-versions; echo 'Packages which need closer inspection:'; apt-show-versions | grep -Ev '(uptodate|not installed)$'
[20:32] <szb> elricsfate, this might be a place to start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[20:33] <szb> elricsfate, if by any chance you have an ALPS touchpad, try this guy's solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ctFuKmVl4
[20:36] <szb> wildmanron1, did you have any luck? :o
[20:36] <wildmanron1> ok I went and did the Grub deal and it still wont wake up
[20:37] <tomreyn> gnubug: if firefox is unable to access that *ip address* on the default http port then you are either blocked by the remote server, an intermediary (using a proxy) or firefox is havine some issue. i would suggest you try wget or curl as well
[20:37] <szb> wildmanron1, oh boy...... Back to the start maybe? A fresh install of 14.04? :/
[20:37] <wildmanron1> i did that last night twice
[20:38] <wildmanron1> still has same problem
[20:39] <wafflejock> gnubug, if you are trying to go by IP the server may not serve unless the request includes the domain name if they have some sort of virtual hosts where the server is looking for the name in the request
[20:39] <wafflejock> gnubug, for the record it does redirect me to google.com with that IP in firefox
[20:40] <szb> wildmanron1, I'm out of guesses, very sorry! :(
[20:41] <keini> hi
[20:41] <gnubug> tomreyn: But why does it work after a fresh reboot? I tried wget 216.58.213.227 it says ... resolving www.google.com ... failed: temporary failure in name resolution...
[20:42] <wafflejock> gnubug, elaborate on doesn't work in firefox? maybe check F12 network panel in there to see what's happening, for me the request for the IP responds with a moved permanently to http://www.google.com/
[20:42] <tomreyn> gnubug: so indeed you have a resoilver issue there. whats your resolvers if you don't mind disclosing them?
[20:42] <zodiac19> ah, so there is a chat for ubuntu users, And I got stuck in the kubuntu chat previously. would someone mind forwarding me to the coffee room/random discussion area
[20:42] <zodiac19> ?
[20:42] <wildmanron1> so i am thinking of trying to change the video card to a diffrent one and reinstalling and see what happens
[20:43] <wafflejock> zodiac19, #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <zodiac19> thank you very much
[20:43] <wafflejock> zodiac19, no prob
[20:43] <wildmanron1> if it still dose it i think that tells me it is a motherboard problem
[20:43] <neredsenvy> Any new news about Unity 8
[20:44] <owen1> I downloaded http://andromouse.com/, chmod 755, and run ./"AndroMouse Server V5.jar -> './AndroMouse Server V5.jar: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error'   any ideas? (java version "1.8.0_101")
[20:44] <szb> wildmanron1, yes, I'm starting to think so too!
[20:44] <szb> neredsenvy, Unity8 will not be the default desktop for 16.10 but you'll be able to install and test-drive it!
[20:45] <wildmanron1> i will post back to you just as soon as i get it changed and reinstall the os again thanks for helping i will let you know keep your eye out for me
[20:45] <neredsenvy> I know that
[20:45] <tomreyn> owen1: use java -jar 'AndroMouse Server V5.jar'
[20:45] <neredsenvy> But no new news about unity 8 for like 2-3 months now
[20:45] <tomreyn> but be sure you know what this software does beforehand, i do not know it
[20:46] <neredsenvy> Was all hype jan-april than nothing
[20:46] <szb> wildmanron1, I might leave soon, but the best of luck to you!
[20:47] <szb> neredsenvy, i don't know what or how much is going on there, but you could check over at #ubuntu-unity
[20:49] <wildmanron1> i will keep my eye out for you but i will post back here to let someone know what happens maybe they can let you know if it worked or not thanks for all your help
[20:51] <gnubug> wafflejock: It says: "Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com. F12 network doesn't show much. Under headings you see "www.google.com" as Host, and there is a 205 ms timing for dns.
[20:51] <cmbn> hi
[20:52] <cmbn> is there a command that will do nothing no matter what arguments you give it?
[20:52] <jacres> hi everyone - does anyone have a link to a good example partitioning scheme for having windows and ubuntu installed to the same SSD, with /home on an HDD (and maybe /var).
[20:52] <gnubug> tomreyn: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. How can I see what my resolvers are?
[20:52] <lordcirth> cmbn, why would you want that?
[20:52] <jacres> I'm coming from Arch
[20:52] <lordcirth> jacres, BIOS or UEFI?
[20:52] <jacres> mainly looking for recommended sizes
[20:53] <jacres> lordcirth: UEFI
[20:53] <jacres> and starting clean ;)
[20:53] <jacres> lordcirth: 250gb SSD, 3TB HDD
[20:54] <wafflejock> gnubug, yeah if nslookup www.google.com works, then the DNS on your system is fine, if wget or curl fails to get a response though then something is wrong either on the device or somewhere between the device and the server
[20:54] <wafflejock> gnubug, if you try with other devices on the network can eliminate things between the network and server
[20:54] <szb> jacres, this one is a little old and for Manjaro, but from what I recall it was quite thorough!
[20:54] <lordcirth> jacres, this seems useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:55] <szb> jacres, whoops, forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616wvkZuco4
[20:55] <owen1> tomreyn: thank you
[20:56] <jacres> szb: great thanks!
[20:56] <minimec> elricsfate: can you once do 'xinput' in a terminal and get the id (id=?) of your pointer device? Then do 'xinput list-props <id-number>' That should give you the proberties of your device. If you are on 16.04 the chance is, that you are using 'libinput'
[20:56] <jacres> lordcirth: thanks, will check that out
[20:56] <gnubug> wafflejock: nslookup www.google.com results in "server can't find www.google.com: REFUSED'
[20:56] <jacres> do you guys have ideas of recommended sizes for the partition?
[20:56] <awer> Hi, im running a pentest and cam across this code. Anyknow what  it is? or at least in what format? http://pastebin.com/LQDSKgrM
[20:57] <jacres> err partitions.. that's my main concern
[20:58] <gnubug> wafflejock: For other boxes in the network everything works, also on my laptop if I reboot it, but after I plug in a LAN cable and plug it out again, it doesn't work anymore. Did you see my initial description of the problem above? If not, I can repost it.
[20:59] <szb> jacres, for the /boot partition, if you want a separate one, I'll always go with at least 256 MB, better 512 MB! This is by far too much (I think around 128 MB is already plenty) but I have run out numerous times when upgrading/swapping kernels and if that happens (at least in Ubuntu) I was told by a developer that you're pretty much done! xD So better safe then sorry! Other than that I don't have any recommendations!
[20:59] <gnubug> Perhaps I could try to manually reset my DNS server. But I don't know how to.
[21:00] <OerHeks> awer, seek help in security or kali channel, this is not a pentesting support channel
[21:00] <jacres> szb: that makes sense - MB's are cheap these days ;)
[21:01] <jacres> szb: what about for /? And would you mount /var from the HDD as well?
[21:01] <jacres> along with /home
[21:01] <awer> OerHeks: ok thanks
[21:02] <bumblefuzz> how to I delete my swap partition?
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> bumblefuzz  you can disable it with swapoff -a
[21:02] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: do "sudo swapoff -a". then remove it from fstab and remove the partition
[21:02] <bumblefuzz> and it'll reclaim the space?
[21:02] <szb> jacres, for root I mostly go with 20-30 GB (way too much for my needs, but again: better safe then sorry ^-^)! To be honest, I never bothered with /var so I don't have an opinion on that!
[21:03] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: what will reclaim the space?
[21:03] <OerHeks> The partitionmanager reclaims it as free 3space, but does nothing with it.3
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> k1l_: right now my SSD shows 983 GB of space with 16 GB of swap... I don't need 16 GB of swap
[21:04] <bumblefuzz> I want that space back
[21:04] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: so what do you want to do with that space? if you delete the parittion there will be just unallocated space
[21:04] <OerHeks> go for it
[21:04] <jacres> szb: great, thanks! I might try and give / 50gb just to be safe
[21:05] <jacres> or is that insane
[21:05] <k1l_> bumblefuzz: if you want to put that space into the system or home partition, then you will need to run a live usb and resize the partitions
[21:05] <lordcirth> jacres, nothing wrong with 50GB.
[21:05] <bumblefuzz> ohhh
[21:05] <szb> jacres, depending on how much software you're going to install it might be anything from 'way too much' to 'barely enough'! :D But it's as good as any number, go ahead!
[21:06] <jacres> ;)
[21:06] <elricsfate> Trying suggestions now, thanks guys
[21:06] <bumblefuzz> ok, well thanks!
[21:06] <lordcirth> jacres, I have / and /home in btrfs subvolumes, 50GB partition total.  But I have a data dir as well.
[21:06] <wafflejock> gnubug, just scrolled back and see what you said now about the LAN cable strange though can try sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart
[21:07] <wafflejock> gnubug, then sudo /etc/init.d/networking force-reload according to askubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/414826/how-to-flush-dns-in-ubuntu-12-04
[21:07] <elricsfate> ⎜   ↳ ELAN0501:00 04F3:3019 Touchpad          	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[21:07] <elricsfate> ⎜   ↳ ELAN0501:00 04F3:3019 Touchpad          	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[21:07] <elricsfate> Sorry for multiline
[21:07] <elricsfate> Doesn't look like it's either kind of touch pad you guys mentioned?
[21:08] <gnubug> wafflejock: there is no dns-clean on my system (I also tried service dns-clean restart)
[21:08] <wafflejock> gnubug, what version of Ubuntu I didn't catch that?
[21:09] <gnubug> 16.04.1 LTS
[21:10] <gnubug> wafflejock: Kernel: 4.4.0-34-generic
[21:10] <jacres> and for a swap, with 16gb ram - 8gb is more than sufficient? and should that be on SSD or best on HDD?
[21:10] <jacres> and PS - thanks for the help ;)
[21:11] <szb> jacres, a rule of thumb is that /swap should be the same size as your ram! But if you're not constantly rendering videos or doing heavy graphics stuff I think that 8GB is more than enough! You'll probably hardly run out of 16GB ram! :)
[21:11] <szb> jacres, thank YOU for letting me pretend I know stuff! :D
[21:12] <jacres> szb: haha! and is SSD preferred for swap? or HDD ok
[21:12] <elricsfate> IS there somewhere I can go to edit the mouse settings graphically?
[21:12] <professor_sadasd> should i add noatime for my ssd?
[21:12] <wafflejock> gnubug, yeah not sure answers all seems to say to install nscd and run it to clear them out (I may have dns-clean because this is an upgraded system or I may have been playing with dnsmasq on my laptop at some point)
[21:12] <minimec> elricsfate: There is an open bug for your device... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-lts-xenial/+bug/1558489
[21:13] <wafflejock> gnubug, can't find any answers that explicitly cover 16.04 though
[21:13] <Rarrikins> jacres: HDD should almost definitely be used. HDDs can handle repeated writes better than SSDs.
[21:13] <szb> jacres, SSD might give you a little quicker startup from hibernate/suspend, but you could use the HDD and thereby minimize the "wear and tear" on your SSD a little! If you really are going to need lots of Swap I think the HDD is almost the only way to go!
[21:14] <elricsfate> Yes, but that isn't my issue minimec
[21:14] <elricsfate> My issue is in regards to how the touchpad behaves, not that it isn't working,
[21:15] <Bray90820> Is the desktop version of ubuntuu EFI compatible
[21:15] <Bray90820> Specifically this
[21:15] <Bray90820> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[21:15] <gnubug> wafflejock: Maybe I should try that: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/163506/5289
[21:16] <gnubug> wafflejock: I am going to install nscd first...
[21:16] <k1l_> Bray90820: yes. the ubuntu isos do work with efi ootb.
[21:16] <k1l_> Bray90820: (as long as that is not a special 32bit image like its shipped on those microsoft tablets)
[21:16] <k1l_> *32bit uefi, not 32bit image
[21:16] <szb> Bray90820, the 64bit version is UEFI compatible, if I'm not mistaken. The 32bit version is not!
[21:17] <redrighthand> Whats the correct tool to use for samba mounting? smbmount or cifs?
[21:17] <k1l_> well, there is no reason to use 32bit OS on hardware that comes with uefi (so its quite new) anyway
[21:17] <Bray90820> k1l_: It it windows tablet but it's RemixOS compatible
[21:18] <Bray90820> What file on the live USB tigers the system boot
[21:18] <redrighthand> mount -t cifs or smbmount?
[21:19] <k1l_> Bray90820: then you need to look if there is a known way to get a linux running there.
[21:19] <gnubug> wafflejock: dns-clean not found again...
[21:21] <gnubug> wafflejock: At reboot I noticed two red "failed" messages, but it was to fast to read the content of the message. How can I read this messages from the running system again?
[21:21] <minimec> elricsfate: Sorry... I was wrong. There seems to be a workaround... There is a thread on ubuntuusers.de ( german ;) )  hey claim that you have to switch the touchpad from 'advanced' to 'basic'. Then make sure that you are using 'libinput' as driver, not 'synaptics' or 'evdev'. See the following link in the lower third...
[21:21] <wildmanron1> Ok  szb just so youy knw  have to gbuy a new card I thought had a spare one so i will have to wait till i get the new one thanks for your help
[21:21] <minimec> https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/touchpad-ist-stockend-acer-aspire-e5-575g-56gu/#post-8457008
[21:21] <melio> heh
[21:22] <melio> my wife just said to a big ceo at a company "my husband is a FSF member, we know opensource and defend it"
[21:22] <melio> ha. go wife
[21:22] <melio> go linux!
[21:22] <elricsfate> minimec: again, there may be confusion as that isn't actually my issue :)
[21:23] <elricsfate> THank you regardless :)
[21:23] <k1l_> go #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:23] <szb> wildmanron1, haha, oh man, what an odyssey! This HAS to work out in the end! Sending good vibes! :D
[21:23] <melio> k1l_, GO ubuntu no one told me there was an offopic channel ;) thanks
[21:24] <OerHeks> or #ubuntu-discuss
[21:24] <minimec> elricsfate: Oh... I see now. I was indeed mixing two problems...
[21:25] <wildmanron1> Thanks bud i will try to post a let you note here when i get r done
[21:25] <wafflejock> gnubug, journalctl -b0, but very strange, by default there isn't dns caching that I'm aware of but nscd will do it and dnsmasq apparently has some caching
[21:26] <OerHeks> gnubug, is this bare metal or a VM??
[21:26] <bipul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23086352/ What is the difference between 5 to 11 user groups mask and other field from 13 to 18 default user,group,mask and other field?
[21:28] <OerHeks> bipul, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man5/acl.5.html
[21:29] <OerHeks> really helpfull for your homework
[21:29] <bipul> Thanks
[21:31] <tomreyn> gnubug: what's the output of: ls -la /etc/resolv.conf ; cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:31] <gnubug> DerHeks: This is bare metal. I should add that I configured wifi via wpa_supplicant conf and /etc/interfaces by checking journalctl -b0 I just noted that network-manager is installed but it shouldn't I will try to purge it...
[21:32] <wafflejock> elricsfate, how far did you get here you listed the input devices right? did you list the properties? typically have had more luck with using xinput directly rather than trying to use GUIs for this kind of thing
[21:33] <tomreyn> i guess you just found the root cause, combined with possibly incorrect resolvers (AKA caching name servers).
[21:34] <gnubug> tomreyn: resolv.conf links to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and contains nameserver 127.0.0.1 and search zyxel.com (the manufacturer of my router)
[21:34] <tomreyn> doh they ship that a sa search domain, naughty
[21:35] <tomreyn> but the 127.0.0.1 bit is fine as loing as you have dnsmasq running with the default configuration, which wou would get with network manager
[21:36] <OerHeks> see if that device is supported by openwrt or something
[21:37] <gnubug> dnsmasq is not installed. What does it do?
[21:37] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dnsmasq
[21:39] <tomreyn> if you have installed a caching resolver on your computer that would work, too
[21:39] <tomreyn> well whether or not it's caching really.
[21:41] <aryell> I know it is probably asked to death this question, but do you absolutly need the preallocated space on the ext4 partitions that is default made at installation
[21:41] <aryell> ?
[21:42] <k1l_> aryell: you mean the 5% reserve for root and backup inodes?
[21:42] <aryell> currently I;m at 1.5% for a fully partitioned 2 in number with a 320 hdd
[21:43] <on2pk> Hey guys.  I'm kinda wondering, is there a way to decouple displaylink and dvi providers?  I want to be able to use a USB monitor without a regular monitor also plugged in
[21:43] <aryell> i think that is it but linux ubuntu mate 16.04 selects it at lower then 5% for this time around
[21:43] <k1l_> aryell: i would keep that at that state. so you can access your system in recovery when its gone full accidently.
[21:44] <lordcirth> Probably because storage is bigger now
[21:44] <congiun> can someone help me a little
[21:44] <congiun> i have an issue
[21:44] <aryell> ok so root partion i should not touch with tune2fs
[21:45] <k1l_> yeah, 5% is too much today (5% from 1TB :/ ). but you need some reserve
[21:45] <aryell> is it the same with the home partition ?
[21:45] <k1l_> for plain media disks that is not needed
[21:45] <tripelb> aryell: k1l_ lordcirth here I  lurking and trying to learn and I cannot see who.what you are referring to...
[21:45] <gnubug> Since I purged network-manager I don't have wifi at all (on the fresh system I configured it via wpa_supplicant and /etc/interfaces, since some time later I installed gnome which also installed network-manager. Now I purged network manager and also gnome)
[21:45] <tripelb> oh further back. duh.
[21:45] <gnubug> After fresh install int also worked without dnsmasq
[21:45] <lordcirth> tripelb, the people who are talking about the same thing we are :)
[21:49] <aryell> it;s not really a problem right now but in 2 months I am going to get a 4TB hdd and partion it gpt with one ext4 partion and that allocation I think is going to kill me considering that it will not be a home partition but a simple storage drive automounted and shoftlinked to the home wich i allready have
[21:50] <aryell> I;m asking if i should tone it down to 0% for that drive only
[21:50] <aryell> tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdx1 and so forth
[21:51] <aryell> it;s a single user pc so no other admins here :p
[21:52] <k1l_> aryell: as i said, for plain data parititons that is not needed
[21:52] <aryell> ok got it
[21:52] <aryell> thank you for the info
[21:53] <gnubug> wafflejock: I think now I was to fast by purging gnome and network-manager, now it doesn't even get LAN...
[21:56] <gnubug> Also wpasupplicant and iptables is gone... I guess I have to download the packages manually from my other box and install them with gdebi or dpkg... But what are the essential network packages I need?
[22:00] <gnubug>  What a mess. Any ideas of how to get my network back?
[22:04] <OerHeks> gnubug, with your purge action ? download the files and transfer them with usb to that machine, or reinstall.
[22:04] <OerHeks> !offline
[22:04] <OerHeks> and softwarecenter got that option too
[22:06] <elspru> hey guys, I tried to install proprietary nvidia drivers and it broke my installation, is there a way I can fix it?
[22:06] <elspru> it overwrote something in the uefi, set up some kind of shim. I tried uninstalling, but it seems the shim or w/e is still tehere..
[22:06] <lordcirth> elspru, did you install from a package or manually?
[22:06] <elspru> from a package
[22:07] <elspru> I'm wondering if there might be a way of updating the uefi image so it doesn't use the proprietary stuff
[22:07] <lordcirth> elspru, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:08] <elspru> lordcirth: thanks I'll try that
[22:10] <energizer> I can't scroll in terminal. When I try, it just prints 64;38;44M
[22:12] <gnubug> DerHeks: I just found the apt log file and try to reinstall the relevant packages via usb... will take some minutes...
[22:22] <iGoblin> l
[22:24] <gnubug> Ok, wifi is back, but no LAN
[22:25] <minimec> energizer: Do you use any software that can map mouse events as keyboard shortcuts? I had such a problem once with the 'imwheel' software.
[22:26] <energizer> minimec: not that im aware of
[22:26] <energizer> even when i click in the terminal it prints some characters like that
[22:33] <ente_> My ubuntu is running on a fully encrypted ssd. I received the error while booting: "alloc magic is broken". Now I am trying to fix it like suggested in (1). However I get the error "mount: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: can't read superblock". Is may ssd broken or does anyone have a hint what I should do/try?
[22:33] <minimec> energizer: Just came to my mind... I had the same problem with the terminal in combintation with 'imwheel'. I mapped PageUp/Down to the scrollwheel, to be able to scroll with the mouse, when using the irrsi chat software.
[22:33] <ente_> (1) https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2076908&p=12321359#post12321359
[22:33] <logical> Hi Is this chat also oriented for ubuntu mate?
[22:33] <gnubug> DerHeks, tomreyn, wafflejock: Here is the log of the purge action: http://pastebin.com/JswZ839T, I reinstalled via usb the packages whois, finger, iptables, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant and iputils-tracepath. This makes wifi work again, but LAN doesn't work. ifconfig even doesn't show up an lan interface.
[22:33] <k1l_> logical: general ubuntu help.
[22:34] <k1l_> logical: there is #ubuntu-mate but you can ask here, too
[22:35] <gnubug> What package is missing to make LAN work again?
[22:37] <logical> k1l_ thank you
[22:37] <gnubug> Wait, ifconfig -a shows an ethernet interface but ifconfig doesn't
[22:38] <bekks> Sure.
[22:39] <bekks> ifconfig shows interfaces that are up only, while -a shows all interfaces.
[22:39] <gnubug> ifup enp0s25 says: "Unknown interface enp0s25"
[22:39] <bekks> All you need to do is configuring an interface.
[22:39] <bekks> Pastebin "ifconfig -a" please.
[22:39] <bekks> Or screenshot it.
[22:42] <ente_> Does ubuntu have a tool to check if a SSD, which is not mountable, is broken?
[22:42] <bekks> What is the problem behind your question?
[22:42] <gnubug> http://pastebin.com/2mjmkASa
[22:43] <k1l_> ente_: what is the error when mounting? can you show the dmesg?
[22:43] <bekks> gnubug: ifup works for interfaces that have configuration in whatever config file only. You need either do that, or manually configure that interface.
[22:43] <logical> Hi, I know this is not a question for this chat but no one answers me on the #ubuntu-mate chat,  is it possible to open the applications tab, by pressing the windows key?
[22:44] <ente_> k1l_: dmesg | tail: http://pastebin.com/xbQPUcqN
[22:44] <k1l_> ente_: uh. you might want to look at smartmontools
[22:45] <gnubug> bekks: I will check my /etc/networking/interfaces...
[22:45] <bekks> ente_: either cabling is broken or the disk is broken.
[22:46] <ente_> bekks: no need for further checks (except the cable I will check)?
[22:46] <bekks> ente_: line 8 indicates that your disk is broken, severely. Replace the disk.
[22:46] <bekks> ente_: No need for further analysis after reading line 8 from your pastebin.
[22:48] <ente_> bekks: :( - at least my ssd only contains the system stuff. :)
[22:58] <Bray90820> Is it possible to boot ubuntu live usb from grub
[22:58] <gnubug> bekks: Indeed there was a line missing. I added an entry (dhcp) for this interface and now LAN works
[23:02] <gnubug> bekks: Now however I have an issue when switching from LAN to WLAN and back. For example if I unplug the ethernet cable the wifi connection doesn't work anymore (seems to use the wrong ip from the ethernet in my case the etnernet ip was 192.168.1.34 and the wifi ip 192.168.1.33 pinging an ip address says "From 192.168.1.34 ... Destination Host Unreachable"
[23:03] <gnubug> How can I make switching between wifi and ethernet work? Any suggestion? If you want I can pastebin my interfaces file.
[23:04] <bekks> gnubug: if you want that to be working, you need both interfaces to be controlled by networkmanager.
[23:05] <gnubug> is there no way to configure this manually?
[23:05] <OerHeks> you have an option in networkmanager to do that
[23:06] <OerHeks> just dhcp, or ip, or both and more
[23:07] <gnubug> just using /etc/.../interfaces and wpasupplicant maybe guessnet or something like that
[23:08] <root1_> hello mate
[23:11] <Bray90820> Is it possible to boot ubuntu live without using an external device because all I have is a micro USB port
[23:11] <rypervenche> Bray90820: It is possible, yes.
[23:12] <Bray90820> rypervenche: How would I go about it
[23:12] <Bray90820> Actually it would also work if I could boot the live usb from grub
[23:14] <rypervenche> Bray90820: You can put the ISO somewhere and have it mount via a loop device.
[23:15] <Bray90820> rypervenche: Note all I can boot right now is windows 10
[23:15] <Bray90820> well windows 10 and grub
[23:15] <rypervenche> Bray90820: It would be a lot easier to get a USB converter.
[23:16] <Bray90820> rypervenche: I actually have an on the go cable but the tablet won't allow me to boot from usb
[23:20] <Keitaro> someone know why after a few minutes when i want to install ubuntu dual boot its block?
[23:20] <Keitaro> it is on a asus
[23:20] <Keitaro> laptop
[23:29] <gnubug> Thanks all!
[23:56] <daemon55> does anybody know how to stop my laptop from freezing?
[23:57] <LordLaravel> take it out of the freezer,