tsimonq2hey clivejo and Clifford , when do you plan on applying to become a Kubuntu Developer? :P00:24
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Clifford ^00:24
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Clifford and clivejo are the same00:53
tsimonq2ik ahoneybun 00:53
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Since you know PyQt go fix the slideshow @tsimonq200:54
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> Mm my screen locker is broken01:02
ahoneybunyofel: I see screenshots of Linux Mint 18 using a Qt UI for their installer01:42
ahoneybunso they must have fixed it or are going it hit it too01:42
tsimonq2wooooooah so many merge failures02:03
tsimonq2ATTENTION NINJAS AND YOFEL! I'm rebuilding mgmt_merger because I believe that retries all the mergers. A lot of them are failing because of errors I'm fixing by rebuilding, so a global rebuild is just easier. Either way, I don't think it hurts. ;)02:52
tsimonq2This is to make it clear that my above message was not a KCI output.02:54
valoriefun colors, tsimonq202:54
tsimonq2valorie: well I do that when I want to get the attention of some people who are grepping logs02:56
tsimonq2valorie: see what I mean? :P ^02:57
tsimonq2oh that's great...03:13
tsimonq2screen of red...03:13
valorieworked for the first few.....03:19
tsimonq2valorie: tooling seems broken but nobody's touched it lately according to the Git history...03:20
tsimonq2yofel: so the tooling is broken I think? ^03:25
tsimonq2ooh what's this? :P03:32
tsimonq2one more try on mgmt_merger just in case04:47
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acheronuktsimonq2: WTF?06:18
tsimonq2acheronuk: you talking about how broke KCI is or did I mess up?06:19
tsimonq2yeah it's BROKEN06:19
* acheronuk goes for coffee06:20
acheronuknot sure if that is the tooling or the slave06:43
acheronuklooks to me as if the linode node is the one where the errors are happening06:46
blazelp is smart06:49
blazefound me among the contributors to qupzilla and added to the actual project06:49
tsimonq2yofel: turn it off and on again so it can fix itself :P06:52
tsimonq2acheronuk: maybe this is relevant? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker_cleanup_amd64/06:57
tsimonq2that was disabled06:57
tsimonq2I think06:57
tsimonq2because it seems that went every two hours06:57
tsimonq2or anm I wrong here?06:58
tsimonq2well I'm wrong on the timing but still06:58
acheronukyou just triggered that, but failed on lindode?07:01
tsimonq2same critical error07:01
acheronukResponse time: Time out for last 2 try07:04
tsimonq2so Linode is crapping out07:04
acheronuknot sure if symptom, cause, or neither07:04
tsimonq2acheronuk: like I said, all yofel needs to do is turn it off and on again :P07:05
acheronukor maybe that container at least07:05
tsimonq2acheronuk: do you have access?07:06
acheronukno, and I wouldn't mess with it if I had to be honest07:06
tsimonq2clivejo, yofel: KCI is broken, flag07:07
tsimonq2get it acheronuk? red flag? :D07:07
* acheronuk groans07:08
blazetsimonq2: couldn't sitter help with that?07:13
acheronukshould it be linode rather than anything else, then I don't think he would have access07:16
tsimonq2ok I'm up too late, I NEED to go to bed, o/07:19
yofelacheronuk: I think everything needs a reset. There's errors on the slaves, but mgmt_merger only runs on master, I got a stacktrace trying to log in, ...07:25
acheronukI was looking at those errors rather than that master job, but yes, none of it seems very happy!07:27
yofellets try to just go with a CI reset07:30
yofelFWIW, clivejo has the same permissions as I do if this ever happens again and I'm gone07:31
acheronukNoted. I saw he was on the ci-admins on LP07:33
* clivejo is broken too07:37
* soee fixes clivejo with his magic toolbox07:41
* clivejo thinks jenkins must run on windows07:47
yofelwell, it's java so that should be fairly easy to set up ^^07:49
yofeljavax.servlet.ServletException: org.openid4java.discovery.DiscoveryException: 0x704: Failed to discover XRDS document from https://login.launchpad.net/+id/f6PQhez07:51
yofelagain o.O07:51
yofelok, let me reboot the whole thing and hope it'll boot back up07:52
yofelwow, I can barely use ssh on that box07:56
yofelthe network connection feels horrible, but it seems to work overall for now08:13
kfunkhad any problems packaging kdevelop 5.0? I'm curious08:14
acheronukkfunk: not sure if anyone has tried. blaze already had daily builds in his ppa, and Neon's JR said it was building om their CI last night. so I guess between those 2 most heavy lifting for debian packaging is handled?08:19
clivejoyofel: did you get that updated package in my PPA?08:27
yofelnot yet08:27
clivejolooks like studio fixed theirs08:28
clivejoyofel: what do I need to look at if I wanted to go for kubuntu-dev? 08:32
* acheronuk is pleased clivejo is seriously thinking about applying for dev :)08:38
clivejodont think Im ready08:38
yofellet me postpone that discussion to lunch, busy right now08:38
clivejobut maybe I could study up on the areas Im weak on08:39
clivejoyofel: no problem08:39
acheronukthat's better. I hope08:54
clivejooh dear08:55
yofelI *think* launchpad is having issues?09:03
clivejoshock horror09:04
tsimonq2it's too late, screw it, I'm staying up09:12
tsimonq2clivejo: so you basically admitted you're ready for the hour of torture I keep hearing about? :D09:15
clivejoIm *thinking* about it09:15
yofelyou could read the old meeting logs, that's usually pretty informative09:15
tsimonq2yofel: *I* struggled to find those09:16
yofellook at when people got added to ~kubuntu-dev, then look for IRC logs of here or #ubuntu-meeting of that day09:16
acheronukAaron Honeycutt 2016-08-0109:20
tsimonq2I didn't know he did dev stuff09:20
yofelahoneybun: uhm.... did you press a wrong button? ^09:21
acheronukI was wondering....09:22
acheronukI will learn from the logs of clivejo's meeting ;D09:23
tsimonq2me too :P09:24
yofelI was so generous to kick him out :P09:24
tsimonq2acheronuk: I wonder if I catch up enough so your torture hour is before mine, so it's like a two hour thing, maybe we can secretly plot for that to happen :P09:25
yofeloh wow, even nixternal is still on the team09:25
* yofel wonders what he's doing these days09:25
acheronuklol. make scarlett the next newest09:25
acheronuktsimonq2: you never know. one thing at a time for me09:26
yofelwell, clive has the head start here as he's a kubuntu member already, you both need to get that done first ;)09:27
tsimonq2acheronuk: again man, we should plan for the same meeting to torture everyone else ;)09:28
acheronukyofel: exactly. one thing at a time. and I *know* there are several roadblocks in my knowledge besides. and that is just the things I know of!09:28
tsimonq2well all I know is that symbols suck and I need to brush up on my C++ :P09:29
acheronuktsimonq2: ditto09:29
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> hey @Sick_Rimmit we need a ninja dojo session with clivejo and yofel :P09:30
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> to teach us C++ and how to properly update symbols :P09:31
yofel*technically*, knowing c++ is not a requirement for ~kubuntu-dev. Knowing how symbol management works is though. So as long as you know the dpkg technicalities and basic linux shared object workings, you're good09:31
* tsimonq2 rewrites everything in Python :P09:32
acheronukyofel: well trying to work out where/why some of the akonadi symbols had gone missing, did show up I need to do some more C++09:32
acheronuknot enough to be an uber expert coder, but a bit more targeted reading up on some things09:33
tsimonq2I would at least like to know the Qt libraries09:34
acheronukok. bbl. stuff to do :/09:34
tsimonq2o/ acheronuk 09:34
yofelclivejo: hm, that kubuntu-meta update is correct regarding the meta contents, but the changelog is rubbish o.O09:35
yofelbut why..09:35
tsimonq2kubuntu-meta (1.342) yakkety; urgency=medium09:36
tsimonq2  * Refreshed dependencies09:36
tsimonq2  * Added packagekit to desktop-recommends09:36
tsimonq2 -- Adam Conrad <adconrad@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:01:58 -060009:36
tsimonq2I don't see what's bad about that?09:36
tsimonq2but I haven't read the diff...09:36
yofelno, I mean 1.343 which will remove okular09:36
tsimonq2where's that at?09:37
yofelbut it removed it from all archs, then wrote "[arm64 armhf ppc64el]" in the changelog...09:37
yofelgerminate is weird09:37
yofelclive's ppa, and in the archive in a minute09:37
tsimonq2yofel: why did you abort things? :O09:38
yofelbecause I wanted to reset things09:39
tsimonq2yofel: is debian-revision-should-not-be-zero a KCI error or Lintian?09:40
yofelsounds like lintian, someone uploaded a "3.0 (quilt)" package with a native version?09:40
tsimonq2yofel: no that's on EVERY package in KCI09:41
yofeluh, o.O09:42
tsimonq2look for yourself09:42
yofeltsimonq2: I don't see it? example please09:43
tsimonq2yofel: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/280396680/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.cervisia_4%3A16.04.3+p16.10+git20160822.1857-0_BUILDING.txt.gz09:44
tsimonq2E: cervisia source: debian-revision-should-not-be-zero 4:16.04.3+p16.10+git20160822.1857-009:44
tsimonq2W: cervisia source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.6 (current is 3.9.8)09:44
tsimonq2E: cervisia: debian-revision-should-not-be-zero 4:16.04.3+p16.10+git20160822.1857-009:44
tsimonq2E: cervisia: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_cvsaskpass.so09:44
tsimonq2E: cvsservice: debian-revision-should-not-be-zero 4:16.04.3+p16.10+git20160822.1857-009:44
tsimonq2W: cvsservice: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/cvsservice509:44
tsimonq2E: cvsservice: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_cvsservice.so09:44
tsimonq2N: 5 tags overridden (5 warnings)09:44
yofelah, kci ignores those I believe09:46
tsimonq2but it's still very annoying in the build log :P09:46
tsimonq2can it not upload -1 instead of -0?09:46
yofelwell, you shouldn't read that for lintian warnings, you should read http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_cervisia/lastFailedBuild/parsed_console/09:46
tsimonq2yofel: where did you find this?!?!?!? :O09:47
tsimonq2acheronuk: did you know about this? ^09:47
tsimonq2that's amazing09:47
yofelgo to a build -> click on parsed console output at the left09:47
tsimonq2yofel: speaking of that, package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger ?09:48
yofelfalse positive, question is what the proper fix is.09:48
tsimonq2how did you tell it was a false positive?09:49
yofelthose are kdeinit plugins, which don't need to be callable as regular libs as they're not actually linked to by anything. ldconfig ignores them by default as they're unversioned and throws that warning because it cannot determine what to do09:50
tsimonq2so what do you do about it?09:51
yofeltechnically, those should not be in the public lib path, not sure why they are09:51
yofelIMO, just override the warning, it'll work fine09:51
yofelhm... we did have a dh_movelibkdeinit for kde4 in the past09:51
yofelsomething to think about, but I have to leave for now09:52
acheronuktsimonq2: yes, I did know about that09:52
acheronuktsimonq2: I assumed you did, but obviously not09:56
tsimonq2oh ffs... I want to get stuff done!10:00
tsimonq2why do I have to wait for this stupid build queue...10:00
acheronukI know. I know10:03
tsimonq2finally! I reached the end of the dependency tree!10:03
tsimonq2now I get to watch it slowly get to the code I just pushed :/10:03
tsimonq27 different jobs stacked :/10:04
acheronukLP taking forever to publish really does NOT help10:05
tsimonq2and of course, LP is the cause of my pain and suffering once again10:05
tsimonq2acheronuk: I asked on #launchpad recently about this. Someone's working on better parallel publisher support, but there's no artificial buffer. Launchpad literally has that queue size...10:06
acheronukyes, cjwatson basically said the same to me10:07
tsimonq2yeah that's the guy I talked to 10:07
tsimonq2it's a pita10:07
* acheronuk wishes for another 4/5 nodes on linode so can have our own build farm10:08
tsimonq2acheronuk: if in another couple months we don't see progress, we should get our own package building farm, that would really help10:09
acheronukstart saving your pocket money, or find us some sponsors with pockets big enough10:10
tsimonq2hehehehe :)10:12
acheronukNeon seems a fair bit slower on actual builds than LP builders, but they don't have these wait times AFAIK10:14
blazeunfortunately I did not managed to get qupzilla working with acheronuk's qtwebengine :(10:20
blazeeven after rebuild10:21
acheronukblaze: something wrong with it? not my actual packaging on that10:22
blazeacheronuk: it seems so10:23
yofelyou don't need particulary big pockets for a build server, a reasonable one would be e.g. a scaleway C2L node, which is like 24€/month10:25
acheronukblaze: what is wrong?10:25
yofelthe question is more the technical side. Go with neon approach and have no way to manually upload something, or setup debile or wanna-build as a build scheduler10:26
tsimonq2yofel: what is the most efficient way to test KCI against a new Qt version?10:26
blazeacheronuk: it looks like QWebView is not starting, idk why, no error messages10:26
yofelupload a new Qt to the PPA10:26
yofelor go the ugly way and add another PPA as a dep10:27
acheronuktsimonq2: did you build any more of Qt 5.7?10:27
acheronukblaze: just trying to build here. how to test that?10:28
tsimonq2acheronuk: no, I never finished and tbh I got distracted10:28
tsimonq2yofel: would you be able to create a ninja PPA for that? we would all upload, then when all uploaded, add the PPA as a dep and work to solve all the errors that arise just by the new Qt version. Then, when that's done, someone copies those packages over. Or, would you rather I get all the Qt packages good to go and just copy over with no testing?10:30
tsimonq2your choice :)10:30
acheronukblaze: ooh. flash flash and nothing much happens. I see10:30
blazeacheronuk: exactly10:30
acheronuktsimonq2: you did QtWebEngine. any ideas?10:31
tsimonq2acheronuk: I worked on the debian dir not the rest of the code10:31
acheronukI know, just you might know if there have been any fixes discussed about it, either in upstream changes they might need to add, or in the packaging10:33
* tsimonq2 shrugs10:34
acheronukI thought unlikely, but had to ask10:35
acheronukblaze: If I can summon up the motivation, I'll maybe try compiling it in a Neon VM with whatever c=version they have10:36
acheronukbit at the moment I clearly can't even type :P ^^^^^10:37
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> /me wonders why yofel kicked me our of devs11:10
yofelbecause you are not one?11:10
yofelthat is not a free-for-all team11:10
tsimonq2yofel: so...what do I do about Qt 5.7?11:11
ahoneybunthis is true11:12
yofeltsimonq2: preferably take what's in debian experimental and try to build that in yakkety, otherwise try to use what neon has11:13
yofelahoneybun: that's why even the council is only an indirect owner of the team, so that the coucil members themselves don't count as members11:14
tsimonq2yofel: but I mean where?11:15
tsimonq2yofel: what should I do?11:15
yofeltsimonq2: put it in a ppa of yours, and it everything looks good sync it to the CI11:15
tsimonq2yofel: because this will likely happen within an hour or two, is it worth doing a global rebuild to pick up the changes or would you rather wait for the nightly?11:18
acheronuktsimonq2: what will happen in an hr or so?11:19
yofelI really doubt that you'll get Qt done within an hour or two, but feel free to do a global rebuild11:19
tsimonq2acheronuk: Qt 5.7 sync from experimental11:19
acheronuktsimonq2: not a hope in hell. the bootstrap and then rebuilds takes best part of a day, if LP is not slow11:20
* ahoneybun dislikes the screen locker being broke11:20
yofelahoneybun: where?11:20
yofelthat should like, never happen11:21
tsimonq2acheronuk: worth trying right? :P11:21
ahoneybunoh yakkety11:21
ahoneybunno clue why11:21
acheronuktsimonq2: do it, but be prepared for much waiting11:21
tsimonq2ok acheronuk :)11:21
yofelcan I go on vacation until academy and not care about broken software? yes?11:21
acheronukmy screenlocker on YY is just fine11:22
tsimonq2idk yofel :P11:22
ahoneybuntells me to go to ctrl + alt+ f2 and use loginctl unlock-sessions11:22
yofelright, that means it crashed11:23
acheronukahoneybun: I had that on and off switching session with 5.6.511:24
ahoneybunit just happend with its been 5 mins so it locks up11:24
acheronuk5.7.x has been ok so far....11:24
ahoneybunalso I have a okular update coming11:25
acheronukokular is to just try to stop a build problem on the iso11:25
ahoneybunso it's safe?11:26
acheronukit wanting the old kde4 kactivities messed up the iso build, so yes, 'should' be safe11:27
ahoneybunyofel: I've turned off locking for now11:28
yofelokular will be from the PPA11:29
yofelthere was no archive upload for okular11:29
acheronukI don't tend to bother with locking nowadays, but it's a hard habit to break11:29
ahoneybunwell by default it does11:29
acheronukoh, yes it does11:30
BluesKajHowdy all11:30
acheronukahoneybun: I've never really left that to the system. I used to work somewhere where leaving your workstation unlocked was a serious disciplinary offence.11:31
tsimonq2o/ BluesKaj 11:31
* yofel also needs a lock screen at work - it's not considered an offense, but there are things like unlocked ssh keys etc.11:33
BluesKajhey tsimonq211:33
clivejoahoneybun: what version of plasma have you installed?11:39
clivejoslhk: o/12:32
clivejowould you mind joining #kde-neon ?12:33
tsimonq2yofel, clivejo, acheronuk: I'll get some spare testing done but otherwise Beta 1 needs testing!13:06
yofelright, go ahead and get lubuntu done at least13:07
tsimonq2that's my #1 priority13:07
tsimonq2don't you guys have a !testers thing? I thought I saw that once here...13:07
* tsimonq2 is scred to ping all sorts of people :P13:07
yofelwe do, but we have no images13:07
tsimonq2yofel: I sort of forgot, what did kubuntu_stable do and why is it disabled?13:19
yofelmeh, our seed is still busted, thanks to kde-runtime13:21
yofeltsimonq2: packaging for the kde bugfix branches (for apps and plasma)13:21
yofelbut the CI tooling has no way to determine what the correct upstream bugfix branch name is right now13:22
yofelso disabled until that's fixed13:22
tsimonq2yofel: ...isn't that a simple fix?13:22
yofelnot if you have to rewrite code in a couple places :P13:22
yofelbecause the current logic relies on a branch namespace that we don't have on launchpad13:23
tsimonq2I would help but I suck at Ruby13:23
tsimonq2just like Ruby :P13:24
yofeleveryone here does, that's the problem -.-13:24
yofelmaybe I should really start and rewrite that in java13:25
tsimonq2yofel: I'll do most of the work if it's in Python :P13:29
tsimonq2I LOATH Java13:29
yofelwell, then propose another language that has a compiler, which disqualifies python13:30
yofelwe could go with rust? seems to be fancy right now13:30
tsimonq2I don't know Rust13:30
tsimonq2yofel: why does it have to use a compiler?13:31
yofelI only went for java because of jenkins anyway13:31
tsimonq2compilers are slow :/13:31
yofeltsimonq2: so I can actually rely on stuff at least executing without me having to write an extensive testsuite?13:31
tsimonq2yofel: correct, if I'm understanding you correctly13:31
tsimonq2I can help you write unit tests if you want, it will certainly help with making sure it's always stable :P13:32
yofelwe have those in ruby, just unmaintained. Which is why I see little point in replacing one script language with another one13:33
tsimonq2Python is very easy for beginners13:33
yofelas is java13:33
tsimonq2no it isn't13:33
tsimonq2I'm a beginner in Java and it's harder than Python :P13:34
tsimonq2I know very little13:34
tsimonq2but I enjoy Python because it's very flexible13:34
tsimonq2yofel: https://twitter.com/notnownikki/status/76780678563798220813:34
yofelright, it's a matter of opinion. I personally know java better than python, and I don't really like the way python does OO markups13:35
mamarleyIt depends on with which other languages you are familiar.  If you have experience in other C-like languages, Java might be easier.  If all your experience is in C-like languages, the syntax of Python can be extremely difficult to understand.13:35
yofellets go with... D?13:35
* yofel throws special characters at soee13:37
tsimonq2don't get me started on Perl :P13:37
mamarleyIn my opinion, Perl is a write-only language. :)13:38
yofelit is13:38
tsimonq2congrats, we have 270 something items in the build queue and like 3 actually running :/13:39
tsimonq2if yakkety_unstable_ktextwidgets keeps going for another half an hour, I will kill it with a sword13:50
tsimonq2that change that I pushed HOURS ago?13:50
tsimonq2not built yet :/13:50
tsimonq2in fact, all of those are really tempting to just make DIE13:50
tsimonq2well specifically yakkety_unstable_ktextwidgets yakkety_unstable_kbookmarks yakkety_unstable_kio 13:51
tsimonq2then cervisia will FINALLY build13:51
yofelblame the really deep dependency tree13:52
tsimonq2it's disgusting and needs to die. :P13:52
yofeljust be happy that you're working on cervisia, not kdepim :P13:53
tsimonq2or isn't there a way to prioritize this stuff?!?13:53
tsimonq2yeah agreed :P13:53
tsimonq2yofel: dude, can I just kill those three, no code changes, and green13:53
yofelit is prioritized by dependency levels, leaves build last13:53
yofelwell, feel free to, but fix whatever may break afterwards by building with older versions of dependencies13:55
tsimonq2I will13:55
tsimonq2I promise13:55
* yofel went and crippled kactivities 413:56
yofelwhy does that still have to be a thing..13:56
tsimonq2it's building!13:57
tsimonq2yofel: please tell me there's a tool to craft changelog files from scratch...14:06
tsimonq2(as in debian/changelog)14:07
tsimonq2yofel: I packaged QtSpeech and I think it's done except for that14:07
yofeldepends on what you're trying to do, the format is simple enough to write just by hand. Usually I think people start that command that creates the whole packaging template14:08
tsimonq2well I know the syntax14:08
tsimonq2I'm just wondering if theres' an easy way to search the program to generate that file14:09
yofelfrom... what?14:09
yofelif you're doing a scratch upload, people usually just write "Intial upload (Closes: #whatever)/(LP: #whatever)" and are done14:10
tsimonq2OH SHOOT I mean copyright files14:10
tsimonq2any way to generate copyright files programatically?14:10
yofeloh that, not... really... there is licensecheck, and there's helper tools lying around somewhere, but as there is no standard for writing copyright headers, that's a bit tricky14:12
yofelmaybe ask maxy what's he's using14:12
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> clivejo 5.7.2 last time I looked14:17
blazeyou guys should learn... (dramatic pause) Haskell!14:34
yofeluhm, no. just no.14:35
tsimonq2I can't agree more with yofel 14:36
davmor2yofel: I see what you did there you mistook a . for an ! and didn't turn caps on before typing ;)14:38
yofeltrue, I was reading haskell, thinking ocaml, and my brain crashed14:38
tsimonq2well that's 'cause yofel's brain runs on Java14:39
tsimonq2and Java is complicated and hard :P14:39
* tsimonq2 runs14:39
* yofel likes the idea that his brain runs on coffee14:39
tsimonq2hehehehehehehe, you run on coffee AND the convoluted, complicated programming language. EVERYONE WINS! :D14:40
yofelwe could use scala :P14:40
tsimonq2what's that?14:41
yofelanother language that uses the JVM14:41
tsimonq2EEW JVM is slow and terrible14:41
yofelwe already use the jvm for jenkins, so the difference would be negligible14:44
tsimonq2yofel: how good is your C?14:44
yofelI'll agree that jenkins is slow and terrible though :P14:44
yofeltolerable, but do we need to use a language that was only written because the machine it was made for couldn't handle a compiler for a language with more features?14:45
tsimonq2I know, for something unrelated to this14:45
yofelwell, depends on what..14:46
tsimonq2yofel: see #ubuntu-release14:47
yofeloh netcfg, haven't looked at that in a long time ^^14:47
yofelnot while I'm at work, I need to concentrate when reading C14:48
tsimonq2fine fine14:48
tsimonq2yofel: if nobody ends up doing it, when do you get off of work? :D14:48
yofelin ~2h, then dinner, then driving home for an hour, then take care of some thing, look at kactivities again, play some WoW, and then I can look at netcfg if it's not midnight yet14:49
tsimonq2ok lol14:50
tsimonq2yofel: I have to trick infinity into doing it :P14:50
yofelI think he already got tricked :P14:51
tsimonq2hmmm we'll see :P14:51
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tsimonq2yofel: it would be more useful if you pined the actual person who's supposed to be doing that for the release team :P15:07
yofelthanks, I didn't know who that was15:08
tsimonq2yofel: we're the only two flavors left15:26
tsimonq2just an fyi15:26
tsimonq2(Kubuntu images need testing and so do Lubuntu Alternate after a respin)15:26
tsimonq2oh yeah BTW I FIXED CERVISIA! :d15:29
tsimonq2(caps lock)15:30
tsimonq2yofel: Missing build dependencies: libboost-python1.58-dev15:35
tsimonq2libboost-python1.61-dev is in the archive15:36
tsimonq2ohh I see what the problem is15:37
tsimonq2maybe it just needs updating to 1.6115:37
tsimonq2I'll do that and see what decides to break. :P15:37
tsimonq2that was me15:58
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ronnocRiddell: With your blog today about the updated Neon images, does this mean that the stock Neon User Edition iso has both Muon and Discover as standard apps, or just Muon? (Sorry, I don't have an image handy to test atm).17:04
soeemuon on Neon http://i.imgur.com/5NjE68x.png17:43
ubottuHelp is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information17:46
tsimonq2so Kubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 needs testing17:46
tsimonq2go go go! ;)17:47
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tsimonq2that was me17:49
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tsimonq2and me17:49
mparillotsimonq2: We are doing beta?18:16
mparilloI know it has been some days since I had anything to zsync from the ISO.18:16
acheronuknews to me?18:16
* acheronuk goes to lool18:16
tsimonq2yup mparillo 18:25
acheronukis kubuntu wire still a thing?18:32
mparilloKubuntu could always use positive spin. But back on topic. the ISO still works live, with the same minor issues I have had previously. Successfully tested Firefox and Wireless Networking Widget on physical HW. Note that the Kicker Application Launcher favorites are still empty, and the Try/Install dialog was not presented (which I prefer, but does not match the test execution steps).18:32
mparilloacheronuk: Last I checked, it still was there. I think any positive mentions are good. Silence is not good. Rumors of our demise are terrible.18:33
acheronukmparillo: are you testing that on hardware or a VM? last time I tried it skipped to a desktop session in a VM , but not on actual hardware18:34
mparilloIn my test results (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/366/builds/129095/testcases/1303/results) I noted physical HW. I will try with my slooow netbook, becuase on that the dialog did come up.18:36
mparilloBut as I said, it is technically a bug, but I prefer it that way.18:36
acheronukmparillo: I do not disagree. my slight fears about a kubuntu demise are on factor in me choosing to get more involved18:37
acheronuk*one factor18:37
mparilloThat is why I want us to always be in the conversation among the leading KDE distros.18:39
mparilloEnergy flows two ways. From new users to helpers to testers to developers. Then back down again.18:40
zamazan4ik_Hello.there is problem with installing libkf5grantleetheme-dev18:49
zamazan4ik_this library want to delete many other libraries18:49
zamazan4ik_i use kubuntu 16.1018:50
mparilloacheronuk: I updated my test result. On a slow netbook, the dialog is presented.18:54
ahoneybunzamazan4ik_: when did get the iso image>18:54
ahoneybunI would recommend to get the Beta 1 and help test that18:54
blazeramzan4ik: it's because app 16.04.3 did not arrived yet into archive18:57
tsimonq2Kubuntu is bricked19:04
blazetsimonq2: why?19:04
tsimonq2yofel: "Download updates while installing Kubuntu" is unclickable19:04
tsimonq2because it couldn't connect to INTERNET19:05
tsimonq2the terminal text is all jumpy19:09
tsimonq2I can't connect to the internet19:09
blazeramzan4ik: as you can see here in the topic, apps are currently in staging, so you can enable this ppa if you don't care much about stability and just need this stuff to build and test something19:09
tsimonq2weird weird weird19:09
mparilloI downloaded the daily on Saturday to my work windows box. If it were Linux, I would zsync, and if it were not work, I would copy it to a USB, but since it is not. Do you know if the ISO has changed since Saturday?19:12
tsimonq2I have no clue...19:13
acheronukahoneybun: mint won't hit that pyqt5 installer problem until they try to base on yakkety19:16
blazeacheronuk: can't we just get a diff and then create a patch for what's broken?19:19
clivejotwo different versions19:21
clivejothe installer needs porting to Kf519:21
zamazan4ik_ahoneybun: i upgraded from 16.0419:22
clivejozamazan4ik_: have you still got the install?19:22
zamazan4ik_clivejo: install of what?19:24
clivejothe one thats trying to delete everything?19:24
blazeclivejo: do you want his terminal output?19:25
mparilloThe HTTP Download for Beta 1 to my work Windows laptop is way too slow. Since I already have the ISO zsynced on my XX partition, I will just install virtual box there.19:25
clivejono, just trying to establish is adding the apps staging PPA would fix it19:26
blazeclivejo: probably would19:26
clivejoIm using staging apps and its stable for me19:27
blazeso why not to push them into archive?19:30
zamazan4ik_i am sorry for disconnecting19:30
zamazan4ik_so.. now i can't install libkf5grantleetheme-dev?19:31
BluesKajok , about to install Yakkety Beta 1 , wish me luck!19:31
zamazan4ik_BluesKaj: Good luck :)19:31
* ahoneybun is already on YY19:32
clivejoblaze: I cant upload19:32
clivejozamazan4ik_: add the apps-staging ppa and try it19:33
clivejo!info libkf5grantleetheme-dev19:33
ubottulibkf5grantleetheme-dev (source: libkf5grantleetheme): KDE PIM grantlee theme support - devel files. In component universe, is optional. Version 16.04.3-1 (yakkety), package size 6 kB, installed size 47 kB19:33
blazebtw did anybody tried the installer with radeon gcn cards?19:33
clivejooh some apps seem to be there19:34
blaze16.04.3 - that's the reason why it breaks everything19:34
clivejothats got synced from Debian19:36
clivejonew packages which are going to need MOTU19:37
zamazan4ik_clivejo: is it ppa with unstable packages?19:37
clivejoits a PPA with WIP packages which will/should be going into the archive19:38
clivejobut that package is going to cause problems on the beta I think19:40
clivejohas anyone installed from the beta iso?19:40
blazeclivejo: where's the installer repo? can I look into code?20:45
tsimonq2blaze: as in?20:46
clivejoblaze: here I believe - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files20:47
clivejoblaze: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py20:55
clivejoline 59420:56
clivejoit wants to use PyQt4.QtWebKit which Debian have removed and so has Yakkety20:56
clivejoslhk: ping20:59
slhkclivejo: pong! thanks for your mail21:00
blazedoesn't look too hard to port this21:04
blazebut idk how to debug and test it21:04
clivejooh blaze, if you could port that, and getting it looking good, you'd be a life saver!21:05
ahoneybunblaze, you would 21:14
ahoneybunblaze, I've been testing by using LP to build it and load it into a live iso21:14
clivejoblaze are you a coder?21:15
clivejowould you be interested in doing some tutorials on getting people started with coding?21:17
blazenot sure if I can do a good tutorial21:21
clivejohave you seen our big button button server?21:22
clivejosorry, Im so dosed up right now21:23
clivejoId like to learn, but dunno where to start21:24
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> clivejo any language in mind?21:25
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> I have some books in digital form21:26
IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> python mostly21:26
blazeoh, I know a good book21:27
blazefor beginners21:27
blaze"C++ Primer" by B. Moo and others21:27
clivejoI learned a bit of C while studing Minux 3 at uni21:29
clivejobut Ive forgotten it all21:29
clivejovery low level stuff21:30
zamazan4ik_C++ Prata is good book21:33
tsimonq2clivejo: there's no Kubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 as of soon21:38
tsimonq2clivejo: if you ain't tested, you ain't gonna make the cut :)21:39
clivejoI cant test21:42
clivejodont have the internet connection to download all that data21:42
clivejoyou should count yourself lucky you don't live in a 3rd world country21:44
clivejooh thats a nice wee diagram21:56
ahoneybunvalorie: how do I get the ball rolling with the poll for KC?22:17
tsimonq2ahoneybun: so Kubuntu had no Beta 1 release today22:18
ahoneybuntsimonq2: I see? random comment22:20
tsimonq2ahoneybun: there were not enough Kubuntu testers to allow for Kubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 to be released today.22:21
tsimonq2that clear enough for ya? :P22:21
ahoneybunI saw the message22:21
ahoneybunjust thought it was random22:21
* ahoneybun wants valorie to do the poll22:23
tsimonq2ahoneybun: valorie told me she's off IRC until Sep. 10th22:24
tsimonq2so then why are you pinging her?22:24
ahoneybunI;m not pingin her22:24
ahoneybunI just used her name 22:24
ahoneybunand I'm not getting the poll email22:30
ahoneybunof course, spam22:30
ahoneybunwait I have to add the voters one by one?22:31
ahoneybunyofel: around?22:33

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