[08:51] <dasti> hi
[08:54] <alkisg> Hello
[08:55] <dasti> I'm looking for a tutorial to make the live ubuntu mat usb key persistent, any good links ?
[08:56] <alkisg> The usb creator has an option to enable persistence
[08:57] <dasti> strange th version I have here just ask me a source iso and a usb target and that' s it
[08:57] <reptarius> hi i lookin on sometroy1 is he here?
[08:59] <alkisg> dasti, no such option? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/startupdiskcreator.jpg
[09:00] <dasti> it' s definitively not there
[09:00] <dasti> (running ubuntu mate 16.04.1)
[09:01] <alkisg> usb-creator (0.3.0) xenial; urgency=medium  [ Marc Deslauriers ]
[09:01] <alkisg>   * Rework the whole imaging process for writing to devices:    - Use an equivalent of dd to make an exact copy of the image to the device    - This also breaks persistence.
[09:01] <alkisg> ...so yeah you're right, it's not there since usb-creator 0.3.0
[09:01] <alkisg> They probably did that to support both uefi and bios
[09:03] <dasti> I found tutorials on wiki.ubuntu.com but it seems oudated
[09:05] <alkisg> Btw, it's always possible to just do a regular installation in the usb drive
[09:05] <alkisg> And maybe mkusb will work too, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/persistent
[09:11] <dasti> ok thanks for the informations, I' m going to try the install directly on the usb kery :)
[09:11] <reptarius> hi
[09:16] <alkisg> Hello reptarius
[09:17] <reptarius> hello, how are you?
[09:18] <alkisg> I'm fine thank you. Note though that this is a linux support channel, so its topics are restricted to that.
[09:21] <reptarius> okay thanks, but i dont question, i'm loooking of new people's  for my friendlist, i'm a  new user of ubuntu. ^
[09:21] <reptarius> ^^
[09:22] <reptarius> okay, write this ohter, i'm new user of Linux by Ubuntu new
[09:22] <dasti> welcome in the community :)
[09:23] <reptarius> thanks guys ^^
[12:24] <SWAT> I've just installed 16.04.1 and apparantly my ATI cards works fine (with radeon module), but the Intel card doesn't at all. The Intel card gives a black screen only, but exists (since my mouse can move there and it's visible through xrandr). Any advice?
[12:50] <niels__> Hi there! My brandnew laptop with Mate 16.04 doesn't detect the battery. When I type acpi in the terminal, then I get: No support for device type: power_supply. But acpi is installed: #acpi -v gives me: acpi 1.7. I have called for help on ubuntuforums/general help and also on ask.ubuntu at stackexchange. I got Several hundred views, but not a single reply!!! Has anybody an idea?
[13:19] <SWAT> niels__: how 'new' is your laptop? When was the model first released?
[13:32] <waltersraspberry> hello
[13:33] <waltersraspberry> i need help
[13:34] <waltersraspberry> hello i need help
[13:38] <niels__> Hi! I don't know when the model was first released. You can see the details here: https://www.mysn.de/schenker-flex-notebooks/schenker-f516
[13:44] <pavlushka> !help | waltersraspberry
[13:45] <waltersraspberry> how can i start dydns
[13:45] <waltersraspberry> and make telegram on raspberry pi with ubuntu mate
[17:40] <alohm> Hello all. Love Mate. Just ran into my first issue that a search did not easily find.
[17:40] <alohm> where do I go to adjust places links? The downloads link changed to another dir?
[17:40] <alohm> in caja
[17:42] <alkisg> alohm: I think in .config/user-dirs.dirs
[17:42] <alkisg> It's not specific to a file manager, it's the same to all desktop environments afaik
[17:42] <alohm> I will look now
[17:42] <alohm> oh nice ty
[17:46] <alohm> Donne tyvm. Not sure why I didnt see that file in caja but cli found it
[17:46] <alohm> tyvm.
[17:46] <alohm> I found that on google but no file? With your help I looked harder assuming the info was more correct. Thanks again.
[17:47] <alkisg> Ctrl+H in caja enables showing hidden files
[17:47] <alkisg> Files starting with a dot are "hidden" in linux ls and file manager
[17:48] <alohm> I had them shown? Oh well pebkac error lol
[17:48] <alohm> ty again
[17:48] <alkisg> You're welcome; note that you might need to logoff /logon for the change to take effect
[17:48] <alohm> I used cli and ls
[17:49] <alohm> nope immediately effective. and a much better option than addiing bookmarks. that is how it got screwed up by the way
[19:30] <jsum> anyone knows an app or way to password protect hosts file ?
[19:30] <jsum> without encrypting it, so it can function properly
[19:31] <Akuli> ...use a custom hosts file to look up your ip-s? :D
[19:33] <jsum> Well, what I'm looking to achieve is that I will give the password to a family member so I can no longer access it, neither with the password or another way
[19:33] <jsum> Kind of too general question here but glad you responded
[19:34] <Akuli> if someone doesn't have access to the hosts file do you expect him to still be able to run applications that use it?
[19:35] <Akuli> thats obviously not possible
[19:35] <Akuli> also, are you talking about the same hosts file i am talking about=
[19:35] <Akuli> ?
[19:35] <jsum>  /etc/hosts
[19:36] <Akuli> ok so we are
[19:36] <jsum> Let me be more specific, I want to stop me from accessing certain websites
[19:36] <Akuli> without seeing a list of them?
[19:36] <jsum> I will be putting them there myself :P
[19:37] <Akuli> then whats the problem?
[19:37] <Akuli> or do you want to prevent others from seeing the list?
[19:38] <jsum> I will be putting some websites in hosts file that I don't want me to visit ( to control myself ). I want to password protect the hosts file ( someone else will put the password so I don't know )
[19:39] <jsum> and I'm looking for an app or way to do so
[19:39] <Akuli> the only way to do that is with permissions
[19:39] <Akuli> and if your other users can sudo there's no way to do that
[19:39] <jsum> but what prevents me from logging in as root ?
[19:40] <Akuli> nothing
[19:40] <Akuli> as you can see
[19:40] <Akuli> not everyone should be able to sudo
[19:41] <jsum> so I should put another person to change root password so he only knows the password. make a user with root permissions except from that one file and use the new user instead?
[19:42] <Akuli> what do you mean
[19:42] <Akuli> root permissions are like all or nothing
[19:42] <jsum> Indeed :s
[19:42] <Akuli> not like "root permissions except this and that"
[19:42] <jsum> You are correct
[19:43] <Akuli> so your user should not be root
[19:43] <Akuli> let me guess.. you're about to give your child his/her first computer? :D
[19:43] <jsum> hahah no :P
[19:44] <jsum> I'm actually trying to prevent myself from wasting my time
[19:44] <jsum> so I can be more productive
[19:44] <jsum> lack of will :/
[19:44] <Akuli> oh there we go
[19:44] <Akuli> just get a browser addon that allows you to block whatever sites you want
[19:45] <jsum> can I pm you?
[19:45] <Akuli> why?
[19:45] <Akuli> you can if you need to, of course :)
[19:45] <jsum> just not to spam the channel I guess
[19:45] <jsum> kk
[19:46] <Akuli> nobody else needs help here right now, so its not really spamming :)
[19:46] <jsum> Well, then what prevents me from removing the browser plugin ? :P
[19:47] <Akuli> you can't prevent yourself from doing things anyway :)
[19:47] <Akuli> you're root on your computer, you know your stuff
[19:47] <jsum> I see
[19:49] <jsum> thank you mate, I will try and figure something out but it seems I'm limited
[19:49] <Akuli> another option is to set up another computer
[19:49] <Akuli> and access internet through it
[19:50] <Akuli> but you could always just connect to the internet directly instead of through that other computer, or reinstall to get root access..
[19:50] <jsum> yeah :P
[19:50] <jsum> I guess I will take the simpler way then
[19:50] <jsum> and exercise my WILL !
[19:53] <ouroumov_> Yeah, that or renounce admin rights
[19:53] <Akuli> like i said, reinstallation will give them back to him
[19:53] <Akuli> reinstallation
[19:53] <Akuli> lol
[19:54] <ouroumov_> So make reinst too risky.
[19:54] <ouroumov_> BIOS password on laptops.
[19:54] <jsum> and time consuming :P
[19:54] <ouroumov_> Locked boot order.
[19:54] <Akuli> no way to back up files...
[20:00] <netvixtra> I installed ubuntu-mate and gave the computer to my 4-yo
[20:00] <netvixtra> It's still alive.
[20:05] <Akuli> netvixtra, nice to know!
[20:05] <Akuli> i got my first computer at around that age
[20:05] <Akuli> it was an old windows 95 and i used paint and word with it :D
[20:06] <Akuli> netvixtra, if he/she is interested in maths or computers in general, introduce him/her to the awesome world of programming :) he/she will love it
[20:08] <netvixtra> I guess he has to learn basics first..
[20:08] <Akuli> programming really doesn't take much :)
[20:08] <Akuli> a text editor and a terminal
[20:08] <Akuli> ubuntu mate comes with all that
[20:08] <Akuli> or just a terminal to get started
[20:09] <Akuli> i often wish i had found out programming at the age of four :(
[20:09] <Akuli> i found it when i was 15
[20:09] <rahtgaz> But you did. It was called LEGO
[20:09] <jsum> hahah
[20:09] <jsum> :o
[20:10] <Akuli> rahtgaz, i did spend a lot of time with legos
[20:10] <Akuli> and it was fun
[20:10] <rahtgaz> Who hasn't :)
[20:10] <Akuli> but really, programming is not hard
[20:10] <Akuli> open a terminal and type python3, then type: print("Hello world!")
[20:11] <Akuli> you wrote code!:D
[20:12] <Akuli> better yet
[20:12] <Akuli> type 1+2
[20:12] <Akuli> :D
[20:12] <Akuli> 1+2
[20:13] <rahtgaz> exit() also works. It's code too! ;)
[20:13] <Akuli> or just Ctrl+D :) the real thing is sys.exit though
[20:13] <Akuli> you don't want to rely on the site module
[20:14] <Akuli> seriously though, i think a nice way to get him started with programming would be irc
[20:15] <Akuli> if he would come to a beginner-friendly programming channel like "hi im 4 years old" that'd be just awesome :D
[20:16] <rahtgaz> I don't know... I have a different view on that
[20:16] <Akuli> rahtgaz, not #python, definitely not #python
[20:17] <rahtgaz> Programming is awesome and fun. But at the age of 4 I think it shouldn't be up to the parents to start implanting choices on their kids.
[20:17] <Akuli> but netvixtra definitely has a point too
[20:17] <rahtgaz> #python is ok. Why you say that?
[20:17] <Akuli> starting slowly is a great idea, i spent about 2 weeks with print and input when i was getting started
[20:18] <Akuli> rahtgaz, its huge
[20:18] <rahtgaz> oh right
[20:18] <Akuli> its great for advanced people, not for beginners
[20:18] <Akuli> i wonder how young linus was when he started
[20:18] <Akuli> in some interview he mentioned that he was young, but i dont know how young
[20:19] <rahtgaz> I was 15 myself. On a ZXSpectrum
[20:19] <rahtgaz> He was about that age too
[20:19] <Akuli> thinking about this a bit more, you're right
[20:19] <Akuli> 4 years is pretty young..
[20:20] <Akuli> i'd say a nice time is when he has learned basics in math, like multiplication and division
[20:20] <rahtgaz> In our time there weren't computers available at home. In europe it was the ZXSpectrum in the early 80s that started our generation of programmers. and we were in our early to mid teens
[20:20] <Akuli> which operating systems did you work with?
[20:21] <Akuli> unix-likes or ms dos?
[20:22] <rahtgaz> Well, there was no OS. That console has a BASIC interpreter and also allowed for machine code. We had to write directly on metal.
[20:22] <Akuli> ok :)
[20:22] <rahtgaz> MSDOS was a few years away when amstrad started selling the first affordable computers.
[20:23] <Akuli> david beazley has a video where he has connected his old computer running basic to the internet :D
[20:25] <rahtgaz> yah. there's plenty of stuff like that :) There's also large communities around those old systems still. Both the Sinclair ZX Spectrum and the ... for get the name of the USA equivalent at the time
[20:26] <jsum> I'm so glad I've removed windows completely off my system
[20:26] <rahtgaz> you did good jsum
[20:27] <jsum> you guys are awesome :)
[20:27] <rahtgaz> glad you think that. I was about to ask for a loan
[20:28] <jsum> gladly
[20:29] <rahtgaz> oooh!
[20:29] <rahtgaz> ;)
[20:29] <jsum> anything except money though :P
[20:29] <rahtgaz> bah! darn!
[23:29] <mr-robot-oo7> Hello everyone, where can I locate the boot up settings please? Just installed it, been testing it and I notice my laptop is rather running hot fast.
[23:34] <mr-robot-oo7> okay, never mind...Bye
[23:40] <jsum> well that was disappointing
[23:40] <nomic> he waited 10 seconds
[23:41] <nomic> they xpect on irc
[23:41] <nomic> mebbe burned up
[23:42] <nomic> 'running hot'
[23:42] <jsum> hehe