[08:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:35] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper inetpro ambo aquarat drussell ludo pavlushka SilverCode and other lurkers
[08:35]  * pavlushka digging deeper
[08:37] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos
[08:37]  * pavlushka (and burying himself)
[08:37] <Kilos> why
[08:38] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: I'll check about sort and let you know. Need to remember how it works 
[08:38]  * pavlushka (Because Kilos sensed me here) :p
[08:38] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: sure :)
[08:40] <pavlushka> Kilos: ahoy :)
[08:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:09] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: I am getting close, I am following a suggestion inetpro gave me when the Tigers used to smoke cigars :p
[09:09] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: I'll tell you if I achieve 100 success :)
[09:22] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: ok cool :) 
[10:54] <Kilos> where are all the clever peeps
[11:13] <Kilos> paddatrapper you here?
[11:13] <Kilos> theblazehen you?
[12:21] <Kilos> where of where is my fly
[13:02] <jerit> ello squirrels
[13:08] <Kilos> hi jerit 
[13:09] <jerit> you well Kilos?
[13:10] <Kilos> just tired hopefully ty jerit and you
[13:19] <jerit> just tired, hopefully?
[13:42] <Kilos> yip , jerit is it isnt tired then im sick again
[13:43] <Kilos> spend whole day in jozi yesterday and that air aint good
[13:51] <theblazehen> Kilos I'm here
[13:52] <Kilos> sec i cp/paste
[13:52] <Kilos> ive been given a blackberry for my trip to aus
[13:52] <Kilos> [15:51] <Kilos> if i tether it to lappy as a modem will i then be able to use the bb data
[13:53] <Kilos> because i think they give uncapped for R59 
[13:53] <theblazehen> Kilos No :(
[13:53] <Kilos> oh my
[13:53] <Kilos> what data will it use then
[13:53] <theblazehen> It's seperate BIS data, only used by their browser and BBM
[13:54] <theblazehen> so their browser and bbm is free, rest is your normal data plan
[13:54] <theblazehen> or it was like that a few years back
[13:54] <Kilos> all i got it for is for whatsapp to family here
[13:54] <theblazehen> I looked into if there was ways to get it to work with websocket magic, but back then you couldn't as the browser didn't support websockets
[13:56] <Kilos> horrible fone though i have to use 2 pairs of glasses to see the keyboard
[13:56] <Kilos> oh theblazehen 
[13:56] <Kilos> one more thing
[13:56] <Kilos> what if i tether it and its on wifi
[13:57] <theblazehen> If it's on wifi then it should be fine
[13:57] <Kilos> aha
[13:57] <Kilos> something to think about then
[13:58] <Kilos> need to find out if they still want the R59 if you use wifi
[13:58] <Kilos> wbb
[14:00] <theblazehen> ok
[15:28] <bushtech> afternoon all
[15:29] <Kilos> hi bushtech long time no here
[15:29] <Kilos> where you been
[15:29] <bushtech> G'day Kilos
[15:29] <Kilos> you ok?
[15:29] <bushtech> you in Oz?
[15:29] <Kilos> leaving tuesday early am
[15:30] <Kilos> actually flying at 9.45
[15:30] <bushtech> i'm good, up to my neck teaching myself electronics
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <Kilos> i was lucky the gpo paid for my electronics learning
[15:30] <bushtech> thinking of going to 1604. Good idea?
[15:30] <Kilos> but then electronics was very much more basic
[15:31] <Kilos> still buggy but if you dont need fancy things the basics is stable
[15:31] <Kilos> and 16.04.1 is out so many of the patches already in
[15:31] <bushtech> yeah when it gets to the maths involved my eyes glaze over
[15:32] <Kilos> lol
[15:32] <Kilos> but they are still working on many bugs
[15:32] <bushtech> ah ok got some extra data think I'll roll it
[15:33] <Kilos> also superfly and inetpro and a few others are already using 16.04
[15:33] <bushtech> as long as they haven't stuffed up something like network connections
[15:33] <Kilos> ill upgrade next month in aus
[15:34] <Kilos> try checking outstanding bugs before you actually upgrade
[15:34] <Kilos> but you can download it so long
[15:34] <Kilos> wbb pumping water
[15:35] <bushtech> hmm yeah. Unfortunately I don't know if the stuff I get up to rates as fancy
[15:36] <Kilos> haha
[15:36] <Kilos> you use kde?
[15:38] <Kilos> bushtech ^^
[15:39] <bushtech> I use whatever it comes with
[15:39] <Kilos> if you do then there are guys here running it so they would know fixes
[15:39] <Kilos> kubuntu that is
[15:40] <bushtech> spose i'm on gnome
[15:41] <Kilos> havent you got a spare drive to test it on
[15:41] <Kilos> then you would know if any apps you use are buggy before dropping your stable system
[15:42] <Kilos> i am going to upgrade the lappy standard drive first, but keep the ssd on stable till im happy with 16.04
[15:42] <bushtech> hmm just replaced my media drive with a WD Red
[15:42] <Kilos> they come in colours now
[15:43] <Kilos> used to be sizes
[15:43] <Kilos> ?
[15:43] <bushtech> yep 
[15:43] <Kilos> so how big is red?
[15:43] <Kilos> hehe
[15:43] <bushtech> now you need to pick size and colour
[15:43] <Kilos> ai!
[15:43] <bushtech> red comes in all sizes
[15:44] <Kilos> what is the red for them
[15:44] <Kilos> then
[15:44] <bushtech> but recommended for 24/7 NAS
[15:44] <Kilos> i cant google, data min
[15:44] <Kilos> aha
[15:45] <bushtech> and 3 year guarantee
[15:45] <Kilos> thats nice
[15:45] <bushtech> for what its worth
[15:45] <Kilos> cost?
[15:45] <Kilos> my drives are all older than that
[15:45] <bushtech> bushtech scratches head
[15:45] <Kilos> haha
[15:49] <bushtech> 2tb was about R1900
[15:49] <Kilos> eeek
[15:50] <Kilos> thats 20% of the airfare to aus
[15:50] <bushtech> thats why I dont have any spare drives lying around
[15:50] <Kilos> lol
[15:50] <superfly> Kilos: I don't use Kubuntu anymore, I use KDE on Debian
[15:50] <Kilos> all the time superfly 
[15:50] <Kilos> you haqd both a while back
[15:50] <Kilos> afternoon superfly 
[15:51] <bushtech> hi superfly
[15:51] <superfly> yup, and when my new hard drive for my netbook arrived, I put Debian on it
[15:51] <superfly> hi bushtech
[15:51] <Kilos> ah
[15:55] <bushtech> Here's a free tip for anybody who has an old laptop battery lying around
[15:56] <Kilos> please
[15:56] <Kilos> mine only has 4% life
[15:56] <bushtech> don't throw it away, break it open and you have 6 or 7 batteries for your led torch 
[15:57] <Kilos> ah
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> i was hoping you had a fix
[15:58] <bushtech> yes I do. One of the batteries inside there has failed, open it. find out which are gone , buy replacement battery,, solder in and voila
[15:59] <bushtech> laptop battery fixed
[15:59] <Kilos> ill do that in aus
[15:59] <Kilos> will be cheaper
[16:00] <Kilos> complete battery for t410 is $450 there and R1500 here
[16:00] <bushtech> having been in electronics you'll manage
[16:00] <Kilos> i mean $45
[16:00] <bushtech> you'll be looking for a battery called 18650
[16:00] <Kilos> i want to price a soldering station there as well
[16:01] <Kilos> they are very pricey here
[16:01] <bushtech> yeah nothing cheap here
[16:02] <Kilos> mhy weller died
[16:02] <Kilos> lasted about 30 years
[16:02] <bushtech> must be fixable
[16:02] <Kilos> the element popped
[16:03] <Kilos> can only get a new pencil for R450
[16:03] <bushtech> is it on a station
[16:03] <bushtech> ?
[16:03] <Kilos> and thats no even genuine weller
[16:03] <Kilos> yes on a stand
[16:06] <bushtech> http://www.weller-toolsus.com/weller-ec234fe-heating-element.html?buy=1
[16:07] <Kilos> ty it will be cheaper to buy there and bring hom
[16:07] <Kilos> home
[16:07] <Kilos> wonderful stations
[16:08] <Kilos> Maaz 19.10*14
[16:08] <Maaz> Kilos: 267.4
[16:08] <Kilos> expensive here
[16:10] <Kilos> maybe i should stop fixing things and save for next flight rather
[16:10] <Kilos> hehe
[16:10] <Kilos> ah you still with access
[16:10] <Kilos> when you going to get cloaked
[16:10] <bushtech> yep, sadly SA businesses will go out of business if they dont compete
[16:11] <bushtech> cloaked?
[16:11] <Kilos> look at the nicks some show unaffiliated instead of ip addy
[16:11] <Kilos> thats cloaked
[16:12] <Kilos> does your  client show hosts
[16:12] <Kilos> wow you still got unstable connection
[16:12] <Kilos> fight that access guy
[16:12] <bushtech_> yeah, it has it's moments
[16:12] <Kilos> ive even forgotten who he was
[16:13] <Kilos> i think you frightened him
[16:13] <bushtech_> going to reboot router bbs
[16:13] <Kilos> havent seen him for a long time
[16:13] <Kilos> ok
[16:17] <Kilos> wb
[16:19] <bushtech> doesnt look as if it helped
[16:19] <Kilos> what
[16:20] <Kilos> oh rebooting router
[16:21] <bushtech> yep
[16:27] <paddatrapper> bushtech: seems there's a bug with Networkmanager in 16.04 that hasn't been fixed yet. Resuming from suspend requires you to toggle wifi before you can connect to a network
[16:28] <Kilos> ty paddatrapper 
[16:28] <paddatrapper> Anyone know how to roll back an apt upgrade? Actually need wifi to work on my laptop... 
[16:31] <Kilos> ouch
[16:38] <bushtech> thanks paddatrapper
[16:39] <bushtech> by suspend you mean the comouter goes to sleep?
[16:40] <paddatrapper> bushtech: yes. Like when you close the lid of a laptop 
[16:42] <bushtech> hmm, havent got a lappy with buntu but backupserver runs overnight for backups. if it disconnects backup fails
[16:48] <bushtech> paddatrapper: http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade
[16:48] <paddatrapper> bushtech: that's the one 
[16:49]  * paddatrapper is running Debian
[16:49] <Kilos> eeeek
[16:49] <bushtech> seems there is a solution there
[16:49] <Kilos> traitors in our midst
[16:49]  * Kilos hides
[16:49] <paddatrapper> Lol
[16:49]  * paddatrapper waves at Kilos
[16:49] <bushtech> shocking :)
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:50]  * paddatrapper dances a jig
[16:50] <Kilos> you following the fly paddatrapper 
[16:50] <paddatrapper> Which is actually quite scary considering my dancing.... 
[16:50] <Kilos> haha
[16:50] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yeah the guys at Debconf converted me
[16:50] <Kilos> flap flap
[16:50] <Kilos> last time you do help them
[16:51] <paddatrapper> superfly was the one who helped me with the install 
[16:51] <Kilos> you need help with the install
[16:51]  * Kilos sticks to kubuntu
[16:52] <paddatrapper> He had the image and answered the dumb questions I had. Like where I could find broadcom wifi drivers 
[16:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> hi CraigZim 
[18:07] <CraigZim> Hey Kilos how you doing?
[18:07] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[18:07] <Kilos> you dont often visit here
[18:07] <CraigZim> Good thanks
[18:08] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:09] <CraigZim> No, wanted to see what goes on down there
[18:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:09] <Kilos> everyone here is quiet today
[18:10] <CraigZim> trying to get ideas to spread the word here
[18:10] <Kilos> what word?
[18:10] <CraigZim> UBUNTU
[18:11] <Kilos> major work that 
[18:11] <Kilos> many people use it and never even know about irc
[18:13] <CraigZim> Id be happy converting a few to using linux for day to day use
[18:13] <Kilos> yeah
[18:13] <Kilos> try school kids
[18:14] <Kilos> if you find one thats tries it you will be surprised at how quick it spreads
[18:14] <Kilos> even varsity students
[18:15] <Kilos> businesses are difficult unless you can convince the IT guy
[18:15] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[18:16] <chesedo> Hi oom Kilos
[18:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <superfly> sup kulelu88
[19:27] <kulelu88> hey superfly . howzit?
[19:28] <superfly> yeah, not bad thanks. a little less frantic right now
[19:28] <superfly> still trying to get everything sold
[19:28] <superfly> Dog has a home, need to follow up on one cat's potential new home, and cat #3 still needs a home
[19:28] <kulelu88> yeah seems like a rush. less than 2 months until your family goes?
[19:29] <superfly> ya
[19:30] <superfly> they're actually sorted, I'm the one that still needs to be sorted out.
[19:30] <kulelu88> if you were going to execute a bash command within Python, without a pip install lib (like sh), what would you use from within Pythons internal tools?
[19:30] <superfly> subprocess probably
[19:30] <kulelu88> Perhaps you should try resigning soon? may help to be around to sort everything out 
[19:31] <superfly> from subprocess import check_output; check_output(['ls'])
[19:31] <superfly> yes, already chatted with my boss. I'm resigning effective 30 November, but we have a 2 month notice period which I'm not required to work out
[19:32] <superfly> So September 30 will be my last day.... *sigh* my mom's birthday
[19:33] <kulelu88> I'd be running a command like this: sudo find /path/from/folder/ -name *.php -exec sudo cp {} /path/to/folder\;
[19:34] <kulelu88> I'm sure you can leave any valuables you can't sell at your folks place? 
[19:44] <superfly> kulelu88: no, my dad doesn't want anything more. I've managed to persuade my brothers to take some things, and we've got friends and friends of friends buying stuff. we're also giving a lot away to charities.
[19:44] <superfly> only the absolute worst is going in the bin
[19:46] <kulelu88> recycling +100
[19:54] <kulelu88> you saw my bash command above? superfly 
[19:55] <superfly> kulelu88: yes. if you read the docs on subprocess, you'll see that you can easily achieve that
[19:55] <kulelu88> alright, I'll review that later, thanks
[19:55] <superfly> yw
[20:06] <jerit> this client's more stable than vanilla mirc