=== dkessel_ is now known as dkessel [06:47] poll started [08:00] bluesabre ochosi_ bug 1617705 [08:00] bug 1617705 in greybird-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) "Unstarted installation indicators show tiny amount of progress" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617705 [08:01] I checked ubuntu just to be sure ... [08:35] bluesabre: unfortunately, bug 1617711 also [08:35] bug 1617711 in greybird-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) "Resize screen hard to read" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617711 [08:49] hi flocculant ;) I'm also affected by this bug : Bug #1617705 [08:49] bug 1617705 in greybird-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) "Unstarted installation indicators show tiny amount of progress" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617705 [08:50] the others you've seen on iso.qa.ubuntu.com, I need to pay more attention to see them [08:52] nairwolf: morning :) [08:52] yes you will be affected - it's on the iso ;) [08:53] 2 of the 4 I listed today will be seen for anyone I think - the skip button ones [08:53] the other 2 are greybird related [08:53] yes, it was just to tell you, I add my name on the bug report. You know, where it asks if this bug affect you [08:54] aah ok :) [08:54] yep [09:26] bluesabre: re parole/clutter - not sure if I said previously, but bug 1462445 appears gone on yakkety [09:26] bug 1462445 in Clutter "Gtk applications start with blank screen (Clutter 1.22.4 and GtkClutter 1.6.2)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1462445 [09:36] flocculant, I think we disabled clutter again on xenial/yakkety [09:36] (seems so when I check) [09:37] bluesabre: yes - but I changed parole's prefs to clutter and restarted it [09:37] oh [09:37] nice :D [09:37] from what I can see - changelog was just a setting thing [09:38] flocculant, guessing you have parole from https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ? [09:39] yep [09:41] cool [09:41] thanks for checking that [09:41] I'd lost all hope in clutter :D [09:41] well - I'd looked previously I'm sure - couldn't remember telling you - obviously I didn't :p [09:43] bluesabre: I left a special comment on 1617711 for you to laugh at [09:44] :D [09:45] with my eyes and general "feeling old", I'm starting to think that being young means early 20s and below [09:45] ha ha ha [09:46] it's all in the mind - till things stop working as well as they did :p [09:46] :) [11:12] flocculant, poll says simon davis === knome_ is now known as knome [11:12] flocculant, not SEAN davis [11:12] flocculant, do we want to scracth and start from beginning, or just go ahead anyway? [11:13] bluesabre, since you're the subject of the question... ^ [11:53] oh boo - copy paste fail [11:54] leave it up to bluesabre - lp is right though [11:54] knew I should have just used nicks ... [11:57] edited poll description re that [16:30] pleia2, hullo [16:31] o/ knome [16:31] got stuck replying to a mailing list thread :) [16:31] :) [16:31] i used 10 minutes to write up some thoughts i want to go through.... [16:31] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-marketing-august-2016 [16:32] cool, looking [16:36] doh, I just realized that the new thread was continuing on the one I replied to just now... [16:36] should have read all before blabbering :) [16:36] sure, wfm [16:36] oh [16:36] heh [16:36] nvm... [16:38] so tell me when and where do you want to start... [16:38] * pleia2 shakes her head at using distrowatch as an accurate evaluation of install base [16:38] lol [16:38] well [16:38] there is no accurate evaluation anywhere [16:38] so in a way distrowatch is just as good as amount of twitter followers [16:39] granted, neither of them is a good evaluation [16:39] it's worse than twitter, I never go to distrowatch, it's for people who switch distros a lot [16:39] * knome shrugs [16:39] anyway [16:39] i really don't care... [16:39] :) [16:39] these threads didn't go where I wanted them to [16:40] maybe we should work to more clearly define what the marketing team is for [16:40] and what we mean with "marketing" [16:40] yeah [16:40] or maybe change the team name [16:40] perhaps [16:40] otoh, there are many types of marketing [16:41] the person on the thread tended to think that always implies active outreach and a goal to get more users [16:41] which is one of the potential goals [16:41] but not necessarily the one we are pursuing [16:41] agreed [16:41] but this goes beyond the marketing team too... maybe the team should discuss why they are working for xubuntu [16:42] if most of us say we do it because we want as many people to use xubuntu (specifically), then maybe we should reconsider our marketing as well [16:42] and the way we decide about defaults etc. [16:42] it's also about building a community, being excited about what other people are doing, making clear that we're not just messing around here, it's a serious operating system being used for real things [16:42] indeed [16:43] so far, i've sensed the ideology behind xubuntu is more like "let's do something we believe in and people will come to us" rather than actively seeking new users from all kinds of caves [16:43] yeah [16:43] that doesn't mean that we are doing decisions for ourselves only though [16:43] I want to do marketing because if people want the information, they have it and can join us, but I won't convert the world [16:43] if we were, i'm pretty sure we would have synaptic installed by default... [16:45] no gui at all! [16:45] haha [16:45] okay [16:45] for package installing, I mean [16:45] so shall we go to the pad [16:45] I like pictures [16:45] yes [16:46] #lovexubuntu first then [16:46] I'd like to start with the last item [16:46] – Action: Repost stuff [16:46] sure [16:46] my proposal is to create a spot on the wiki to put these stories [16:46] okay [16:46] without moderation? [16:47] then do another push on social media about submitting them, with real examples [16:47] right [16:47] well, we put them on the wiki [16:47] what about a blog article instead? [16:47] blog could be in addition to [16:47] maybe highlighting a couple stories a week [16:48] well, we'd better get up to speed in receiving the stories then [16:48] I don't know exactly how many we have, 6 or so? [16:48] the reason i'm pointing to blog is because we can make it look much better much easier [16:48] and it's also aggregated to planet ubuntu [16:48] so it gets all that fuzz going (maybe) [16:48] wiki is kind of... i don't know, hidden-ish [16:49] so here's what I'm thinking: 1) copy all current ones to the wiki 2) each week, blog about 2 of them and ask for more 3) social media these things [16:49] what's the main point of 1) [16:49] the wiki is mostly contributor-facing outlet by our definition, so we don't want to point users there [16:49] organizing them for when we select winners [16:49] helps my brain [16:49] okay, that's a good argument [16:49] sure, we can do that [16:49] do we want it in public or private? [16:50] no harm in making them public [16:50] ok [16:50] but I do think it would be for us/team [16:50] you're right, blog is user facing [16:50] well, we have the team area on wiki if we want to make them private [16:50] and it's very easy to publish them later [16:50] yeah, I don't think that's needed [16:50] no reason to hide them [16:50] oki oki [16:50] do you want to take that action item? [16:50] sure [16:51] we could prepare some of the blog articles, and we can even schedule them [16:51] yeah, sounds good [16:52] also, I think we end the competition at the end of September [16:52] ok [16:52] ^^ but maybe leave that for after going through the other stuff [16:52] yeah [16:52] not particularly my bag but "but this goes beyond the marketing team too... maybe the team should discuss why they are working for xubuntu" makes some sense to me [16:53] * flocculant wanders off again [16:53] it might be nice to see some team profiles that ask that question [16:53] but now I'm getting distracted [16:53] * pleia2 refocus on etherpad [16:54] let's get back to that later... [16:54] because there might be something touching that [16:54] * pleia2 nods [16:54] oh my [16:54] the flyer is in some "state" too [16:54] "_new" files here [16:54] this whole topic is like "OH GOD OH GOD" [16:55] ;) [16:55] i think that might be some cleanup [16:55] * pleia2 hugs the poor flyer [16:55] yeah [16:55] ugh. [16:55] ok, i'll grin my teeth and fix that TOO today [16:56] thanks :\ [16:56] ok, too small page padding [16:56] ...in the "new" version [16:56] anyway [16:56] what do we do with the content? [16:56] ? [16:56] nvm, graphic issues, i'll sort it out... [16:57] ok [16:57] so re: translations, even if that is the last item [16:57] I'll make it a priority to start reviewing content for updates once you're ready [16:57] we have a Makefile [16:57] you can review content already [16:57] alright [16:57] i'm only touching the graphic side [16:57] so the Makefile makes .pot [16:57] and that could be used by Launchpad to create .po [16:57] and those could be used to make translated versions of the flyer [16:57] I'll create bugs when I find issues so I can keep track of them like a grown up [16:58] ...except that we still need to manually make sure the flow is ok [16:58] yeah, that can be tricky [16:58] i remember looking at making that work with scribus [16:58] ...and i probably stills hould [16:59] that might make the work on the content being okay easier [16:59] have you built these lately? [16:59] no [16:59] me neither [16:59] but the content hasn't changed lately [16:59] so we're okay [16:59] probably should do on xenial [16:59] still, tooling versions changed [16:59] yeah [16:59] pdftk and stuff [17:00] builds okay on 16.04 [17:00] and uses the "new" style [17:00] so huh, i can probably get on with less work [17:00] :) [17:00] * knome checks state of launchpad [17:01] less work is my favorite kind of work [17:01] oh, ok [17:01] no "new" stuff on launchpad [17:01] hooray [17:01] phew [17:01] that means more work though [17:01] :D [17:01] anyway [17:02] well, you should just be able to merge your local changes, right? [17:02] the problem that we might have with scribus is automated process [17:02] yeah :\ [17:02] yes, but the fact that i have two sets of files that aren't pushed to the main branch might mean it's WIP and not pushed for that reason [17:02] * pleia2 nods [17:02] so i need to check that [17:02] and that might take a while [17:02] but it's ok, i'll just do it anyway [17:02] ty <3 [17:02] but the content [17:03] we have libreoffice already [17:03] but we also have a few bugs [17:03] screenshots should be updated for Xenial [17:03] that's fine, we have them on website so i can snatch from there [17:04] and I might want to adjust some wording here and there now that I have a base to work on and some fresh eyeballs [17:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-marketing/+bug/1501113 [17:04] like the description on the front page is too much [17:04] Launchpad bug 1501113 in Xubuntu marketing materials "Wily flyer problems" [Undecided,New] [17:04] you might want to take a look at that then... [17:04] yeah, I just looked at bugs a bit ago [17:04] okay, apparently there is a way to convert .sla (scribus) to .pdf from command line [17:04] neat [17:05] but then there's the translation automation [17:05] I know nothing about that :( [17:05] me neither [17:05] but my friend google might [17:05] hehe [17:06] ok, so i'll look at all that [17:06] i don't even mind what format the updated content is in [17:06] i'll figure out how i want to do the new version [17:07] do we think those small facelift items are enough at this point? [17:07] I think so [17:07] okay [17:07] seems to be a pretty solid flyer still overall [17:07] yep, it's pretty good [17:08] translated versions would be nice [17:08] so onto the website [17:08] yeah [17:08] the first three items under visual/feature updates are fine, i'll do them, but do we have other things to fix/update [17:10] ok [17:10] well i guess the search bit is a question [17:10] but i'll make sure we can enable that if we want [17:10] sounds good to me [17:10] * pleia2 looks at the feature tour [17:11] so we should update those inline screenshots to be a pair from our current wallpaper selection [17:11] update references to 14.04 [17:12] I think it's ok otherwise really, it's still pretty and stuff [17:12] okay [17:12] (meh.) [17:12] doesn't look like scribus really supports translating documents [17:12] or it's very hidden [17:12] bummer [17:12] well you can import stuff from .txt file [17:13] but that's not *really* what we are looking for [17:13] so one idea for you when reconsidering the flyer [17:13] if you didn't finish that already :P [17:13] didn't [17:13] we might want to drop some of the small-text portions to make the available space and layout more predictable for translations [17:13] even if that meant more whitespace [17:14] ok, consider it considered :) [17:14] also, i might do something as crazy as using only one file for outputting to both USletter/A4, so potentially more padding [17:15] not sure if that's possible though [17:15] but i'd really want to move to one source file (per page) only [17:15] * pleia2 nods [17:16] or maybe per flyer [17:16] :P [17:16] letter/a4? [17:16] I mean, are those each of the flyers you're talking about? [17:16] yeah [17:16] well [17:16] actually, i'm imagining something like [17:17] only keep one file as a REAL source [17:17] so A4 on one svg, with both pages laid there [17:17] then have another template file for letter, and put the text there with some method [17:17] currently text changes need to be made to both separately [17:18] which is the thing i want to avoid the most [17:18] and with that, putting in translations would be 50% of the work it is now [17:18] as long as we still have clear instructions (or Makefile) as to how to generate each, I'm fine [17:18] yes yes, the Makefile would take care of that [17:18] good [17:18] because if the work would be manual, then it would be just as good as two source files [17:19] right [17:19] (or as bad really) [17:19] and I'd never want to look at it because ugh, forgot how to do ;) [17:19] the thing why i'd like scribus is better text flow and column management [17:19] on scribus, you can actually add a special character that tells scribus to go to the next column [17:19] so you don't have to worry about flowing too much content somewhere [17:20] but... [17:20] let's get moving [17:20] what about "about xubuntu"? [17:20] website? [17:20] yep [17:20] it's been a bit abandoned as long as i remember [17:20] * pleia2 looks [17:20] eg. from 2008 [17:21] oh yes, that is a very boring page :( [17:21] * pleia2 reads [17:21] indeed! [17:21] the first section has been pretty much the same for 8 years [17:21] as a first step, content seems solid, but making it pretty like the tour would be nice [17:21] we could potentially replace it with one link to the ubuntu philosophy [17:22] and i actually think we could move some of the content from the flyer here [17:22] agreed [17:22] like, mention xfce [17:22] heh, right [17:22] also [17:22] http://docs.xubuntu.org/1604/user/C/what-is-xubuntu.html [17:22] I suppose "Xubuntu is a community developed, GNU/Linux based Free/Open Source operating system" is a bit blah blah blah to mortals [17:22] yes [17:23] so is most of the first section [17:23] * pleia2 nods [17:23] we need some more non-nerd people on this team [17:23] so as i said, we could just add a link to the ubuntu philosophy [17:23] and fix that section with that [17:23] can we fix this page right now? [17:23] i'll take the edit lock. [17:23] sure [17:23] so sec [17:24] and we'll obviously do the changes live, as all professional website admisn [17:24] I'd like to grab the short intro from our what-is-xubuntu.html docs, [17:24] to replace the first sentence [17:24] btw, side-stepping, but ugh [17:24] delete the second sentence and put the Ubuntu philosophy link under Ideals behind... [17:24] wordpress now supports "native fonts", making the interface look more "native" [17:25] non-innovation [17:25] eg. it forces the ubuntu font everywhere [17:25] heh [17:25] i so need to overwrite this with a stylish script [17:25] ugh ugh ugh [17:26] link to ubuntu wiki [17:27] :\ [17:27] yeah [17:27] strat doc [17:28] xubuntu is a what to ubuntu [17:28] not subteam [17:28] flavor of [17:28] part of the broader ubuntu community? [17:28] eh. [17:28] As a part of the broader Ubuntun community, the Xubuntu community is built around the ideals enshrined in the Ubuntu Philosophy. [17:28] -n [17:28] or something else? [17:28] that's good :) [17:29] so let me read what you said before [17:30] ok, first update done [17:30] much better [17:31] actually, I think this is plenty, just add pretty colors [17:31] a la tour ;) [17:31] haha [17:31] oh my [17:31] we need something [17:31] which is [17:32] docs.xubuntu.org/current/ [17:32] which is a symlink [17:32] see where i'm going here? [17:32] ah, good idea [17:32] just need to remember to update it [17:32] i'll just expect that it exists [17:32] I can make it [17:32] thanks [17:33] oh wow [17:33] nice feature in wordpress [17:33] select some text [17:33] and paste an url [17:33] it becomes a link [17:33] not fail the content [17:33] i accidentally did that... [17:34] k, haz /current [17:34] better? [17:35] yes :) [17:35] or do we want some color-color? [17:35] maybe some color [17:35] white -> generic [17:35] green -> new/fresh [17:35] red -> important/warning [17:35] blue -> sth [17:35] pink -> community(?) [17:36] I like heading of green, then blue in ideals [17:36] the blue one says "Highlight: Blue c" which looks like i've just saved and forgot to write the rest there. [17:37] heh [17:38] ok, done [17:38] I like it :D [17:38] good [17:38] what's next [17:38] ok, the press page [17:39] I think it's fine [17:39] I mean [17:39] do need to add some 16.04 articles :) [17:39] and fix my name (Elizabeth K. Joseph) [17:39] I can add the articles today [17:39] ok, but the problem isn't that you need more help with it? [17:40] name fixed [17:40] and added simon's blog [17:40] and made the list ordered by last name [17:40] I probably just need to make it a priority, i was nice when folks were giving me links though [17:40] yep [17:40] were you subbed to some google news alert? [17:41] yeah, still am [17:41] oh my [17:41] just have had a lot of my plate, things are better now [17:41] slightly [17:41] there's something i figured i should do [17:41] from a release taxonomy term (eg. a single release), make it possible to link to the press area [17:42] hm? [17:42] in http://xubuntu.org/news/release/14-04/, add a link to the appropriate place in the press area [17:43] or what better, link the press stuff directly to the releases [17:43] which is really what we should do [17:43] ah [17:43] isn't that just an autogenerated thing from articles? [17:43] yes and no [17:43]