[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> any archive admin to remove fcl/armhf pretty please? this will make kido and tinyxml2 transitions end
[13:51] <LocutusOfBorg> already removed in debian
[17:39] <bdmurray> tjaalton: In your blog post at https://tjaalton.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/no-catalystfglrx-video-driver-in-ubuntu-16-04/ you mention HWE stack and 14.04.  Was it discussed with AMD?
[17:40] <tjaalton> bdmurray: yep
[17:41] <bdmurray> tjaalton: What was / is the plan?
[17:42] <tjaalton> plan of what? there is amdgpu-pro -driver (beta) which folks are free to try. it's not in the archive because the packaging is not open source yet aiui
[17:42] <bdmurray> tjaalton: Currently people with fglrx installed are encountering failures when trying to upgrade to lts-xenial e.g. https://paste.ubuntu.com/23095154/
[17:43] <tjaalton> well it certainly should just remove fglrx
[17:43] <bdmurray> tjaalton: what about "users relying on pro/workstation class features"?
[17:44] <tjaalton> they are either screwed or have to download the "pro" driver manually..
[17:44] <tjaalton> this is all in the release notes
[17:44] <tjaalton> written by alberto I think
[17:47] <bdmurray> slangasek: Do you have an opinion on just removing fglrx for 14.04 users?
[17:47] <slangasek> bdmurray: if they're on the HWE stack, I think that's the right answer
[17:48] <slangasek> maybe with an added warning in the hwe-support output?
[17:48] <bdmurray> slangasek: I was looking through forums or askubuntu and one user was surprised they were on the HWE stack - they had downloaded and installed 14.04.2 or so and didn't know the implications of that.
[17:49] <tjaalton> yeah one option is to fall back on 14.04.1
[17:49] <bdmurray> slangasek: So they'd made no concious choice to be using the HWE stack.
[17:49] <slangasek> sure
[17:49] <slangasek> but I don't think we want update-manager to give them options "upgrade stack or downgrade?"
[17:50] <slangasek> we can add some messaging about how to get onto the trusty stack if that's what they need to be using
[17:50] <slangasek> (maybe just in the wiki page)
[17:52] <bdmurray> slangasek: Okay, so add a warning to hwe-support-status re fglrx tell them to really read the wiki, update the wiki, and upload xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial w/ breaks on fglrx, fglrx-core, fglrx-updates, and fglrx-updates-core.
[17:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes, +1 from me for that
[17:54] <tjaalton> additional breaks?
[17:55] <slangasek> tjaalton: the breaks are needed in order for the resolver to reach the correct solution of removing fglrx, instead of bailing
[17:55] <bdmurray> tjaalton: additional? I don't see any for -lts-xenial and fglrx
[17:55] <tjaalton> okay then
[17:55] <tjaalton> bdmurray: it doesn't provide the driver abi which xserver needs
[17:55] <tjaalton> that alone should make it uninstall
[17:56] <tjaalton> which has worked fine so far for other drivers at least..
[17:56] <slangasek> that's a nice theory ;)
[17:56] <bdmurray> tjaalton: well, it didn't - https://paste.ubuntu.com/23095154/
[17:56] <tjaalton> I saw that
[17:56] <slangasek> it works for the other drivers because there's a newer version that can replace them
[17:57] <tjaalton> no I mean if a driver wasn't rebuilt
[17:57] <slangasek> ok
[17:57] <tjaalton> it'd remove the driver and -all
[17:57] <slangasek> but the other piece is that fglrx has reverse-dependencies
[17:57] <tjaalton> been hit by that a few times..
[17:57] <slangasek> that permutes the weights apt assigns for removal
[17:57] <tjaalton> yeah that's probably it then