[00:11] <apb1963_> sarnold: still having problems here.   Trying to install wine and it keeps barfing.  Let me know when you wake up and if you're willing..  here are the details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23105248/  Thank you
[00:16] <RoyK> wine on a server?
[00:31] <sarnold> apb1963_: hrm, no ideas there. What does ./debug.sh do? where did you get the wine1.8-i386 package, I can't find it on launchpad
[00:38] <apb1963_> sarnold: debug.sh varies according to what I'm doing.  Right now it's "sudo aptitude --full-resolver -f install $1"
[00:38] <apb1963_> sarnold: or at least, that's what produced that output.
[00:40] <apb1963_> sarnold: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[00:40] <sarnold> apb1963_: ah. i never understood aptitude
[00:40] <apb1963_> me neither... I just collect random bits & pieces as I find them.
[00:41] <sarnold> apb1963_: you may need to ask scott and maarten for help, they may be more familiar with whatever it is that's going on
[00:42] <apb1963_> This too.  https://launchpad.net/~wine/+archive/ubuntu/wine-builds/
[00:42] <apb1963_> sarnold: maybe...  but vlc has somewhat similar problems
[00:44] <apb1963_> sarnold: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23105349/
[00:46] <sarnold> apb1963_: what does apt-cache policy vlc show?
[00:47] <apb1963_> apt-cache policy vlc
[00:47] <apb1963_> N: Unable to locate package vlc
[00:48] <apb1963_> sarnold: ^^^^^ Not in standard repos????
[00:48] <sarnold> apb1963_: do you have 'universe' enabled in your apt sources.list files?
[00:48] <apb1963_> no, not right now
[00:49] <apb1963_> I try to keep it disabled unless I need something specific.  Is that where vlc is?
[00:49] <sarnold> yes
[00:50] <apb1963_> sarnold: well that certainly made a huge difference.  lol
[00:52] <apb1963_> sarnold: that worked nicely thank you.  so... wine1.6 is in the standard repos?
[00:53] <sarnold> yes
[01:01] <apb1963_> sarnold: ok, I've purged the wine ppa and am reinstalling wine.  Seems to be working ok so far.  It's irritating because the first thing that pops up when you're looking for ubuntu wine is those ppa's I showed you... so yeah...  Been ripping my hair out all day over this.  As usual, in a few sentences you bring help& clarifty to the table without even trying.
[01:02] <apb1963_> s/clarifty/clarity/
[01:03] <apb1963_> so thank you for that!
[01:03] <sarnold> apb1963_: much better? :) woo
[01:03] <apb1963_> 3 minutes with you and a full days work could h ave been avoided.
[01:03] <sarnold> granted, it may be an older wine than the one you'd have otherwise
[01:04] <apb1963_> Well, #ubuntu support people are quite anal about things outside the acceptable repo list.
[01:04] <apb1963_> And get really nasty when you admit that you need a program that's not supplied... or updated sufficiently.
[01:05] <apb1963_> And therefore install a ppa.
[01:05] <sarnold> aye
[01:05] <sarnold> the trouble with ppas is that you must trust the authors of it completely
[01:05] <apb1963_> you mean like the wine repos?  vlc?  Things like that?  I think I can take a risk on those.
[01:06] <apb1963_> And that's what's so irritating about them.  Everybody uses that stuff but it's "unsupported".
[01:06] <sarnold> well, they are only as supported as the ppa authors choose :)
[01:07] <dcosnet> people complaining about support in an open source community makes me laugh. i am laughing for real.
[01:07] <apb1963_> I mean unsupported by #ubuntu
[01:09] <dcosnet> why would it be. go upstream with your questions/complaints/bug reports/patches
[01:09] <dcosnet> ...
[01:09] <apb1963_> dcosnet: You came late.  You missed the point.  I spent all day trying to resolve something that #ubuntu gave me grief over.  sarnold, gentleman that he is, gave me 2 minutes of his time today and resolved the issue.
[01:09] <dcosnet> well thats nice of him. congrads.
[01:10] <apb1963_> 12 freaking hours just today.
[01:10]  * sarnold bows
[01:10] <OerHeks> apb1963_, how valse ....
[01:10] <sarnold> funny thing of course is that I gave more or less the same end advice they did -- to use the package from the main archive :)
[01:10] <sarnold> s/main//
[01:10] <dcosnet> s//sigh/
[01:10] <apb1963_> That's true.. but you didn't make me feel like a leper
[01:11] <OerHeks> we have been telling him to properly remove ppaś .. at least apb1963_ was cooperative with information, but couldn't get it done.
[01:11] <OerHeks> moste people hide ppa's from support.
[01:11]  * dcosnet woosh
[01:11] <sarnold> OerHeks: hah, that's the quickest way to make no progress
[01:12] <dcosnet> well there goes my chances for a golden egg... ^
[01:12] <dcosnet> damnit.
[01:12] <apb1963_> OerHeks: Because 1. After I removed it, it couldn't find wine at all.  So I put it back.  And after spending much time googling, I was unable to find any reference to wine other than the two ppa's I was using.  2.  People don't talk abou their ppa's because someone always "piles on" with WE DONT SUPPORT THAT!  REINSTALL!
[01:12] <dcosnet> o good.
[01:13] <apb1963_> Now, why it was unable to find it before and why it found it this time around is a mystery.
[01:13]  * dcosnet hovers over magicalChicken waiting for a golden egg.
[01:13] <dcosnet> wtf is a ppa
[01:14] <dcosnet> some sort of ale?
[01:14] <apb1963_> dcosnet: nobody really knows.  It's best you not think about it.
[01:14] <dcosnet> o ok.
[01:14] <apb1963_> dcosnet: ale would make a good substitute though.
[01:15] <dcosnet> just assume no deviation from task goals. get more ale.
[01:15] <apb1963_> well, it downloaded, installed... haven't tried running it but there are no errors.
[01:15] <apb1963_> things are looking up
[01:16]  * dcosnet still doesnt know much about whats going on. continues hovering.
[01:16] <apb1963_> sarnold: I've decided to install asterisk on a different machine entirely.  It's not much of a machine but for my needs it should be sufficient.
[01:19] <sarnold> apb1963_: it probably doesn't take much...
[01:20] <apb1963_> sarnold: depends on what you're doing... if you're supporting 1000 phone devices... it takes more than just the one or two I have.
[01:20] <sarnold> apb1963_: ha :) true
[01:22] <dcosnet> i got some sun today
[01:23] <dcosnet> walking around with a metal detector
[01:23] <dcosnet> found nothing usefull
[01:23] <apb1963_> What's truly aggravating is I lost my phone number because google made a tiny little change to their service... and so a corresponding change needs to be made in the asterisk sources in order to continue using google; changing a 2 to a 23 and recompiling.  And that has led to this grand adventure of misery and insanity that could only be brought about by open source authors that supply "contributed scripts' that they don't support... but
[01:23] <apb1963_> tell you to use, and yet haven't been tested nor any clear indication given as to what version it might work with.
[01:24] <dcosnet> not that i want to promote a random corporate product, but i'm happy with my ooma device. works with google voice just fine.
[01:25] <apb1963_> When did you get it?
[01:25] <dcosnet> eh, month ago
[01:25] <apb1963_> sounds about right
[01:25] <dcosnet> aestricks gives me a headache
[01:25] <apb1963_> GV made the change something like 2 months ago... so if ooma was on the ball... they made their changes and all is well.
[01:26] <apb1963_> It was a change in how they authenticate
[01:26] <dcosnet> ah
[01:26] <apb1963_> ssl version 2 vs version 2.3
[01:26] <dcosnet> figures
[01:26] <apb1963_> And nobody in #asterisk had any idea what the problem was
[01:26] <apb1963_> Nor did they care, because they look down on GV and people that  use it.
[01:27] <apb1963_> But I found a post... and that post is what I'm working on testing to see if it works as stated.
[01:27] <apb1963_> asterisk is not for the faint of heart... I spent over 6 months learning it.
[01:27] <dcosnet> yea
[01:27] <apb1963_> and I only know enough to setup a small system such as my own.
[01:28] <dcosnet> yea, i feel the same way about bind as well
[01:28] <apb1963_> ha!
[01:28] <apb1963_> Yep.. bind, sendmail...
[01:28] <apb1963_> all fun stuff that took lots of time to learn
[01:28] <dcosnet> to much
[01:29] <apb1963_> Not to mention the purchase of books to facilitate it.
[01:29] <dcosnet> openvpn has my head spinning a bit too
[01:29] <apb1963_> Yeah that took a bit to hash out as well
[01:29] <dcosnet> developers: how can we make this as painfull as possible.
[01:29] <apb1963_> I'll have to do it again since I didn't have a permanent way to test it.
[01:30] <apb1963_> haha no doubt
[01:30] <apb1963_> Still... these are huge, major programs.. they do a lot.  You can't expect power to be simple.
[01:31] <dcosnet> in other news. i am very mad at the computer hardware industry for not putting pci-passthrough support (iommu) on all expensive motherboards
[01:31] <apb1963_> complain in ##hardware
[01:32]  * dcosnet needs to find another 2011-v3 mobo quick
[01:32] <dcosnet> yea
[01:32] <dcosnet> no point.
[01:32] <apb1963_> :)
[01:33] <dcosnet> its basically porking me on a recent job though
[01:33] <dcosnet> should have put slightly more research into the mobo first
[01:34] <dcosnet> anyway
[01:35] <dcosnet> now, about that golden egg.
[02:34] <apb1963_> sarnold: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/12/install-wine-1-8-stable-new-ppa/
[02:35] <sarnold> apb1963_: that's the usual tension between what's "upstream" vs what's packaged
[02:37] <apb1963_> yeah... but if you want 1.8, that's your ticket.
[02:38] <k2gremlin> Hello all. Been a while since I have used GNS3 but I now see the "VMWare" options in the preferences. Are we able to pull in ESXi VMs now???
[02:38] <apb1963_> sarnold: You had asked me about where I found it earlier so that was one extra link I forgot to give you earlier.
[02:38] <sarnold> apb1963_: aha
[02:40] <k2gremlin> Sorry about that last message. Was meant for the GNS3 channel >.<
[02:41] <sarnold> apb1963_: there's also this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine-development
[02:44] <apb1963_> ok.. I don't need latest and greatest wine I don't think... in fact, I barely use it.  My machine is too underpowered.
[04:58] <LUMIA930> -bash: /usr/local/bin/bundle: /usr/bin/ruby1.8: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[04:59] <LUMIA930> <sudo ruby-install ruby 2.2.3> i have done this
[04:59] <LUMIA930> but still am getting this
[05:00] <sarnold> LUMIA930: compare the output of "file" on your ruby interpreter against the output of `uname -a`
[05:00] <sarnold> LUMIA930: it feels a bit like architecture mismatch
[05:00] <LUMIA930> •Ruby-install will leave everything in /opt/rubies/ruby-2.2.3/bin.
[05:00] <LUMIA930> but when i run this : RAILS_ENV=development bundle install
[05:01] <LUMIA930> its pointing to the : -bash: /usr/local/bin/bundle: /usr/bin/ruby1.8: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[05:29] <LUMIA930> sarnold : how to point that ruby ?
[06:42] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/817572/openstack-fails-to-install-caused-by-juju
[13:18] <MelRay> Hey everyone I've never installed server before 16.04. I assumed there would be no xorg or xfce like xubuntu. I found out this was not correct. I have an issue though and that is that when I run startx it starts to fire up everything then halts with an error. Is this a known problem?
[13:21] <PCdude> MelRay:  I am not totally getting ur problem, but by default there is no desktop environment installed on the server version of ubuntu 16.04. if u wanna install a desktop environment look at the following link
[13:21] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2093/how-to-install-gui-desktop-on-a-server#2096
[13:22] <MelRay> PCdude: Thanks but I realized I executed startx without sudo in front of it. It does have it here and I didn't use apt-get to install it :-)
[13:22] <PCdude> ah ok, enjoy ur install :)
[13:23] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: the last day for non-client library releases was 8/25 so our next refresh of non-client libraries for openstack should be our last for newton
[13:31] <ddellav> codedmart ok
[13:31] <ddellav> errr coreycb
[13:32] <coreycb> ddellav, of course there will probably be feature freeze exceptions, so I should say "mostly"
[14:56] <cpaelzer> jamespage: does our openstack do anything about selecting a special machine type like pc_i440fx_2_4 or ubuntu-<release> or does it just take the default that qemu has unless the userspecifies something on his own?
[16:31] <Tahvok> Hey guys!
[16:31] <Tahvok> I'm reading about this:
[16:31] <Tahvok> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL
[16:31] <Tahvok> I'm trying to understand why can't I just downgrade to kernel 3.13?
[16:51] <sarnold> Tahvok: you may be able to, if your hardware would work with it; there's a general rule that package upgrades should work, downgrades may or may not work, because package maintainers may have to make one-way transitions in the package scripts
[16:51] <sarnold> Tahvok: so, you can try an old kernel, but if you run into trouble, well,... "that can happen, yes"
[16:53] <Tahvok> sarnold: from the hardware side, it will work for sure - it's a vm. I'm more concerned of the package downgrade scripts... How can I downgrade? I'll create a snapshot first.
[16:58] <sarnold> Tahvok: I think it'd be along the lines of "apt-get install linux-generic=3.13.0-95.142"
[16:59] <sarnold> Tahvok: then once you're content with it, you could apt-get purge the linux-generic-lts-* package and whatever packages that package brought in
[17:56] <Tahvok> sarnold: The downgrade process went well. Thanks a lot!
[17:56] <sarnold> Tahvok: nice :)
[17:57] <sarnold> Tahvok: pay attention to it for a bit to make sure you get the security updates that are coming in a few days
[17:57] <Tahvok> Yeah, of course. Thanks!
[17:59] <sbeattie> you will want the linux-image-generic (and maybe the linux-headers-generic) metapackage to keep up with updates as they are applied to the 3.13 kernels.
[18:00] <sbeattie> Tahvok: ^
[18:01] <blizzow> I have two drives with an mdadm raid 1 partition on them.  They have LVM on top of the raid device and in that LVM, I have my root partition.  I just tried to do a dist-upgrade and am getting errors saying:
[18:01] <blizzow> grub-probe: error: disk `lvmid/{REDACTEDUUID}' not found.
[18:02] <blizzow> Anyone know how I can get grub installing my kernel and updating my bootloader?
[18:13] <RoyK> blizzow: never seen that error, and I'm managing servers with root on md/lvm
[18:20] <blizzow> The worst part is I have no idea if it's safe to reboot my server and it's far away.
[18:53] <Walex> blizzow: 'update-grub2'
[19:04] <blizzow> Walex: that's the problem.  It says: "grub-probe: error: disk `lvmid/{REDACTEDUUID}' not found."
[19:43] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: congratulations :)
[19:46] <kgirthofer> why is my screen session only in b&w
[19:46] <kgirthofer> well just the prompt - ls and vim and what ever are in the right colors
[19:47] <zioproto> Hello. Wow is full of people here. I am looking for Corey or James, anyone is around ?
[19:54] <halvors> Hi. Anyone know it it's possible to setup 2 redundant servers using KEA dhcp server?
[19:54] <hallyn> hm, i was dropping by to congratulate nacc but don't see him here.
[19:54] <hallyn> Odd_Bloke: congrats :)
[19:54] <sarnold> hallyn: very odd indeed isn't it? :)
[19:55] <sarnold> he's -always- here..
[19:55] <hallyn> he's out drinking to celebrate
[19:56] <teward> nacc is hiding in /dev/null 'cause I have a flurry of PHP evils to send his way
[19:56] <teward> :P
[19:57] <hallyn> i don't blame him
[20:05] <SupaYoshi> when running more than one website, is it advised to run both php-fqm and the actual website under different users for each website?
[20:11] <SupaYoshi> and i do everything through console, right now I see this as a pretty big investment in security but the setup time is quite long.. Is there anyone
[21:01] <rabbitdew> I'm having some issues getting an ubuntu server online. The other servers around it are good, it may be a link level issue, so I want to use lldpad. The only repo I have is the livecd
[21:01] <rabbitdew> Why wouldn't that be included there?! Is there something similar I could use?
[21:05] <rabbitdew> If I want to try using the other NIC, is there anything else I need to do then change /etc/network/interfaces and reboot
[21:06] <rabbitdew> I noticed the first one sends and receives packets, but doesn't seem to be acknowledged by the network. When I just change that file and reboot tcpdump doesn't show me anything
[21:07] <rabbitdew> ***change /etc/network/interfaces to the name (p2p2) of the other nic
[21:17] <rabbitdew> Actually, better question: If I want to switch the NIC that is configured to another NIC; do I have to do anything more than switch the name of that interface at /etc/network/interfaces
[21:17] <rabbitdew> ...and reboot (#service networking restart fails, as does # ifdown)
[21:32] <tomreyn> rabbitdew: if you have OOB access, you would "service networking stop", reconfigure the interface, "service netrworking start"
[21:32] <tomreyn> ...or just reboot after editing it
[21:34] <tomreyn> if you want to show the interfaces file you have there (you can replace / redact the numbers) i could try to double check on the formatting etc. if you like
[21:35] <rabbitdew> tomreyn: for sure. So my p2p1 was showing a lot of tx/rx packets but couldn't get on my network. I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces and replacing those values with p2p2, and rebooting
[21:38] <rabbitdew> That should be all it takes
[21:39] <rabbitdew> I just wanted to confirm I'm not missing some step
[21:39] <rabbitdew> tomreyn: cheers
[21:40] <tomreyn> welcome
[21:41] <tomreyn> obviously this would only make sense if you have both p2p1 and p2p2
[21:50] <mdunn> Hey guys, I have a question about systemd and sysv.
[21:51] <mdunn> I'm running Xenial, and I'm not sure if sysv runs by default, or it's just systemd wrapping up init.d scripts and doing magic.
[21:52] <mdunn> So if I run "update-rd.c app remove", is there a potential that apt will re-install the init.d script and run that init.d instead of systemd on a box reboot?
[22:05] <JanC> Xenial uses systemd, which has some sysvinit compatibility features
[22:13] <RoyK> mdunn: systemctl stop $service ; systemctl disable $service
[22:27] <mdunn> Thanks!